Because the bailout is a corrupt piece of
Posted By: paper.............sm on 2008-10-03
In Reply to: The stock market went from +250 to -150 after the vote. nm - Interesting
Most people do not even realize that HALF that money they are stealing from us is going DIRECTLY to foreign investors, i.e., the China
2-step......read up on it. Better yet, I'll send a link... sickens me to no end!!!!!
http://www.carnegieendowment.org/publications/index.cfm?fa=view&id=234
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Obama is most definitely corrupt.
I agree....you should have seen Glen Beck last night. Barack Obama is not the person who should be president. The very idea of him being president terrifies me.
Rich does not mean corrupt........
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No, but Illinois citizens are so used to corrupt
even this guy has suddenly made them stand up and take notice...... what a sorry crook! He'd probably sell his mother for a buck.
All this corruption is fueled by the corrupt
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The problem is corrupt organizations
When you have organizations outside city hall going out on the streets and registering people, even the homeless and even those names who are deceased, this sets up a perfect storm for voter fraud. Now, when you have a group such as ACORN which has already had many members indicted of voter fraud, continuing to do this, this will continue to happen.
Matter of fact, over 2500 proven voter fraud registrations have been proven in Indiana as of today. And there will be many many more to come. Democratic election officials are calling them out on this, unlike the "pubs" some ignorant on this board want to believe. Their own democratic officials are blowing the whistle on this and do not understand why this is not being investigated. Corruption all the way to the top is why it is not being investigated. They are now finding this in several other states where ACORN sends out folks, anyone, to coerce people into voting, even if they have already voted.
But those wanting Obama in office do not care that this is taking place, because they know if they want him in office, fradulent voters will have to get him there.
Corrupt Obama caught in the act.
How's this for abuse of power?
While in the Illinois State Senate, Barack Obama sure seems to have played footloose and fancy free with the taxpayer's money, to the benefit of his own circle of family and friends.
A $25,000 grant to his first cousin.
$100,000 for a garden for one of his campaign workers
$100,000 for Father Pflager to badmouth Hillary Clinton from his pulpit.
$75,000 to FORUM, a group who helped Obama pay off the debt from his failed 2000 Senate race.
Yeah, THIS is the guy I'm going to trust with 'changing' the way government does business. 
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=6BA619B2-88A2-4245-8617-AA0A07F47068
Poll: Which is the most corrupt state?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/14/weekinreview/14marsh.html?ref=us
Illinois Is Trying. It Really Is. But the Most Corrupt State Is Actually . . .
3 different criteria based on verifiable facts were used: Convicted public officials, conviction per million residents per year and reporter scores. Illinois failed to make even the top 5, coming in at 7, 22 and 10 respectively.
ND says the only thing corrupt is the story...
N.D. says the only thing corrupt is the story
http://www.bismarcktribune.com.....171625.txt
Dec 12, 2008 - 04:05:31 CST
By BRIAN DUGGAN
Bismarck Tribune
First Illinois. Now North Dakota.
Plenty of head scratching was happening at the state Capitol on Thursday after USA Today ran a story with the headline: "North Dakota tops analysis of corruption."
Where's Illinois federal prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald when you need him?
The story found that, based on the 53 federal public corruption convictions between 1998 and 2007 in North Dakota, there were 8.3 convictions per 100,000 people in the state - the most in the nation. Illinois had 3.9 per 100,000, according to the story, ranking it 18th overall.
A little context: North Dakota has about 640,000 people. Illinois has 12.8 million and 502 federal corruption convictions between 1998 and 2007.
As for North Dakota's company in USA Today's analysis: At No. 2 is Louisiana, with 7.7 convictions per 100,000 people, home to disgraced Democratic Rep. William Jefferson. And No. 3 is Alaska, with 7.5 convictions per 100,000 people, home to the recently convicted Republican Sen. Ted Stevens.
Attorney General Wayne Stenehjem called the article "patently ridiculous" on Thursday, adding among the most recent examples of high-profile federal convictions in North Dakota are the six Twin Butte school district members convicted of misusing school funds.
