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Do I need to order up more crow?

Posted By: gourdpainter on 2008-11-19
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I can't remember why I was suppose to eat crow, only something about the election.  Whatever it was, I'm gnawing on a crow bone as I speak.  I am VERY unhappy with the people Obama is surrounding himself with.  Doggone it if I wanted the Clintons back I'd of voted for Billary!!!  I think we can safely dispense now with Ayers et al.  Clintons and Bushes are still gonna rule and that's a surprise for me.


Another order of crow and please send some more BBQ sauce!! LOL




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LOL! No crow for you, GP!

I looked back to see why you originally offered to eat crow, and it was because of Obama's potential appointment of Hillary for SOS.


Don't worry, though.  Since the majority of Obama's appointments seem to be former Clintonites, you (and I) will have plenty to eat once he's finished recreating the Clinton cabinet.


P.S.  Thanks to "ms" for the kind wishes to me.  I just saw them now (and responded) when I looked back for GP's post.


Nothing to eat crow about since
Thank the Navy Seals.
hope you like crow
because it truly does look like Obama will win this election so prepare yourself for a large meal consisting of crow when you realize you have missed the point and it is too late to to anything about it. You think JYP is a hypocrite? You ain't seen nothing yet! Or perhaps civil rights just don't matter to you except on your terms.
crow eating
that was me :-P lol

I hope you didn't take it offensively!
How much crow shall we reserve
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Crow eating s/m
Well, may as well start cooking up the crow.  When Obama appoints Hillary SOS I'll start eating.  HOWEVER, I still maintain that McCain would also have been  more of the same.  I fear we're under Bush/Clinton dictatorship and any "change" Obama makes is likely to be just to carry on their agenda which is to sell out American IMHO.  Maybe we'd all better develop a taste for real crow as that may be all that's left for us to eat.
No reason for anyone to eat crow.
No matter whether we voted for Obama or McCain, we are all in this together now.  We just have keep a positive outlook and hope for the best.
Pass the crow, please.......sm

After our rather heated debate tonight, I went off in search of answers to the questions of Obama's qualifications to be POTUS, and here is what I found. 


The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps.


Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"


US Code Title 8,1401 states the following as a qualification of a natural-born US citizen.  (http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001401----000-.html).  This is the only qualification that Obama actually passes to qualify to be POTUS, but one is all that is needed as all the qualifications listed are exclusive of each other. 

(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;

Since this does not specify a particular time frame in which the US citizen parent must live in the US prior to the birth of the child, it must be assumed that any one-year residency would satisfy the requirement. 

Somehow crow for Thanksgiving dinner just isn't quite what I had in mind.  Please make sure it is well done with lots of BBQ sauce. 


 


Nope! No crow for YOU...

or GP or me...not today.  Today is turkey day!


Tomorrow, the three of us can get back to our crow-eating endeavors.  LOL. 


Can I cook you that crow now? :)
It's good to see you back! :)

Too bad we can't talk about how great things have gotten lately!
Nope, don't put the crow on just yet

I was just saying that I'm not happy so far, didn't really expect to be from the beginning BUT I will give anyone a chance and I don't see how his plans are going to work for the common good.  If the insurance companies are fighting his medical care overhaul, then it's a safe bet that he MIGHT be on the right track.  Time will tell.  In maybe a year (?) when this stimulus (nonsense to me) has all been spent, there will be time enough to see whether he was right or wrong.  I know the day will never come when I will regret voting AGAINST McCain/Palin.  McCain himself probably wouldn't have been so bad but I personally wouldn't vote for Palin for dog catcher.  Why people (my son included) think she would have saved the world is beyond my comprehension.  If the Republicans are dumb enough to run her in 2010, it wouldn't surprise me if she wins and if she does, some of you who supported her may be eating crow.


As for the late abortion issue, I'm dead set against that.  HOWEVER, I'll never pass judgment on anyone.  I still think that issue belongs with the woman, her doctor and her pastor if she has one.


I'd sure prefer lobster to crow. LOL n/m

Well, crow is kinda tasty once you get used to it. LOL
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hope you have a lot of recipes for ways to eat crow
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I'll agree with you - not on the crow thing
But the disturbing fact that he is surrounding himself with the Clintonites. I thought the O kept running on the platform of Change. This is not change. This is the same ol same ol. The Clinton presidency was so nauseating and so much damage was done. Even though I didn't want the O to win I at least had hopes he would bring in new people. Not the same bumbling bubble heads.


