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At least the moron (a.k.a. the international embarassment) is gone. nm

Posted By: We've had change on 2009-04-12
In Reply to: Takes Americans a while, but they are starting to - see is is just a politician. "Change" just a

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embarassment to women?
I'm a woman and not embarassed, that would be your opinion. There were plenty of more qualified democratic candidates also but look who we got, Barack Obama.
International Red Cross


Red Cross Described 'Torture' at CIA Jails


Secret Report Implies That U.S. Violated International Law







   






















Washington Post Staff Writers
Monday, March 16, 2009; Page A01



The International Committee of the Red Cross concluded in a secret report that the Bush administration's treatment of al-Qaeda captives "constituted torture," a finding that strongly implied that CIA interrogation methods violated international law, according to newly published excerpts from the long-concealed 2007 document.



The report, an account alleging physical and psychological brutality inside CIA "black site" prisons, also states that some U.S. practices amounted to "cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment." Such maltreatment of detainees is expressly prohibited by the Geneva Conventions.


The findings were based on an investigation by ICRC officials, who were granted exclusive access to the CIA's "high-value" detainees after they were transferred in 2006 to the U.S. detention camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The 14 detainees, who had been kept in isolation in CIA prisons overseas, gave remarkably uniform accounts of abuse that included beatings, sleep deprivation, extreme temperatures and, in some cases, waterboarding, or simulating drowning.


At least five copies of the report were shared with the CIA and top White House officials in 2007 but barred from public release by ICRC guidelines intended to preserve the humanitarian group's strict policy of neutrality in conflicts. A copy of the report was obtained by Mark Danner, a journalism professor and author who published extensive excerpts in the April 9 edition of the New York Review of Books, released yesterday. He did not say how he obtained the report.


"The ill-treatment to which they were subjected while held in the CIA program, either singly or in combination, constituted torture," Danner quoted the report as saying.


Many of the details of alleged mistreatment at CIA prisons had been reported previously, but the ICRC report is the most authoritative account and the first to use the word "torture" in a legal context.


The CIA declined to comment. A U.S. official familiar with the report said, "It is important to bear in mind that the report lays out claims made by the terrorists themselves."


Often using the detainee's own words, the report offers a harrowing view of conditions at the secret prisons, where prisoners were told they were being taken "to the verge of death and back," according to one excerpt. During interrogations, the captives were routinely beaten, doused with cold water and slammed head-first into walls. Between sessions, they were stripped of clothing, bombarded with loud music, exposed to cold temperatures, and deprived of sleep and solid food for days on end. Some detainees described being forced to stand for days, with their arms shackled above them, wearing only diapers.



 

"On a daily basis . . . a collar was looped around my neck and then used to slam me against the walls of the interrogation room," the report quotes detainee Tawfiq bin Attash, also known as Walid Muhammad bin Attash, as saying. Later, he said, he was wrapped in a plastic sheet while cold water was "poured onto my body with buckets." He added: "I would be wrapped inside the sheet with cold water for several minutes. Then I would be taken for interrogation."


ICRC officials did not dispute the authenticity of the excerpts, but a spokesman expressed dismay over the leak of the material. "We regret information attributed to the ICRC report was made public in this manner," spokesman Bernard Barrett said.


"The ICRC has been visiting the detainees formerly held by the CIA," he added, "at Guantanamo since 2006. Any concerns or observations the ICRC had when visiting the detainees are part of a confidential dialogue."


President George W. Bush acknowledged the use of coercive interrogation tactics on senior al-Qaeda captives detained by the CIA in the aftermath of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, but he insisted that the measures complied with U.S. and international law. Former CIA director Michael V. Hayden confirmed last year that the measures included the use of waterboarding on three captives before 2003.


President Obama outlawed such practices within hours of his inauguration in January. But Obama has expressed reluctance to conduct a legal inquiry into the CIA's policies.



The report gives a graphic account of the treatment of Zayn al-Abidin Muhammed Hussein, better known as Abu Zubaida, a Saudi-born Palestinian who was the first alleged senior al-Qaeda operative seized after Sept. 11 -- a characterization of his role that is disputed by his attorneys, who describe him as having a different philosophy of jihad than bin Laden.


Abu Zubaida was severely wounded during a shootout in March 2002 at a safe house he ran in Faisalabad, Pakistan, and survived thanks to CIA-arranged medical care, including multiple surgeries. After he recovered, Abu Zubaida describes being shackled to a chair at the feet and hands for two to three weeks in a cold room with "loud, shouting type music" blaring constantly, according to the ICRC report. He said that he was questioned two to three hours a day and that water was sprayed in his face if he fell asleep.


At some point -- the timing is unclear from the New York Review of Books report -- Abu Zubaida's treatment became harsher. In July 2002, administration lawyers approved more aggressive techniques.