"I think everyone would agree that a group of local school board officials is far different than a governor accused of selling a U.S. Senate seat," said Stenehjem, referring to Gov. Rod Blagojevich, who federal authorities arrested on Tuesday for trying to profit off of President-elect Obama's vacated Senate seat.
He's the second Illinois governor to wind up with federal charges this decade.
As for the article in USA Today: "This is what happens when you have somebody who takes statistics and doesn't do any analysis or comparison or puts anything into context," Stenehjem said.
While U.S. Attorney Drew Wrigley was unavailable for comment Thursday, other state officials expressed their confusion over the corruption article.
"You gotta be kidding me," Secretary of State AL Jaeger said. "Boy, I've lived here all my life. I can't think of anybody who's been nailed for something."
Russell Mokhiber, Editor of the weekly Washington-based newsletter Corporate Crime Reporter, said his organization ran a similar story in 2004 that pegged North Dakota as a hotbed of public corruption, with 45 federal convictions between 1993 and 2002.
Columnist and former Lt. Gov. Lloyd Omdahl responded with a column in 2004 critical of the newsletter's finding, writing that many of those federal convictions stemmed from American Indian reservations, based on a letter he received from the state's U.S attorney.
"First of all, Indian reservation are not state entities, nor are they political subdivisions of the state, so employees of casinos are not public officials engaged in official public duties," Omdahl wrote.
In the Corporate Crime Reporter's 2007 report, Mokhiber said his newsletter only included the 35 most populated states because of the statistical unfairness on sparsely populated states like North Dakota. The report found that Louisiana, followed by Mississippi and Kentucky, are the country's most corrupt states.
"We learned from our mistake when we crunched our numbers," he said. "What your columnist wrote we took to heart; we agree that North Dakota is not the most corrupt state."
Dana Harsell, a University of North Dakota political science professor, said calculating corruption on a per capita basis isn't exactly fair for states like North Dakota.
"I'm not sure if it gives a true measure of the extent of corruption," Harsell said. "We have one of the most accessible open-access laws in the country."
As for corrupt North Dakota state officials, State Historical Society Editor Kathy Davidson could think of one outstanding North Dakota politician: Gov. William Langer.
He was convicted of federal corruption charges in the early 1930s for diverting federal funds to political matters. He was later exonerated of the charges, re-elected to the governor's office in 1935 and went on to the U.S. Senate and served there until 1959.
So what happened since then? "We've just got boringly honest," Davidson said.
(Reach reporter Brian Duggan at 223-8482 or brian.duggan@;bismarcktribune.com.)
GE corrupt and makes Watergate
http://www.foxnews.com/oreilly/
The O'Reilly Factor.
Will GE get paid for supporting President Obama. GE owns NBC is very aggressive for supporting Obama in the election and now attacking his critics and so on.
It'll only be a disaster (I HOPE!) for all the corrupt
it'll also be a 'disaster' for all the unscrupulous companies in the US that send our work to India. That kind of a 'disaster' has been long awaited, and eagerly anticipated.
US MTSO's better start re-thinking their pay scales, because hopefully their 'sacred' cash-cow (India) is about to run out o' milk.
Corrupt liberal democrat Governor arrested.
Of course no surprise here. Why is it every day we see nothing but corrupt liberal after corrupt liberal? This is good though. Why can't liberals just be honest? It only supports the theory that liberals are mentally derranged.
Seems no one wants a piece of Hillary :)
GOP Challenger to Sen. Clinton Quits Race
By Chris Cillizza Special to The Washington Post
Thursday, December 22, 2005; Page A05
Westchester County District Attorney Jeanine Pirro (R) ended her campaign against New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton on Wednesday, bringing to a close a brief and decidedly rocky attempt to unseat perhaps the country's most famous Democratic officeholder.
Even as she announced she would shutter her campaign against Clinton, Pirro jumped into the state attorney general's contest. A recent independent poll showed her trailing the two Democrats seeking that office.
In a statement released by her campaign, Pirro said her law enforcement background better qualifies me for a race for New York State Attorney General than a race for the United States Senate.
Pirro's exit leaves the Republicans adrift for now, with only two obscure candidates vying for the nomination: former Yonkers mayor John Spencer and tax lawyer William Brenner.
