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What a great idea. Let's try a click open, click shut
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Please just disregard my above post.

After I posted it, I X'd out and came back in, actually did see my post that was deleted that you were asking about, but when opened it, I found that it been deleted in its entirety.  I honestly dont understand what I said that was so bad it had to be deleted.  In fact, my post was all about Americans wanting peace. 


please disregard most of my post, as I should have
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Disregard name line.
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Please disregard....this post is not
worthy of recognition. Sam, please do not lower yourself to this level, ignore and go on, not worth it, so sad.
Disregard this repeat.
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Why the quotation marks?
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That's what I'm talking about....Thank you question marks...sm

9/11 Panel Gives Gov't Poor Marks on Reform

9/11 Panel Gives Gov't Poor Marks on Reform





By LARA JAKES JORDAN, Associated Press
Writer
35 minutes ago



More than four years after the Sept. 11 attacks, U.S. intelligence agencies
still are failing to share information while Congress battles over security
funding, a panel that investigated the terrorist hijackings will conclude in a
new report.


In interviews Friday, members of the former Sept. 11 commission said the
government should receive a dismal grade for its lack of urgency in
enacting strong security measures to prevent terror attacks.


The 10-member, bipartisan commission disbanded after issuing 41
recommendations to bolster the nation's security in July 2004. The members have
reconstituted themselves, using private funds, as the 9/11 Public Discourse
Project and will release a new report Monday assessing the extent their
directives have been followed.


Overall, the government has performed not very well, said former commission
chairman Thomas Kean, former Republican governor of New Jersey.


Before 9-11, both the Clinton and Bush administrations said they had
identified Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida as problems that have to be dealt with,
and were working on it, Kean said. But they just were not very high on their
priority list. And again it seems that the safety of the American
people is not very high on Washington's priority list.


A spokesman at the Homeland Security Department declined to comment until the
report is issued Monday. Rep. Pete King, R-N.Y., chairman of the House Homeland
Security Committee, acknowledged that some areas continue to be vulnerable but
have not been addressed due to disagreements with the Senate.


Congress established the commission in 2002 to investigate government
missteps that led to the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. It found that the United
States could not protect its citizens from the attacks because it underestimated
al-Qaida. Since June, the former commissioners have held hearings to examine
what they described as the government's unfinished agenda to secure the
country.


Among the main concerns, which former Democratic commissioner Timothy Roemer
said would receive the worst grades:


_The United States is not doing enough to ensure that foreign nations are
upgrading security measures to stop proliferation of nuclear, biological and
chemical materials. Such materials could be used in weapons of mass destruction,
and over 100 research reactors around the world have enough highly enriched
uranium present to make a nuclear device.


We've seen that Osama bin Laden likes to do spectacular things, said Roemer,
a former Indiana congressman. Is a dirty bomb next? ... We're not doing enough,
and we're not doing it urgently enough.


_Police, firefighters, medics and other first responders still lack
interconnected radio systems letting them communicate with each other during
emergencies. Responders from different agencies at the World Trade Center were
unable to coordinate rescues — or receive information that could have saved
their own lives — on 9/11.


Congress last year approved spending nearly $1 billion on interoperable
systems, but King said the matter is a very difficult issue.


_Both the Bush administration and Congress have continued to distribute
security funding to states without aiming most money at high-risk communities.
The Homeland Security Department gave $2.5 billion in grants to states and 50
high-risk cities last year, but some rural states, like Wyoming, received more
money per resident than terror targets like New York.


The House and Senate have been unable this year to agree on a funding formula
that distributes money based solely on risk, threats and vulnerability. King
said the Senate's proposal is still living with a pork-barrel formula. But
Senate Homeland Security Committee Chairwoman Susan Collins said in statement
that her bipartisan plan provides a meaningful baseline of funds to each state
so that the nation as a whole can achieve essential levels of preparedness.


Kean said information-sharing gaps among turf-conscious federal intelligence
agencies continue to exist. He also chastised the Transportation Security
Administration for failing to consolidate multiple databases of passenger
information into a single terror watch list that would make it easier for
airlines to screen for suspicious travelers.