Abu Zubaida said interrogators wrapped a towel around his neck and slammed him into a plywood wall mounted in his cell. He was also repeatedly slapped in the face, he said. After the beatings, he was placed in coffinlike wooden boxes in which he was forced to crouch, with no light and a restricted air supply, he said.


"The stress on my legs held in this position meant my wounds both in my leg and stomach became very painful," he told the ICRC.


After he was removed from a small box, he said, he was strapped to what looked like a hospital bed and waterboarded. "A black cloth was then placed over my face and the interrogators used a mineral bottle to pour water on the cloth so that I could not breathe," Abu Zubaida said.


After breaks to allow him to recover, the waterboarding continued.


"I struggled against the straps, trying to breathe, but it was hopeless," he said. "I though I was going to die."


"Central international bank" = sm
One-world currency. Interesting.
Violation of International law for starters, Louise
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Amnesty International's press release on Lebanon....sm
http://web.amnesty.org/pages/lbn-220805-feature-eng
No, it isn't, you moron.

It was the title that the poster GAVE IT.


This idiot poster was referring to something another idiot said on the radio and added that SHE AGREED WITH IT, showing her ignorance.


Keep your stupidity and hatred on the Conservative board.  I can't understand why the administrator allows you people to post the CRAP that you do.


The American left is dancing on the graves of the New Orleans dead





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Posted By: vs on 2005-09-09,

A radio talk show host just said that...and I agree. This is the big story the left was looking for to TRY and nail Bush. Well, I hope they can live with their collective conscience that is if they even have one. I'm starting to believe they don't.


Not only that...SHE'S A MORON
We've got to, We've got to, We've got to.......repeat, repeat, repeat. Who is she trying to convince? We the people or herself?
Only if that moron perceives it to have been a

Well, the moron cut millions to the...
Army Corp of Engineers so they couldn't shore up the levies. He cut funding to most infrastructure in the entire US that was designed to protect us. Um, we were attacked on Bush's watch and the retard PROMISED he would get Bin Laden - so the blame lies with him. Quit being so juvenile........your argument is lame. BTW, WTH did he spend more than $10 trillion on after he cut funding and jammed all those agencies into Homeland Security? And hired pony judges to run it? He sure didn't spend it on our troops who are killing themselves left and right. What a legacy!! He can't even HIRE someone to write his memoirs!
Joe Biden is a moron.
It still amazes me how people attacked Sarah Palin like they did and Joe Biden is a complete moron.  Talk about Joe getting a free pass while people literally tried to destroy Palin, her family, etc.  I'm surprised Obama is letting Joe talk to anyone really. 
Only a moron would say Palin is smart because sm
you don't know any better and do not possess the mental skills to discern how inept Palin is.

Take Responsibility - You Voted for the moron...
Mr. Mission Accomplished - I'm the Decider - YEAH! So far, the worst president in US history............keep whining, it's as entertaining as a Viagra commercial!
by moron, are you thinking Obama?
He duh'd and uh'd yesterday through his town meeting.

When he said he wouldn't be bringing jobs back from offshore because they were the jobs nobody wanted. WHAT A STUPID THING TO SAY! Try telling that to all the engineers, IT specialists and medical transcriptionists.

He's been hanging around Biden too long.
YOU BROKE THE TRUCE, YOU FRIGGING MORON!

In case you're not aware, you are on the LIBERAL BOARD.  How can she blow a truce if she is on the LIBERAL BOARD, not visiting the conservative board, but YOU REFUSE TO LEAVE THE LIBERAL BOARD?  YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS BREAKING THE TRUCE, YOU IDIOT.


As far as being respectful, you simply don't know the meaning of the word.


I didn't say anyone's a moron for voting for dems,
voted for someONE or someTHING in the past, and you weren't happy with the result, and you vote for that same person, or party, or platform, or yada yada, AGAIN, then that would probably put you in the intellectually deficient category.
Majority wanted Hitler, too, moron.
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Karl Rove -- why isn't this moron in jail yet? (sm)

Yep, he has refused to show for yet another subpoena, this time because Bush seemingly wrote a letter 4 days before leaving office saying he didn't have to show up?  Give me a break!  This guy is such a crook and needs to be put under the jail.  I hope they fry him.  I wonder what would happen to any of us who refused to show up for a subpoena.....about 3 or 4 times, that is.


http://www.newsweek.com/id/182240/?gt1=43002


So we've traded 'the moron'
for a snake oil salesman.  How exactly was this an improvement?  BTW, you do realize Bush was not running against Obama, right?
LOL, and you call us hateful! You got stupid, moron and the list goes on in there. nm

Please learn English - bestest not a word, you MORON
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wow, ignoramus, moron...REAL tolerant Melissa. Not. nm

Michael Moron is always good for a belly-laugh.
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