From the start of Pirro's Senate campaign in mid-August, she was beset by questions about her fundraising ability and readiness for such a high-profile contest.
Pirro is the second Republican to drop a bid against Clinton, who is seeking a second Senate term next November. New York City lawyer Ed Cox, the son-in-law of President Richard M. Nixon, left the contest Oct. 16 when New York Gov. George E. Pataki (R) announced his support for Pirro.
We know at some point the Republicans will sort out this process and choose a nominee, Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson said.
Cillizza is a washingtonpost.com staff writer.
Again, it is a piece of jewelry
I just don't get it.
And C. Matthews is one sorry piece of
He is definitely being paid by the DNC and paid well. He is trash.
No need to freak out over BBC piece.
That is was an opinion piece? Also, check out the author. Peter Wehner, former deputy assistant to George Bush. The main trust of the article is Iraq and foreign policy. It comes as no suprise that BBC would publish BOTH sides to the election story and especially when it comes to posting opinions that would appeal to a certain segment of their own population. England. Part of the original coalition. They lost soldiers in Iraq just like we did. Also, they have a rather impressive history of imperialial colonialism and I have no doubt that conservative viewpoints such as this have appeal to some of the stodgier among them.
CNN hit piece on Tea Party sm
At nearly 2 minutes into this clip, listen to this woman let CNN toady Susan Roesgen have it. She is brilliant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd2tg8gxCDU&feature=player_embedded
What do you know about me? What an arrogant piece of work you are.
Guess what, we went to school and work our butts off and pay for everything we have. We're not rich either. But I don't hold disdain for those who made it bigger than I. It's a free country.
I posted the Chickenhawk piece.
The author is in the very last line. I got it from his website.
Lovely piece of garbage.
Thanks for the confirmation. Here ladies and gentlemen is a classic example of bureaucratic professional. Where does it show that he has military experience, field experience? In essence by placing this post, you're saying that because he is highly educated (and that doesn't necessarily transpose to the highly intelligent), afforded certain posts in government, that is all that is required to take over and manage a country under insurgency? Hum....
So Armitage's principles weren't good enough for you?
Of course you take things at face value. I don't think you have asked a valid question yet. If you didn't take things at face value, I believe you would have more questions. But it seems that all you have are answers. Another hum....Perhaps, it is just a matter of who's face you're looking at isn't it?
Now, you go and have a nice day!
She's a real piece of work that one
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Read it again. It is an opinion piece...
written by a black minister. He is entitled to his opinion and I don't believe has been called a discredited liar. This has nothing to do with the McCain camp. You might want to actually read a post before the drive-by "They're all liars" campaign strategy.
And y'now, Obama is not in ANY position to call anyone else a liar. He lied about his vote on giving medical care to babies who survive abortion. He voted against it. He actually voted that the child should be left to die. He then said if a bill had come to the floor that was worded like the federal bill he would have voted for it. Such a bill DID go to the floor of the Illinois state senate and he voted against it. It is a matter of public record. He voted against the bill to save babies who survived abortion TWICE...basically said deny them care and let them die. He is so invested in abortion rights that he would not vote for common human decency in case it might affect abortion rights. That is sick, sick, SICK. Basically his campaign has owned up to the fact that he was untruthful. So I would not be posting calling the other side liars...
Do you have anything but an opinion piece to substantiate this?
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NYTimes = liberal hit piece...no thanks
Haha... ain't she a piece of work?
Excellent piece and funny too. nm
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There seems to be a piece of logic that has escaped you.
Hawaii DOES hold the authentic after all? Wouldn't that simply confirm that he was born in Hawaii?
After reading the piece of trash lurking behind your link, my head was spinning as I attempted to count how many times Andy the anti-Obama lunatic Martin referred to "I", "mine", and "my" in his statement. Do you not recognize a megalomaniac in the midst of trying to justify his frivolous lawsuit and vindicate his own delusions of grandeur in his claims being the smartest attorney on the face of the earth?
This is the same guy who is trying to assert that Frank Marshall Davis is the REAL biological father of Obama. You expecting to see that on on the "real, typewritten, long version" of the secret Hawaiian BC? If that were the case, then what was Obama Sr's visit with Obama all about? How about the Kenyan grandmother and brother who fringe pubs falsely claim witnessed his birth in Kenya? So Aunti Zeituni isn't REALLY his Aunti Zeituni after all? She's yesterday's news, now that you have conjured up another, more desperate smear?
