Do I hate gays? No. Do I think I'm better
Posted By: wannie on 2008-11-12
In Reply to: I agree. The "better than thou" snobbery - not very Christ-like
than a homosexual? No, again. Do I agree with their lifestyle? No. In the same regard, do I think I'm better than an alcoholic/drug addict/adulterer/etc? No. Do I agree with their lifestyle? No. My feelings about the rightness or wrongness of homosexuality are a personal conviction. I am a Christian, but I don't hate. I may not like what they do, what they believe in, but they still have a soul, and, as a Christian, the Bible commands me to love my neighbor as myself. No hate involved at all. Just a difference of beliefs. 
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Christians don't hate gays
but the Bible says it is a sin. We love gay people and hope that they come to know the Lord and in doing so will understand it's a sin. Marriage is for a man and a woman.
Please, if you don't really understand Christianity, don't speak about it. People make so many assumptions about what we believe.
Love the person, hate the sin. We are all sinners. Gays are no worse than us. My telling a little white lie is just as much of a sin as someone being gay which is just as much of a sin as someone killing a child. In God's eyes there are no "levels" of sin. That's why we need Jesus, to pay our sin debt, because all the good works in the world can't save us.
Flame away...
You hate blacks AND gays? You think Fox is the news..
I am not answering any more of your racist, rude dumb posts. Talk to yourself, all 3 or more of your selves that you are posting here so obviously.
So you not only hate gays, you also hate
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Where did gays come from?
Answer: I don't know. Without starting world war 3, my PERSONAL belief is that it is a choice. Others would not agree. I do know that kids are great imitators and if they are raised by gays I expect they will see being gay as the "normal" way of life and that is against everything in nature. Again, my PERSONAL belief, if God had intended to have Adam and Steve He would not have created Adam and Eve.
You are the one who was agains the gays
Christ wasn't like that, so why call yourself a Christian?
I don't think gays and lesbians are
second class citizens. What in the world is the big deal??? What is it they want? Look how many heterosexual couples live together without benefit of marriage. Well, maybe this push for gays and lesbians to be able to marry is instigated by some lawyers who see more dollars from divorce court. Next thing we know Mormon polygomists (sp?) will be demanding their rights to marry 500 women. Why don't we just go ahead and throw all morality right out the window.
Gays have a right to marry
I sincerely believe that all are equal on this planet. Why would we want to deprive them of happiness?
except that most gays are about INCLUSION, not
They believe in 'live and let live', NOT 'my way or the highway'.
Then gays and lesbians should do the same
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It has never been a right for gays to marry....
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Ummm...I think gays care. lol. That...
being said..."it doesn't affect my paycheck.." is that your barometer for whether something matters to you? Just wondering.
And secondly...threw it on the ballot to manipulate voters? Manipulate them how? You don't have to vote for...or against...on everything on the ballot.
Nobody is denying the gays the right to assembly...
also, you really have no idea what this particular group of people feel about gays or anything else. There are Christians who are sympathetic to gay marriage. Not me, but that is beside the point. To be honest, I think that they should file the proper paperwork and follow the law, I just think your argument is flawed.
Judge overturns Florida ban on adoption by gays
(CNN) -- A Florida circuit judge Tuesday struck down a 31-year-old state law that prevents gays and lesbians from adopting children, allowing a North Miami man to adopt two half-brothers he and his partner have raised as foster children since 2004.
"There is no question, the blanket exclusion of gay applicants defeats Florida's goal of providing dependent children a permanent family through adoption," Judge Cindy S. Lederman wrote in her 53-page ruling.
"The best interests of children are not preserved by prohibiting homosexual adoption."
The state attorney general's office has appealed the decision.
Lederman said there is no moral or scientific reason for banning gays and lesbians from adopting, despite the state's arguments otherwise. The state argued that gays and lesbians have higher odds of suffering from depression, affective and anxiety disorders and substance abuse, and that their households are more unstable.
Lederman said the ban violated children's right to permanency provided under the Florida statute and under the federal Adoption and Safe Families Act of 1997. Whether the ban violated the state's equal protection clause by singling out gays and lesbians should be considered, she said.
Lederman's ruling paves the way for Martin Gill to legally adopt the two half-brothers, ages 4 and 8, whom he has cared for since December 2004, the American Civil Liberties Union said.
The two boys, who are referred to as John and James Doe in court documents, were removed from their homes on allegations of abandonment and neglect.
