You hate blacks AND gays? You think Fox is the news..

• Joe the plumber not licensed, makes $40,000 a year, - not buying a business, owes back taxes, and...sm
  • McCain sure knows how to vet 'em. - First Palin, the Joe...what's next? nm
    • What's next? - gourdpainter
  • This is the story of one American's dream...sm - ms
    • Check out the "at 40,000/yr" post below. - O give the guy a "hand up", McC gives him...
  • And he's related to Charles Keating! - nm
    • okay, this is ridiculous already - WTH
      • Google Joe the plumber 40,000 and - The Christian Science Monitor! nm
      • Maybe the same place you pubs are coming up with the Ayers business??? n/m - gourdpainter
        • Do you have a brain and just choose not to use it? - sm
          • You just called Gourdie stupid and sm - Christian without the hate
          • No need to deny something that didn't happen. - Right wingers sure are getting grumpy. nm
        • I thought you were an independent, gourdpainter...you lean way left sometimes...nm - nm
          • I am an independent. s/m - gourdpainter
          • and leans right other times, but makes - good common sense all the time.
            • Oh, so this is why the dems are for gay marriages. - now I see
              • You hate blacks AND gays? You think Fox is the news.. - You are the perfect republican then
                • Love that race card. Pure class. sm - Concerned Voter
              • Why are you trying to belittle - Being supportive and sticking up for somebody? sm
        • Seriously - WTH
          • From a McCain backer - sm
            • Thank you for the answer - nm - WTH
              • Thank you for asking me - sm
          • You call Keating, Ayers, ACORN et all serious debate? - gourdpainter
            • FBI is investigating Bama's ACORN - you need to get a clue, gordo
              • They are investigating ACORN. - There is no such thing as Bama's ACORN...sm
            • ACORN is very serious - Zville MT
              • So, you think Mickey Mouse, 2nd graders, Dallas Cowboys and - dead folks are showing up to vote? nm
                • She;s right, it is serious. There was one student from England who voted early...sm - ms
                  • This is no partisan blame game. - ACORN is only the latest chapter in a...sm
                • Okay, that was a good one! - Zville MT
                  • I do appreciate your concern about - challenges to the results...sm
                    • I know, and there lies the problem - Zville MT
            • if you don't want to answer my question, would you please BUTT OFF - WTH
  • perhaps he owes back taxes - AmericanMT
    • At $40,000/yr, O gives him a tax cut. - McCain reduces corporate tax rate by 10%...sm
    • O's Make Work Pay plan will help absorb some of that IC tax. - JM's golden boy is a sham. sm
  • Mabye pubs should have researched - their poster boy first. nm
    • uhh... Joe the Plumber is not running for VP, leave - the nasty attacks for Palin, dems.nm
      • Ah, but he did win the debate. JM invoked his name so much, - Yould think Joe was the messiah. nm
        • No, just like the "honesty" and "integrity" - gourdpainter

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are the same liberal nut jobs who like politicians to blow smoke up their butt and they follow blindly and willingly.  They refuse to hear any other side and yet they spew about how fox news is one-sided.  I'm sorry, but fox news is more fair than any channel or station I've seen or heard.  Middle of the road people watch Fox.  A lot more people are tuning into Fox than other stations that is for sure.  So keep up your whining, screaming, and bad mouthing.  People who have an open mind and want to see things from all sides, they watch Fox.  People who refuse to hear or see anything but what they want to....watch MSNBC, etc. 

As for Glenn Beck....he does get a little extreme sometimes, but he is a libritarian.  He isn't pub or dem.  He says what he means and means what he says which is a heck of a lot more than I can say for Obama and our government right now.  They are too busy talking out of the sides of their mouths.  I don't agree with everything Glenn says, but I do believe he actually cares.  I don't agree with everything Bill O'Reilly says, but he does show things from both sides.  He isn't a pub either, FYI.  Sean Hannity.....I like his show because he gets both dems and pubs on there to talk.  He is definitely conservative and I don't agree with everything he says either, but he is a good interviewer.

The people who refuse to watch Fox are also the same ones who blame pubs for everything while refusing to believe that the dems are to blame for our current situation as well.  That is how blind they are.  They are so stuck on party politics that all they can do is point fingers at the pubs and whine and refuse to hear anything else.  Both parties are to blame.

The ratings prove everything.  More and more people are tuning into Fox.  Get a clue and stop your whining.

really scared me was when Obama was in Germany and a German citizen stated, "He's the new Messiah." This was on the evening news when he was on his around the world blitz. He really had no reason to do all that traveling as if he was already the President. What was he trying to prove??? That he can charm the world? It won't work if he becomes President.

