Here we go - bashing posters again
Posted By: Just me on 2008-11-12
In Reply to: Gotta give Backwards Typist credit... - MT
you claim the republicans bash and she's not bashing YOU ARE!!!!!!!
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Obama bashing versus Palin bashing... sm
Obama will be in the forefront for the next 4 years, assuming the electoral college pans out the way the popular vote did and providing his BC holds up in court.
Palin, on the other hand, has gone back to the frozen tundra. Whether she resurfaces in 2012 remains to be seen, but can't we just wait until then to start in on her?
Was bashing her, was bashing his choice of
her. I said she was not the MOST qualified. Did not say she wasn't qualified. I said he picked because she would help with the base. That's actually a compliment.
Rather than attacking, try to understand the content.
we need more posters
here about the liberal issues, the more we have, the more the bilge from the right will be diluted. Don't be run off, now girl.
did the dem posters
on this board ever consider that this country is lost to yokels and religious fanatics who actually enjoy the vittrole of the Fox nation? That they elevate a corrupt, sarcastic shrew nobody to a Great New Candidate? That they actually view anyone from any other country in the world as a scarey fur-i-ner and think that the fact other countries look down upon us is proof we are #1? Our schools have gone steadily downhill. Our families are falling apart. There are basically fewer and fewer educated and intelligent people around to see beyond the poison being spoonfed to us by the republicans. Remember in the Frankenstein movies there was only 1 monster but dozens and dozens of ignorant village people whipped up in a frenzy chasing him with sticks and torches. We will have the government we deserve. You can bank on it.
For those posters below who like to
- Bush ignored the advice of more than 450 economists, including the Bush administration's own Economic Advisement Council and his own treasury secretary, when they warned that his tax cuts would fail as a growth stimulus, increase inequality and worsen the budget outlook
- Unemployment rate rose from 4.2% in January 2001 to 6.3% in the first 2-/12 years of the Bush administation.
- During the first 6 years, income rose an abysmal 1.6%. Though the inflation rate was at historic lows during those years, (2% to 3%), income failed rise at the same historically low rate.
- Poverty rates rose from 11.7% in 2001 to 12.7% in the first 6 years.
- When compared to business cycles from the previous 50 years (1949 to 2000), Bush policies underperformed in terms of GDP, jobs, income and consumption…especially in the jobs sector. Go here and scroll down to the economic growth section for a really cool graph that illustrates this point. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_policy_of_the_George_W._Bush_administration
- Income inequality rose as the Bush policies benefitted the top 1% of the income earners. The Congressional Budget Office, shows that "the average after-tax income of the richest one percent of households rose from $722,000 in 2003 to $868,000 in 2004, after adjusting for inflation, a one-year increase of nearly $146,000, or a whopping 20 percent. In 2005, the top 1% received its largest share of gross income since 1928.
- Total budget surplus for FY 2001 was $128 billion dollars. Here's how W eliminated that and added to the US public debt:
Fiscal Year Value %GDP
2001 144.5 billion (B) 1.4%
2002 409.5B 3.9%2003 589.0B 5.5%2004 605.0B 5.3%2005 523.0B 4.3%2006 536.5B 4.1%2007 459.5B 3.4%
Notice how the value and %GDP trend reversed under the democratic congress.
8. Pubs like to blame dems for opposing oversight on Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. They fail to mention that the 2 times during the Bush administration the issue of an oversight agency was entertained occurred in 2003 and 2005…under republican majorities in both House and Senate. Those dems must have had some help from somewhere.
Nobody's bashing you
Just because someone questions you it does not a bash make.
Who was bashing? sm
Someone pointed out, actually THREE someones, that a link was not working and you freaked out. Now, who is overreacting here? I tried to point out, nicely I might add, that the link was not working and you started with the only liberals could see it conversation. At least have the good graces to admit that this whole thing is blown way out of proportion. The link does not work. It just doesn't. If it works for you, I am surprised as all get out, because it just does not work for me. Settle down. Take a chill pill. No one is bashing you for Pete's sake.
What is bashing?
Thank you for your post, however, I do not need you to clarify what is a bashing post and what is not. Calling someone ignorant is not needed, debating is. I have participated in many debates both in college and within the internet and honestly debating can be done without disparaging another. Calling someone ignorant is a bash. However, you see the world one way, others see it another. Is not that reason enough to keep all posts and debates as kind as can be?
no bashing here, you are so right!
