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Asked for proof, suddenly she's too busy. LOL. Figures. nm

Posted By: ha on 2009-03-30
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The proof is in the pudding - and there is no proof......no WMDs....nm
Proof, my dear, proof. s/m
Give me one shred of evidence that Obama is planning to "steal" from one hand to give to another.  If you have heard HIM say that, then tell me where I can find it.  If not, may I suggest a hearing check-up?
Suddenly, I think I get it. (SM)

These are the same Bush worshippers who go around spouting "My God is better than your God," who didn't care when Bush claimed to have a direct line to God, who told Bush to (1) run for President and (2) invade and occupy a country that hadn't attacked us.

I've NEVER heard Obama claim that God "says" things to him.  He's looking to the American will of the people to come together to do GOOD things for this country.

I think they're all sore because they hoped Bush would bring about the "Rapture," swoop them all up and leave the rest of us losers down here.  (I admit, at times, under Bush, I wished someone would swoop ME up and take me outta here, as well.  In fact, in all honesty, I wished my fatal disease would hurry up and just take my life already.)

Under Bush, people lost hope.  People lost jobs.  People lost their own money when it was stolen by Wall Street, which Bush rewarded.

Bush never once cared about normal, everyday people.  In fact, he did his best to try to make the middle class extinct.  Obama SEES this.  He SEES that millions of Americans are losing jobs, don't have health insurance, and can barely afford to feed their families.  He wants to FIX this.

To me, he's the good guy.  To them, he's some sort of Anti-Christ because he wants to do GOOD things for people.

I'm seriously fearful that someone of the ilk of some of these posters will see to it that Obama is killed.  Maybe God will "tell" someone to do that, like God "told" Bush to invade Iraq.

We're living in very dangerous times indeed, but it seems like the terrorists we need to worry about MOST right now are the homegrown ones.

yes, I asked you...but I asked you a specific question...
about the peace movement. I asked why you did not take your ideals to the real enemies of peace...and your answer was that you leave them to God but will instead preach to us not to fight them, even when they bring the fight to us. So be it.

We will agree to disagree.

I did not personally call you a whiner. As to who sent the military...I will say one thing. When you join the military, you take an oath. That oath has been posted here. You are under no illusions. You know that you may be called to war. It is an all voluntary army over there now. There is no draft. No one is over there because they were forced to go.

As to the people sending having never been...what has that got to do with anything?It was not just George Bush and Dick Cheney, Lurker. It was Congress. Many in Congress do have relatives, even sons and daughters, in Iraq. Have you read the resolution? It is very clear. They knew exactly what they were signing and exactly what it meant. I do not buy the lied to hooey. The Senate and House intelligence committees got the same briefings, or at least enough briefings to vote for the resolution. If they did not (in their own words) use due diligence before signing off on that resolution, whose fault is that? Certainly not Dick Cheney's or George Bush's.

Where were all these people when Clinton was calling for regime change? Because he was a Democrat they will follow him to war? You will see why I do not buy into their rhetoric.

And while I understand your big picture, as I have said over and over and you have never addressed, that will work only if the others in the big picture wish it to work. And if you honestly feel that God wishes that you lay down and let this country be overrun by terrorists, then so be it. I am not of the same mind.

The big difference is that I believe, as did Americans at the time of the Revolution, and that Americans did at the time of the Civil War...and that even some Americans did at the time of Viet Nam...some things are worth dying for. Most of our volunteer military feels the same.

When that is no longer the case, if you are successful in robbing that sense of patriotism from the generations to come without changing the minds of the enemies, where they feel that nothing is worth dying for...in my mind that will only bring death quicker, not keep it at bay, and the loss of the greatest nation on the face of this earth.

So, we agree to disagree.

God bless.
Suddenly they DO? Right back at ya. :) nm
Biden was right, but, of course, now he suddenly
Notice how O lovers got suddenly quiet
What difference does it make who I am? Are you suddenly the liberal welcome wagon?

Go back to your board.  You're not wanted here.

Suddenly the Repubs are worried about the political divide?
Oooh yeah, that's believable. Now that the ball has most definitely flown your court, you want to make sure EVERYBODY plays by the rules. Well let us tell you, the time to be polite was years ago, bucko, and your side blew its credibility in that respect. It was your senseless rampages that tore the political fabric of this nation from stem to stern - over NOTHING. So just sit back, shutty as they say on the main board, and take it on the chin like you deserve.
Hmmm..... Obama supporters suddenly quiet
Her point is that Obama voted repeatedly against tax breaks for the middle class and suddenly he'

the middle class person's best friend!  Funny how now he wants to help us, when each time he had the opportunity to, he voted against it. 