'Nuff said.

Interesting column from the Times, written by a black. I bring this here just as a matter of interest. I found it to be quite interesting.

Op-Ed Columnist
Gay Marriage and a Moral Minority
By CHARLES M. BLOW
Published: November 29, 2008

We now know that blacks probably didn’t tip the balance for Proposition 8. Myth busted. However, the fact remains that a strikingly high percentage of blacks said they voted to ban same-sex marriage in California. Why?

There was one very telling (and virtually ignored) statistic in CNN’s exit poll data that may shed some light: There were far more black women than black men, and a higher percentage of them said that they voted for the measure than the men. How wide was the gap? According to the exit poll, 70 percent of all blacks said that they voted for the proposition. But 75 percent of black women did. There weren’t enough black men in the survey to provide a reliable percentage for them. However, one can mathematically deduce that of the raw number of survey respondents, nearly twice as many black women said that they voted for it than black men.

Why? Here are my theories:

(1) Blacks are much more likely than whites to attend church, according to a Gallup report, and black women are much more likely to attend church than black men. Anyone who has ever been to a black church can attest to the disparity in the pews. And black women’s church attendance may be increasing.

According to a report issued this spring by Child Trends, a nonprofit research center, weekly church attendance among black 12th graders rose 26 percent from 1993 to 2006, while weekly church attendance for white 12th graders remained virtually flat. In 2006, those black teenagers were nearly 50 percent more likely to attend church once a week than their white counterparts. And it is probably safe to assume that many of them were going to church with their mothers since Child Trends reported that around the time that they were born, nearly 70 percent of all black children were born to single mothers.

(2) This high rate of church attendance by blacks informs a very conservative moral view. While blacks vote overwhelmingly Democratic, an analysis of three years of national data from Gallup polls reveals that their views on moral issues are virtually indistinguishable from those of Republicans. Let’s just call them Afropublicrats.

(3) Marriage can be a sore subject for black women in general. According to 2007 Census Bureau data, black women are the least likely of all women to be married and the most likely to be divorced. Women who can’t find a man to marry might not be thrilled about the idea of men marrying each other.

Proponents of gay marriage would do well to focus on these women if they want to win black votes. A major reason is that black women vote at a higher rate than black men. In the CNN national exit poll, there were 40 percent more black women than black men, and in California there were 50 percent more. But gay marriage advocates need to hone their strategy to reach them.

First, comparing the struggles of legalizing interracial marriage with those to legalize gay marriage is a bad idea. Many black women do not seem to be big fans of interracial marriage either. They’re the least likely of all groups to intermarry, and many don’t look kindly on the black men who intermarry at nearly three times the rate that they do, according to a 2005 study of black intermarriage rates in the Wisconsin Law Review. Wrong reference. Don’t even go there.

Second, don’t debate the Bible. You can’t win. Religious faith is not defined by logic, it defies it. Instead, decouple the legal right from the religious rite, and emphasize the idea of acceptance without endorsement.

Then, make it part of a broader discussion about the perils of rigidly applying yesterday’s sexual morality to today’s sexual mores. Show black women that it backfires. The stigma doesn’t erase the behavior, it pushes it into the shadows where, devoid of information and acceptance, it become more risky.

For instance, most blacks find premarital sex unacceptable, according to the Gallup data. But, according to data from a study by the Guttmacher Institute, blacks are 26 percent more likely than any other race to have had premarital sex by age 18, and the pregnancy rate for black teens is twice that of white teens. They still have premarital sex, but they do so uninformed and unprotected.

That leads to a bigger problem. According to a 2004 report by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, black women have an abortion rate that is three times that of white women.

More specifically, blacks overwhelmingly say that homosexuality isn’t morally acceptable. So many black men hide their sexual orientations and engage in risky behavior. This has resulted in large part in black women’s becoming the fastest-growing group of people with H.I.V. In a 2003 study of H.I.V.-infected people, 34 percent of infected black men said they had sex with both men and women, while only 6 percent of infected black women thought their partners were bisexual. Tragic. (In contrast, only 13 percent of the white men in the study said they had sex with both men and women, while 14 percent of the white women said that they knew their partners were bisexual.)

So pitch it as a health issue. The more open blacks are to the idea of homosexuality, the more likely black men would be to discuss their sexual orientations and sexual histories. The more open they are, the less likely black women would be to put themselves at risk unwittingly. And, the more open blacks are to homosexuality over all, the more open they are likely to be to gay marriage. This way, everyone wins.