McCain is the man to lead right now. Palin is a great woman too. Obama is a good guy in many respects, but not to lead this country. He does NOT have the judgment, the depth of character or the right morality IMO. He is really a politician at heart, and its not a 'new kind of politics'... i think the senate is the best place for him.
Not bashing at all....I just wonder, though....sm
how many of you Obama supporters will even bother to admit if and when Obama does not live up to your expectations.
I noticed how no one on this board today, could even be bothered about the one issue I raised in my post, of Obama's lack of discretion, and outright disdain for our current president, by leaking their private conversation, and then lying about it. And then coming out and admitting he lied about it (or rather, his campaign supposedly said all these things and leaked them, etc...but he was the one in the oval office, not his campaign, and thus it came from him....).
Not a word from you on that subject.
No bashing here, BWT........ sm
I agree with you on all points. But the point I was making is now is the time to buy cheap and hope for an increase on your money in the future....and it will be WAY in the future.
We're all in the same boat sinking at the same time, and you're right, there is nothing Obama can do about it. Greed has gotten us to where we are, and not just the greed of the filthy rich either. I think we have about run our course here in America and the next years are going to be hard ones. I'll share my refrigerator box with ya!
the administrator, not the posters
I did not say I have information on IP addresses..I suggested to the conservatives if they think I am constantly posting with other handles than my own, they could contact the administrator and ask her to check the IP address of the posts the conservatives keep saying I am posting under and it would prove I ONLY POST UNDER GT, NO OTHER HANDLE..Those other posters are NOT ME..The administrator of this site of course can check IP addresses..NOT US, the administrator..
LOL, three different posters, I assure you
You are the one who is entertaining and silly cause gt, dixiedew and libby are three different posters, not one and the same..so you are the one who is laughable..LOL
The posts were not from posters outside of the US. They
were from posters from within the U.S.
We have had several posters here from out of this country.
They were dispatched post haste by the people on this board because they did not espouse their views.
Posters like this need to be left alone
nm here
driveby posters
definition: Those who have families and activities that prevent them from parking 24/7 on a small message board repeating same opinions over and over.
No more than any of the Dem posters on this board....
there's that pesky double standard again. Rather sad, really.
Just keep it about the politics, not the posters.
If the personal attacks keep going, nobody will be left to disagree...then we'll have a pretty boring one-sided Politics board....nobody wants that:-)
Fight away, but please keep it about the issues and/or candidates and not about each other.
Re: Right-Wing posters - sm
Not all of us are 'all for this pay-my-mortgage idea.'
I'm a conservative Republican and I think it's baloney that people who greedily signed their lives away to buy houses they couldn't afford should get a hand out. Their hand out came when they were allowed to ATTEMPT to pay the mortage they contractually agreed to. If they blew it, tough luck. No hand outs for irresponsible behavior.
I agree that if Uncle Sam wants to cut people checks for 75K, it should be for ALL Americans. And I'd be a danged site more resonsible with that money that these greedy homeowner-overreachers would have been.
ATTENTION POSTERS
There are way too many personal attacks, foul language and abusive posts going on here.
Read the sticky above. Also read that it is NOT saying to write whatever you want on here.
We're getting loaded with report after report after report to delete messages from this board.
Back off and take it easy on people. Absolutely NO MORE personal attacks. You don't have to like a candidate, but that doesn't make the poster who does any less of person nor do they deserve to be attacked or belittled or called names.
The same is true for those that are reporting absolutely every little thing on here. Read the sticky. Beware of flaming in these posts. If you are too sensitive to be on a political board, then please don't read the posts.
Huh? Two of the posters are directly below
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shelly -- don't let these posters
discourage you. Keep spreading the word. As a previous O supporter, I knew that he was pro-choice. I did not, however, know to what extreme. I simply thought he chose to support Roe v. Wade, as many do. Had it not been for this board, I never would have researched and found out about the FOCA. There are people on this board who can still be won over. Keep on "harping"!!!
The people who are trying to keep religion out of politics are the same ones trying to keep it out of our schools, our money, and ultimately our homes.
For all Politics posters - sm
If you have a problem with a post, use the Report Message button at the top of the screen. Do not post openly about it.
