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Apparently, the Chinese are upset with us. sm

Posted By: LVMT on 2009-02-14
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Post below was correct. Congressman Burton confirms it in statements he made to the House.

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Not upset that he was in VA; upset that he has not attended funerals..
since individual people don't usually have convocations, a funeral would have to do. I am glad he was at VA. I heard first it was just Laura going, then the both of them.
The Chinese
It "gets paid back" by increased production and by banks being solvent and active again.

The Chinese have had us at their mercy ever since they started buying up all of our Treasury bills years ago. This is nothing new. However, the Chinese have nothing to gain by trying to collect all at once. They need us as a trading partner for better or worse, and our T bills are a good investment for them.

A worst-case scenario would be if the international money markets determined that the dollar was just too unstable to be the basis for trade and decided to go with Euros instead. So far, the dollar has held up pretty well, mostly because everything's so unstable everywhere that no one wants to rock the boat. Yet.
Chinese cars....
Did anyone see the video of the chinese car crash test? Don't think I will be buying any Chinese made car. The crash test dummy was demolished. the car crumbled like a tin can in a can crusher.
Not to fear. The Chinese are interested in...

...purchasing these American icons.  More selling out of America, right under our noses.


Thank you, Congress. 


Chinese Automakers May Buy GM and Chrysler


By Bertel Schmitt
November 18, 2008 -


Chinese carmakers SAIC and Dongfeng have plans to acquire GM and Chrysler, China's 21st Century Business Herald reports today. [A National Enquirer the paper is not. It is one of China's leading business newspapers, with a daily readership over three million.] The paper cites a senior official of China's Ministry of Industry and Information Technology–– the state regulator of China's auto industry–– who dropped the hint that "the auto manufacturing giants in China, such as Shanghai Automotive Industry Corporation (SAIC) and Dongfeng Motor Corporation, have the capability and intention to buy some assets of the two crisis-plagued American automakers." These hints are very often followed with quick action in the Middle Kingdom. The hints were dropped just a few days after the same Chinese government gave its auto makers the go-ahead to invest abroad. And why would they do that?


A take-over of a large overseas auto maker would fit perfectly into China's plans. As reported before, China has realized that its export chances are slim without unfettered access to foreign technology. The brand cachet of Chinese cars abroad is, shall we say, challenged. The Chinese could easily export Made-in-China VWs, Toyotas, Buicks. If their joint venture partner would let them. The solution: Buy the joint venture partner. Especially, when he's in deep trouble.


At current market valuations (GM is worth less than Mattel) the Chinese government can afford to buy GM with petty cash. Even a hundred billion $ would barely dent China's more than $2t in currency reserves. For nobody in the world would buying GM and (while they are at it) Chrysler make more sense than for the Chinese. Overlap? What overlap? They would gain instant access to the world's markets with accepted brands, and proven technology.


21st Century Business Herald, obviously with input from higher-up, writes that Chinese industry must change and upgrade. China wants their factories to change from low-value-added manufacturing to technically innovative and financially-sound high-value-add industries. Says the paper: "It would be much easier now for strong Chinese automakers to go global by acquiring some assets of their U.S. counterparts in times of crisis."


Deloitte & Touche sees a trend: "Chinese automakers can start with buying out the OEM projects and Chinese ventures of some global carmakers such as GM and Chrysler."


The Chinese appear to have bigger plans than an accounting firm can imagine. 21st Century Business Herald acts and writes as if its already a done deal, and the beginning of more to come. "In the coming two years China is likely to see a few of its large Chinese automakers and other manufacturing enterprises set a precedent for achieving globalization by acquiring global companies, just like SAIC or Dongfeng's possible acquisition of troubled GM or Chrysler."


Just in case you missed it, the Shanghai Automotive Industry Corporation (SAIC) is China's largest auto manufacturer. In 1984, the company entered a joint venture with Volkswagen. A decade later, SAIC entered a joint venture with General Motors. In 2007, SAIC bought the Nanjing Automobile Corporation, which had acquired British MG Rover in 2005.


