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Don't cross a bridge that isn't built yet, if ever

Posted By: dea on 2008-11-06
In Reply to: Obama supporters.... - sm

I didn't vote for Obama, but I'm not upset that he won.


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Not about how fast Rome was built....
but how fast it FELL.
Reality check: Rome wasn't built in a day.
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With the stimulus package there are built in tax credits for small businesses and SBA...sm
I have worked in retail as an assistant buyer and see their profit margins...and I know there are many legit, honest, mom and pop stores, but they usually make up for it by hiring school kids for slave wages and also family members. I am talking about across the board, in factories, retail, hospitalitiy, techno, every sector, these workers would all be paying more EACH WEEK into the the tax stucture in this country, strengtheing our reserves, becomeing consumers themselves because they can finally afford something....I feel like I dropped from another planet here, or industry in MT is not the norm by far.
Red Cross CEO

After a very quick Google search, I found this, which indicates a salary of "roughly $149,000."  (I personally thought the number would be much higher, but not as high as multi-million bonuses, etc. that we're paying for Wall Street to have.)  And as far as Pelosi, she should ride commercial, just like everyone else, IMHO.


Monday, August 4, 2008



Charity Navigator's 2008 CEO Compensation Study is Complete




Even though some our users have clearly expressed their discontent with the compensation CEOs of their favorite charities receive, Charity Navigator’s 2008 CEO study indicates that the average CEO compensation is roughly $149,000, and represents on average 3.32% of an organization’s overall expenses. While some donors disagree that a nonprofit CEO deserves to earn a six figure salary, we ask that you keep in mind that the charities included in this study are multi-million dollar operations. Leading one of them requires an individual that possesses both an understanding of the issues that are unique to the charity's mission as well as business and management expertise similar to that required of for-profit CEOs.


http://blog.charitynavigator.org/2008/08/charity-navigators-2008-ceo.html


 


Also known as the Cross of Nero sm
We think of it as a peace sign, but its origins are satanic. Nero thought there would be peace only without Christianity and thousands of Christians were killed under his rule. It is funny you posted this. I am reading up on this stuff after watching a religious video by a guy named Dave Hunt. I am trying to research some of the things these Christians are saying about the Society of Jesus and the Vatican.
climb off your cross

this politically correct horsesh*t is a joke - get all self-righteous


I think McCain's goose egg is brown and probably still resides in his flaccid diaper -  go cry about that


I agree with you Big Bad, there is a lot of cross-over (sm)
And we should all have tolerance for each other.  That means tolerance for Christians too. While I agree that having a completely religious discussion may be inappropriate for this board, the times that it is related to the political topic it is appropriate.  I try not to shove my religious beliefs down anyone's throat because I feel like if anything that is going to accomplish the opposite (lol).  But when asked a question I do want to answer with my honest opinion, and when I see another Christian posting something that I don't believe, I want to give my point of view, so that everyone knows that all Christians don't believe the same thing. 
International Red Cross


Red Cross Described 'Torture' at CIA Jails


Secret Report Implies That U.S. Violated International Law







   






















Washington Post Staff Writers
Monday, March 16, 2009; Page A01



The International Committee of the Red Cross concluded in a secret report that the Bush administration's treatment of al-Qaeda captives "constituted torture," a finding that strongly implied that CIA interrogation methods violated international law, according to newly published excerpts from the long-concealed 2007 document.



The report, an account alleging physical and psychological brutality inside CIA "black site" prisons, also states that some U.S. practices amounted to "cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment." Such maltreatment of detainees is expressly prohibited by the Geneva Conventions.


The findings were based on an investigation by ICRC officials, who were granted exclusive access to the CIA's "high-value" detainees after they were transferred in 2006 to the U.S. detention camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The 14 detainees, who had been kept in isolation in CIA prisons overseas, gave remarkably uniform accounts of abuse that included beatings, sleep deprivation, extreme temperatures and, in some cases, waterboarding, or simulating drowning.


At least five copies of the report were shared with the CIA and top White House officials in 2007 but barred from public release by ICRC guidelines intended to preserve the humanitarian group's strict policy of neutrality in conflicts. A copy of the report was obtained by Mark Danner, a journalism professor and author who published extensive excerpts in the April 9 edition of the New York Review of Books, released yesterday. He did not say how he obtained the report.


