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Doom & Gloom: Drive the American economy into the dirt then present socialism as the only way out.

Posted By: Bill Ayers. on 2009-03-10
In Reply to: Do you want him to lie or make up some scenario that is not true? - Amanda

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"Drive the American Economy into the dirt and then present socialism as the only way out!"
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gloom and doom

what a mishmash.  A link to "Fox news" as a source.  Nah.


A rumour from "they" about impeachment and Pelosi. Outlandish, senseless, and no source for "they."


Obama takes the state of the country very seriously. He has very little time to prepare for his administration to gear up.  He is thoughtful enough to keep the citizens informed of his plans and actions for the future.


The diddler in chief has mentally checked out and is awaiting his exit back to the "ranch"  and the corporate scratch-my-back lifestyle he so loves.


Bless my fellow citizens for triumphing over fear and smear and voting in a responsible leader.  Bless our new president for caring enough to take his responsibility seriously. 


 


All that gloom and doom...(sm)
you're hearing is something called the truth.  I think it's rather refreshing.
You wanna see gloom and doom
How innocent you are. It was not the Bushes who did this. Learn the facts. Gloom and doom is what we will have if Hussain wins. Do half of all Americans have their blinders on? What are you thinking? Anyone watch the 700 club? I wish Pat R. would run for president again.

Enough of this gloom, doom and Armageddon.
Lighten up, will ya?
Gloom and doom can't touch us now.
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It is only a message of doom and gloom SM

for those who do not heed the warnings.  For the believers, those of us reading the signs, it is a message of hope.  The return of Christ is eminent.  That's good news!  But at the same time we (Christian believers) feel an urgency to spread the message.  We want to share what we know and what has been revealed.  We want to share the signs that the unbelievers or the deceived are blinded to.


The stage is being set and Obama is the principle player now.  Is he the anti-christ?  I don't know.  What I do know is there will be many false prophets and deceivers who will pave the way for THE anti-christ.  Many will be deceived -- many Christians will even be deceived.  That is a disturbing thought for me. 


The person who posted yesterday stating that she prayed and God told her to vote for Obama, that is just frightening.  That is a Christian woman who is being led astray.  I hate that!  It makes me mad, not at her, but at the evil, yes at Satan!  Laugh at me if you wish.


 


O is doing very well with the doom and gloom speeches

He doesn't need the pubs to help him. He's doing it all by himself. This writer can't make  excuses for that so he attacks the pubs with his rhetoric. Another one-sided opinion.


 


doubt. gloom. doom. sign.
what's the use ... lets just keep going the way we are . . doesn't make any difference, anyway.  They are all crooks.  Sounds like the repub platform.
I hate to be the bringer of doom and gloom

but it would be prudent to train in something outside of medical transcription.  All you have to do is look at the job seeker's board and each job posted has hundreds and hundreds of hits.  Look on the company board and see how many are crying because there is no work, they can't find a job, etc. etc.


I happen to know that the electronic medical record software is not that expensive any more and if you're looking to learn acute care MT-ing, save your sanity and get into another field.  VR is taking over at a faster clip than you probably realize.


All this gloom and doom McCain's supporters
to be a real bore. I'm ready for a strong dose of optimism, hope and change. The republicans have proven to us over these past 8 years that they cannot run the economy anywhere except into the ground. That is why Obama is leading in this race and that is why Obama will win this election. Rale on. spin yourselves into the ground, for all the good it will do you.
In the midst of all the chicken little gloom and doom
Made my day. Thanks.
Doom and gloom predictions? You facts so far.nm
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Yes, his doom and gloom is only making it worse.
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Lots of doom and gloom coming from Obama lately...

His plans are anti-American -socialism.
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Truth about the American economy....
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It's just too easy -- the idea that keeping American jobs in America actually helping the economy

Nope, let's spend a few million and buy new furniture for homeland security and a few million more to buy hybrids for congress. 


Can they not deduce that keeping corporate America from offshoring jobs will actually create more jobs, thereby lower the unemployment rate, and put more money in American's pocket for them to spend?  Cut all tax cuts given to companies for offshoring and give the tax cuts to companies to strive to keep jobs in America?


And here's another V8 moment -- how about we buy American?  Maybe increase tariffs on imported goods to discourage American companies from importing so much crapy and thereby necessitating said crap be sold at higher prices in an effort to discourage Americans from buying imports? 


The ONLY way to help the American economy is to employ Americans and buy American!  It's that simple!


I came from the dirt

and I'm proud of that too.  I think we pretty much are side-by-side on the issues, Sam. 


Just for the record, you can be a mutt and still be DAR.  I am.  It just means your ancestor fought in the Revolutionary War.  I'm also a Daughter of the Confederacy.  In both cases we do more than sit around sipping tea and singing "How Great We Are."


at least you admit it was dirt

....and you obviously are not able to follow simple rules of courtesy and good manners in addition to the rules of this board.  It seems your need to deride, disdain, mock and make fun of the liberal posters on a liberal board is something that you cannot control.  You might wish to ponder at some point why you feel the compelling need for cruelty.  It does not win us over, but rather is a very poor advertisement for your far right-wing beliefs.


As far as who I am, I am the same as every other poster - anonymous with a made-up moniker.  It is NOT a good idea to post our real names on a public forum and I would advise you or anyone else against it, unless you have an extremely common name. 