Moreover, expanded governmental powers to seek out terror-related
intelligence have not been adequately balanced by civil liberties protections or
oversight, said former Democratic commissioner Richard Ben-Veniste. He said
President Bush was tardy in naming a civil liberties protection board, whose
funding is anemic and which has not yet been met to get underway.


A bright spot in the government's performance is the creation of a national
intelligence director to help coordinate all government terror information,
Roemer said.


Generally, the grades range all the way from A to F, Kean said.

Still, No parent would be happy with this report card, said former Democratic
commissioner Jamie Gorelick.

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On the Net:

9/11 Public Discourse Project:


http://www.9-11pdp.org/


Rep. Dingell Marks 50 Years in House

Rep. Dingell Marks 50 Years in House


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Rep.

At age 79, Rep. John Dingell is known for his prickly demeanor and blunt words, which have earned him respect. Rep. Dingell's Web Site


 

 

Morning Edition, December 13, 2005 · John Dingell (D-MI) marks 50 years in the House on Tuesday. Only two others in history have served longer.


Dingell came to Congress in December 1955, when he won a special election to replace his late father. Dingell speaks fondly of working on massive, important legislation he helped shepherd through Congress, including Medicare, food stamps, student loans, consumer product protection and the Endangered Species Act.


There are a few disappointments, Dingell says. In every single Congress for the last 50 years, he has introduced a bill to create a national health care system -- and it has never passed. The Patient's Bill of Rights he championed in the 1990s also failed. And now, with Republicans in control of the House, Senate and White House, Dingell worries they're dismantling the earlier work of his career.


But you have your choice between sitting back and being depressed and letting it go forward, or standing and fighting, he says. I choose the second course.





Newspaper Marks 1000 Days of Iraq War with Key Stats
Newspaper Marks 1000 Days of Iraq War with Key Stats

By E&P Staff

Published: December 13, 2005 10:30 AM ET

NEW YORK To mark what it called the 1000 Days of the Iraq war, the London daily The Independent offered extensive coverage today, featuring a by-the-numbers approach.

Here are some of their calculations:

$204.4 billion: The cost to the U.S of the war so far.

2,339: Allied troops killed

15,955: US troops wounded in action

98: U.K troops killed

30,000 : Estimated Iraqi civilian deaths

0: Number of WMDs found

66: Journalists killed in Iraq.

63: Journalists killed during Vietnam war

8: per cent of Iraqi children suffering acute malnutrition

53,470: Iraqi insurgents killed

67: per cent Iraqis who feel less secure because of occupation

$343: Average monthly salary for an Iraqi soldier. Average monthly salary for an American soldier in Iraq: $4,160.75

5: foreign civilians kidnapped per month

47: per cent Iraqis who never have enough electricity

20: casualties per month from unexploded mines

25-40: per cent Estimated unemployment rate, Nov 2005

251: Foreigners kidnapped

70: per cent of Iraqi's whose sewage system rarely works

183,000: British and American troops are still in action in Iraq.

13,000: from other nations

90: Daily attacks by insurgents in Nov '05. In Jun '03: 8

60-80: per cent Iraqis who are strongly opposed to presence of coalition troops

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In an accompanying piece from Baghdad, the newspaper's Patrick Cockburn adds one more stat: A BBC poll yesterday showed that half of the Iraqis questioned say that Iraq needs a strong leader--while only 28 per cent cited democracy as a priority.

Iraqis are cynical about their political leaders, Cockburn writes. The election results are likely to show that the great majority of Iraqis will vote along ethnic or religious lines as Shia, Sunni or Kurds. The country is turning from a unitary state into a confederation.

There is no sign yet of the thousand-day war ending. Every month up to a thousand fresh corpses arrive at the mortuary in Baghdad. A new Iraq is emerging but it is already drenched in blood.


Verrry boring. Antifeminist women easy marks
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Red Cross CEO

After a very quick Google search, I found this, which indicates a salary of "roughly $149,000."  (I personally thought the number would be much higher, but not as high as multi-million bonuses, etc. that we're paying for Wall Street to have.)  And as far as Pelosi, she should ride commercial, just like everyone else, IMHO.