(CNN) -- A Florida circuit judge Tuesday struck down a 31-year-old state law that prevents gays and lesbians from adopting children, allowing a North Miami man to adopt two half-brothers he and his partner have raised as foster children since 2004.

"There is no question, the blanket exclusion of gay applicants defeats Florida's goal of providing dependent children a permanent family through adoption," Judge Cindy S. Lederman wrote in her 53-page ruling.

"The best interests of children are not preserved by prohibiting homosexual adoption."

The state attorney general's office has appealed the decision.

Lederman said there is no moral or scientific reason for banning gays and lesbians from adopting, despite the state's arguments otherwise. The state argued that gays and lesbians have higher odds of suffering from depression, affective and anxiety disorders and substance abuse, and that their households are more unstable.

Lederman said the ban violated children's right to permanency provided under the Florida statute and under the federal Adoption and Safe Families Act of 1997. Whether the ban violated the state's equal protection clause by singling out gays and lesbians should be considered, she said.

Lederman's ruling paves the way for Martin Gill to legally adopt the two half-brothers, ages 4 and 8, whom he has cared for since December 2004, the American Civil Liberties Union said.

The two boys, who are referred to as John and James Doe in court documents, were removed from their homes on allegations of abandonment and neglect.

On that December evening, John and James left a world of chronic neglect, emotional impoverishment and deprivation to enter a new world, foreign to them, that was nurturing, safe, structured and stimulating," Lederman wrote.

In 2006, the children's respective fathers' rights were terminated, court documents said, and they remained in the care of Gill and his partner.

"Our family just got a lot more to be thankful for this Thanksgiving," Gill said Tuesday, according to the ACLU, which represented him.

Florida is the only state that specifically bans all "homosexual" people from adopting children, although it does allow them to be foster parents.

This month, Arkansas voters approved a ballot measure to prohibit unmarried partners -- same-sex or opposite-sex couples -- from adopting children or from serving as foster parents. The measure is similar to one in Utah, which excludes same-sex couples indirectly through a statute barring all unmarried couples from adopting or taking in foster children.

Mississippi allows single gays and lesbians to adopt, but prohibits same-sex couples from adopting.

Neal Skene, spokesman for the Florida Department of Children and Families, said the appeal was filed so a statewide resolution on the law could be determined by an appellate court. He noted that another Florida circuit judge declared the law unconstitutional this year but that ruling had not been appealed.

"We need a statewide determination by the appellate courts," he said.

Gill's adoption petition cannot be approved until the appeal process is finished, Skene said, but the children will remain in Gill's home.

"These are wonderful foster parents," Skene said. "It's just that we have a statute, [and] the statute is very clear on the issue of adoption."

Several organizations -- including the National Adoption Center, the American Medical Association, the American Psychological Association and the American Academy of Pediatrics -- have said that having gay and lesbian parents does not negatively affect children.

The Evan B. Donaldson Adoption Institute, a nonprofit organization that studies adoption and foster care, hailed the decision.

"This ban, which was the only one of its kind in the country, has done nothing but undermine the prospects of boys and girls in the foster care system to get permanent, loving homes," said Adam Pertman, the Adoption Institute's executive director, in a written statement.

"So this decision by Judge Lederman is a very important, hopeful ruling for children who need families."

Reading these posts I am trying to understand why Gov. Palin is hated so much.  I'd like to know facts (not rumors or lies).  Can you provide me with answers as to why.  I just don't understand it.

The conversative republicans on this board are not coming out with hate towards Obama/Biden, and I really don't see much hate towards McCain, but the actual hate is seeping out and infiltrating all of your thoughts with Gov. Palin and I cannot understand why.  I've seen her interviewed.  She doesn't seem too bad.  She's knowledgeable about the issues and answers questions with confidence.  I've also seen Obama, Biden and McCain interviewed too and I just don't understand what it is towards Gov. Palin but not the others. 

Please provide facts too.  Everything I am reading on this board are rumors and lies, so if you could just tell me.  Even if you say you don't like her because she's pretty, or she decided to have a baby instead of aborting him, etc I don't mind answers like that because they will be truthful, but please don't tell me you hate her because of something manufacted, or for something she is not personally involved in.

Just trying to understand.

I think there are a few bone fide nut jobs on this post that got a whole lot of people sucked into their delusions.  Fooled me twice. Later!

going to happen (talking about issues). There are too many new ones on here now and all they want to do is name calling, pick fights, and won't try to find the truth and, sadly, it's also the way of the country nowadays.  I have been appalled at the reaction lately and even ones who have been on here a long time and always posted decently are turning into the negative posters, too.

Unless the posters start following the rules of this board, I doubt it will ever change.