In no particular order.
*Jobs. I want to know what they are going to do about all the jobs going overseas and the companies the send them, etc.

*Healthcare. This is huge to me.

*National security. To me this also includes a cleanup of our image abroad. I would like to possibly go to a different country at some point and I would love to not have everyone hate me as soon as I open my mouth. People can say all they want about "I don't care what people think of us." But, you should - it is a matter of security. Also, I believe it would be more beneficial to have more friends in case the time came that we needed it.

*Immigration/illegal immigrants.

*It is important to me to keep Roe v. Wade. Not because I support abortion so, because I don't but I hate to think of what would happen if it was not legal. I do not necessarily support funding for it though.

These are a few important ones to me right now.
You must be doing the same in order to
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This would be on the order of.

those nineteen 9/11 guys drinking in strip bars to 'blend in' while taking flight training and planning the attacks.  I realize it is only heresy to actually defect from Islam, not just to appear to convert for strategic purposes.  Still it would have to be a very big conspiracy, wouldn't it?  And you would think some Imam or other would be issuing a show fatwa or two just to keep up appearances?


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Issues. No particular order #2.
1. Civil Rights. Comprehensive Patriot Act reform. Expand hate crime status, deceptive voting practices, racial profiling, sentencing disparities for minority offenders and better support programs for ex-offenders as the reintegrate into free world to reduce recidivism in crime rates, incorporate medical treatment for drug offenders into sentencing and rehabilitation initiatives.
2. Economy. Job creation such as green jobs (clean technology, renewable energy), invest in national infrastructure jobs, address outsourcing issues such as NAFTA reform, end tax breaks for companies who outsource, tax incentives for companies who preserve American jobs, tax relief for the middle class, tax relief for small businesses and start-up businesses, ensure workers' freedom to unionize and right to organize, raise minimum wage, clean up mortgage industry, address predatory credit card practices.
3. Ethics. Address lobbying, federal contracts, tax breaks, earmarks and special interests practices and reform.
4. Faith. Maintain strict constitutional separation of church and state and ensure freedom of all religions.
5. Fiscal. Fiscal discipline, balance budget, reduce debt, tax system reform for better efficiency.
6. Foreign Policy. End war in Iraq, reform contracting practices relative to war reparations, restore alliances, renew American diplomacy, particularly in the Middle East, strengthen NATO, address global poverty, nuclear waste cleanup and nonproliferation.
7. Health Care. Quality, affordable, portable health care, accessible for all Americans, lower costs across the board and particularly for prescription drugs.
8. Immigration. Streamline immigration bureaucracy, legalization initiatives that keep families together, expansion of bilingual education for special needs of immigrants who seek legal status, eliminate incentive to immigrate illegally by cracking down on employers who hire illegals, a better working partnership with Mexico to promote economic development to reduce illegal immigration.
9. Poverty. Expansion of transitional jobs and career pathway programs aimed at low-income Americans in workforce, Green Job Corp, improve transportation access to jobs, promote responsible fatherhood, Community Development Block Grant programs, affordable housing.
10. Rural. Subsidize family farmers, not agribusiness, encourage organic and local agriculture, connect rural America with communications infrastructure improvements, improve health care delivery, education and roads, bridges, dams infrastructure
11. Seniors and Select Specialty Hospital. Protect Social Security, affordable health care, develop community based senior supportive care systems, expand outreach for seniors.
12. Technology. Insure an open internet as highway to connected and transparent democracy, modernize communications infrastructure. FCC reform to promote diversity in media ownership.
13. Women's issues. Protect Roe-vs-Wade, promote sex education in schools, access to birth control and promote stem cell research.

New World Order
Maybe the reason the republicans never revoked Roe Vs. Wade is because they believe in the new world order, mentioned many times by Bush Sr.
You do not know what the new world order is
look it up.
New World Order
http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?t=83660
Thanks - was just getting ready to put in an order
Will check those out too.
If a gag order were issued............ sm
it would likely have originated with the military intelligence office. Maybe Gibbs ordered it, who knows? LOL The point is there is more that goes on in the media and the military than meets the eye. We are only priviledged to know what they want us to know.
Interesting point of order.
I never once called you a name, insulted or denigrated you.  I just pointed out that you might want to fully explored something from both sides before making a statement.  So who exactly is sniping at whom here? 
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All is in divine and perfect order
Another stabilizing force is Barack Obama. He will be poised and positioned perfectly to bring the entire planet together, there-by creating yet another grid of unity that will serve to stabilize things as much as possible during the fall. We will connect and support each other through his divine and highly evolved leadership. All, as always, is in divine and perfect order.
We have had our financial plan in order

for quite some time for just such a thing. We haven't spent foolishly or lived above our means. New toys and technology don't impress us much. We have been fortunate and blessed.