That figures. (sm)

So that means you have chosen to disrespect the moderator’s rules and come here (now suddenly on purpose) when you choose to, but you still post things such as:  “Well, really, you ain’t supposed to be here and don’t tell me you’re a moderate conservative cause I ain’t buying it. <<<<<Liberal board's that way...if you can stay awake more than five minutes there” when a liberal visits your board?  Figures.  Fits perfectly in line with the rules only applying to some and not others.

I can’t believe you wrote *I understand that some of the terrorists may have worked or dealt with the UAE, but they did not carry out any attacks through them* and act as if that’s okay.  The Kool-Aid must be especially tasty today.

Do I advocate racial profiling?  I advocate historical profiling.  Historically, they were tight with bin Laden before, and there is nothing to suggest they don’t have the capacity to be tight with him again. 

In short, the REAL kind of profiling I would endorse is limiting this kind of deal countries who has NEVER had ties to terror in the past.

You may consider the below too long to read.  I’ve bolded and underlined the important points in case you give up after the first 3 words.  I truly feel that Dubya is selling out every American’s safety for money, and I don’t understand how you, as an American, can support or trust this.  Of course, you do obviousy still trust and support Bush, so that explains a lot.

Considered an ally now, UAE backed bin Laden

By Rowan Scarborough
February 23, 2006

The United Arab Emirates has become what the Bush administration calls a reliable partner in the war against Islamic terrorists, but its rulers maintained close ties to Osama bin Laden before September 11, and the cities of Abu Dhabi and Dubai have since served as operations and financial bases for al Qaeda terrorists.
    But the United Arab Emirates, the most Western of Persian Gulf nations, also has become the United States' closest military ally in the region. Its ruling emirs permit Navy warships to dock in the bustling commercial center of Dubai on lengthy liberty calls. It also hosts U.S. Air Force warplanes, refueling jets and spy planes at the sprawling Al Dhafra air base near Abu Dhabi. The base sits across the gulf from U.S. adversary Iran.
During the Clinton administration, the United States even considered killing bin Laden when he was on a hunting expedition but did not because one of his hunting partners was one of the United Arab Emirates' emirs.
    They have been helpful and supportive and a good partner in the fight against terrorism, said a U.S. counterterrorism official.
    It is these two faces of the Arab nation -- a one-time sympathizer of al Qaeda, yet strong post-September 11 U.S. partner -- that Washington is considering in the debate over the Bush administration's proposal to let United Arab Emirates company Dubai Ports World run six large U.S. seaports.
The U.S. September 11 commission's report is replete with accounts of some of the 19 hijackers -- two of whom came from the United Arab Emirates -- using Dubai's permissive banking system and lax passport certification to gain entry into the United States and bankroll a mission that killed more than 3,000 people.
    During bin Laden's stay in Afghanistan -- where he built terror training camps, a personal army and a financial network -- some of the United Arab Emirates' upper crust, known as emirs, visited him. The United Arab Emirates was one of only a handful of countries that recognized the harsh Taliban regime, bin Laden's protector.
In 1999, bin Laden spent time in the Afghan desert south of Kandahar near the Sheik Ali hunting camp. It was regularly used by visitors from the United Arab Emirates, according to the September 11 commission report. U.S. intelligence detected an official United Arab Emirates government airplane there on at least one occasion.
    According to reporting from the tribals, bin Laden regularly went from his adjacent camp to the larger camp where he visited the Emiratis, according to the report.
    In fact, the presence of the United Arab Emirates rulers at the camp gave the Clinton administration second thoughts about ordering an air strike to kill bin Laden, more than two years before the attack on the United States.
According to CIA and defense officials, policy-makers were concerned about the danger that a strike would kill an Emirati prince or other senior officials who might be with bin Laden or close by, the commission said. The Clinton administration was so concerned about the emirates' cozy ties to bin Laden that one official called a United Arab Emirates political leader to complain.
    Weeks later, the camp was dismantled, and bin Laden disappeared. The implication was clear: Someone in the United Arab Emirates tipped off bin Laden, the United States' most-wanted fugitive, who then was planning the September 11 attacks.

