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Bush speech on terror, followed by *surprise* terror alert. Whaaaaaaaaat?

Posted By: Libby on 2005-10-06
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Bush took to TV cameras again to try to sell his Brooklyn Bridge of a war, this time tossing around buzz words like *communism* and *fascism.*  (Yawn)


But wait!!


Within a couple hours, during a televised news conference with Mayor Bloomberg, it was announced that evidence of a bomb threat specific to place, time and method had been received and that the source was very credible. (First thought: *But I thought were were fighting them there so we don't have to fight them HERE.*  Second thought: *This is bad.  We've been warned in advance of this.  Look what happened when we were warned in advance about Katrina?!*)


Yikes!


But wait!


Shortly following that news conference with Mayor Bloomberg, the powers that be in Washington issued a statement that the  threat has doubtful credibility.


Oh.


Okay.  Just another terror warning in America......or not.





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The war on terror is a war without end
It can never be "won," and will not be effective without drastic revamping that will involve global cooperation among many countries, not some "bring 'em on" cowboy mentality.

If we want to regain ANY of the respect we have lost over these last 8 years, we must start with walking the walk and talking the talk...with consistency. Without that, there will be no credibility.
War on terror --

Am I the only one to find this statement absurd:


  • Terror: Asked in a TV interview why he hasn"t used the oft-repeated "war on terror" phrase coined by the Bush administration, President Barack Obama said he believes the United States can win over moderate Muslims if he chooses his words carefully.

  • He wants to make friends with people who have taken the lives of so many Americans without conscience? 


    I'm not pro-McCain or pro-Bush and I'm not pro-Obama.  I'm pro-American.  I can't believe this guy thinks we should be trying to "win over" terrorists. 


    War on terror
    I agree 100%. You can't make friends with these people. They are committed to killing all of us. That is part of their religion.
    May God help us all if we get another terror attack.

    This president has ignored every single thing ever suggested to him, even as it regards terrorism.  I wonder what the terrorists will be planning for us in the future and how much information and knowledge they've learned from this about our weak spots.  They must see American frustration with Bush's incompetence, and they must really be enjoying that.  This is AMERICA.  We're supposed to have our act together.


    Yes, they have acknowledged the war on terror,
    but the world has not declared war on terror.  Terror isn't coming from Iran alone.  I think the president is premature in even mentioning a world war.  I am fairly convinced that the most of the middle eastern countries, whether friendly to the US or not, already have the knowledge for building nuclear weapons, it just a matter of getting the material, which sounds like they may get from Russia before the end of Putin's term.
    terror is an emotion

    How do you have a war against an emotion.  We have a discrete group of enemies we need to contain - not "fight a war on terror."  Slogans are for advertising, not world relations.


     


    Or another terror attack. Or a

    biological attack.  Or a flu pandemic.  Lots of scenarios available for his use. 


    I share your fears 100%.


    Wish I could move out of terror country
    Sweetheart, if I knew I could move to another country and get a job, even minimum wage, live in peace without knowing I live in the major terrorist country of the world with the most low IQ dufus president America  has ever had..you bet I would be out of here in a NY heart beat..
    Foiled Terror Attacks...sm
    http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/britain-thwarts-plot-to-bomb-us-bound/20060810015209990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001
    Wounded Knee/Reign of Terror

     I think you are confusing The Siege at Wounded Knee beginning in February 1973 with the Reign of Terror as it was called by the indians the following three years. During those 3 years 64 tribal members were unsolved murders, 300 harassed and beaten and 562 arrests made of which only 15 were convicted. The seige ended after 71 days. In 1975 the FBI was following a red pickup truck to the Jumping Bull ranch where many AIM members as well as nonmembers were present..AIM having been asked there by the family for protection. What ensued ended in the death of 2 Federal Agents and 1 indian man. The red pickup truck was never seen nor heard of again. What happened is sketchy at best. Three indian men were tried in the deaths of the Feds. Two were acquitted and Leonard Peltier has been in prison for 27 years, although there is little evidence to support his incarceration...or I guess I should say, there was evidence at the time of the trial but at least 4 of the witnesses have recanted their testimonies. They state they testified out of fear. If nothing else, Peltier deserves a new trial and that has been proven and reproven, yet he does not get it.  During the 1973 Wounded Knee, 2 AIM members were killed and 12 others disappeared. There is quite a bit of information on this topic available for your perusal. Aho.