I don't know -- that's a pretty tall order!!


A gag order on the media? Doubtful.
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It's a gag order to protect the dolt
He started calling the media and proudly proclaiming his guilt, that he knew what he did, that it was part of an Islamic revenge for our presence in the middle east, ad nauseum. I can't remember if it was the DA or the judge, but they quickly threw a gag order on everything because his shooting off his mouth would likely have led to a mistrial because of the inability to find a jury that hadn't been tainted by his pretrial blathering.
Clinton & Carter DID NOT ORDER any such things.

Do you lie on purpose to emulate your God Bush or are you just so lacking in common sense and intelligence that you unquestioning believe everything ANY neocon says?


Either way, YOU'RE SPREADING LIES.  In case you haven't noticed lately, AMERICANS ARE GETTING FED UP WITH LIARS....especially UNDEREDUCATED, ILLITERATE, HATEFUL, JUDGMENTAL liars. 


CLINTON DID NOT ORDER WARRANTLESS SEARCHES OF AMERICAN CITIZENS
Here's what Clinton signed:


Section 1. Pursuant to section 302(a)(1) [50 U.S.C. 1822(a)] of the [Foreign Intelligence Surveillance] Act, the Attorney General is authorized to approve physical searches, without a court order, to acquire foreign intelligence information for periods of up to one year, if the Attorney General makes the certifications required by that section.

You don't have to be a lawyer to understand that Clinton allowed warrantless searches if and only if the AG followed section 302(a)(1). What does section 1822(a) require?



  • the physical search is solely directed at premises, information, material, or property used exclusively by, or under the open and exclusive control of, a foreign power or powers. Translation: You can't search American citizens.
  • and there is no substantial likelihood that the physical search will involve the premises, information, material, or property of a United States person. Translation: You can't search American citizens.

  • Moreover, Clinton's warrant waiver consistent with FISA refers only to physical searches. Physical searches, as defined by 1821(5), exclude electronic surveillance.


    CARTER DID NOT AUTHORIZE WARRANTLESS SEARCHES OF AMERICAN CITIZENS
    And now, Carter's turn:

    1-101. Pursuant to Section 102(a)(1) of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1802(a)), the Attorney General is authorized to approve electronic surveillance to acquire foreign intelligence information without a court order, but only if the Attorney General makes the certifications required by that Section.
Here, Carter refers to electronic surveillance, rather than physical searches like Clinton. But again, Carter limits the warrantless surveillance to the requirements of Section 1802(a). That section requires:



  • the electronic surveillance is solely directed at communications exclusively between or among foreign powers. Translation: You can't spy on American citizens.
  • there is no substantial likelihood that the surveillance will acquire the contents of any communication to which a United States person is a party. Translation: You can't spy on American citizens.

Section 1803(a)(2) requires that the Attorney General report to Congress (specifically, the House and Senate Intelligence Committees) about whether any American citizens were involved, what minimization procedures were undertaken to avoid it and protect their identities, and whether his actions comply with the law.


It's called check and balance!


China Leads the New World Order

China leads the New World Order.


Don't believe it?  Look at Bush toasting the commie leaders... all of our trade deals with them...Who has us by the balls financially.... A huge component of the creation of the North American Union is megaports on the Western coast to accommodate huge Chinese tankers.... Look at Paulson and his ties with commie China.... The lone Republican lawmaker who voted against Berancke's confirmation says that Bernacke has extensive ties to commie China so it is a conflict of interest...


The above is just a sampling. The bottom line is that we will wind up just like China, with slave labor, before it's all over with.