  The United Arab Emirates was becoming both a valued counterterrorism ally of the United States and a persistent counterterrorism problem the commission wrote. It said President Clinton personally pressed United Arab Emirates leaders to break financial and travel ties with the Taliban, but they refused.
    Hamdan bin Zayid, United Arab Emirates foreign minister, told a U.S. diplomat that his country maintains relations with the Taliban to counterbalance Iranian dangers.
    Those dangers are one reason that the United Arab Emirates stands as the United States' best military ally in the Gulf, opening key parts of its country for U.S. operations.
    Its Mina Jebel Ali port, the largest man-made harbor in the world, hosts more U.S. warships than any other rest stop outside the United States. CIA and FBI agents collect intelligence there on militant Islam. The United Arab Emirates has cooperated with the U.S. Treasury Department in shutting down bank accounts linked to al Qaeda.
    The United Arab Emirates is a country that's been an ally in the global war on terror, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said on the Michael Reagan radio show this week. We have a port there where they help us. They have an airfield. We share intelligence, and we have a partnership that has been very, very helpful to the things we do in that part of the world.

Figures, please? Thanks. nm

sorry where did you get those figures?
It cost 43.5 million for Bush's inauguration
reported yesterday in new stories
i will find the link if I must
Here's some figures
It doesn't take away from what you said of people voting for him because of his skin color and not qualifications, but doing some research I found these facts interesting and now I don't feel so bad (of course this is not down to the exact number but only what is on the statistics through the internet).

Population in USA 303,824,640
# people who voted for President Obama - 69,456,897
# people who voted for Sen. McCain - 59,934,814
# of people under the voting ages - 60,764,928

That means that 113,668,001 did not vote at all. So if you put the people who didn't vote, and the people who voted for McCain together that means that

# people who voted for Obama - 69,456,897
# of people who did not vote for Obama - 173,602,815

Kind of puts things in a better perspective.
With all due respect....way off on figures...
Abortion in the United States - Statistics
There have been over 48 million abortions since 1973.

The annual number of abortions went from 744,600 in the first year of legalization, to a high of over 1.6 million in 1990. In 2003, there were 1,287,000.

There were over 3,500 abortions per day in 2003, 146 per hour, about one every 25 seconds.

For every 1,000 live births, there were 312 abortions in 2003.

There were more than 148,000 second and third trimester abortions in 2003. (that is appalling)

In 2003, more children died from abortion than Americans died in the Revolutionary War, the Civil War, World Wars I and II, the Korean, Vietnam and Gulf Wars combined (This is a true statement, even if you go only by the CDC number of 853,000 plus (the million plus is the AGI numbers...contributed by all abortionists. The CDC readily admits their numbers are probably way off due to reporting mechanisms). The total number of Americans killed in all wars was 653,708. Add the 3192 killed in Iraq so far and you get roughly 657,000. So, in one year alone more babies died than all Americans in all wars. That 653,000 figure includes the Spanish-American war, indian wars, etc. ALL American wars.

A 2004 survey of women seeking abortions indicated that only about 7% of women cited typical “hard cases” (rape, incest, or some health concern with either the baby or the mother) as the primary reason they were seeking abortion.

An April 2004 Zogby Poll found that 56% of respondents support legal abortion in only three or fewer circumstances: when the pregnancy results from rape or incest, or when it threatens the life of the mother.

At an average cost of $372, the abortion business is a $400 million a year industry.

Nearly half of all abortions are obtained by women who have already had at least one abortion.

(The good news is that the number of abortions is going down. However, it will take several MORE wars to come close to the number of babies killed by abortion in this country.)

It was estimated back in 2003 that at that point over 48 million babies had been aborted in this country. How you can say you are okay with that and slam me because I say a country has a right to defend itself is beyond me. I have no more to do with the war thanyou do with abortions, yet you think it is inconsistent to be against abortion but for defense. By the same token, I think it is inconsistent to say you are against abortion but for giving the woman the right to kill the child. I frankly see no difference in your position than mine.

