ATTENTION POSTERS

There are way too many personal attacks, foul language and abusive posts going on here. 

Read the sticky above.  Also read that it is NOT saying to write whatever you want on here. 

We're getting loaded with report after report after report to delete messages from this board. 

Back off and take it easy on people.  Absolutely NO MORE personal attacks.  You don't have to like a candidate, but that doesn't make the poster who does any less of person nor do they deserve to be attacked or belittled or called names. 

The same is true for those that are reporting absolutely every little thing on here.  Read the sticky.  Beware of flaming in these posts.  If you are too sensitive to be on a political board, then please don't read the posts. 

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here about the liberal issues, the more we have, the more the bilge from the right will be diluted.  Don't be run off, now girl.

on this board ever consider that this country is lost to yokels and religious fanatics who actually enjoy the vittrole of the Fox nation?  That they elevate a corrupt, sarcastic shrew nobody to a Great New Candidate?  That they actually view anyone from any other country in the world as a scarey fur-i-ner and think that the fact other countries look down upon us is proof we are #1? Our schools have gone steadily downhill.  Our families are falling apart.  There are basically fewer and fewer educated and intelligent people around to see beyond the poison being spoonfed to us by the republicans.  Remember in the Frankenstein movies there was only 1 monster but dozens and dozens of ignorant village people whipped up in a frenzy chasing him with sticks and torches.  We will have the government we deserve.  You can bank on it. 

1. Bush ignored the advice of more than 450 economists, including the Bush administration's own Economic Advisement Council and his own treasury secretary, when they warned that his tax cuts would fail as a growth stimulus, increase inequality and worsen the budget outlook


2. Unemployment rate rose from 4.2% in January 2001 to 6.3% in the first 2-/12 years of the Bush administation.


3. During the first 6 years, income rose an abysmal 1.6%.  Though the inflation rate was at historic lows during those years, (2% to 3%), income failed rise at the same historically low rate.


4. Poverty rates rose from 11.7% in 2001 to 12.7% in the first 6 years.


5. When compared to business cycles from the previous 50 years (1949 to 2000), Bush policies underperformed in terms of GDP, jobs, income and consumption…especially in the jobs sector.  Go here and scroll down to the economic growth section for a really cool graph that illustrates this point.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_policy_of_the_George_W._Bush_administration


6. Income inequality rose as the Bush policies benefitted the top 1% of the income earners.  The Congressional Budget Office, shows that "the average after-tax income of the richest one percent of households rose from $722,000 in 2003 to $868,000 in 2004, after adjusting for inflation, a one-year increase of nearly $146,000, or a whopping 20 percent.  In 2005, the top 1% received its largest share of gross income since 1928. 


7. Total budget surplus for FY 2001 was $128 billion dollars.  Here's how W eliminated that and added to the US public debt: 

Fiscal Year                 Value                           %GDP

2001                            144.5 billion (B)         1.4%

2002                            409.5B                        3.9%2003                            589.0B                        5.5%2004                            605.0B                        5.3%2005                            523.0B                        4.3%2006                            536.5B                        4.1%2007                            459.5B                        3.4%

Notice how the value and %GDP trend reversed under the democratic congress.

8.    Pubs like to blame dems for opposing oversight on Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae.  They fail to mention that the 2 times during the Bush administration the issue of an oversight agency was entertained occurred in 2003 and 2005…under republican majorities in both House and Senate.  Those dems must have had some help from somewhere. 

were from posters from within the U.S.

discourage you.  Keep spreading the word.  As a previous O supporter, I knew that he was pro-choice.  I did not, however, know to what extreme.  I simply thought he chose to support Roe v. Wade, as many do.  Had it not been for this board, I never would have researched and found out about the FOCA.  There are people on this board who can still be won over.  Keep on "harping"!!!

The people who are trying to keep religion out of politics are the same ones trying to keep it out of our schools, our money, and ultimately our homes. 

If you have a problem with a post, use the Report Message button at the top of the screen.  Do not post openly about it.

Personal attacks are not going to be left on the board.  Discuss your views and perspectives, debate, argue but leave off personal attacks. 

Every poster here has the right to their own opinion.  As long as there is no inappropriate language, name calling, hate speech or maliciousness, opinions can be expressed.   While "freedom of speech" may be a right in the US, this is a privately owned site and the degree of "freedom" to say what you want is limited to what the board's administration outlines. 

Whether or not you agree with the morality or position of a particular view is something you will have to moderate within yourself.  You can do this by determining what you will and will not read.  Stop with the personal banter trying to "notify" posters you are not reading their posts any longer, etc.  Simply stop. 

Reading the Politics board is an exercise in tolerance, patience and flexibility. 

Feel free to email the moderators or administrator at any time. 

Moderator: Cher  (cher@mtstars.com)

forgot to read the post by the moderator. If they did, they wouldn't be acting so childish.

This used to be a nice place to discuss issues, but no more. It's been taken over by hostile posters. I stayed away for over a month and come back to what???...it's worse then ever!!!! They don't want to discuss issues. They just flame those that have a different opinion.

You have to stay cool and calm and take every post at face value, not get involved in a stupid argument, which is what most of these posts are lately, and not yell or use name-calling.

Freedom of speech does not work on this board and that is why I try not to post anymore. I just read and, sometimes, laugh at some of the most ridiculous ones, then count to 10 if I want to answer in an inflammable way...and leave the board instead.

I need a house. We are living in a basement, the front sided and open so we can have windows, but 3 sides under ground. This was the basement of the home we were going to build on top. Build this place for $10,000 using as much as we could from the old house that was flooded out in ྜ and had to build on higher ground even though we live on a hill.

We won't go into debt now because the county states our place is worth $100,00. Yeah, right. Try to get a loan or HELOC (which we would never do now). We'll live like this until we win the lottery. LOL

You said, Truman and Kennedy and even Johnson were real Democrats, not like those of today.  And I said the same holds true for republicans.  I was answering your post to show you it goes both ways.  Got it now?

they have blacked out the information that they got in those memos for national security reasons.  You know....I would be curious to see what you would say if you found out that your life was actually one of the ones saved by "torturing" terrorists.

As far as I'm concerned, you behead Americans that you capture, than the people we capture of yours can be subjected to anything we want and to he!! with you.....but that is just me.

The Jordan Times has his whole speech written up and I don't see those words there.

I did see some very interesting things, though, when he talked about Islam, religion, Muslins, etc. 

http://www.jordantimes.com/?news=17273

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to the complaints on this board, you would realize that what we are complaining about is not the fact that our money is going to government programs to help people who need it.  Most of us are upset because these government programs are being abused and misused by dishonest people who would much rather not work and be lazy just to receive government assistance.  I have no problem helping people who need it.  I think Clinton did a good thing by reforming welfare and I think it is a shame that Obama is undoing that.  Welfare is supposed to be a hand up.....not a hand out.

Not wanting to help people in need is not the issue here and I wish that you guys could understand that.  We aren't being heartless here.  We are just sick and tired of people mooching off of the government when they could work and make a living for themselves.

If the dishonest people who are abusing the system could be taken out of the welfare equation, just think of the extra money we would have to really help those in need.  Think about it.

In my post below this I did address dems (Pelosi)....and I quote:

"If we lose a couple dems in the process, well, then so be it.  If they were in on it, then they need to go anyway."

However, now that you mention it, as far as calling Pelosi a liar or Pelosi saying that the CIA lied, well, that would be hard for any of us to do as I'm pretty sure none of us were in that meeting to verify what was said......except (of course) trigger happy.  I'm assuming she was there as she seems to know exactly who is and who isn't lying.