     


    P.S. The reason indians (traditional) would rather be called indians than Native Americans is because the land we lived on was not America until the white man came. Indians called this place Turtle Island. The Native Americans were, in fact, the first Europeans to arrive and name this place America, ergo, they were the first or Native Americans. We are the indigenous peoples, the indians.


    Admin...we have someone codoning terror on this board


    US attack on Iran may prompt terror













      MSNBC.com

    U.S. attack on Iran may prompt terror
    Experts say strikes on nuclear facilities could spark worldwide retaliation


    By Dana Priest


    Updated: 12:16 a.m. ET April 2, 2006



    As tensions increase between the United States and Iran, U.S. intelligence and terrorism experts say they believe Iran would respond to U.S. military strikes on its nuclear sites by deploying its intelligence operatives and Hezbollah teams to carry out terrorist attacks worldwide.


    Iran would mount attacks against U.S. targets inside Iraq, where Iranian intelligence agents are already plentiful, predicted these experts. There is also a growing consensus that Iran's agents would target civilians in the United States, Europe and elsewhere, they said.


    U.S. officials would not discuss what evidence they have indicating Iran would undertake terrorist action, but the matter is consuming a lot of time throughout the U.S. intelligence apparatus, one senior official said. It's a huge issue, another said.


    Citing prohibitions against discussing classified information, U.S. intelligence officials declined to say whether they have detected preparatory measures, such as increased surveillance, counter-surveillance or message traffic, on the part of Iran's foreign-based intelligence operatives.


    Bigger threat than al-Qaeda?
    But terrorism experts considered Iranian-backed or controlled groups -- namely the country's Ministry of Intelligence and Security operatives, its Revolutionary Guards and the Lebanon-based Hezbollah -- to be better organized, trained and equipped than the al-Qaeda network that carried out the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.


    The Iranian government views the Islamic Jihad, the name of Hezbollah's terrorist organization, as an extension of their state. . . . operational teams could be deployed without a long period of preparation, said Ambassador Henry A. Crumpton, the State Department's coordinator for counterterrorism.



    The possibility of a military confrontation has been raised only obliquely in recent months by President Bush and Iran's government. Bush says he is pursuing a diplomatic solution to the crisis, but he has added that all options are on the table for stopping Iran's acquisition of nuclear weapons.


    Speaking in Vienna last month, Javad Vaeedi, a senior Iranian nuclear negotiator, warned the United States that it may have the power to cause harm and pain, but it is also susceptible to harm and pain. So if the United States wants to pursue that path, let the ball roll, although he did not specify what type of harm he was talking about.


    Rise in tension raises stakes
    Government officials said their interest in Iran's intelligence services is not an indication that a military confrontation is imminent or likely, but rather a reflection of a decades-long adversarial relationship in which Iran's agents have worked secretly against U.S. interests, most recently in Iraq and Pakistan. As confrontation over Iran's nuclear program has escalated, so has the effort to assess the threat from Iran's covert operatives.


    U.N. Security Council members continue to debate how best to pressure Iran to prove that its nuclear program is not meant for weapons. The United States, Britain and France want the Security Council to threaten Iran with economic sanctions if it does not end its uranium enrichment activities. Russia and China, however, have declined to endorse such action and insist on continued negotiations. Security Council diplomats are meeting this weekend to try to break the impasse. Iran says it seeks nuclear power but not nuclear weapons.


    Former CIA terrorism analyst Paul R. Pillar said that any U.S. or Israeli airstrike on Iranian territory would be regarded as an act of war by Tehran, and that Iran would strike back with its terrorist groups. There's no doubt in my mind about that. . . . Whether it's overseas at the hands of Hezbollah, in Iraq or possibly Europe, within the regime there would be pressure to take violent action.


    History of reprisals
    Before Sept. 11, the armed wing of Hezbollah, often working on behalf of Iran, was responsible for more American deaths than in any other terrorist attacks. In 1983 Hezbollah truck-bombed the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut, killing 241, and in 1996 truck-bombed Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia, killing 19 U.S. service members.


    Iran's intelligence service, operating out of its embassies around the world, assassinated dozens of monarchists and political dissidents in Europe, Pakistan, Turkey and the Middle East in the two decades after the 1979 Iranian revolution, which brought to power a religious Shiite government. Argentine officials also believe Iranian agents bombed a Jewish community center in Buenos Aires in 1994, killing 86 people. Iran has denied involvement in that attack.


    Iran's intelligence services are well trained, fairly sophisticated and have been doing this for decades, said Crumpton, a former deputy of operations at the CIA's Counterterrorist Center. They are still very capable. I don't see their capabilities as having diminished.