The Civil War...the bloodiest of all the wars...was that one worth fighting? WWI? WWII? The Revolutionary War? Surely that one was worth fighting...so is it some wars are worth fighting? Some aren't? I don't know what wars you feel are justified or if you feel none are justified....I don't know if you would feel fighting was worth it if we were attacked again like 9-11....of if you feel it is ok to fight in Afghanistan....or what you would have us do if they flew over and dropped bombs on NY? I just don't know. What I do know is that many more thousands of babies have died than Americans in wars, and as long as all abortion is legal we will continue as a country to kill babies at a horrifying rate, war or no war. And yes, the thought of that is sickening to me. No war...yet the numbers dying are HORRIFIC. Where is your outrage about that? Justified in the name of choice? Yep....I don't get it...and am glad I don't.

What I also know is that we have not had to fight any wars other than the Civil War on our own soil, and I believe that is because we have taken the fight to the enemy rather than wait for the enemy to come to us.

Don't want to fight with you, piglet...I still feel that someone needs to speak for the babies. You speak for the mothers. They have many to speak for them. Some of us believe we need to speak for the babies. And I will continue to do so.

Figures the people who are for Ono are for this
I received a message from an Obama supporter who tried to justify why its a good thing to vote early. Makes me wonder if it was going in favor of McCain would you all be in favor of this? No. This is an outrage to be able to register and vote at the same time. So if I want to do that, lets see, I'll go to my county and do that, then I'll drive to the next county, and the next and next and next and keep doing this so I can keep voting for McCain like some of the democrats will be doing. Oh no, that's not fair. Truth be known this has been the democrats operandi in the past. I have never seen such a big bunch of cheaters ever. They don't care if they cheat as long as their guy wins.

This is not right. If you can't vote in your state then you do an absentee ballot. Or will you be doing one of those also. America's election day is November 4th.

If you feel so strongly about voting you would find a way to legitimately vote on 11/4. Wonder how many other fraudulent votes will they find. At least the rupublicans are smart and are trying to verify how many of those new voter registers names and addresses are linked to the local cemeteries.

I was just giving figures from what they said.
Dont' burn me for that.
I agree! Here are some figures.

The total cost is a whopping $338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR

14 reasons why we need to get control of illegal immigration:

1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.

2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.

3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.

4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.

6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.

7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.

8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for welfare social services by the American taxpayers.

9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.

10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that’s two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular,their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US.

11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our southern border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from terrorist countries.

12. The National Policy Institute, “estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.”

13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin.

14. “The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States.”

It figures - a liberal station

Here are ALL the figures in case anyone is interested...
First---100% of southern Republicans...consisted of ONE senator. When one senator votes against something, yeah, that is 100%. Sheesh. Take a look at ALL the figures.

Martin Luther King, Jr. and Malcolm X at the United States Capitol on March 26, 1964. Both men had come to hear the Senate debate on the bill.Johnson, who wanted the bill passed as soon as possible, ensured that the bill would be quickly considered by the Senate. Normally, the bill would have been referred to the Senate Judiciary Committee, chaired by Senator James O. Eastland, from Mississippi. Under Eastland's care, it seemed impossible that the bill would reach the Senate floor. Senate Majority Leader Mike Mansfield took a novel approach to prevent the bill from being relegated to Judiciary Committee limbo. Having initially waived a second reading of the bill, which would have led to it being immediately referred to Judiciary, Mansfield gave the bill a second reading on February 26, 1964, and then proposed, in the absence of precedent for instances when a second reading did not immediately follow the first, that the bill bypass the Judiciary Committee and immediately be sent to the Senate floor for debate. Although this parliamentary move led to a brief filibuster, the senators eventually let it pass, preferring to concentrate their resistance on passage of the bill itself. The bill came before the full Senate for debate on March 30, 1964.

Shortly thereafter, the bill passed the Senate by a vote of 73-27, and quickly passed through the House-Senate conference committee, which adopted the Senate version of the bill. The conference bill was passed by both houses of Congress, and was signed into law by President Johnson on July 2, 1964. Legend has it that as he put down his pen Johnson told an aide, We have lost the South for a generation.[2]

[edit] Vote totals
Totals are in "Yes-No" format:

The original House version: 290-130 (69%-31%)
The Senate version: 73-27 (73%-27%)
The Senate version, as voted on by the House: 289-126 (70%-30%)

[edit] By party
The original House version:

Democratic Party: 153-96 (64%-39%)
Republican Party: 138-34 (80%-20%)

The Senate version:

Democratic Party: 46-22 (68%-32%)
Republican Party: 27-6 (82%-18%)

The Senate version, voted on by the House:

Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%-37%)
Republican Party: 136-35 (80%-20%)

[edit] By party and region
Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.