Dongfeng Motor Corporation is a public company, although 70 percent of their shares are reported to be in government hands. They also are one of China's Big Three. The company has numerous joint venture partners, such as Nissan, Peugeot-Citroen, Honda, and Kia. Dongfeng (which means "East Wind") was founded at the behest of Mao Zedong himself in 1968.


Chinese buying up south CA

They don't want to buy any more of our debt, as our $ is almost worthless.  They've been buying up homes in southern CA big-time.  They already know that this most liberal "plan" will make the US self-destruct.


Those who voted for this man and refused to listen to many of us who said h'ed do this, don't cry to me.  This is merely the beginning.


Fed approves Chinese Bank CCB to open in US

Am I the only one who finds this scary?


Fed approves Chinese bank CCB to open office in US


Mon Dec 8, 5:15 pm ET


WASHINGTON (AFP) –– The US Federal Reserve said Monday it had authorized China Construction Bank, a leading Chinese state bank, to operate in the United States.


The proposed New York City branch of CCB "would engage in wholesale deposit-taking, lending, trade finance, and other banking services," the Fed said in a statement.


The US central bank recalled that China Construction Bank Corporation (CCB) is 57.0 percent owned by the Chinese state, 19.7 percent by US banking group Bank of America and 5.7 percent by Temasek Holdings, a sovereign wealth fund owned by the government of Singapore. The remainder of the capital is publicly traded.


CCB is the second-largest bank in China, with total assets of approximately 1.1 trillion dollars, it noted.


The Fed said it had determined that CCB had adequate anti-money laundering safeguards and had committed to respect US laws on money laundering.


CCB's own funds exceed the minimum set by the 1998 Basel Capital Accord and "is considered equivalent to capital that would be required of a US banking organization," the US central bank said.


CCB would be the fourth mainland Chinese bank -- excluding banks in Hong Kong -- to open operations in the US, after the Agricultural Bank of China, the Bank of China and the Bank of Communications.


The Industrial and Commercial Bank of China (ICBC), China's top bank, also has asked the Fed for authorization to open a branch in New York.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20081208/pl_afp/uschinabankregulatebankingcompanyccb


Obama Wimps Out With Chinese Leader

What didn't he mention in his meeting?


1.  China's outrageous increase in human rights violations. (Hillary forgot about this also, though.)  Umm, I thought this was supposed to be the liberals' big beef with China.


2.  China's recent call for a new "world currency" to replace the dollar.


3.  China's recent criticism of massive increases in US debt.


4.  China's recent military moves, including confrontation with US warships in international waters or massive buildup of forces across from Taiwan, increases in military spending, etc.


No, no.  None of that!  Just "Let's get together for a kumbaya party, Comrade. I'm having a new Party Worker's suit made out of taxpayer skin that'll knock your eye out!"


 


 


What's this business about a Chinese general threatening to use nukes against the US if necessary,sm

over the treaty with Taiwan?  This was reported on Fox News this week.


Anyone been following this?


My husband is fascinated with the Japanese and Chinese cultures. sm
He's been wanting to go to Japan for the longest. He watches a lot of Japanese animation and tries explaning it to me. He likes to get the ones with the subtitles, and says he's learning the language a little too.
Chinese to inspect our cargo for nuclear material

Looks like the foxes are now in charge of the henhouses.


http://www.nysun.com/article/29714


March 23, 2006 Edition > Section: National > Printer-Friendly Version


America Hires Chinese Firm To Inspect Cargo For Nuclear Material


BY TED BRIDIS - Associated Press
March 23, 2006
URL: http://www.nysun.com/article/29714


WASHINGTON (AP) - In the aftermath of the Dubai ports dispute, the Bush administration is hiring a Hong Kong conglomerate to help detect nuclear materials inside cargo passing through the Bahamas to the United States and elsewhere.