Monday, August 4, 2008



Charity Navigator's 2008 CEO Compensation Study is Complete




Even though some our users have clearly expressed their discontent with the compensation CEOs of their favorite charities receive, Charity Navigator’s 2008 CEO study indicates that the average CEO compensation is roughly $149,000, and represents on average 3.32% of an organization’s overall expenses. While some donors disagree that a nonprofit CEO deserves to earn a six figure salary, we ask that you keep in mind that the charities included in this study are multi-million dollar operations. Leading one of them requires an individual that possesses both an understanding of the issues that are unique to the charity's mission as well as business and management expertise similar to that required of for-profit CEOs.


http://blog.charitynavigator.org/2008/08/charity-navigators-2008-ceo.html


 


Also known as the Cross of Nero sm
We think of it as a peace sign, but its origins are satanic. Nero thought there would be peace only without Christianity and thousands of Christians were killed under his rule. It is funny you posted this. I am reading up on this stuff after watching a religious video by a guy named Dave Hunt. I am trying to research some of the things these Christians are saying about the Society of Jesus and the Vatican.
climb off your cross

this politically correct horsesh*t is a joke - get all self-righteous


I think McCain's goose egg is brown and probably still resides in his flaccid diaper -  go cry about that


I agree with you Big Bad, there is a lot of cross-over (sm)
And we should all have tolerance for each other.  That means tolerance for Christians too. While I agree that having a completely religious discussion may be inappropriate for this board, the times that it is related to the political topic it is appropriate.  I try not to shove my religious beliefs down anyone's throat because I feel like if anything that is going to accomplish the opposite (lol).  But when asked a question I do want to answer with my honest opinion, and when I see another Christian posting something that I don't believe, I want to give my point of view, so that everyone knows that all Christians don't believe the same thing. 
International Red Cross


Red Cross Described 'Torture' at CIA Jails


Secret Report Implies That U.S. Violated International Law







   






















Washington Post Staff Writers
Monday, March 16, 2009; Page A01



The International Committee of the Red Cross concluded in a secret report that the Bush administration's treatment of al-Qaeda captives "constituted torture," a finding that strongly implied that CIA interrogation methods violated international law, according to newly published excerpts from the long-concealed 2007 document.



The report, an account alleging physical and psychological brutality inside CIA "black site" prisons, also states that some U.S. practices amounted to "cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment." Such maltreatment of detainees is expressly prohibited by the Geneva Conventions.


The findings were based on an investigation by ICRC officials, who were granted exclusive access to the CIA's "high-value" detainees after they were transferred in 2006 to the U.S. detention camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The 14 detainees, who had been kept in isolation in CIA prisons overseas, gave remarkably uniform accounts of abuse that included beatings, sleep deprivation, extreme temperatures and, in some cases, waterboarding, or simulating drowning.


At least five copies of the report were shared with the CIA and top White House officials in 2007 but barred from public release by ICRC guidelines intended to preserve the humanitarian group's strict policy of neutrality in conflicts. A copy of the report was obtained by Mark Danner, a journalism professor and author who published extensive excerpts in the April 9 edition of the New York Review of Books, released yesterday. He did not say how he obtained the report.


"The ill-treatment to which they were subjected while held in the CIA program, either singly or in combination, constituted torture," Danner quoted the report as saying.


Many of the details of alleged mistreatment at CIA prisons had been reported previously, but the ICRC report is the most authoritative account and the first to use the word "torture" in a legal context.


The CIA declined to comment. A U.S. official familiar with the report said, "It is important to bear in mind that the report lays out claims made by the terrorists themselves."


Often using the detainee's own words, the report offers a harrowing view of conditions at the secret prisons, where prisoners were told they were being taken "to the verge of death and back," according to one excerpt. During interrogations, the captives were routinely beaten, doused with cold water and slammed head-first into walls. Between sessions, they were stripped of clothing, bombarded with loud music, exposed to cold temperatures, and deprived of sleep and solid food for days on end. Some detainees described being forced to stand for days, with their arms shackled above them, wearing only diapers.



 

"On a daily basis . . . a collar was looped around my neck and then used to slam me against the walls of the interrogation room," the report quotes detainee Tawfiq bin Attash, also known as Walid Muhammad bin Attash, as saying. Later, he said, he was wrapped in a plastic sheet while cold water was "poured onto my body with buckets." He added: "I would be wrapped inside the sheet with cold water for several minutes. Then I would be taken for interrogation."