Personal attacks are not going to be left on the board. Discuss your views and perspectives, debate, argue but leave off personal attacks.
Every poster here has the right to their own opinion. As long as there is no inappropriate language, name calling, hate speech or maliciousness, opinions can be expressed. While "freedom of speech" may be a right in the US, this is a privately owned site and the degree of "freedom" to say what you want is limited to what the board's administration outlines.
Whether or not you agree with the morality or position of a particular view is something you will have to moderate within yourself. You can do this by determining what you will and will not read. Stop with the personal banter trying to "notify" posters you are not reading their posts any longer, etc. Simply stop.
Reading the Politics board is an exercise in tolerance, patience and flexibility.
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And these other posters are the people
we show respect for Obama! This man who continues to wow us with his dark and dangerous associations that we are to accept without question. I am still in shock!
I think that most of the posters on this board
forgot to read the post by the moderator. If they did, they wouldn't be acting so childish.
This used to be a nice place to discuss issues, but no more. It's been taken over by hostile posters. I stayed away for over a month and come back to what???...it's worse then ever!!!! They don't want to discuss issues. They just flame those that have a different opinion.
You have to stay cool and calm and take every post at face value, not get involved in a stupid argument, which is what most of these posts are lately, and not yell or use name-calling.
Freedom of speech does not work on this board and that is why I try not to post anymore. I just read and, sometimes, laugh at some of the most ridiculous ones, then count to 10 if I want to answer in an inflammable way...and leave the board instead.
Oh, yea. The other posters reminded me
I need a house. We are living in a basement, the front sided and open so we can have windows, but 3 sides under ground. This was the basement of the home we were going to build on top. Build this place for $10,000 using as much as we could from the old house that was flooded out in ྜ and had to build on higher ground even though we live on a hill.
We won't go into debt now because the county states our place is worth $100,00. Yeah, right. Try to get a loan or HELOC (which we would never do now). We'll live like this until we win the lottery. LOL
I don't think 80% of the posters on this board........... sm
are for the bill.
But then, I'm no analyst. LOL
Perhaps these posters were just "dreaming," as we do when we think.......sm
what we would do if we won a lottery, it is fun, but not practical. Now saying what you INTEND to do with a certain amount, like a tax-cut rebate, is different, so I would not be too hard on anyone on this board. There are so many folks going through such a tough, scary time, that sometimes you just have to dream a little. I love your monicker, BTW!
No, she had 3 posters above laughing
her off as if she didn't know what she was talking about, claiming they had never heard of such a thing. One even claimed to have over 1900 channels and had never heard this. That alone should be proof that the majority of the news channels do not present but one side. You see why Fox News is the most watched news channel there is? Good reason! Oh, and BTW, I just saw on Fox News the NAACP wants the young cartoonist AND his Editor fired, so I am sure their days with the Post are numbered!
No, her mother did not.......posters like YOU did!
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Why the Bush Bashing?
Your post is nothing more than that. Grow up, get a life that is filled with something other than hate.
why the bush bashing?
Spoken like a true conservative republican..if someone does not agree with you or live like you or vote like you or have the same beliefs or morals like you, you attack them personally, without any basis in fact for the attack. Get a life? Grow up? Things that have been posted here about Bush are the truth..PERIOD..yet, you turn around and attack personally, not knowing anything about the posters. I am grown up and do have a life, full of wonderful things and also full of politics and I will post and shout out and write editorials to the newspapers on this corrupt murderous administration any time I feel like it. Thank you very much. Now, why dont you go back to the Conservative Bush sheep section.
bashing bush
I do not see the media bashing Bush, honestly I still wonder why so Americans voted for him - so confusing our Country has never been in the Pearls it is in today, our poor troops!!!!!!
It is not dissent, it is bashing..
The whole gist of your post is bashing. When I complain about bashing of liberals on the liberal board, you reply by bashing even more....and not just bashing me, but all liberals. Why does it bring you so much pleasure to hate so many?
I don't really want an answer, I'll not read any more of your posts, or AG's crowing about you and her slamming the liberals on the liberal board. They are garbage.
Geez. No one is bashing you....