The administration acknowledges the no-bid contract with Hutchison Whampoa Ltd. represents the first time a foreign company will be involved in running a sophisticated U.S. radiation detector at an overseas port without American customs agents present.


Freeport in the Bahamas is 65 miles from the U.S. coast, where cargo would be likely to be inspected again. The contract is currently being finalized.


The administration is negotiating a second no-bid contract for a Philippine company to install radiation detectors in its home country, according to documents obtained by The Associated Press. At dozens of other overseas ports, foreign governments are primarily responsible for scanning cargo.


While President Bush recently reassured Congress that foreigners would not manage security at U.S. ports, the Hutchison deal in the Bahamas illustrates how the administration is relying on foreign companies at overseas ports to safeguard cargo headed to the United States.


Hutchison Whampoa is the world's largest ports operator and among the industry's most-respected companies. It was an early adopter of U.S. anti-terror measures. But its billionaire chairman, Li Ka-Shing, also has substantial business ties to China's government that have raised U.S. concerns over the years.


Li Ka-Shing is pretty close to a lot of senior leaders of the Chinese government and the Chinese Communist Party, said Larry M. Wortzel, head of a U.S. government commission that studies China security and economic issues. But Wortzel said Hutchison operates independently from Beijing, and he described Li as a very legitimate international businessman.


One can conceive legitimate security concerns and would hope either the Homeland Security Department or the intelligence services of the United States work very hard to satisfy those concerns, Wortzel said.


Three years ago, the Bush administration effectively blocked a Hutchison subsidiary from buying part of a bankrupt U.S. telecommunications company, Global Crossing Ltd., on national security grounds.


And a U.S. military intelligence report, once marked secret, cited Hutchison in 1999 as a potential risk for smuggling arms and other prohibited materials into the United States from the Bahamas.


Hutchison's port operations in the Bahamas and Panama could provide a conduit for illegal shipments of technology or prohibited items from the West to the PRC (People's Republic of China), or facilitate the movement of arms and other prohibited items into the Americas, the now-declassified assessment said.


The CIA currently has no security concerns about Hutchison's port operations, and the administration believes the pending deal with the foreign company would be safe, officials said.


Supervised by Bahamian customs officials, Hutchison employees will drive the towering, truck-like radiation scanner that moves slowly over large cargo containers and scans them for radiation that might be emitted by plutonium or a radiological weapon.


Any positive reading would set off alarms monitored simultaneously by Bahamian customs inspectors at Freeport and by U.S. Customs and Border Protection officials working at an anti-terrorism center 800 miles away in northern Virginia. Any alarm would prompt a closer inspection of the cargo, and there are multiple layers of security to prevent tampering, officials said.


The equipment operates itself, said Bryan Wilkes, a spokesman for the U.S. National Nuclear Security Administration, the agency negotiating the contract. It's not going to be someone standing at the controls pressing buttons and flipping switches.


A lawmaker who helped lead the opposition to the Dubai ports deal isn't so confident. Neither are some security experts. They question whether the U.S. should pay a foreign company with ties to China to keep radioactive material out of the United States.


Giving a no-bid contract to a foreign company to carry out the most sensitive security screening for radioactive materials at ports abroad raises many questions, said Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y.


A low-paid employee with access to the screening equipment could frustrate international security by studying how the equipment works and which materials set off its alarms, warned a retired U.S. Customs investigator who specialized in smuggling cases.


Money buys a lot of things, Robert Sheridan said. The fact that foreign workers would have access to how the United States screens various containers for nuclear material and how this technology scrutinizes the containers _ all those things allow someone with a nefarious intention to thwart the screening.


Other experts discounted concerns. They cited Hutchison's reputation as a leading ports company and said the United States inevitably must rely for some security on large commercial operators in the global maritime industry.


We must not allow an unwarranted fear of foreign ownership or involvement in offshore operations to impair our ability to protect against nuclear weapons being smuggled into this country, said Sen. Norm Coleman, R-Minn., a member of the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs. We must work with these foreign companies.