ICRC officials did not dispute the authenticity of the excerpts, but a spokesman expressed dismay over the leak of the material. "We regret information attributed to the ICRC report was made public in this manner," spokesman Bernard Barrett said.


"The ICRC has been visiting the detainees formerly held by the CIA," he added, "at Guantanamo since 2006. Any concerns or observations the ICRC had when visiting the detainees are part of a confidential dialogue."


President George W. Bush acknowledged the use of coercive interrogation tactics on senior al-Qaeda captives detained by the CIA in the aftermath of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, but he insisted that the measures complied with U.S. and international law. Former CIA director Michael V. Hayden confirmed last year that the measures included the use of waterboarding on three captives before 2003.


President Obama outlawed such practices within hours of his inauguration in January. But Obama has expressed reluctance to conduct a legal inquiry into the CIA's policies.



The report gives a graphic account of the treatment of Zayn al-Abidin Muhammed Hussein, better known as Abu Zubaida, a Saudi-born Palestinian who was the first alleged senior al-Qaeda operative seized after Sept. 11 -- a characterization of his role that is disputed by his attorneys, who describe him as having a different philosophy of jihad than bin Laden.


Abu Zubaida was severely wounded during a shootout in March 2002 at a safe house he ran in Faisalabad, Pakistan, and survived thanks to CIA-arranged medical care, including multiple surgeries. After he recovered, Abu Zubaida describes being shackled to a chair at the feet and hands for two to three weeks in a cold room with "loud, shouting type music" blaring constantly, according to the ICRC report. He said that he was questioned two to three hours a day and that water was sprayed in his face if he fell asleep.


At some point -- the timing is unclear from the New York Review of Books report -- Abu Zubaida's treatment became harsher. In July 2002, administration lawyers approved more aggressive techniques.


Abu Zubaida said interrogators wrapped a towel around his neck and slammed him into a plywood wall mounted in his cell. He was also repeatedly slapped in the face, he said. After the beatings, he was placed in coffinlike wooden boxes in which he was forced to crouch, with no light and a restricted air supply, he said.


"The stress on my legs held in this position meant my wounds both in my leg and stomach became very painful," he told the ICRC.


After he was removed from a small box, he said, he was strapped to what looked like a hospital bed and waterboarded. "A black cloth was then placed over my face and the interrogators used a mineral bottle to pour water on the cloth so that I could not breathe," Abu Zubaida said.


After breaks to allow him to recover, the waterboarding continued.


"I struggled against the straps, trying to breathe, but it was hopeless," he said. "I though I was going to die."


This is a hoot... Just click on the different
http://www.palinaspresident.us/
I sent a rather generous check to the Red Cross.

How much did you contribute?


Don't cross a bridge that isn't built yet, if ever
I didn't vote for Obama, but I'm not upset that he won.
That's the average salary, not the Red Cross
That's kind of misleading, since it's the average salary for a non-profit CEO and whereas there are many little ones, the CEOs of the big ones (Red Cross and United Way) do make huge amounts. Takes a lot of nerve for them to ask me for my pittance of a donation!

Mine goes to Salvation Army.

Click on the link that is posted
It even gives the name of the site. You will find many more news sites about this just by searching for something along the lines of Palin+increased threats.
not necessarily point and click -
My hospital already has computerized medical records. There is no point and click involved at all. All doctors still dictate and we still have a full transcription department. There is just not any paper generated for charts - it is all electronic. The doctors can access the patient's records from wherever they may be when they need them as long as they have a computer and a password.
Okay, don't click a link - type in the URL. (sm)
The URL for the site I referenced is:

http://www.taxdayteaparty.com

You can copy-and-paste it into your browser or type it in, whichever you prefer. I can assure you that there's no virus at the site (my browser checks this), or I wouldn't have recommended it.
Silver Linings and a Cross of Gold

Why some people love Bush and Israel so much.  


http://harpers.org/rapture-ready-20060718001.html


I've been lurking on the other board (after learning quickly not to post there any more), and they also confirm the end is near.  I can almost understand why some would be so excited about the end of the world after 6 years of Bush.  It almost even looks good to me.   


That teacher also burned a cross into a student's arm.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,369549,00.html
"...go to court AGAINST a Christian who wants to wear a cross"
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click on the link previous post

It's alive, it's alive..Why, Dr. Frankenstein, it's alive!