Your hate machine is imploding all over itself under the weight of its own lies. If you don't get a grip on yourself, the next legal action down the pipe just may be your own state commitment papers.
This is an opinion piece from a graduate of
Will not be accepting this as gospel without further resarch and investigation. My gut's telling me somebody somewhere is trying to serve a partisan agenda. Pardon me while I go check a few facts, read the bill for myself and get a few more viewpoints before buying into this hook, line and sinker.
That piece didn't look like it was meant as comedy.
If it was, I apologize. I guess I totally missed it. Must be my weak mind. 
a bold, fresh piece of opinion
Karl Rove - too smart by half. He came up with the brillant idea to aid the corporate republicans by manipulating the low-information voters who live their lives by unexamined slogans, prejudices, and fear-based principles. This worked for a while -- as shown by not only the election but the REelection of George W. However, he did not anticipate that this large, unruly group would actually take over the republican party and elevate the unexceptional -- i.e, Sara Palin and Joe the Plumber, to hero status. Their thinking being, "I are smart enough to run this here country, so why not Sara Palin - she are one like me!" Just imagine -- I savor this image - the faces of the corporate repubs - Mitten Romney, Rudy-the-911, George HR, etc., when they realized that the group they wished to control to do their bidding against their very own self interests had coopted the party!! I love it.
She's a real piece of work - see message
Being in the military, when we talked to subordinates we called them by their title (SGT Smith, Private Smith, etc). When we talked to our superiors we addressed them as sir or ma'am. Sir and ma'am are signs of respect.
So not only is she arrogant, but she is ignorant too.
The general I believe had several options (replies) here are some:
1. "Excuse me, I didn't really hear you say that, did I?"
2. "Sir and ma'am are titles we use as a sign of respect. If you don't want me to respect you fine, Ms. Boxer".
3. "I am a General in the United States military. You will not tell me what and what not to call you".
4. "This is not why I'm here. You really need to play your power-hungry games on others, but don't waste my time".
5. "Where is your boss. You evidently need to be removed if you believe your title is more important than the reason I am here answering these questions".
6. "Okay, Senator Twottyface".
Or better yet he should have stood up and said to the board members. I will be back to answer your questions when you have someone competent to ask them.
She is just rude and ignorant and her boss should have called her aside and reprimanded her for being so stoopid and making them look like a bunch of idiots. I too have no idea how she keeps getting voted. She needs to be at the top to get fired too.
Ah just that pesky little piece of paper called the Constitution. n/m
He has shown a short-form fraud piece of garbage. I
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Bailout
"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of our money, frist by inflation and then by deflation; the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks) will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered"
-President Thomas Jefferson
here's your bailout
I think that all the CEOs of the big three along with all their members of the board and whatnot, all the big wigs, that have made millions screwing people over for years and years should dip into their OWN pockets and sell a few houses, cancel a few vacations, cash in a few money markets and get their own companies out of debt. Then, when the books are balanced, the people who have been making 80,000 a year to push a button should take a pay cut and NOT go on strike and live like the rest of real America. Then they should be fine.
Bailout
if they fail, do you realize it would affect everyone. Millions of jobs in the auto industry alone. If people don't have jobs, they can't spend money anywhere. Stores will start to close, etc. It will affect everyone.
Bailout
I totally agree 1000% with your analysis - the only time these greedy CEO's give a hoot about us is when they see their profits increase. You can bet your last five cents that if one of us went to them asking for money - they would call the police!! It would be interesting to see the salaries of CEO's in Europe as opposed to what these guys continually fleece us for... 
About That First Bailout
Do you remember who told us "we had to act now or we might face dooms day (sic)" with all that bailout money? It was Hank Paulsen and George Bush. We may as well have flushed that first TARP payment down the toilet. There was no accountability, and no one knows where all that money went.
At least the present stimulus package has accountability built into it and some limits as to what can and can't be done with the money.
the bailout IS making
the US a socialist country - compliments of your beloved GWB and McPalin. congratulations you got your wish.