The original House version:

Southern Democrats: 7-87 (7%-93%)
Southern Republicans: 0-10 (0%-100%)
Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%-6%)
Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%-15%)
The Senate version:

Southern Democrats: 1-20 (5%-95%) (only Senator Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
Southern Republicans: 0-1 (0%-100%) (this was Senator John Tower of Texas)
Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%-2%) (only Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia opposed the measure)
Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%-16%) (Senators Bourke Hickenlooper of Iowa, Barry Goldwater of Arizona, Edwin L. Mechem of New Mexico, Milward L. Simpson of Wyoming, and Norris H. Cotton of New Hampshire opposed the measure)

Yes, I agree that things change. And the Democratic party got interested in African Americans AFTER they got the vote. Coincidence? I think not.
Figures McCain would pull something like this

Well I guess he saw how well it worked with the HC supporters (most giving their opinion that we need a woman in there, we are voting cos its time for a woman, etc, etc and some only voting for her only because she's a woman).  Guess he's so concerned with losing he'll stoop to anything.  Talk about calling the kettle black.  He proclaims Obama doesn't have the experience and he's young and new, and then he picks her?  She's not ready to step in as President, she doesn't have any experience whatsoever.  He's going to have a hard time explaining that one. 

Again it goes to show McCain is not in touch with the American people.  He picks a woman thinking that what all the women want, but luckily the women who supported Hillary are coming out saying we supported Hillary because of her position and viewpoints, not just because she was a women.  I just believe he has just lost any chance to win.     

She has no international experience, been governer less than 2 years and has no experience at anything.  Guess he's making it perfectly clear he wants a running mate who will never question him.  His ego is taking over and its going to sink him.  He'll need the Swift Boat Veterans to fish him out of the water.  Never mind her radical christian viewpoints.  Everything he's been attacking Obama for being, he has just picked a running mate who is all that.  How could he have gotten it so wrong?  Any chance I had of electing him flew out the window with that pick. 

Brother...he would have been better to choose Hillary as a running mate.  Hello President Obama.

All you have to do is look at the figures and when they started declining....
and 20 months is about right. This democratically controlled congress sat on their hands even when Greenspan was telling them they needed to tighten up on Freddie and fannie. Instead they made their hold on the housing market even bigger.
They failed to act to do anything about rising cost of fuel, went on freaking vacation rather than vote on energy bill. Not only do we need to vote in McCain/Palin, we need to clean up that viper pit that is Congress and finally start acting like adults and work together to clean up that viper pit. Only one candidate is talking about that, and it isn't yours.
If you don't have any figures to back up your statement....
just say so. Of all the catholic priests in this country, I have no idea what percentage have turned out to be sexual predators, but I am unwilling, without figures, to say it is disproporinately high.

Now in this post you have amended your position from disproproportinately high to a "little bit fishy."

Big difference in disproportionately high and "a little bit fishy." I think blindness refers more to an attitude which wants to ssume "disproportionately high" without some proof of that statement.

That is all I am saying.
The figures taken were from the US Treasury's website
Whether you want to believe it or not this info comes directly from the US Treasury website. You can't make up the figures no matter what political party you belong to.

I know lots of people were in love with Clinton and thought him to be a good president. I too voted for him the first time (after 2 months realized his agenda and got the heck out of the democrat party), but figures don't lie. I guess you didn't finish reading it because you didn't like that it favored the Clinton.

I just go by the facts and I don't care who it favors. I am one of the very few who want to know truth and would like some decent politicians.

Unfortunately we don't have any decent politicians - not one, nada.

They are all liars and crooks and thieves. It's just how they all spin everything.