A former Coast Guard commander, Stephen Flynn, said foreign companies sometimes prove more trustworthy _ and susceptible to U.S. influence _ than governments.


It's a very fragile system, Flynn said. Foreign companies recognize the U.S. has the capacity and willingness to exercise a kill switch if something goes wrong.


A spokesman for Hutchison's ports subsidiary, Anthony Tam, said the company is a strong supporter in port security initiatives.


In the case of the Bahamas, our local personnel are working alongside with U.S. customs officials to identify and inspect U.S.-bound containers that could be carrying radioactive materials, Tam said.


However, there are no U.S. customs agents checking any cargo containers at the Hutchison port in Freeport. Under the contract, no U.S. officials would be stationed permanently in the Bahamas with the radiation scanner.


The administration is finalizing the contract amid a national debate over maritime security sparked by the furor over now-abandoned plans by Dubai-owned DP World to take over significant operations at major U.S. ports.


Hutchison operates the sprawling Freeport Container Port on Grand Bahama Island. Its subsidiary, Hutchison Port Holdings, has operations in more than 20 countries but none in the United States.


Contract documents, obtained by The Associated Press, indicate Hutchison will be paid roughly $6 million. The contract is for one year with options for three years.


The Energy Department's National Nuclear Security Administration is negotiating the Bahamas contract under a $121 million security program it calls the second line of defense. Wilkes, the NNSA spokesman, said the Bahamian government dictated that the U.S. give the contract to Hutchison.


It's their country, their port. The driver of the mobile carrier is the contractor selected by their government. We had no say or no choice, he said. We are fortunate to have allies who are signing these agreements with us.


Some security experts said that is a weak explanation in the Bahamas, with its close reliance on the United States. The administration could insist that the Bahamas permit U.S. Customs agents to operate at the port, said Albert Santoli, an expert on national security issues in Asia and the Pacific.


Why would they not accept that? said Santoli, a former national security aide to Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif. There is an interest in the Bahamas and every other country in the region to make sure the U.S. stays safe and strong. That's how this should be negotiated.


Flynn, the former Coast Guard commander, agreed the Bahamas would readily accept such a proposal but said the U.S. is short of trained customs agents to send overseas.


Contract documents obtained by the AP show at least one other foreign company is involved in the U.S. radiation-detection program.


A separate, no-bid $4 million contract the Bush administration is negotiating would pay a Manila-based company, International Container Terminal Services Inc., to install radiation detectors at the Philippines' largest port.


The U.S. says the Manila company is not being paid to operate the radiation monitors once they are installed. But two International Container executives and a senior official at the government's Philippine Nuclear Research Institute said the company will run the detectors on behalf of the institute and the country's customs bureau. U.S. officials said they will investigate further how the Filipinos plan to use the equipment.


March 23, 2006 Edition > Section: National > Printer-Friendly Version


Geithner assures Chinese audience that US dollar is sound.
http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idINPEK12423320090601?rpc=44
Anyone who gets upset about that would probably be:
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sorry to upset you, GP -
As I said, I drive an American car and my husband also; however, when it comes to buying new cars as my mother does every couple of years, the better value has been with the foreign cars and that is where the problem is. The big companies wanted to go bigger and bigger with the SUVs and forget the cars because they were not making them money, but it was because the foreign cars were better in that category.