    Both sides have increased their activities against the other. The Bush administration is spending $75 million to step up pressure on the Iranian government, including funding non-governmental organizations and alternative media broadcasts. Iran's parliament then approved $13.6 million to counter what it calls plots and acts of meddling by the United States.


    Given the uptick in interest in Iran on the part of the United States, it would be a very logical assumption that we have both ratcheted up [intelligence] collection, absolutely, said Fred Barton, a former counterterrorism official who is now vice president of counterterrorism for Stratfor, a security consulting and forecasting firm. It would be a more fevered pitch on the Iranian side because they have fewer options.



    Agencies mum on true threat
    The office of the director of national intelligence, which recently began to manage the U.S. intelligence agencies, declined to allow its analysts to discuss their assessment of Iran's intelligence services and Hezbollah and their capabilities to retaliate against U.S. interests.


    We are unable to address your questions in an unclassified manner, a spokesman for the office, Carl Kropf, wrote in response to a Washington Post query.


    The current state of Iran's intelligence apparatus is the subject of debate among experts. Some experts who spent their careers tracking the intelligence ministry's operatives describe them as deployed worldwide and easier to monitor than Hezbollah cells because they operate out of embassies and behave more like a traditional spy service such as the Soviet KGB.


    Other experts believe the Iranian service has become bogged down in intense, regional concerns: attacks on Shiites in Pakistan, the Iraq war and efforts to combat drug trafficking in Iran.


    As a result, said Bahman Baktiari, an Iran expert at the University of Maine, the intelligence service has downsized its operations in Europe and the United States. But, said Baktiari, I think the U.S. government doesn't have a handle on this.


    Facilities make difficult targets
    Because Iran's nuclear facilities are scattered around the country, some military specialists doubt a strike could effectively end the program and would require hundreds of strikes beforehand to disable Iran's vast air defenses. They say airstrikes would most likely inflame the Muslim world, alienate reformers within Iran and could serve to unite Hezbollah and al-Qaeda, which have only limited contact currently.


    A report by the independent commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks cited al-Qaeda's long-standing cooperation with the Iranian-back Hezbollah on certain operations and said Osama bin Laden may have had a previously undisclosed role in the Khobar attack. Several al-Qaeda figures are reportedly under house arrest in Iran.


    Others in the law enforcement and intelligence circles have been more dubious about cooperation between al-Qaeda and Hezbollah, largely because of the rivalries between Shiite and Sunni Muslims. Al-Qaeda adherents are Sunni Muslims; Hezbollah's are Shiites.


    Iran certainly wants to remind governments that they can create a lot of difficulty if strikes were to occur, said a senior European counterterrorism official interviewed recently. That they might react with all means, Hezbollah inside Lebanon and outside Lebanon, this is certain. Al-Qaeda could become a tactical alliance.


    Researcher Julie Tate contributed to this report.


    © 2006 The Washington Post Company




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    Time.com: Toying with Terror Alerts .... sm
    http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1211369,00.html
    More from the British media on the terror alerts...sm
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/08/15/world_trade_center/

    I wonder if Bush and Blair Force One are reading any of this. Would love it if Stewart and Colbert join in.
    Don't close Guantanamo until terror war ends
    We DO NOT want to give terrorists the same rights as American citizens......


    Excerpt from this article:

    "Once you go out and capture a bunch of terrorists, as we did in Afghanistan and elsewhere, then you've got to have some place to put them," he said. "If you bring them here to the U.S. and put them in our local court system, then they are entitled to all kinds of rights that we extend only to American citizens. Remember, these are unlawful combatants.



    http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE4BE6T120081215
    They lie to perpetuate the war on false terror, and control with fear.nm
    z
    He wants to talk to Ahmadinejad....state sponsor of terror.
    He said so. Has he changed his mind?
    British Government Says Mothers With Babies New Terror Threat sm
    British Government Says Mothers With Babies New Terror Threat
    You're either with us, or you're with the babies.

    British government security advisors and the national media are doing their level best to strike rampant irrational paranoid terror into the hearts of UK citizens by identifying the latest targets of the war on terror as pregnant women and toddlers.

    Absurd delirious fearmongering continues in the British media with the Sun tabloid, Britain's most braindead and unfortunately also most popular newspaper screaming, HATE-filled mums willing to sacrifice themselves and their BABIES are being hunted in the war on terror.

    Yes that's right you haven't slipped into an upside down parallel universe - pregnant women and mothers with young babies are the new Al-Qaeda.