"The ill-treatment to which they were subjected while held in the CIA program, either singly or in combination, constituted torture," Danner quoted the report as saying.


Many of the details of alleged mistreatment at CIA prisons had been reported previously, but the ICRC report is the most authoritative account and the first to use the word "torture" in a legal context.


The CIA declined to comment. A U.S. official familiar with the report said, "It is important to bear in mind that the report lays out claims made by the terrorists themselves."


Often using the detainee's own words, the report offers a harrowing view of conditions at the secret prisons, where prisoners were told they were being taken "to the verge of death and back," according to one excerpt. During interrogations, the captives were routinely beaten, doused with cold water and slammed head-first into walls. Between sessions, they were stripped of clothing, bombarded with loud music, exposed to cold temperatures, and deprived of sleep and solid food for days on end. Some detainees described being forced to stand for days, with their arms shackled above them, wearing only diapers.



 

"On a daily basis . . . a collar was looped around my neck and then used to slam me against the walls of the interrogation room," the report quotes detainee Tawfiq bin Attash, also known as Walid Muhammad bin Attash, as saying. Later, he said, he was wrapped in a plastic sheet while cold water was "poured onto my body with buckets." He added: "I would be wrapped inside the sheet with cold water for several minutes. Then I would be taken for interrogation."


ICRC officials did not dispute the authenticity of the excerpts, but a spokesman expressed dismay over the leak of the material. "We regret information attributed to the ICRC report was made public in this manner," spokesman Bernard Barrett said.


"The ICRC has been visiting the detainees formerly held by the CIA," he added, "at Guantanamo since 2006. Any concerns or observations the ICRC had when visiting the detainees are part of a confidential dialogue."


President George W. Bush acknowledged the use of coercive interrogation tactics on senior al-Qaeda captives detained by the CIA in the aftermath of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, but he insisted that the measures complied with U.S. and international law. Former CIA director Michael V. Hayden confirmed last year that the measures included the use of waterboarding on three captives before 2003.


President Obama outlawed such practices within hours of his inauguration in January. But Obama has expressed reluctance to conduct a legal inquiry into the CIA's policies.



The report gives a graphic account of the treatment of Zayn al-Abidin Muhammed Hussein, better known as Abu Zubaida, a Saudi-born Palestinian who was the first alleged senior al-Qaeda operative seized after Sept. 11 -- a characterization of his role that is disputed by his attorneys, who describe him as having a different philosophy of jihad than bin Laden.


Abu Zubaida was severely wounded during a shootout in March 2002 at a safe house he ran in Faisalabad, Pakistan, and survived thanks to CIA-arranged medical care, including multiple surgeries. After he recovered, Abu Zubaida describes being shackled to a chair at the feet and hands for two to three weeks in a cold room with "loud, shouting type music" blaring constantly, according to the ICRC report. He said that he was questioned two to three hours a day and that water was sprayed in his face if he fell asleep.


At some point -- the timing is unclear from the New York Review of Books report -- Abu Zubaida's treatment became harsher. In July 2002, administration lawyers approved more aggressive techniques.


Abu Zubaida said interrogators wrapped a towel around his neck and slammed him into a plywood wall mounted in his cell. He was also repeatedly slapped in the face, he said. After the beatings, he was placed in coffinlike wooden boxes in which he was forced to crouch, with no light and a restricted air supply, he said.


"The stress on my legs held in this position meant my wounds both in my leg and stomach became very painful," he told the ICRC.


After he was removed from a small box, he said, he was strapped to what looked like a hospital bed and waterboarded. "A black cloth was then placed over my face and the interrogators used a mineral bottle to pour water on the cloth so that I could not breathe," Abu Zubaida said.


After breaks to allow him to recover, the waterboarding continued.


"I struggled against the straps, trying to breathe, but it was hopeless," he said. "I though I was going to die."


I sent a rather generous check to the Red Cross.

How much did you contribute?