On that December evening, John and James left a world of chronic neglect, emotional impoverishment and deprivation to enter a new world, foreign to them, that was nurturing, safe, structured and stimulating," Lederman wrote.
In 2006, the children's respective fathers' rights were terminated, court documents said, and they remained in the care of Gill and his partner.
"Our family just got a lot more to be thankful for this Thanksgiving," Gill said Tuesday, according to the ACLU, which represented him.
Florida is the only state that specifically bans all "homosexual" people from adopting children, although it does allow them to be foster parents.
This month, Arkansas voters approved a ballot measure to prohibit unmarried partners -- same-sex or opposite-sex couples -- from adopting children or from serving as foster parents. The measure is similar to one in Utah, which excludes same-sex couples indirectly through a statute barring all unmarried couples from adopting or taking in foster children.
Mississippi allows single gays and lesbians to adopt, but prohibits same-sex couples from adopting.
Neal Skene, spokesman for the Florida Department of Children and Families, said the appeal was filed so a statewide resolution on the law could be determined by an appellate court. He noted that another Florida circuit judge declared the law unconstitutional this year but that ruling had not been appealed.
"We need a statewide determination by the appellate courts," he said.
Gill's adoption petition cannot be approved until the appeal process is finished, Skene said, but the children will remain in Gill's home.
"These are wonderful foster parents," Skene said. "It's just that we have a statute, [and] the statute is very clear on the issue of adoption."
Several organizations -- including the National Adoption Center, the American Medical Association, the American Psychological Association and the American Academy of Pediatrics -- have said that having gay and lesbian parents does not negatively affect children.
The Evan B. Donaldson Adoption Institute, a nonprofit organization that studies adoption and foster care, hailed the decision.
"This ban, which was the only one of its kind in the country, has done nothing but undermine the prospects of boys and girls in the foster care system to get permanent, loving homes," said Adam Pertman, the Adoption Institute's executive director, in a written statement.
"So this decision by Judge Lederman is a very important, hopeful ruling for children who need families."
But I thought you guys LOVED gays! Wassa matta you?!!? nm
English not so good. Sad for you. So much hate. Life too short hate.
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Oh I see....you hate small town folks, you hate Christians...
and you hate the military...you are also coming into real clear view.
Sheesh, you not only hate Bush, you hate PEOPLE!
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They don't hate us because we are free, they hate us because...
We need to stop imposing the way we live on them. They don't hate us because of our freedom. That is absurd. When have you ever heard them say we hate you because you are free? Never. What they have been saying is "Don't tell us how we should live". "Don't tell us we need to have the same type of government that America has", and they also say "We don't need the Americans designing our own countries flag" and that is why they hate us. They are their own country. It is not right for us to go in and say you need to live the way we do, your government needs to be run the way ours is. How would we like it if they came and said "Were invading America and your going to conform to the way we live because "its' the right way" or "god has told me this is the way it's suppose to be". No, we wouldn't like it one bit. Every country lives differently. We need to stop dictating how other countries should live.
Hate mongers hate everything.
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you are the one with hate
It is you and the other republicans who post here that are filled with hatred. My gosh, almost every one of your posts has the word hate in it.
Hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate. nm
Hate. nm
Hate? I don't hate anyone....
least of all some anonymous poster on a board. I would not waste the energy, and hating anyone is a waste of energy. I don't hate liberals. Yes, it is dissent...it is dissenting opinion. You know, like the Supreme Court judges do when they don't agree? They give dissenting opinions. There is much more opinion on these boards than fact. As far as hate....your leaders in Congress have a good healthy hatred and want of revenge...or they would not put terrorism on the back burner to investigating Bush. That is hatred of the man and desire for revenge that is quite blatantly obvious, and certainly is not in the best interests of the country. I believe that Ms. Pelosi needs to remember that people in glass houses should not throw stones. I don't expect an answer because you already told me you were not going to read this...
There just seems to be a lot of hate for her
I will vote dem no matter what
Why do you hate
Reading these posts I am trying to understand why Gov. Palin is hated so much. I'd like to know facts (not rumors or lies). Can you provide me with answers as to why. I just don't understand it.
The conversative republicans on this board are not coming out with hate towards Obama/Biden, and I really don't see much hate towards McCain, but the actual hate is seeping out and infiltrating all of your thoughts with Gov. Palin and I cannot understand why. I've seen her interviewed. She doesn't seem too bad. She's knowledgeable about the issues and answers questions with confidence. I've also seen Obama, Biden and McCain interviewed too and I just don't understand what it is towards Gov. Palin but not the others.