And BTW, I'm crushed that you hate me, but you don't have to click on my posts ....sm
or read me at all, okay. That's how the board works. Some people annoy you, (me), you think they are stupid/whatever (me), then okay, you can save yourself a lot of angst by skipping over the post....really simple....and then your whole day will go better. Thanks for giving me my reality check, okay, I really was trying to run for "Queen of the MTStars political board," you found me out and foiled my mission, curses! Thanks.
And BTW, I'm crushed that you hate me, but you don't have to click on my posts ....sm
or read me at all, okay. That's how the board works. Some people annoy you, (me), you think they are stupid/whatever (me), then okay, you can save yourself a lot of angst by skipping over the post....really simple....and then your whole day will go better. Thanks for giving me my reality check, okay, I really was trying to run for "Queen of the MTStars political board," you found me out and foiled my mission, curses! Thanks.
I don't click on links people provide because my
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Unable to compute irrational request.  Please make a new selection and try again.
You can click on any of the brown places in the post and it will take you to the link.nm
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to listen to this video, click on the red check mark
in the square.
Can't get pictures to come in, sorry.

MORE FAMILY PICTURES OF THE NEW FIRST FAMILY??
 
PLEASE READ THE FINE PRINT AND FORWARD TO OTHERS.
 
How come we haven't seen or known about some of these....?
 
 
Barack Obama's grandmother, Sarah Hussein Onyango Obama


  
 
U.S. presidential hopeful Barack Obama's
 
uncle has been a prisoner in his own home,
 
trapped by post election violence that has left
 
more than 600 Kenyans dead. 'If Barack Obama
 
were elected, he would improve relations between
 
Africa and  America  because he had his roots in
 
Africa', his uncle said.   
 
 
  
 Malik Obama, older brother to Barack Obama, holds an undated picture of


Barak, left, and himself, middle, and an unidentified friend in his shop in eastern Kenya .
 
 Luo dancers from the Senator
Barack Obama Primary School
 
 


Barack has stated his support for Luo Raila Odinga (Opposition Leader in
Kenya who signed a 'Shariah pact' with Muslims and claims to be Obama's
cousin) and is married to Ida Odinga. They have four children - two sons and
two daughters. His oldest son, Fidel, is named after Fidel Castro.
 
  
 
Barack's father, Muslim, hard-drinker, was married three times, attended
Harvard and returned to Kenya . Obama claims he was an atheist,
but he was raised Muslim and was given a Muslim burial at Barack's
family's request.
 
  
With mother Stanley  Ann Dunham.  In his own autobiography Obama writes,
'How and when the marriage occurred remains a bit murky, a bill of particulars
that I have never quite had the courage to explore.'  (His father was still
married to his first wife Kezia in Kenya at the time.)
  
 
His father's only visit while Obama was in Hawaii
 
 
Mother's 2nd husband Lolo Soetoro (Indonesian Muslim),
their daughter Maya, and Obama.
 
 
Abandoned by his father and shipped off by his
mother to his white grandparents, Barry Sotero
becomes Barack Hussein Obama. Obama would
describe his grandparents as 'white folk.'
 
(Yeah, 'white folk' that would NOT abandon
 
you, their grandchild.  Shame on you Obama.)
 
 
Barack stands behind Kezia (stepmother) in a Kenyan family shot.
(Including brother Abongo ' Roy ' Obama who is a Luo activist and
a 'Militant Muslim' who argues that the black man must 'liberate
himself from the poisoning influences of European culture.' )
 
'Abongo's new lifestyle has left him lean and clear-eyed, and at
 
the wedding, he looked so dignified in his black African gown
 
with white trim and matching cap that some of our guests
 
mistook him for my father,' Obama wrote in Dreams
 
From My Father


The pictures say it all.

The only arrogance I see is the arrogance oozing from Barrack Obama.......and oozing from Pelosi.


Pictures removed.
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Oh you've seen pictures!!!

Well, there's the proof then!!!! 