    The evidence?

    The nightmare is that mums carrying tiny tots would provide “very good cover” and not raise suspicions among even the most alert security guards.

    The Sun cited a senior Government security adviser as their source.

    So let's ignore that guy with the turban who looks like Mohammed Atta and instead focus our magic screening wand on Mrs. Smith and her newborn infant.

    Extra pat downs for young mums and making toddlers take their shoes off - boy do I feel safer now.

    What's the next threat? Barney the purple dinosaur?

    Of course we know what this is all designed to accomplish - it's about broadening the terrorist definition to the point where everyone's a suspect and everybody's behavior is under preposterous and suffocating scrutiny.

    The implication that the most benign, harmless and innocent members of our society could in actuality be terrorist suicide bombers is a sick ploy crafted to ensure that absolutely no one is allowed to escape the self-regulating stench of being under suspicion.

    It is also intended to brainwash the population that terrorists are potentially hiding under their beds, that they are everywhere and that only by a system of reporting suspicious behavior and unquestionably trusting the government will they too avoid the accusing finger.

    This is classic Cold War style behavioral conditioning and the Neo-Fascist architects know exactly what they're doing.

    Despite the status of alert returning to previous levels in both the US and the UK, ridiculous restrictions on travelers remain in place. Every time a new bout of fearmongering washes over a stupefied public, they are more pliable to new ways of being shoved around by government enforcers, even after the alleged plot has been foiled.

    The fearmongering never subsides, it is always ratcheted up another peg in anticipation for future manufactured threats.
    The future of airport security?

    Why don't they just ban any luggage, clothing or personal accessories whatsoever and have done with it? Better yet - why not strap every passenger into a straight jacket from the moment they enter the airport?

    In Knoxville, TSA officials are testing a biometric scanner device which interrogates passengers about their 'hostile intent' by asking a barrage of questions. If you thought the current delays and blanket 'everybody's a criminal terrorist' attitude were annoying enough, you ain't seen nothing yet.

    In a similar example to the mothers and babies mindlessness, the London Guardian reports that located in the tranquil and peaceful rural surroundings of the British Lake District and Yorkshire Dales are terrorist training camps where Al-Qaeda devotees are preparing for their next big attack.

    What's next? Bomb making factories under the Atlantic Ocean? Islamo Fascist brainwashing schools at the North Pole?

    The sheer stupidity implicit in the Guardian article is bewildering. If the police haven't even questioned the alleged terrorists, allowing them to gather evidence of terrorist activity, because they're conducting covert surveillance of the group then why in God's name have they told a national newspaper, who in turn have splashed the story all over their front page?

    If these supposed terrorists didn't know they were under surveillance before then they sure do now!

    I live on the edge of the Peak District nearby the kind of areas being fingered as terrorist training areas. The closest thing to Al-Qaeda like activity up here is when a discourteous rambler leaves a farm gate open.

    Again, it's about people who live in the country being smothered with the same raving paranoia and cockamamie fearmongering city-dwellers are subjected to. Woe betide anyone living in a converted barn house in the middle of miles and miles of wilderness think they can escape the war on terror - it applies to anything!

    Baby formula, lip gloss, mothers and toddlers included.




    But, the war on terror concerns all countries. Other countries
    acknowledge the war on terror as concerning the world, so it is essentially a World War. 
    Bush's Speech
    Bush was surprisingly coherent and articulate in explaining the bailout and its reasoning. His plan, by the way, is virtually identical to the one that the White House and Senate Democrats hammered out and Senate Republicans stonewalled a couple weeks ago.

    The pay cut for auto workers is nonbinding, and there are limits on executive pay.
    I saw Bush's welcome home speech.
    Proud of the Texas community welcoming home Bush. If I did not like the area I lived in, I would have moved to Texas. Do not really like the seasons and climate in Texas, but sure love the people there. Just an incredible speech. He sure is family oriented. Wish him the best and cannot wait to read his book. He kept us safe. Did you hear China did not like Obama's speech yesterday?
    Did Obama skip Bush's speech? sm
    Looks like he did.



    Did Obama Skip Bush's Speech?
    Posted by Michelle Levi| Comments10


    As his predecessor, President Bush, said his final goodbyes to America on national television, President-elect Barack Obama and his wife Michelle dined at the DC restaurant, Equinox Thursday night.

    CBS News' Maria Gavrilovic, who waited outside the restaurant, reports that there is no indication whether or not Mr. Obama was watching President Bush's farewell remarks.