Please provide facts too. Everything I am reading on this board are rumors and lies, so if you could just tell me. Even if you say you don't like her because she's pretty, or she decided to have a baby instead of aborting him, etc I don't mind answers like that because they will be truthful, but please don't tell me you hate her because of something manufacted, or for something she is not personally involved in.
Just trying to understand.
why is it hate
When we want her to speak out and show who she is? I don't hate her. I do think there were several more qualified women that could have been picked for the Rep VP slot. I think it is a slap in the face to the more educated, capable women that they picked a pretty little thing from Alaska that barely graduated college with a degree in Journalism.
Ms. Rice is 100 times more qualified to be VP, why not pick her?
I don't hate anyone!
All I am saying is that I have a better understanding of why you have such strong feelings about politics, based on what you have told us about yourself. My life is polar opposite of yours, which affects my feelings about politics.
I do not hate small town folks, Christians, the military, or anyone else. It just that we come from different worlds, and I understand now why we see things so differently.
Right, you don't hate nobody, you hate
agree with you.
What does this say.......hot hate?
Although nowhere does the Qur’an say that Allah loves those who don’t believe Muhammad, there are over 400 verses that describe the torment that he has prepared for people of other religions (or no religion):
And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers (3:85)
The relative worth of non-Muslims is that they are but fuel for the fire of Hell:
(As for) those who disbelieve, surely neither their wealth nor their children shall avail them in the least against Allah, and these it is who are the fuel of the fire (3:10)
As they are fueling the fire, unbelievers will be tormented by Allah’s angels on his command:
“O ye who believe! Ward off from yourselves and your families a Fire whereof the fuel is men and stones, over which are set angels strong, severe, who resist not Allah in that which He commandeth them, but do that which they are commanded.” (66:6)
Hate to say it
I think there are a few bone fide nut jobs on this post that got a whole lot of people sucked into their delusions. Fooled me twice. Later!
That's a lot of hate! nm
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I don't hate you......... sm
I just don't like your lifestyle and that gay people are insisting upon calling a union between people of the same sex a marriage. In my opinion, and apparently in the opinion of a vast number of Americans, it devalues the institution of marriage between men and women. If you want to live together, fine. Just don't tell me that I must consider your situation a marriage and don't change our countries laws to recognize it as a marriage.
Hate to say it, but I don't think it's
going to happen (talking about issues). There are too many new ones on here now and all they want to do is name calling, pick fights, and won't try to find the truth and, sadly, it's also the way of the country nowadays. I have been appalled at the reaction lately and even ones who have been on here a long time and always posted decently are turning into the negative posters, too.
Unless the posters start following the rules of this board, I doubt it will ever change.
you are right - they hate each other! nm
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Hate to tell ya, but...(sm)
Penn and Maine are blue states according to the 2008 election. Those 3 senators are doing what they were elected to do -- that being representing their people.
I hate it when that happens...lol (nm)
I hate to say this
but the more pub bashing there is, the less I want to even consider what dems have to say.
Dems keep saying they expect us to work with them (pretty much agree with what they want to do, nevermind how we feel about it) yet then they want to constantly trash talk us and make fun of us. I'm not saying that pubs don't do the same to dems, but if the majority wants the minority to participate, maybe they should chill out on the "party of NO and hip hop party" lingo.
Just sayin :)
Well, I hate to tell you this
but these hicks that you talk about using food stamps to buy food are the same people who will benefit from Obama's presidency. It won't be hard working individuals like ourselves. This type of irresponsible behavior will be rewarded by government assistant programs at the expense of the working Americans who pay for them and who is pushing for more government programs.....why I do believe it is Barrack Obama....is it not?
As for Sarah Palin, she has done very well running Alaska and has worked her way up from the bottom to the top in her state. She wasn't born with a silver spoon in her mouth. If Sarah Palin was as ugly as Hillary Clinton is and was pro-choice, you all would be drooling over her. But because she is an attractive woman who is conservative, you ladies would rather say she has no brains because she is pretty.
How smart are we? Our country elects a man who has no experience whatsoever and when it comes to writing bills, he hands the everything over to Pelosi.
Please continue to tell me how stupid Palin is when Obama runs our country into the ground because I'm sure that will make sense to everything ignorant Obama is doing right now.