I think Lamont won a primary in a state where if I'm not mistaken tends to be a blue state.  I think there's still and election to be held.  He'll probably win, because as you stated above.  If a state tends to go Democrat or Republican they will tend to go that way again.  I believe the polarization has reached such a point that the liberal states will become even more left, and the right states will become more right.  There were a few pesky little states in the presidential election that went to republicans that usually go to democrats, but presidential elections are not always cut and dry like Senate and House elections tend to be.


Yes, I scrolled through the pictures...
quite articulate, those protestors, and sooo fond of the 4-letter words. Can't figure out how the *Stop Racism* got in the peace rally though. As to the picture of Jane Fonda hanging in effigy...I don't agree with either side hanging anyone in effigy although I can't count the number of times I have seen Bush hung or burned in effigy That being said...Fonda should have been tried for treason for North Viet Nam visit. She should be in jail.
Yes, if you look at the pictures of the rally.....
that sign WAS pretty prominent...along with others with various other epithets. What, pray tell, does that have to do with a *peace* rally? What does vandalizing govt property have to do with a *peace* rally? In my opinion, it seriously undermines the credibility of said *peace* rally.
Postings and pictures. (sm)

I have just removed and banned a poster over tasteless, and obviously altered, pictures of the President-elect. 


We are not going to engage in that kind of posting here about any official.  If you have any questions or issues with this, you can discuss it with me via email.


Moderator


Those are good pictures.
One job I would hate to have is the photographer who has to follow the president around and take those photos. Taking some of those pictures would seem almost intrusive sometimes - like the one with his kids sitting on his lap and Michelle kissing him. Kind of like the proverbial third wheel, you know?

Anyway, they are nice pictures.
yes, I agree, it is said that the pictures
that are not yet published are much worse than those published and everybody is aware of this. So, why publicize them? The every day Muslims would react in horror, but silence, pacified by the promises of O. I think that even the extremists will restrain themselves.
You are right, times and cicumstances have changed, people mellowed down, let's keep it that way and let people listen what O has to say.
I hope that Ahmedinejad will be the loser and Mosavi the winner. The elections were today.


Hmm, pictures I saw showed her children there with her.
There are people who travel for business and take their families with them, but they don't bring the family to their business meetings. DUH? What grade are you in? If you're going to get into a battle of wits, please at least come armed.
I have pictures of O being brought up in Kenya
where he went to school and going to school there costs a lot of money.  I am talking about K-8 grade, not in America and that is during his younger years.
I saw a lot of pictures and to me it looked just like the convention,
Republican, all old and white. I saw no black faces in the crowd, just white. I think veiled attempt (at first) as an anti-Obama rally. Just talking with husband tonight. I am old and have never seen anything like what is being spouted now days, very dangerous situation for Obama, I think. Just heard man asking radio station today about concentration camps in America. What? Why is everyone running scared? What in the h. is going on? I think people are hysterical and the insanity has gone too far.
Yes, but it was not going to be discussed and your pictures posted on the internet...
for the entire country to see and discuss. Her privacy, which she is entitled to as a 16-year-old, has been invaded in a very nasty way. Sorry, that is the way I feel about it. I think it was terribly wrong for dailykrap to post it and terribly wrong for someone to spread it even further here. But that is just me.
They are nice boys. Learn how to post pictures. nm

Next time, make the effort to remove the pictures. SM

They don't come out.  Also, the colors obscure the names of the people who made the quotes making them worthless.  How is one to argue about who said the quote if you can't read it.  


Gary Muchler - hope the pictures post

Gary Muchler
And finally, they're a dwindling number and may soon be extinct, so let's take a quick look at the conservative counter-protestors who have been voicing their support for the war. You've already met memorial vandal Larry Northern, but now I'm proud to present ardent Bush supporter Gary Muchler. Here he is in Wilkes-Barre PA, trying to snatch a sign at a rally for Cindy Sheehan:



Just a thought, but instead of assaulting peaceful protestors perhaps Gary could sign up for the military. He loves the war, he's already got the camo pants (which the Army would be delighted to show him how to belt properly), and he'd get into shape right quick. C'mon Gary, sign up today!


Gary joins the elite ranks of the Pro-War Rogues' Gallery, which features previous honorees The Unknown Patriot:



...and of course, Morans Guy:



That reminded me of Putin's staged pictures with the tigers.
Sorry, I do not want to see Obama shirtless. He has no personal dignity, and thinks he's incoming royalty.