You post under both monikers and denied it for a long time, then finally admitted it. Not bashing, just the truth. And when I started posting as observer on the conservative board and liberal board when both existed, no one else was using that moniker and did not, and I did not know you had used it (yet ANOTHER one) before I started using it. No one said anything to me when I started using it, including YOU, until the issue was raised about Teddy/Taiga. So, you are the architect of fiction, not me. And as to portraying the truth...I suppose one must be able to recognize it. No synopsis to it, Teddy/Taiga. The truth, and no need to check the archives. You know and I know the truth, and anyone who has been posting and following this knows the truth too. What I don't understand is why you are making such a big deal about it. You posted using two monikers, denied you were doing so when confronted, and finally copped to it. It was not a big deal then and is not a big deal now.
Obama bashing
I agree about the measure of success. It's relative. A 4 or 5 point bump isn't exactly chicken-feed when you are already in the lead, but the success of his trip is not about the polls. They will bump and slump a hundred times between now and November for both candidates and because they are skewed, construed and misconstrued, they are not that meaningful one way or the other, especially since we still have not even made it to the conventions. What Obama succeeded in as a byproduct of his accepting McCain's challenge is that he did not exactly come across as some inexperienced rookie as McCain had hoped he would. Instead, he was well received among world leaders who were obviously quite comfortable around him, some of whom expressed their open support and acceptance. He came out of this trip with an impressive stash of diplomatic capital, something that McCain has yet to even recognize as being desirable or advantageous.
It is impossible to measure the numbers of people who were or were not "impressed" by his world citizen identity, but it is possible to be one and be a patriotic American at the same time. It's not a right or wrong, either/or thing. It is phrase that reflects an approach or attitude toward world view and is more accurately defined as a philosophy behind foreign policy that does not in any way diminish love of country. For those who promote diplomacy as an effective and viable alternative to war, it is well understood. For those who don't, it is just more fodder for personal attack and is often misrepresented as a lack of allegiance. This accusation is ludicrous and insulting. Many believe that the desire to avoid and/or prevent war is the ultimate expression of love for country and it is those people who he represents well.
This "hoohah" statement makes no sense. For the sake of clarity, diplomacy is a 4-letter word for those who subscribe to the belief that diplomatic world citizens are un-American. The Berlin speech sure didn't look so "little," with 200,000 in attendance. When did McCain ever spark such interest and excitement? It does not matter where the speeches are made. It is the message that counts. The time is now for a US president who inspires admiration and unity, rather than division, hatred and terror.
The surge is part of a war that did not work, is not working and will never work. Wasn't it just yesterday and the day before that Bush and McCain said something to the effect that the invasion of a sovereign country was inappropriate for the 21st century? Hypocrites. The horrors of war are the horrors of war, no matter who wages them in no matter what country. The surge is not a black and white issue. It is honest NOT to express support for something he does not believe. Personal attacks like this are not issues, they are tactics that lower the bar on the issues dialogue. The dynamics between Obama and the Reverend run much deeper than political expediency and these cheap shots are not exactly honest either. Long-term, meaningful relationships between people who hold diametrically opposed ideals are nothing new. They happen in families all the time. Michelle and Obama were not in South Chicago as part of some clandestine black militant conspiracy. They were doing neighborhood outreach that paralleled many of Trinity church's programs. To dismiss this subject with even that one statement does not do this subject nearly the justice it deserves.
Here's that information void again. Fox and CNN played a sound byte out of context over and over and over and over. A fifth grader could recognize this as propaganda. This does not constitute "so much information," and in fact, is no information at all. To understand his relationship with Rev Wright and that church requires an open mind, knowledge of black history and of Obama's background and biography, a willingness to step out of a comfort zone long enough to face some harsh realities about race in America and most importantly, a desire to understand. Anyone who parrots the trash that Fox and CNN put out on this subject obviously does not possess those traits and will simply have to be left to fester in their own hatred. These statements are made with a very straight face.
The name calling also is not worth addressing. However, there are plenty of white folks and blacks alike who are not black liberationists who can plainly see that it is time to reign in the corruption of the corporations and all their "special" interests, with the "R" word (regulation). How exactly did Ken Lay and his ilk earn those obscene salaries and perks at the cost of those whose hard work stuffed huge profits into their pockets, and just how many lives did they destroy in the process? In a country of such vast wealth, the plight of the homeless, the depths of the poverty, the existence of hunger, the shrinking middle class, the job flight for the sake of endless corporate greed, the foreclosure rates and the health care crisis (just to name a few) are a national disgrace. What some call Marxism/socialism, others think of as simple, basic humanity. It is time for that one fundamental American value to be restored for all our sakes, once and for all.