As for Global warming? If you believe in that I guess you still believe the world is flat. That has been debunked by top scientist. Don't people get that. Scientists...people who have degrees. People who have studied climatology. People who are educated. They all say the earth is in a cooling trend, not warming. AL Gore has not studied this. He wrote a book filled with lies and misinformation and everyone who felt he was cheated out of the president (which even though I was against Bush know this isn't true), but feel sorry for the guy fine, but don't buy into his fantasies (just like he invented the internet and he and Tipper were the role models for the guy who wrote Love Story). Al Gore is a megalomaniac. You know, just cos your ice cube melts faster in your drink doesn't mean this is global warming. If it's global warming tell me then can you dispute these news articles:

Headline: Arab world shivers in unusual cold snap
Jordan's airport shut down by ice, other nations shiver as well - see link below

Headline: Anectodotal cold weather news from around the world - There continues to be a number of reports of colder than normal weather and seasons from around the globe. Here are a few. - see link below

Headline: Brrr! State braces for unusual cold - see link below

Headline: Unusual cold weather strains Argentina’s energy grid - see link below


Headline - Karachi shivers in unusual cold snap - see link below

Those are just a few. You have got to open your eyes and look at things objectively. Al Gore knows absolutely crapola about global warming. He has an agenda. He's becoming richer and richer off of the whole thing. He is benefitting from people buying "carbon credits". He invested big time in the company and gets kickbacks from all the suckers who believe it.

P.S. - I am certainly not going to take any advice telling me I have to cut back on energy when their driving around in SUVs, limos, fuel eating buses, and who knows how many planes.
All public figures are scrutinized, especially

presidents because they supposedly represent we, the people. It's not just O that is being scrutinized. Past presidents were too, along with movie stars, sports figures, you name it. If you have a big name, are in the public eye, you will have your life spread all over the media.

Well, you said you had a busy day
not had time to turn on the TV yet. This is all over the networks.
Well, it's just another one of our busy
conversations! She seriously needs to find something to do with her life besides run down good people. She is hilarious!

 I have seen pictures on all the cable news stations of the women in their Birkas and the Taliban striding by with their AK47s. The stories go The Taliban is back, stronger and more organized than ever. The president of Afghanistan is resigning one term was enough. The opium trade has done better this year than any year previously.  I pick this stuff up everywhere, TV, radio, magazines...

As for Lamont, do I think his win means everything will change? Of course not. What it meant and what it emphasized was the presence and strength  of grassroots organizations, blogs. For some of us this is the only power we have.  For some people they can vote in every election and their vote will never count. If you are in a definite, forever and ever amen red or blue state, if you are the opposite color your vote will not count ever. Your states votes will go to the same party it has always gone to.  The Lamont win gives us some hope that we the people can vote again and have it count, not to mention just be counted...but that is another story. Secondly it put the spotlight on the fact that people are really sick of this war and the incompetent way it has been handled.  The war will be a big issue in 2008.

Rabid hatred of Bush...I feel nothing towards Bush at all. He is a benign, hapless puppet. He pretty much does what he is told by his handlers. Now, Rove, Cheney...there are 2 fat bald guys I really dislike.

But where is the proof? sm
Where is the proof that a Republican president raped anyone?  The fact is, I never heard those stories.  The burden of proof is on the person making he accusations.
Once again...proof that no one
wishes to make an actual list just to see how very little experience Obama has.  So just keep spatting about Palin and ignoring the fact that Obama has less experience.  Such denial.
Here is the proof...........sm
Obama’s Comprehensive Tax Policy Plan for America will:

* Cut taxes for 95 percent of workers and their families with a tax cut of $500 for workers or $1,000 for working couples.
* Provide generous tax cuts for low- and middle-income seniors, homeowners, the uninsured, and families sending a child to college or looking to save and accumulate wealth.
* Eliminate capital gains taxes for small businesses, cut corporate taxes for firms that invest and create jobs in the United States, and provide tax credits to reduce the cost of healthcare and to reward investments in innovation.
* Dramatically simplify taxes by consolidating existing tax credits, eliminating the need for millions of senior citizens to file tax forms, and enabling as many as 40 million middle-class Americans to do their own taxes in less than five minutes without an accountant.

"I think we're going to need a second stimulus. Part of my commitment is to make sure that the stimulus includes a tax cut for 95 percent of working Americans. It may be the first bill I introduce."


the Tax Foundation estimates that there will be 47 million tax returns with zero income tax liability in 2009 under current law. That's one-third of all tax returns, and those 47 million tax returns represent 96 million individuals.

So here we have roughly 1/3 of all tax returns with zero tax liability and Obama's own words saying that he will give 95% of working Americans a tax cut. Sounds to me like folks paying no income tax will get a tax refund. Satisfied?
you can look up the proof yourself - its there
you just don't want to because you agree with them.

Facts are facts.