Cars and SUVs and trucks are different altogether. The American companies chose to cater to only one segment of the population and forget about the others...
What are you getting upset about.....s/m
my message was not meant for you.
It was meant for 'sm' or 'm' or whatever she enters into posted by...
you don't upset me nearly as much sm
as I upset you. Why is that? Must be hitting a nerve someplace. I don't serve God because he provides me comfort and solace. I serve God because he sent his son Jesus Christ to save me and YOU from an eternity in hell. I don't know what "god" you serve but my God is alive and well, risen on the third day and sitting on the right hand of the father and one day I WILL live with him. Yes RELIGION is a personal belief but salvation is not.
Are you upset?
You seem upset.
The only people that seem upset
about the funeral are the rightwingers..the family isnt upset, the congregation certainly was upset judging by the standing ovations clinton, carter and lowrey got. If anybody is politizing this its the Republicans..They just cannot stand to hear truth to power :)
I'm just more likely to get upset when it's not in my favor :)...sm
If it's not an honest mistake, it's shameful either way.
I have to wonder if you were so upset about the constitution (sm)
while Bush was butchering it over at least the last 4 years.
He was not disrepectful - he was upset that he even had to do that
The guy was upset. He was showing everyone that you don't get to do that to our American flag. He was like a father gathering a child in his arms to protect him saying treat him like that and you don't get him back. Actually I think he said if you want him back you can come and see me. Then in case you didn't notice he left as quickly as he came in. Probably so he wouldn't have beaten the you know what out of the loons that decided to do this in the first place. He treated the American flag with respect. He let the Mexican flag fall to the ground, and if it was me I would have stomped on it too.
LOL! I'm not upset. I find it very entertaining

every time she shows her true colors!!!  It always either comes back to smack her in the face or she gets caught in yet another of endless lies.


Likewise, feel free to return to the CON board.


congregation "not" upset
sorry typo...been one long day already!
Not according to what the public is saying out there...women are upset...sm
Palin is the complete opposite of Hillary being pro-Choice. Hillary voters are not voting for just any woman...go to other sites and read for yourself...

McCain's desperation is out in the open now and his judgement is in question.
Media bashes her in every way, then upset she
nm
You are right... they are upset because they are in a losing battle too, and sm
also what you said is 100 percednt correct. Bullying cowards.

Stay off the conservative board and you won't get so upset. nm

LOL! Why aren't you upset with King George?

Oh, I forgot.  It's the neocon MO to bash the messenger and defend the actor. 


http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary_Navigation=Articles&Action=View_Article&Content_ID=227238 Mary Carey to Dine with President Bush By: Chip Baker Posted: 1:15 pm PDT 5-18-2005 LOS ANGELES - Porn star and former gubernatorial candidate Mary Carey will be joining her boss, Kick Ass Pictures president Mark Kulkis, in attending a dinner with President Bush in Washington, D.C. on June 14.


Say it ain't so....Family Upset Over Soldier's Body Arriving As Freight..sm

I hope this family is able to effect a change in this. This would be something worth quitting your job and marching for change.  I'm heartbroken reading of the audacity of the military to ship a fallen soldier as freight.  This has to be a mistake. Pinch me I'm dreaming...Democrat. 


 


Family Upset Over Soldier's Body Arriving As Freight


Bodies Sent To Families On Commercial Airliners



POSTED: 4:46 pm PST December 9, 2005

UPDATED: 10:19 am PST December 12, 2005








There's controversy over how the military is transporting the bodies of service members killed overseas, 10News reported.

A local family said fallen soldiers and Marines deserve better and that one would think our war heroes are being transported with dignity, care and respect. It said one would think upon arrival in their hometowns they are greeted with honor. But unfortunately, the family said that is just not the case.

Dead heroes are supposed to come home with their coffins draped with the American flag -- greeted by a color guard.

But in reality, many are arriving as freight on commercial airliners -- stuffed in the belly of a plane with suitcases and other cargo.















John Holley and his wife, Stacey, were stunned when they found out the body of their only child, Matthew John Holley, who died in Iraq last month, would be arriving at Lindbergh Field as freight.

Matthew was a medic with the 101st Airborne unit and died on Nov. 15.

When someone dies in combat, they need to give them due respect they deserve for (the) sacrifice they made, said John Holley.

John and Stacey Holley, who were both in the Army, made some calls, and with the help of U.S. Sen. Barbara Boxer, Matthew was greeted with honor and respect.

Our familiarity with military protocol and things of that sort allowed us to kind of put our foot down -- we're not sure other parents have that same knowledge, said Stacey Holley.