That's the average salary, not the Red Cross
That's kind of misleading, since it's the average salary for a non-profit CEO and whereas there are many little ones, the CEOs of the big ones (Red Cross and United Way) do make huge amounts. Takes a lot of nerve for them to ask me for my pittance of a donation!

Mine goes to Salvation Army.

As to the bridge to nowhere...
she changed her mind...kinda like Biden did when first he said Obama could not be effective President as it did not lend itself to on-the-job training...now that he is on the ticket Obama is the best thing since sliced bread. If Palin is a liar...Joe Biden is a bigger one. So she got some earmarks for her city...Obama got one for his wife's employer right after they DOUBLED her salary. At least wasilla got the earmarks Palin went after...not her husband's business. Obama comes out on the wrong side of that one too.

Messy little facts about Obama/Biden...Palin still way ahead.
Silver Linings and a Cross of Gold

Why some people love Bush and Israel so much.  


http://harpers.org/rapture-ready-20060718001.html


I've been lurking on the other board (after learning quickly not to post there any more), and they also confirm the end is near.  I can almost understand why some would be so excited about the end of the world after 6 years of Bush.  It almost even looks good to me.   


That teacher also burned a cross into a student's arm.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,369549,00.html
"...go to court AGAINST a Christian who wants to wear a cross"
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yah - and I have a bridge for sale
Sure, she cares about you and me. And I've got a bridge for sale too. I'll send you my address and you just send me the money order. I hope she doesn't get elected. She has no shame. She thinks if its not working one way, lets get rid of the oponent "permanently". I don't think she's smart. Somewhere someone came up with that lame-brain idea "oh but she's the smartest woman on the planet" pullease. She's not smart, she's manipulative, devious, lying and deceitful. I have read about her life and her career and never found where she looked out for the underprivaleged. It's always been me, me, me, and my rich friends. Why everyone bows down to those two ninny's I have no idea. They are a couple of trailer trash who bought their way into the political scene. Calling Hillary a socialist is a plain and simple fact. Hillary, like Karl Marx envisions the world to be a "utopia" where the "authority" takes the wealth from many and redistributes it according to the whims and principles of a few (yes I just copied that statement from an article I read - and a pretty darn good one that really gets to the truth and I could have not said it any better). And who does she believe should lead this? Herself of course.
Believe me...she is manipulative and will stop at anything to get what she wants (even if it means eliminating your oponent - and I'm not the only one who took her statements that way - half of America and half of the media who used to support and defend her took it that way too). I don't call this energetic, I call it evil. Plain and simple. She and her lobbyist friends and colleagues who are all for putting her in charge need to read the Declaration of Independence, and if they have read it they need to re-read it and follow it. This is just not a document some people wrote up for her to change at her will. This is a roadmap our forefather's drew up for America to follow. Not for Hillary & Bill to change to read how they want to rule.
A bridge to Nowhere? Really? for sale? nm
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MCcAIN cited bridge to nowhere

as one reason for collapse of bridge in Minnesota.  Mini-Maverick probably threw a hissy.


 


Back Under The Bridge, Troll
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to see McCain's pictures click on the red cross marks, disregard the 1st...nm
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If you really think I care about you and the country I also have a bridge for sale.
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Obama and Biden voted for the bridge to nowhere....twice....

Hmmm....after all that castigating of Bush for Katrina...Obama and Biden had chance to shift funds for the Bridge to Nowhere to Katrina relief...and voted AGAINST it in favor of the bridge.


Now that Alaska is front and center in the news again, it is a good time to catch up on a favorite story, The Bridge to Nowhere, using the Washington Post US Congress Votes Database.


Though Gov. Palin originally supported the earmark spending on the Ketchikan bridge (“to nowhere), she eventually killed the project, choosing to spend Federal money on other infrasturcture programs.


However, Sen. Biden and Sen. Obama voted for funding the Bridge, even when given a second chance by Sen. Tom Coburn (R), who proposed shifting earmark funds to Katrina relief.


Sen. McCain did not vote on the Coburn Amendment, though he is on record as opposing the Ketchikan bridge earmark.