I wasn't bashing you
I read your post above where you were claiming everyone was bashing you and you were innocent and just defending yourself. I just want you to know I read my post again and I was not bashing you in case you included me in the group of all the people bashing you.
However, here you are calling me a liar. You also are claiming I am not a religious person, and I'll quote you... "You obviously are not a religious person, but that does not mean you are not a moral person, does it?" First telling me I'm a liar and I'm not a religious person, while you may not call that bashing, I call it disrespectful. You don't know me or my religious background and I take offense to someone who makes judgement about me without knowing me.
You also do not know my viewpoints on abortion but are assuming I'm for it. I find abortion dispicable and vile and I posted that awhile back when you first posted about abortion. So don't assume anything.
And how hard is it to not read posts on abortion? Very hard when it seems to come up every day or two. And when its all in capital letters???
It's time to stop playing the victim saying everyone is picking on you and your tired of being attacked when your the one doing the attacking on others for not believing the way you do and not wanted to discuss abortion every day. I see a lot of people are tired of the subject but your answer is "If that chaps you, so be it".
I really do hope other political issues will be on this board so we can put the abortion subject behind us. Enough has been said about it and it's getting old.
skip the bashing for a second, sim
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note: this was in no way gay-bashing, as i am gay too,
but i just had to laugh at the mental image of a pitbull with lipstick, trying its best not to look like a 'klondyke'.
No bashing from me. Just agreement.
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How is this bashing Obama?
She gave you a quote--Obama's own words--and you're not getting it. He identifies with socialists and socialism. That IS the issue.
She lost...get over it. No need to keep bashing...nm
That was not necessary. Let's not start bashing again
Had enough of that before the election. She voiced an opinion. Let it rest.
I am not bashing - but the same can be said of hte pubs -
The bitter, bitter pubs are still bashing Obama instead of waiting and giving him a chance.
He is our next POTUS and he should be given the respect he is due in that position. Everybody should start with a clean slate - at least let him get started before you tear him down...
There's a difference between bashing and...(sm)
correcting a flat out lie, which is more often than not what we see from most pubs on here.
No bashing from me. I agree with you.
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Obama Bashing
I agree!!!
This is bashing AFTER the election....these are
Being against Obama doesn't mean I was for McCain. As far as I am concerned, if Ron Paul had been given the attention he deserved and TV time, he would have gotten his points across and sounded like the only one with any sense at all...
What Obama is doing now has EVERYTHING to do with what he is doing NOW, not before. The lies are taking place NOW! Sorry you feel we are just to lie down and take the Obama railroading that is happening in our country. Saying NOTHING WILL CHANGE is sad to hear.. with that attitude you darn right it won't change. If something isn't done NOW, heaven help us all the next 4 years..... look at the mess he's gotten us into in just a few weeks... can you just imagine the next 4 years?
Issues? Gourdpainter, his lies ARE the issues. One lie after the other. Surrounding himself with lobbylists after saying he would DO AWAY with them is a MAJOR issue.... that isn't a before the election thing, that is happening NOW!
Getting our troops out is a NOW thing... remember he said he would get them out pronto?! Not happening! His lies are a NOW thing; they happen on an ongoing basis. These are not issues BEFORE his election.... these were promises he made to GET elected and then he screwed us all over BIG TIME!
He yammered on about poor folks with no healthcare but his wife was quietly dumped out of her $317,000 a year job at a hospital that was receiving MILLIONS of dollars to help the POOR PEOPLE.... a program she headed up and seemingly had no sympathy for the poor black folks without healthcare! She was quietly released from her job.... a job that was done away with with no replacement for her.... doesn't that tell you her job wasn't a position that was necessary in the first place other than to dump indigent patients off on other hospitals? You don't think that is an issue NOW? It speaks volumes about these people. After all, Obama is still yammering on about his healthcare program and trying to ram it down my throat.... you think that's not an important NOW issue?
There are more trolls over here lately, and driveby posters...sm
And some of them even post how amused they are to come over here and dump on us. I guess this is their only source of amusement in a day is starting a fight on the liberal board. Whatever floats their boats?!?!?!
Please do not bash liberal posters. Thank you. nm
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