The Holleys now want to make sure every fallen hero gets the proper welcome.

The bodies of dead service members arrive at Dover Air Force Base.

From that point, they are sent to their families on commercial airliners.

Reporters from 10News called the Defense Department for an explanation. A representative said she did not know why this is happening.



Just read public comments on other websites...republicans are upset...sm
and either not voting or voting for Obama. McCain is looking like a true hypocrite with his VP pick. I couldn't stop laughing at all the comments. He made a HUGE mistake with Palin.
apparently

he wanted Lieberman or Tom Ridge.  he was informed that if he picked Lieberman, there would be a floor fight on the convention floor to prevent that selection.  His campaign is stagnant, so he decided to appeal to the extreme conservative base. It has backfired on him because, in going for those voters, he chose a partner whose lifestyle shows the limitations and consequences of extreme right views such as abstinence only programs and not providing birth control info to teenagers.


 


apparently

that view is that the left is one big monolithic mind that works as one  Kinda like bees.


 


And apparently they are not the only ones. nm
nm
apparently

one who posts an opinion that differs from the majority here is labeled a "troll."  Labels do not deter me from expressing my viewpoint.  I am certain that others will agree with my assessment before the day is over.          


As far as giving liberals a bad name, pack-think is rather primitive.


Apparently more than you!
nm
Apparently...
Your reality is based on your brother and his friends and their friends and your friends at church. I have a news flash for you. There is a whole country outside of your little town with a much different reality that you know nothing about. So please keep your small-town reality to yourself and stop trying to tell us that we should all join you.
Apparently not who you think I am........ sm
since you seem to think I said you were no better than the rapist. I don't know where the heck you got that, lady, but I never said anything even CLOSE to that.

I did say "a rapist can only have as much control on the victim AFTER THE FACT as she allows." After the fact means after the rape. It does not mean that any woman asks to be raped or that she is on the same level as her rapist. It means that, if a woman allows herself to ruminate on the act for months or years afterward, the rapist still has control over her.

You asked if I feel you should have given birth, too, and my answer to that would have to be yes. I feel that you should have allowed your child to have life, and then if you decided you couldn't raise it (and I would totally agree with that since you were just a child yourself) I believe you should have allowed it to be adopted.

I'm really sorry for your pain as I would not wish that on anyone, and yes, I would go hunting if I had a daughter who was raped. I obviously struck a deep, long buried nerve with you, and I'm sorry for that.
Apparently they don't
However, I think they're dead wrong. There are a lot of voters on both sides (Dem and Repub) who see a major problem with one party having too much power and will vote accordingly to even things up.

You are an ignoramus...apparently you don't know of
anyone who was Viet Nam.  There were plenty of problems caused by the war itself....not just what you "read," but then again, I doubt you understand the written word!
Apparently she was covert tho
or none of this would be happening AND the only reason everybody and their 3rd cousin knew where she worked is because someone leaked it. It may be much ado about nothing, but if thats true why take two years to investigate it? From everything I read, Fitzgerald is not a partisian hack for either side, but a real honest to goodness good guy who loves to take down bad guys, politicians or mafia or whoever he is after. I realize that last sentence was a bit simplistic, but you get the general idea. And if indictments do come out of this and they are of anyone in the White House, it is going to be a very very big deal. And in the periphery of all of this, is the lead in to possible mismangement of intelligence in order to lead us into war. THAT is why all the pundits are salivating and why Fox News and Rush L are gettin so upset. It may end up to be a tempest in a teapot or it may bring down the Bush Administration. Only time will tell. Either way there will be a lot of upset people out there, whichever way it turns out.
Apparently you did not look far enough for the quote...
This is from the Washington Post, transcript of the conversation:

Vice President Cheney: Dec. 9, 2001 -- Meet the Press

RUSSERT: Let me turn to Iraq. When you were last on this program, September 16, five days after the attack on our country, I asked you whether there was any evidence that Iraq was involved in the attack and you said no. Since that time, a couple articles have appeared which I want to get you to react to. The first: "The Czech interior minister said today that an Iraqi intelligence officer met with Mohammed Atta, one of the ringleaders of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on the United States, just five months before the synchronized hijackings and mass killings were carried out."