Link to votes record below.


http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/109/senate/1/votes/262/


 


Does not chang the fact that they chose the Bridge ...
over Katrina victims. FACT.
Of course, the Obama flock only sees the "good" in such a decision...
If bridge builders cannot afford the cost........ sm
of a movie ticket, then what good does it do to provide/create more jobs in that genre?

Folks are hurting and they can't afford their own homes, much less movie tickets and popcorn. I say let the movie industry take a little pay cut here and there and bring their multimillion dollar projects down to a more reasonable figure and bring the films in under budget.
Please see enclosed, guess CNN will buy bridge for me, you were so enlightening.......SM


President Clinton announces another record budget surplus
From CNN White House Correspondent Kelly Wallace

September 27, 2000
Web posted at: 4:51 p.m. EDT (2051 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Clinton announced Wednesday that the federal budget surplus for fiscal year 2000 amounted to at least $230 billion, making it the largest in U.S. history and topping last year's record surplus of $122.7 billion.

"Eight years ago, our future was at risk," Clinton said Wednesday morning. "Economic growth was low, unemployment was high, interest rates were high, the federal debt had quadrupled in the previous 12 years. When Vice President Gore and I took office, the budget deficit was $290 billion, and it was projected this year the budget deficit would be $455 billion."


President Clinton announces that the federal budget surplus for fiscal year 2000 is the largest in U.S. history

Instead, the president explained, the $5.7 trillion national debt has been reduced by $360 billion in the last three years -- $223 billion this year alone.

This represents, Clinton said, "the largest one-year debt reduction in the history of the United States."

"Like our Olympic athletes in Sydney, the American people are breaking all kinds of records these days. This is the first year we've balanced the budget without using the Medicare trust fund since Medicare was created in 1965. I think we should follow AL Gore's advice and lock those trust funds away for the future," he said.

In June, the administration predicted the surplus would be $211 billion, and would increase by as much as $1 trillion over the next 10 years.

"The key to fiscal discipline is maintaining these results year after year. We need to put our priorities in order," Clinton said.

The president's news comes as lawmakers on Capitol Hill continue to wrestle with the fiscal year 2001 budget numbers. The new budget year begins October 1, and work has been completed on only two of the 13 annual spending bills, as the Republican-led Congress and the White House remain at odds over spending allocations.

"I am concerned, frankly, about the size and last-minute nature of this year's congressional spending spree, where they seem to be loading up the spending bills with special projects for special interests, but can't seem to find the time to raise the minimum wage, or pass a patients' bill of rights, or drug benefits for our seniors through Medicare, or tax cuts for long-term care, child care, or college education," Clinton said.

"These are the things that need to be done and I certainly hope they will be and still make the right investments and the right amount of tax cuts," Clinton said.

Rep. J.C. Watts, R-Oklahoma, chairman of the House Republican Conference, said the GOP wants 90 percent of the surplus used for the debt. In a CNN interview, he said the other 10 percent should be used to "take care of a lot of priorities we have, like prescription drugs, making sure that our education needs are met, making sure some of our national security needs are met, and doing that while at the same time protecting the Social Security surplus and the Medicare surplus."

That approach would be in lieu of tax cuts, which "we can't do this year because the president vetoed it," Watts said.

Clinton unveiled the new numbers in a statement at the White House before departing for fund-raising events in Dallas and Houston.

"This is part of our fiscal discipline to reduce the debt with the federal surplus," said one White House official who asked not to be identified. Reducing the debt, the official said, has "real effects for real Americans." It means lower interest rates for mortgages, car loans and college loans, and leads to an increase in investment and more jobs."

It is the third year in a row the federal government has taken in more than it spent, and has paid down the debt. The last time the U.S. government had a third consecutive year of national debt reduction was 1949, said the official.

The federal budget surplus for fiscal year 1999 was $122.7 billion, and $69.2 billion for fiscal year 1998. Those back-to-back surpluses, the first since 1957, allowed the Treasury to pay down $138 billion in national debt.


Hope you have a real nice bridge
picked out to live under.  Can't have mine!
Hope you have a real nice bridge
picked out to live under. 
Wanna' buy the Oakland-Bay Bridge? I'll sell it

Psst! Wanna buy a BRIDGE? A real pretty
For $700 billion extra, we'll even deliver it for ya.