I don't hate anyone. There is a sm
difference between "tolerance" and standing up for the truth. This belongs on the faith board but I guess I will post anyway. There is a difference between "religion" and "salvation" and all Obama has (by the fruit he bears) is religion! There is one way to heaven and that is through and by the blood of Jesus Christ.
I don't know where the denying health care benefits and denying SS to anyone comments came from. Obama is a Muslim. He has even slipped up in an interview and admitted it.
Because I would like to see you in heaven, the truth is there is only one way and that is through Jesus Christ.
I hate to tell you this
but taking control away from the taliban and giving it back to the country the taliban is trying to take over is about our freedom. The more control the taliban gets, the more power they get and the more ability they have to attack us on our own soil.
As for why we are still there....I do believe it was Obama who extended the timeline for the troops in Iraq while sending troops into Afghan. So it appears that Obama's pulling out of the troops and running back home plan didn't work out so well when he actually got into the White House and saw what was really going on.
As for the "torture" accusations, I hate to break it to ya but terrorists and pirates do not fall under protection of the Geneva Convention. We broke no law as they are terrorists and I would rather "torture" a terrorist to try and save American lives. We will never know the full story on this until all the information is released.
As for Pelosi, she is so high and mighty. If you are going to stand there and point the blame on everyone else but yourself when others claimed that you knew and did nothing.....well.....of course Pelosi is now under fire and she should be. If she truly knew about it....she is just as guilty for allowing it and not saying a word and then lying about it to make her look all pure and innocent.
However, I still say this whole thing shouldn't have happened. Those original memos should not have been released to begin with and that was something the liberal loons wanted so they could start their witch hunts on the Bush administration. If Obama really wanted to move forward he would have just said what is in the past is in the past. We can't change what happened but we move forward and will not do so again. Instead we are belittling our CIA and our troops and putting ourselves in danger while giving terrorists more power to recruit more psychotic people to their cause.
Wow....such hate.
Patty, I would seriously suggest that you take a good look in the mirror. I think perhaps it would be a good lesson for you to actually sit down after a day or so and write down the sins that you yourself have committed. You can't separate the sin from the person and yet you said yourself that we are all sinners. Don't we as Christians call ourselves sinners. Don't we pray and admit to God that we are sinners and ask for his forgiveness? That is the title that we go by. Granted, we are supposed to strive to be better but we still sin every day. If what you say is true that you cannot separate the sin from a person when they go by that title and this is according to God........what makes you think God listens to you when you admit you are a sinner and ask for forgiveness. Doesn't make sense does it. Anyone with a brain would see that!
Um, hate to tell ya, but YOU don't own it,
Somebody has one MAJOR bee up their butt.
Wow, could you squeeze a little more hate
into that post. What I'm saying is don't try to tone down your posts. Tell us how black your heart, well, I mean what your true feelings are.
If there's one thing I hate. sm
it's a person who constantly calls people a liar. That is so out of place in this milieu. You have no right to do that. What, because someone doesn't agree with YOU or has a set of facts different from YOU, they are a liar. One thing I can say about the C board, I never saw one of them call anyone a liar. You have the market all cornered on that. You should just be so proud.
hate bush? Nah
Actually, LOL, I hate no one, however, with your never ending posts with hate posted all through them prove to me you hate quite a bit. I have never read so many posts by one person with the word hate in them. Hate is a negative energy. I would be happy if I never saw Bushs face again..just go back to Crawford make believe cowboy..Now if you want real hate, your idol, Coulter, she has hate running through her veins. Bush, he is just a festering pimple in the scheme of things..He is a detriment to America and the world..has made us the laughingstock of the world, has painted a target on each of our backs for decades to come, has practically bankrupt the federal budget..The guy should never have been president but when you are in the pockets of oil giants, corporate kings, buddies with Rove, anything can happen and unfortunately it did. Well, better times and a better America are around the corner, once a democrat gets back into office and cleans up Bushs mess.
Those obsessed with hate see little else.
And it's unfortunate, because even up until 9/11 Americans were virtually indivisible when it came to responding to tragedy and united in their compassion for the afflicted.
I for one have a lot of faith in Americans still - I know they have come and are coming to the aid of the Gulf Coast victims. I also think they have a right to question WHERE exactly our billions of dollars for Homeland Security went, when clearly nobody in authority was prepared for disaster even with two days' advance warning. What's up with that, we want to know - and we want answers.