 


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Words in the form of an executive order
If you are content to subscribe in all this voodoo spell casting and foreboding pronouncements to nowhere, be my guest. I prefer to stay grounded in the reality of the moment and give time for the plan to unfold.
You gotta be pretty low in order to look up to these snake
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there's no media coverage because they issued a gag order -
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Do you know what bipartisan is? Both sides made concessions in order to .sm
make it a reflection of bipartisanship so that both parties would be able to vote for it. Of course there will always be some people that will not be satisfied. That is the nature of things. However, to say that because Nancy Pelosi is responsible for the loss of votes because she made harsh statements about the Bush administration is just ridiculous.
In order to curtail shipping jobs overseas

our F.L. must first crack the whip on Congress, who are the ones that can change tax codes to make offshoring less profitable.   ''Yes we can'' will have to take a back seat as long as special interests can spread around enough dough to Congress to buy ''Oh no you can't!'' 


I'm no Obama fan, but don't we all realize that presidential candidates run on a wish list of items they would like to implement, knowing that they will never be permitted to accomplish many of these things?  But, gosh darn it, they still get credit for trying real hard! 


Obama may believe he has a Dem-majority congress firmly in hand, but these guys count on campaign money for re-election.  And that money is, for the most part, donated by business interests.  The businesses certainly do not consider these to be charitable gifts, but investments in obtaining legislative outcomes that work for them. 


Obama has, at most, one presidential re-election to worry about.  Congressmen can run for unlimited terms and have to make very long-range calculations before they dare to offend offshoring companies by closing tax loopholes that make it better for them to offshore than not. 


Putting together job programs in order to get people back to work....sm
able to perhaps save their homes and families, able to pay taxes, which will in turn pay for social programs, support the infrastructure, and then when folk are back to work they will feel secure in perhaps purchasing again, which will help businesses....FDR did it, it takes time, it is not a quick fix, it won't make Obama into Merlin, it took 8 LONG YEARS to get into this bottomless pit, can we give this administration at least a year or two to try to get things moving upward again? I may not support every social program included therein, but work is being done, adn will continue. I used to cross the desert on occasion when I lived in CA, and I am starting to see vultures on the side of the road again circling and not even waiting to pounce and pull apart the government. Why? Just my opion.
Yes, giving the NAVY SEALS the order is a good thing
Although they really didn't need his okay, but I'll give you that. It was a good decision, but cripes, professing that he is a hero???? The NAVY SEALS are the hero's. The NAVY SEALS are the ones who rescued him. The O did not accompany them and help rescue this guy. You HATE the fact that we are bringing up a valid point...the O did not board the ship and help bring the Captain home. He gave an order. There is nothing to eat crow about. And because he gave an order that it was okay for them to go in certainly doesn't mean he's "doing good for the country". This is one incident. Good for the country????? Let's see bail outs, trillion dollar deficitis, more bail outs, pork filled spending bills, more bail out, lining up a cabinet filled with crooks and people who don't pay taxes, raising taxes on middle income, enforcing the patriot act worse than the previous administration, telling other countries Americans are selfish and other things, bowing to an enemy leader, etc etc etc. This is not "doing good for the country" and the Obama worshipers/lovers won't admit this. Your lord is not doing good for the country.

We're you proud of Bush when he gave the orders to rescue the hostages in Iran, or Jessica Lynch from WV, or any of the other orders to rescue hostages? No, you did not profess to be proud of him.

So that's the way it goes here with the Obama lovers.

Obama issues an order to save a captain - You and others reply - "Thank you Obama, I'm so proud of you, you're just the bestest ever President in the whole wide world".

Bush issues an order to save hostages in Iran, Jessica Lynch and other hostages in different areas - you and others reply - "So what, he's just a moron".

Tell me where the sense is that? It's called none!
Try again. Nagin made the first evacuation order voluntary when everyone told him it should be mand
he waited a full 24 hours after that to make it mandatory. In his defense, nothing like Katrina had happened before, and he probably thought he had time. And people were not leaving like they should, because they had been through hurricanes before, right? That's what they thought. And by the time it finally sunk in and the evac order was made mandatory, they did not have time to get everyone out, and even THEN people refused to get out. the logistics had become impossible. You refuse to recognize any of that. The timeline said that every time Nagin asked for anything the President responded. Right on site FEMA did not respond as it should to some things, but that is not the fault of George Bush personally.

George Bush ignored nothing. He declared emergencies when asked, he mobilized FEMA, he tried to get state and local authorities to grant the federals more power to take over...you see by separation of power, he HAS to do that. He cannot MAKE the state and local authorities do any thing if they do not wish to. They have to abrigate power to the feds, and they were late in doing so.

But go ahead...blame one single man for a disaster. It is sad, sad that hate is so focused on one single man that it blinds a person to anything else.