And this from James Woolsey, former CIA director: "We know that at Salman Pak, on the southern edge of Baghdad, five different eyewitnesses--three Iraqi defectors and two American U.N. Inspectors--have said--and now there are aerial photographs to show it--a Boeing 707 that was used for training of hijackers, including non-Iraqi hijackers trained very secretly to take over airplanes with knives." And we have photographs. As you can see that little white speck--and there it is, the plane on the ground in Iraq used to train non-Iraqi hijackers. Do you still believe there's no evidence that Iraq was involved in September 11?

There ya go. Meet the Press only has transcripts on line back to 2003. I checked. If you look hard enough, there are other publications who published the actual transcript. Russert said it.

As to the fuselage in the desert: Charles Deulfer, former Deputy Head, U.N. Special Commission for Iraq, told NPR, "There were lots of places in Iraq where training of non-Iraqis, or things, which by our lexicon would be considered terrorism, was taking place. That's why Iraq is on the terrorist list. Having a large aircraft, a 707, in a peninsula, completely visible from the air or from satellite, with no airline runways nearby, that's not there by accident."

As to the smartalecky crack who was in the "meeting"...I posted that I heard him say it during the 9-11 commission meeting hearings and I DID. They were televised and there were certainly more than 3 people present. They asked him about the "slam dunk" comment regarding the intelligence and WMD, and he replied: "I thought it WAS a slam dunk. We ALL did." I don't know what meeting you are talking about with only three present. I am talking about what he testified to before the 9-11 commission in their hearings, which I did hear. And, frankly, I think out of the man's own mouth is a pretty reliable source.

Yes, I agree it is hard to get the real story, especially since the story tellers change their stories like other people change their underwear. Tim Russert is just one of them. Richard Armitage is another. So which time do we believe them? Which time is really the truth? No way to know.

I said the source of the reporting does not matter if the information can be substantiated. I don't discount everything I hear on a liberal station if I can substantiate it. A very simple example: If Fox News printed the sun was shining, and you looked out and the sun was shining...you could pretty well believe it, even if Fox is the one who printed it. That was my point...if it is a fact, who prints it does not matter. Who declines to print or report it though...that also indicates something.

Have a good evening, Taiga!
Apparently the truth over yours as well...
but with your head buried in the sand, no wonder.
Apparently, so does more than 1/2 the country.
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Some people are against it, apparently....
there are those on this board who are against it.

And, respectfully, I beg to differ. The "guilty" will never be held accountable. Pelosi has already said the democrats accept no responsibility for this situation. I rest my case. She knows better, Frank knows better, and they get right up there on TV and lie through their teeth. Both of them morally bankrupt if you ask me. And I would be saying the same thing if they were Republicans and the same evidence existed pointing to them. This is not partisan. This is about integrity, about serving the people who elected you. In my opinion, she and Barney Frank, Chris Dodd...have absolutely none. Zip, zero, nada.
Apparently your friends must be among the better off...
Q: What are the current concerns among healthcare workers in the country?

A: The Canadian Healthcare Association, and other concerned bodies, such as the Canadian Nurses Association, have put forward a Common Vision for the Canadian Health System document. It argues that four key areas need improvement in the country's healthcare system: patient waiting times; overall healthcare funding; shortages in personnel and improvement of medical technology; and the expansion of the healthcare system to include home, pharmaceutical, and long-term care.

Moreover, Canadian nurses have expressed particular dissatisfactions with the healthcare system in recent years. In 2002, the Canadian Nursing Advisory Committee delivered a report which recommended increasing the number of nurses, improvements in education, and maximizing the scope of practice of nurses.

The lure of more lucrative salaries has also led to a "brain drain" of professionals to the United States in recent years. Although overall emigration has been relatively small, healthcare professionals constitute a significant proportion of the public sector workers who have chosen to leave Canada for employment in the United States.