    The President-elect departed the Blair house, located right across the street from the White House podium from which the president spoke, minutes before President Bush commenced.

    A host at the restaurant tells CBS News' that the President-elect stopped by the only television in the high end establishment, a small screen at the bar, and watched for "a minute or two." The source said he did not notice what Mr. Obama was watching but that "no" it was not for an extended period of time.

    No one from Obama's transition team has responded to CBS News' inquiries as to whether he was watching the address.








    http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/01/15/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry4726147.shtml
    Did Obama skip Bush's speech? sm
    Looks like he did. Very unbecoming, disrepectful side of Pres-elect Obama we're seeing.



    Did Obama Skip Bush's Speech?
    Posted by Michelle Levi| Comments10


    As his predecessor, President Bush, said his final goodbyes to America on national television, President-elect Barack Obama and his wife Michelle dined at the DC restaurant, Equinox Thursday night.

    CBS News' Maria Gavrilovic, who waited outside the restaurant, reports that there is no indication whether or not Mr. Obama was watching President Bush's farewell remarks.

    The President-elect departed the Blair house, located right across the street from the White House podium from which the president spoke, minutes before President Bush commenced.

    A host at the restaurant tells CBS News' that the President-elect stopped by the only television in the high end establishment, a small screen at the bar, and watched for "a minute or two." The source said he did not notice what Mr. Obama was watching but that "no" it was not for an extended period of time.

    No one from Obama's transition team has responded to CBS News' inquiries as to whether he was watching the address.








    http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/01/15/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry4726147.shtml
    Bush's Exit speech was REALLY scary
    I'll take an educated, insightful, young, inexperienced president, willing and able to learn from the bottom up, over the absolute moron that Bush proved himself to be one last time during his Exit press conference. Watching it was horrific . . . this idiot was the 'head' of US government for the past 8 years, and he must have been SO protected by press secretaries and speech writers during that time, because watching his Exit speech was like watching Barney Fife bumble his way through a chat with no knowledge, no information. The only difference is Barney Fife didn't send thousands of Americans to the Middle East to their death.

    With the huge pile of dung left behind by the Bush administration, ANYTHING that President Obama initiates toward digging us out financially and politically, and returning a modicum of respect to the US from the rest of the world (to whom we have been made to look like an idiotic bully by Barney Bush) will earn President Obama a spotlighted place in history, as turning this mess around would be a huge accomplishment.

    "Can't teach an old dog new tricks" should have been the Bush administrations credo.

    Obama is willing to learn, listen, appoint cabinet members of opposing views, and he is much more savvy than you give him credit for. I suggest reading one of his books to gain some insight; this just may allay your unwarranted fears.
    Bush's Iraq Speech: Long On Assertion, Short On Facts

    Bush says "progress is uneven" in Iraq, but accentuates positive evidence and mostly ignores the negative.


    June 30, 2005


    Standing before a crowd of uniformed soldiers, President Bush addressed the nation on June 27 to reaffirm America's commitment to the global war on terrorism. But throughout the speech Bush continually stated his opinions and conclusions as though they were facts, and he offered little specific evidence to support his assertions.


    Here we provide some additional context, both facts that support Bush's case that "we have made significant progress" in Iraq, as well as some of the negative evidence he omitted.



    Analysis



     


    Bush's prime-time speech at Fort Bragg, NC coincided with the one-year anniversary of the handover of soverignty to Iraqi authorities. It was designed to lay out America's role in Iraq amid sinking public support for the war and calls by some lawmakers to withdraw troops.


    The Bloodshed


    Bush acknowledged the high level of violence in Iraq as he sought to reassure the public.



    Bush: The work in Iraq is difficult and dangerous. Like most Americans, I see the images of violence and bloodshed. Every picture is horrifying and the suffering is real. Amid all this violence, I know Americans ask the question: Is the sacrifice worth it?


    What Bush did not mention is that by most measures the violence is getting worse. Both April and May were record months in Iraq for car bombings, for example, with more than 135 of them being set off each month. And the bombings are getting more deadly. May was a record month for deaths from bombings, with 381 persons killed in "multiple casualty" bombings that took two or more lives, according to figures collected by the Brookings Institution in its "Iraq Index."  The Brookings index is compiled from a variety of sources including official government statistics, where those are available, and other public sources such as news accounts and statements of Iraqi government officials.