And yes, I am too busy to do your research.
WHAT proof do you have, that this what you are
saying is REALLY the truth and that it will really be like that?

HOW do you REALLY know that YOUR religion is the ONLY right one?

Please explain to me!


I believe he's a dem, but have no proof. SM
He's always played his politics pretty close to his chest. Heck, even when he ran for Prez he tried to get onto both tickets. Of course, it may be own stereotyping of industry type folks, but he just seems a democrat to me.
I believe he's a dem, but have no proof. SM
He's always played his politics pretty close to his chest. Heck, even when he ran for Prez he tried to get onto both tickets. Of course, it may be own stereotyping of industry type folks, but he just seems a democrat to me.
And you don't have any proof he isn't
And you don't have any proof otherwise
Do you have more recent figures, and what is this source, if you do not mind? and..
and again, if you will actually read my posts before attacking, I said we had more social programs than others...I would also like to know if they are comparing apples to apples...meaning countries the same size as ours with the same population as ours. You also quoted from 2001. I am sure the number of people in worst-off houses increased...they probably had more children. Does not make sense to me to have more children when you are already struggling to feed those you have. But that is what the welfare system in this country encourages. When you have second and third generation families on welfare, there is something WRONG with the system. Again...read what I actually post and then come with your rebuttal, and come with a rebuttal that has substance and not cut and paste from some old statistics (probably Wikipedia, right?).
Moores facts/figures from US info

This same old argument was brought up on Oprah when Moore, a lobbyiest for insurance companies and a professor who is for universal healthcare for all were on her show.  In fact, they even invited CEOs/representatives from the top insurance companies but none would even talk to Lisa Ling.  Moore stated, once again, that his figures/facts come directly from the US figures/facts and the facts used to argue against him come from insurance company facts.  He stated to go to his web site and the information would be there.

I sit back and laugh..if a republican had thought up universal healthcare or was a pioneer on global warming, the right wing would be behind it 100% but since these are essentially positions hardworking thinking caring democrats back, the radical right wing is going to fight these issues no matter what.

I dont care if you call it socialized medicine, which is a knee jerk response..just what is socialized medicine?  What the Congress has?  Then give it to me.  I most certainly would rather have a universal healthplan, backed by our government, than no insurance at all.  To me it is a no brainer.  I would rather have a little bit of medical care and medicines than no medical care and no medicines.


Your figures just further validate Taiga's post.
She said, "Actually the vote went by geography rather than party lines as is obvious below."  Your figures support that statement.
Obviously you didn't read the whole article. Figures....sm
That's why I usually use non-Fox links, so the demmies will "try" to read with open mind....lol....or maybe not.....whatever.....ciao
Figures. Eventually, there's name calling from you. Twice. You must be proud. nm

Yeah, figures that Hollywood is almost all democrat
O's plan is WELFARE, figures you dems want that
Figures....if you can't address the problem...deflect.
What possible difference does what Bush did make? That was then, this is now. We are in a huge financial crisis (largely brought on by Democrats in congress blissfully ignoring the looming housing crisis and the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac debacle...yet you want to trust them now that we are up to our eyeballs drowning in debt with more on the way). Bush did not spend a much in 8 years as Obama has spent in...oh wait...how many WEEKS? Good grief!!!!! Don't you even WONDER how he possibly hopes to recoup all this?

Gracious enough to grant him more time? To do WHAT? Triple my taxes about the time the economy straightens out? If you think taxing the "rich" will fix this...get out your calculator and try again.

Look...I don't want to fight with anyone, but I do not understand the total blindless being exhibited here, when the microscope was used to examine Bush. Take that same microscope and start examining Obama...if you can.
Well, I guess she figures if whichever cheating...
husband Republican used state funds to meet his mistress she could use federal funds to shop. I'm sure in the world of politics that seems fair tit for tat. LOL!! Sigh.

If we are going to investigate everybody why aren't we investigating John Edwards to see if he used campaign funds to meet his mistress? How do we know for sure Bill wasn't using tax funds...well heck, he WAS. We were paying him to run the country, not have leave stains on Monica's dress. Geeez!! lol.
Sam too busy hanging out at tit-for-tat
She's too busy rolling them!
Seriously though, I think it all depends on your views (no pun intended) who you like or don't like on that show or elsewhere for that matter. I happen to like Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity, democrats hate them.