To trivialize such an important issue by saying ooh you poopy haters is simply to make a mockery out of the concern nearly all Americans feel about what's happening now and what's going to happen when the next disaster comes to their own door.
I hate to see you go and I wish you could just ignore, or even...sm
wear your feelings on your sleeve and brush them off everyday. One thing I learned a long time ago on this board is that we can not change the conservatives and they are not going to change us, so I think the separate boards is a good thing, so I do try to stay off their board but sometimes it is tempting to respond to them when they are bashing us over there.
But, in politics there are going to be trolls, there are going to be people who don't want to do anything but argue and incite, so just stand your ground and figure out which ones are here to debate (in rare form) and don't take the other ones serious at all.
Consumed by hate? Me? No way.
I'm consumed by lots of other things, though.
I am consumed by fear, though, over America's future, watching Supreme Court justices chosen because of religious beliefs and worshipping Bush like a god, instead of merit and qualifications, fearful that what begins with overturning Roe might end with the Supremes outlawing living wills, stem cell research, and other privacy rights to which every American citizen is entitled.
I am consumed by anger that an American president would use fear and lies to the entire world in order to wage a war that he most likely had planned before he was even elected president.
I'm consumed by frustration that after 9/11, we don't have a leader who cares enough about the safety of Americans to secure our borders, KNOWING that it's easy access for foreign terrorists to enter this country, and actually causing two states to declare states of emergency for that reason.
I'm consumed by disappointment that our top leaders have no ethics or fondness for the truth, that two (at least) high-ranking White House officials would disclose the identity of a CIA agent working on WMD, placing many lives in danger by such disclosure -- simply because her husband told the truth about the president's lies.
I'm consumed by compassion as I witness the lower-middle class sinking even lower, closer to the poverty level by virtue of the luxury commodity that gasoline/home heating oil have become in America and worry about all the old people and children who will forget what it feels like to be safe and toasty warm in the winter, assuming they can stay healthy and survive the cold days and nights they will be forced to suffer.
I'm consumed by a sense of betrayal as I watch the promise of religious freedom in America vanish before my eyes, replaced by a theocracy catering to one religious group, rendering all other religions unequal and substandard.
Yes, I'm consumed by lots of things. Hatred isn't one of them. I don't hate anyone or anything. Sadly, you and those of your ilk have cornered the market on that emotion, and I will pray for you, even if you do despise my particular God.
You need to take your hate goggles off
and read the entire thread before spouting your baseless accusations. I've struggled and am not rich monetarily. It's not my goal in life. I'm rich in other things, and with that I'm content. There are times I probably would have qualified for goverment help but I wouldn't take it. My needs got met, because I called on a higher welfare source and that's God. I in no way diminish the plight of others, and I don't think lower of others who do to get a leg up. I give to my church and other charities, and for you to accuse me of thinking or caring for others is not only pompus but a completely untrue accusation.
You said below that you don't take time off from *correcting* others, but you seriously need to take some time off and cool your jets, because you come off looking really hostile and mean.
Hate to say this, but I thought
you were talking about the good ol' USA before I read the article you posted. 
From:Think Progress.com
Right-Wing Radio Host Advocates Murdering Border Crossers
Right-wing radio host Brian James of KFYI in Arizona recently advocated murder as a way of dealing with undocumented immigrants. An excerpt:
What we’ll do is randomly pick one night - every week - where we will kill whoever crosses the border. Step over there and you die. You get to decide whether it’s your lucky night or not. I think that would be more fun…[I’d be] happy to sit there with my high-powered rifle and my night scope.'
The remarks prompted Arizona Attorney General Terry Goddard and U.S. Attorney Paul Charlton to send a complaint to the FCC. Here’s a portion:
At no time during this hour did Mr. James disavow violence or indicate he was joking. In fact, when one caller suggested Mr. James did not really mean he wanted to shoot and kill immigrants, Mr. James retorted that in fact he did mean it. Immediately after this exchange, Mr. James engaged the next caller in a discussion about the correct ammunition to use when shooting border crossers to make sure the shots would be fatal.
This type of threatening and inciting speech is dangerous and totally irresponsible for anyone, particularly a licensed body using public airways.
Brian James has not apologized and claims his comments were “satire.” Later, for a story on the KFYI website, James said “KFYI does not advocate shooting illegals. It might be fun, but they don’t advocate it.”
*Hate* jocks
You forgot to mention Garafalo, Franken, and the rest of the *Air America* hosts, but nobody listens to them, so I guess they don't really count do they. ;)
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