    The number of Iraqi police and military who have been killed is also rising, reaching 296 so far in June, nearly triple the 109 recorded in January and 103 in Febrary, according to a tally of public information by the website  Iraq Coalition Casualty Count, a private group that documents each fatality from public statements and news reports.  Estimates of the total number of Iraqi civilians killed each month as a result of "acts of war" have been rising as well, according to the Brookings index.


    The trend is also evident in year-to-year figures. In the past twelve months, there have been 25% more U.S. troop fatalities and nearly double the average number of insurgent attacks per day as there were in the preceeding 12 months.


    Reconstruction Progress


    In talking about Iraqi reconstruction, Bush highlighted the positive and omitted the negative:



    Bush: We continued our efforts to help them rebuild their country. . . .  Our progress has been uneven but progress is being made. We are improving roads and schools and health clinics and working to improve basic services like sanitation, electricity and water. And together with our allies, we will help the new Iraqi government deliver a better life for its citizens.


    Indeed, the State Department's most recent Iraq Weekly Status Report  shows progress is uneven. Education is a positive; official figures show 3,056 schools have been rehabilitated and millions of "student kits" have been distributed to primary and secondary schools. School enrollments are increasing. And there are also 145 new primary healthcare centers currently under construction. The official figures show 78 water treatment projects underway, nearly half of them completed, and water utility operators are regularly trained in two-week courses.


    On the negative side, however, State Department figures show overall electricity production is barely above pre-war levels. Iraqis still have power only 12 hours daily on average.


    Iraqis are almost universally unhappy about that. Fully 96 percent of urban Iraqis said they were dissatisfied when asked about "the availability of electricity in your neighborhood." That poll was conducted in February for the U.S. military, and results are reported in Brookings' "Iraq Index." The same poll also showed that 20 percent of Iraqi city-dwellers still report being without water to their homes.


    Conclusions or Facts?


    The President repeatedly stated his upbeat conclusions as though they were facts. For example, he said of "the terrorists:"



    Bush: They failed to break our coalition and force a mass withdrawal by our allies. They failed to incite an Iraqi civil war.


    In fact, there have been withdrawals by allies. Spain pulled out its 1,300 soldiers in April, and Honduras brought home its 370 troops at the same time. The Philippines withdrew its 51 troops last summer to save the life of a Filipino hostage held captive for eight months in Iraq. Ukraine has already begun a phased pullout of its 1,650-person contingent, which the Defense Ministry intends to complete by the end of the year. Both the Netherlands and Italy have announced plans to withdraw their troops, and the Bulgarian parliament recently granted approval to bring home its 450 soldiers. Poland, supplying the third-largest contingent in the coalition after Italy's departure, has backed off a plan for full withdrawal of troops due to the success of Iraqi elections and talks with Condoleezza Rice, but the Polish Press Agency announced in June that the next troop rotation will have 200 fewer soldiers.


    Bush is of course entitled to argue that these withdrawals don't constitute a "mass" withdrawal, but an argument isn't equivalent to a fact.


    The same goes for Bush's statement there's no "civil war" going on. In fact, some believe that what's commonly called the "insurgency" already is a "civil war" or something very close to it. For example, in an April 30 piece, the Times of London quotes Colonel Salem Zajay, a police commander in Southern Baghdad, as saying, "The war is not between the Iraqis and the Americans. It is between the Shia and the Sunni." Again, Bush is entitled to state his opinion to the contrary, but stating a thing doesn't make it so.


    Terrorism


    Similarly, Bush equated Iraqi insurgents with terrorists who would attack the US if they could.



    Bush: There is only one course of action against them: to defeat them abroad before they attack us at home. . . . Our mission in Iraq is clear. We are hunting down the terrorists .


    Despite a few public claims to the contrary, however, no solid evidence has surfaced linking Iraq to attacks on the United States, and Bush offered none in his speech. The 9/11 Commission issued a staff report more than a year ago saying "so far we have no credible evidence that Iraq and al Qaeda cooperated on attacks against the United States." It said Osama bin Laden made a request in 1994 to establish training camps in Iraq, but "but Iraq apparently never responded." That was before bin Laden was ejected from Sudan and moved his operation to Afghanistan.


    Bush laid stress on the "foreign" or non-Iraqi elements in the insurgency as evidence that fighting in Iraq might prevent future attacks on the US:



    Bush: I know Americans ask the question: Is the sacrifice worth it? It is worth it, and it is vital to the future security of our country . And tonight I will explain the reasons why.
    Some of the violence you see in Iraq is being carried out by ruthless killers who are converging on Iraq to fight the advance of peace and freedom. Our military reports that we have killed or captured hundreds of foreign fighters in Iraq who have come from Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran, Egypt, Sudan, Yemen, Libya and other nations.