No Bailout for the rich
Say no to the bailout. The FBI is investigating all of these companies for criminal mortgage fraud.
Why the rush for the bailout
There Is No Crisis--Summary by: Chris BowersTue Sep 23, 2008 at 16:22
Things are getting a little suspicious about this crisis.
1) Why did the Bush administration suddenly declare a crisis during the final two weeks when Congress would be in session during his presidency? Is it maybe because, after the election, Congress would know it wasn't dealing with Bush anymore?
2) If this is such a sudden crisis, why is it that the Bush administration was drawing up the plan for this bill for months beforehand?
3) Why is it that Congress is supposed to bail out many banks and firms that are actually quite successful and profitable right now, and not just those that are failing?
4) Why is Paulson blatantly lying to Congress about oversight?
5) Where did the $700 billion figure come from?
6) Why is Paulson urging that debate on the matter be held after the legislation is passed?The burden of proof should always be placed on those who are demanding a huge government bailout, not upon those who are skeptical that one is needed. And yet the questions keep mounting, with no answers in sight.
I am not saying that there is no need for government intervention. I am saying that the case for a $700 billion bailout is far from having been made. Until the case is made, there is no need to go forward. We will elect a new President in 42 days. We swear in a new Congress in 103 days. What is the rush? Why does this all of a sudden need to be done while the Bush administration is still in charge? The case hasn't been made, and answers are slow in coming, if they come at all. Chris Bowers :: There Is No Crisis--Summary
I don't agree with the bailout
We have some savings, but we still live paycheck-to-paycheck, not wanting to touch the savings. I really don't agree that we taxpayers should have to fund this. I think that the higher ups that walked away with 100s of thousands or even millions should have to pay for this. Charge them with fraud and make them give it back. I certainly don't feel I've put anyone in this situation and therefore don't feel I should have to pay for it.
only 24% of us support the bailout
Yesterday it was reported only 24% of Americans support the bailout, 56% are opposed so 20% have no opinion. Senators' and reps' offices were flooded with calls and emails all day asking that the bailout be opposed. And I was one of those. Everyone should be contacting their own reps to express their opinions. That's they only way they will know what the people want.
Yes, and how about the bailout, ACORN, and
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Well.....look at it this way....if they don't push this bailout...
there are folks who know "where the bodies are buried." There is probably so much we DON'T know about all this...and yes, it is disgusting. Dodd and Frank, if they had an ounce of integrity, would apologize to the American people and resign. Pelosi, if SHE had an ounce of integrity, would demand it. So far John McCain is the ONLY one who has said someone should resign, and that was Christopher Cox, the Republican head of the SEC. He SHOULD resign. So should the treasury secretary, Paulson. Every member of that committee that voted back in 2006 to kill the bill McCain co-sponsored should resign. They should all be investigated criminally as well as far as I am concerned. I know the FBI is looking at Fannie/Freddie but talk about a day late and dollar short after Raines, Johnson, Howard, and Gorelick raped the American public for millions.
You're right. They should ALL have to go and start over.
SNL skit on the bailout. sm
Funny but sad because it is true.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/37758/saturday-night-live-c-span-bailout#s-p1-st-i1
TheSmokingGun/bailout
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/1007083aig1.html
AIG spa trip, right after gov. bailout approved. This is disgusting.
Not a bailout, entirely voluntary (nm
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I think we MT's need a bonus and a bailout!
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Again, I don't think the problem is the bailout itself, (sm)
but rather the way it's used, which right now leaves a lot to be desired. As far as the rest of the country being screwed, well that's coming either way. We have 2 choices--we can either do nothing, lose millions of jobs and go into a full-blown depression; or we can take a chance with bailing them out (preferably with stipulations) and owe a lot of money. I think my preference would be to pay more taxes if need be, but still have a job so I could feed my family instead of not being able to do either of the above.
But, the first bailout passed because
the dems had the majority of votes. Am I right or did I lose my mind? DON"T ANSWER THAT QUESTION, PLEASE. LOL
Bailout dies in Senate.........sm
It's over, at least for this year. I don't know, and the article did not state, whether there will be more talks after the first of the year.
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE4B50CL20081212?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews
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