Q: What are the current concerns among patients?

A: Waiting times to see specialists and for diagnostic tests have become a point of issue for Canadians. According to a study by the Fraser Institute, a conservative think tank, such waiting times have increased from 13.1 weeks in 1999, to 17.7 weeks in 2003, to 17.9 in 2004. Long waits to undergo elective surgery have also become an issue in recent years, as have crowded emergency rooms in the country's largest cities.

One response to these concerns on the part of patients has been to seek treatment in the United States or overseas. While "medical tourism" is derided by some in Canada as queue-jumping, others see it as a legitimate means of dealing with the healthcare system's shortcomings. The province of Alberta currently reimburses patients who have sought medically necessary physician, oral surgery, and hospital services not immediately available in Canada.

The frequency of adverse events, or errors in treatment that might harm the patient or the outcome of their treatment while hospitalized, has also raised concerns in regards to the country's healthcare system, both among healthcare workers and patients.

Q: What are the current challenges in providing healthcare?

A: In 2004, the federal government and the provinces struck a C$41-billion (US$34.2-billion), 10-year agreement to improve Canada's healthcare system.

At the center of this agreement is an attempt to reduce waiting times. A Wait Times Reduction Fund has been instituted to help the provinces accomplish this. The fund allows the provinces to increase the hiring of healthcare professionals, clear backlogs, increase capacity, and expand ambulatory and community care programs. The provinces have themselves agreed to set targets for acceptable wait times, and have also agreed to cooperate in establishing a common set of criteria to measure wait times across the country.

Tell me, when the long waits to see a specialist, elective surgeries, etc., happen here...where will the canadians go? Where will WE go?

Just asking.

Yes! Of course they should have done that all along - apparently now they can't afford it ...lol
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Apparently yet another rumor

First clue should have been that it was filed by someone with a "Stop Obama" relationship.  Second would be that it wasn't covered by every television news outlet with breaking news interruptions into regularly scheduled programming.


Shots Fired at McCain-Palin Bus? (UPDATED: No Reports to Police or Campaign)




Update: The McCain campaign hasn't heard anything about the report of a bus being attacked. This makes the following report seem highly unlikely. Neither Raton police nor state police have received reports about such an incident.


The blog item below was posted by Mark Williams, former talk-radio host turned spokesman for Our Country Deserves Better PAC, a group committed to working against an Obama quest for the presidency. He has been on the group's Stop Obama tour, which arrived in Raton about a day after a McCain/Palin bus came through, he said. Williams said he heard the story from several residents of Raton, who said the bus had a shattered window when it arrived in town, and that it had been shattered by some kind of shot during its trip up from southern New Mexico, but he never saw the bus.


A Raton Police spokesperson, who said he's been on his phone all day long with reporters, said if the incident happened, it happened far south of Raton. Several calls to offices south, such as Chavez County Sheriff's Department and the Roswell Police, however, turned up nothing. Looks like this one is firmly in the debunked rumor pile for now, and not likely to move anytime soon.


A report from New Mexico:

We learned at this morning’s Stop Obama Rally here that the McCain/Palin Straight Talk Express came through town yesterday. It arrived with a window shattered by a .22 caliber weapon. It had also been hit by an unknown number of paint balls from a paint ball gun or guns. There were reportedly no injuries and neither candidate was on board.


Get ready for the media saturation! The wringing of hands, the concern about "incitement," the indictment of Obama and Biden for daring to criticize McCain and Palin in such a way that would drive their supporters to this.


Apparently, you are not as clever as you think you are! (nm)
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apparently I can't use the little icons so......
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"gay" as such apparently has been around
since bibilical days, since the Bible mentions in layman's terms that men should not sleep with men, also remember Sodom and Gomorrah???
Well, since you are apparently my poodle.. sm
Do you want pink bows or red ones? HAHAHAHA
And apparently humorless ones
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