    But Bush didn't mention that the large majority of insurgents are Iraqis, not foreigners. The overall strength of the insurgency has been estimated at about 16,000 persons. The number of foreign fighters in Iraq is only about 1,000, according to estimates reported by the Brookings Institution. The exact number is of course impossible to know. However, over the course of one week during the major battle for Fallujah in November of 2004, a Marine official said that only about 2% of those detained were foreigners. To be sure, Brookings notes that "U.S. military believe foreign fighters are responsible for the majority of suicide bombings in Iraq," with perhaps as many as 70 percent of bombers coming from Saudi Arabia alone. It is anyone's guess how many of those Saudi suicide bombers might have attempted attacks on US soil, but a look at the map shows that a Saudi jihadist can drive across the border to Baghdad much more easily than getting nearly halfway around the world to to the US.


    Osama bin Laden


    Bush quoted a recent tape-recorded message by bin Laden as evidence that the Iraq conflict is "a central front in the war on terror":



    Bush: Hear the words of Osama bin Laden: "This Third World War is raging" in Iraq..."The whole world is watching this war." He says it will end in "victory and glory or misery and humiliation."


    However, Bush passed over the fact that the relationship between bin Laden and the Iraqi insurgents – to the extent one existed at all before – grew much closer after the US invaded Iraq. Insurgent leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi did not announce his formal allegiance with bin Laden until October, 2004. It was only then that Zarqawi changed the name of his group from "Unification and Holy War Group" to "al Qaeda in Iraq."


    In summary, we found nothing false in what Bush said, only that his facts were few and selective.


    --by Brooks Jackson & Jennifer L. Ernst


    Researched by Matthew Barge, Kevin Collins & Jordan Grossman


    Of course you would say that, that's the way you operate.here's an alert, just because

    we don't vote for him doesn't make us racist, it means we don't like him. And how did you get something racist out of that? 


    ALERT THE MEDIA!!!!

    There have been reports that the US is harboring a fugative who goes by the name of Just the big bad.  This fugative is considered to be an athiest liberal who does not agree with supporting the terroist nation of Israel, and most recently was discovered to smoke cigarettes.  If you see this person, please use extreme caution.  She is known to carry a sharp pen and has employed tactics (otherwise known as logic and facts) that confuse republicans.


    Get a grip


    Re: alert the media
    Really...hmmm...is there a fat reward for alerting said media...i JUST might turn you in....
    Sheep Alert! Oh-baaaaaaaaaaaa-ma!
    lol at u!
    Meixco has released a travel alert.
    College campuses here are posting warnings on their websites, warning students that the violence has gotten very bad and they may be targeted or even killed.  From a friend who works down there regularly, it is that bad and he says it is only a matter of time before something extremely violent happens to tourists.  He hears it in the streets and he watches his back constantly.  Mexican drug lords are gearing up to use these tourists for ransom...... 
    GOP alert memo states intent to bust the union

    With 3 million jobs hanging in the balance.


    Countdown has obtained a memo entitled "Action Alert - Auto Bailout," and sent Wednesday at 9:12am, to Senate Republicans. The names of the sender(s) and recipient(s) have been redacted in the copy Countdown obtained. The Los Angeles Times reported that it was circulated among Senate Republicans. The brief memo outlines internal political strategy on the bailout, including the view that defeating the bailout represents a "first shot against organized labor." Senate Republicans blocked passage of the bailout late Thursday night, over its insistence on an immediate union pay cut. See the entire memo after the jump.


    Subject: Action Alert -- Auto Bailout


    Today at noon, Senators Ensign, Shelby, Coburn and DeMint will hold a press conference in the Senate Radio/TV Gallery.  They would appreciate our support through messaging and attending the press conference, if possible.  The message they want us to deliver is:


    1.       This is the democrats first opportunity to payoff organized labor after the election.  This is a precursor to card check and other items.  Republicans should stand firm and take their first shot against organized labor, instead of taking their first blow from it.


    2.       This rush to judgment is the same thing that happened with the TARP.  Members did not have an opportunity to read or digest the legislation and therefore could not understand the consequences of it.  We should not rush to pass this because Detroit says the sky is falling.


    The sooner you can have press releases and documents like this in the hands of members and the press, the better.  Please contact me if you need additional information.  Again, the hardest thing for the democrats to do is get 60 votes.  If we can hold the Republicans, we can beat this.


    http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/12/12/1713569.aspx


    "kill him" speech is not acceptable free speech - it is against the law - nm
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    No surprise.

    Two Democrats today commented on leftists like you and several others on this board.  I sure do agree with them.


    Mike Kinsley, lifelong Democrat, on Pelosi’s pathetic platform:



    For national security in general, the Democrats’ plan is so according-to-type that you cringe with embarrassment: It’s mostly about new cash benefits for veterans. Regarding Iraq specifically, the Democrats’ plan has two parts. First, they want Iraqis to “assum[e] primary responsibility for securing and governing their country.” Then they want “responsible redeployment” (great euphemism) of American forces.


    Older readers may recognize this formula. It’s Vietnamization—the Nixon-Kissinger plan for extracting us from a previous mistake. But Vietnamization was not a plan for victory. It was a plan for what was called “peace with honor” and is now known as “defeat.”


    Maybe “A New Direction for America” is just a campaign document—although it seems to have had no effect at all on the campaign. My fear is that the House Democrats may try to use it as a basis for governing.


    Orson Scott Card, lifelong Democrat, on the only issue that matters in this election:



    I say this as a Democrat, for whom the Republican domination of government threatens many values that I hold to be important to America’s role as a light among nations.


    But there are no values that matter to me that will not be gravely endangered if we lose this war. And since the Democratic Party seems hellbent on losing it — and in the most damaging possible way — I have no choice but to advocate that my party be kept from getting its hands on the reins of national power, until it proves itself once again to be capable of recognizing our core national interests instead of its own temporary partisan advantages.


    To all intents and purposes, when the Democratic Party jettisoned Joseph Lieberman over the issue of his support of this war, they kicked me out as well. The party of Harry Truman and Daniel Patrick Moynihan — the party I joined back in the 1970s — is dead. Of suicide.


    This may come as a surprise to you, but...
    nm
    Why should this surprise you? Now he is saying
    that they need to have more regulation, after wanting to de-regulate years ago.
    No surprise here...(sm)
    I think I said a couple days ago they wouldn't be happy with the result and that it would just turn into a larger *conspiracy.*  Thanks for not disappointing.  LOL
    no be surprise
    he admits to being a heavy drinker, dating strippers, etc.  He has only donned this moral costume with the church talk and happy marriage schitch since he has had to go far right to get conservative support this election cycle.  Before he was defeated by Bush, he was more left-central.  Now is fair right. 
    Big surprise, huh?

    With all that lynch mob mentality going on, people are waking up to the real deal.  Even a lot of very prominent pubs are turning away, advising JM to dump that noose around his neck because she is dragging him down.  After all, he did create the monster.  I say, what goes around . . .


    No surprise there....
    he is a socialist.
    This may come as a surprise to you,
    are not one monolithic group of people who share the same literal read of the Quran as you would have us believe. Substitute the word Jihadist for Muslim in your statement and then we might have something to talk about. I will not put myself in the position to defend the teachings of a Holy Book that is read, interpreted and elaborated in thousands of different ways by 1.5 billion people who are members of the world's second largest religion. My issue here is not whether or not minority sects within that religion are terrorist...the same way that I see fanatical Christians, by the way (and before you go there, I am Christian). My issue is the ignorant, dangerous rhetoric that would paint a huge majority of humble, spiritual, religious people of faith of any religion in one broad stroke that would leave us believing they they are all out to "get us."
    No surprise there.
    With the kind of narrow-minded thinking and myopic world view you hav expressed in your posts, of course you can't envision anything except your own stupidity.
    Big surprise there.

    No surprise here
    Been watching this woman move up the ranks of corruption in California for many years now.
    For many of us that comes as no surprise......
    They have already told O that out of those released from there, they already know to be fact that over 60% of them go back to fight and kill!

    Yep, all those poor little gitmo guys now being treated like kings in the bahamas.... nice place to start another group up terrorists training!!!! Too bad so many O lovers have been sucked into that belief that those guys are just lovable little teddy bears!!!
    Why doesn't this surprise me??

    Nan, you were stalked??? What a surprise!!!!!
    nm
    Hey, doesn't surprise me
    When Carter won one I knew the committee's cheese had completely slid of their cracker.
    Wouldn't surprise me if he still is.
    Nothing the Bush administration does surprises me any more.
    This does not come as a surprise. Thanks for posting..nm

    What? No takers? No surprise there.
    nm
    doesn't surprise me a bit!
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