Just keep trying to dig up your useless dirt on her.
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$400,000 salary is dirt cheap compared to
Considering the daunting challenges he will in the aftermath of W's slash and burn regime, bringing together warring factions for the sake of cranking up a paralyzed legislative branch, jump starting a frozen economy on the brink of depression, reversing the handywork of the saber-rattling war machine, restoring America's tarnished global image and dodging assassin's bullets around every bend, I'd say he'll be earning every last penny of it.
I was brought up Buy American made products, keep American jobs.
Always bought American made cars and bought products from companies where my family was employed. Now look at America? We are definitely connected all around the world.

My feeling? Obama states he wants to start from the poor upward. Not the other way around like it has been for quite awhile. That to me does not necessarily mean just in America, but around the world by taking the poorest countries and working upward so America's pay wages and everything else will be so low and comparable to the poorest countries. After all, we are now connected together.

Cannot wait to see what will happen with the Swine flu this fall with the second wave and what it will do to the economy of all the countries combined at once.
Any child born to American parents is an American -
I am sorry, but I respectfully disagree with you - any child born to American parents is an American even if they are born overseas. The birth has to be registered with the United States, but they are still an American even if they are born in the foreign hospital.

I have 2 cousins who were born in Japan and they have no problems at all being "American".
What a gloom way to look at things...

A lot of what's being discussed is to help our economy right now through the tough times.  This isn't new.  IRS was started that way.


A presidential term is only for 4 years, max 2 terms for 8 years.  I doubt that we will become welfare society in 4 years.  He also speaks about  being accountable, responsible.  He does not advocate going on welfare and living free, so don't know where your paranoia is coming from,  most of what is said about helping us with the current situation like high gas prices, affordable healthcare, no tax breaks for jobs going overseas.  Who wants our jobs going overseas to help someone else's economy when our economy is going down the tubes.  This is a time for us all to pull together, pool our resources.  Personally, I will get in behind whomever wins and do what's best for the country.  I have respect for the both of them for different reasons and think they are both able to lead for different reasons.  My only request is no more trigger happy cowboys as presidents at this point.  It just depends on what  matters to you most.  I am for affordable healthcare so that is what's on my mind and what matters right now when I hear them debating. I am chronically ill.  A lot of insurance companies don't cover pre-existing illnesses, not mine and I have called around looking for a health plan.  So it isn't like I can just go out and purchase a healthcare plan on my own.  I need chronic and pre-existing conditions not to determine whether I am able to afford healthcare.


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


Yet another drive by?
Nothing to add.

It's true because what, you said so????
Wow, was that a drive-by?
Making a posting like that is pretty ignorant in my eyes...
You and your drive bys................sm
Let me lay this out for you.

The post that I responded to stated that this had nothing to do with the US which was a response to JTBB's post which said, and I quote: "No, this one lays directly at the feet of Bush. That makes 3 wars, an economic crisis and an environmental meltdown that he is now handing down."

So Bush was an element in this conversation.

Apparently it is you who cannot follow a discussion. Quit trying to play board police because you're doing a lousy job at it.


Yes, and all this spewing Obama does of doom and
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My guess is you probably drive one of
those gas-hog pickup trucks.  Gas for blood is not rhetoric -- why else would we still be there?  This country has an addiction far worse than any drug and it is time to give it up!!  You greedy pubs love consuming anything and everything!!
And, it is a very short drive!
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Yeah, right. Take a look at your own drive-by.
Go take a long, hard look and then tell it to yourself. Maybe it will give you some insight into how you come across to the rest of the world.
I think you like to present yourself

as being right and more knowledgeable than anyone on this board about almost everything that you address; much more important than *keeping things real.**   You want all of us to make note that you are right, more informed, more well read, more educated on just about everything that is discussed here...OKAY, you got it!!!, Enjoy it.


I still believe my friend, not because the cost of gas in CA is really that important, but because she is my friend and I have no reason not to believe her and even more, she has no reason to make it up, we were not discussing anything remotely related to energy or conservation; it was just a passing comment on her part as we drove past the local Chevron. But it seems to be quite important to you so, as I said, I will defer to you and all of your many resources in the future. No prob.


Prophets of Doom - liberal! - radical!

The GOP's new message: Despair







THE FIFTH COLUMNIST by P.M. Carpenter






Either word-torturer Frank Luntz has been writing memos to the brass and issuing orders to the troops again, or the GOP is taking its verbal cues from none other than the certifiable Alan Keyes.


Have you noticed? "Radical" is the new socialist, the new liberal, the creeping unhinged hyperbole suitable for all occasions in describing President Obama's budget proposal. It's now conservative chic, simply all the rage: big-government "liberal" is so yesterday.


Gee, it's almost as if someone -- listening, Frank? -- has focus-grouped the lingering efficacy of again hauling out that old "liberal" bogeyman, only to find that most voters no longer care. After partaking of the desolating fruits of right-wing rule for so long, if liberal is its antithesis, then bring it on, they say.


They're finally numb to the right's tireless stigmatization of the word; hence a new one -- one with more shock-value kick to it -- was desperately needed. And "Radical" must have pegged the bogeyman-o-meter.


Never mind that what Obama now proposes is more or less the same he proposed for roughly two years on the campaign trail; and above all never mind that what he proposes is far more organically pragmatic than schematically liberal. For the right, debate is all about innovative exaggeration and ominous labeling -- "framing" remains the hot-button word for the partisan presentation of hot-button issues -- since an honest argument carries the insufferable risk of losing it.


Yes, I know the word has been thrown about by the right for some time now, or, to pinpoint its origination in application to Obama, since the fizzled phenomenon of William Ayers. But it was just yesterday that I noticed on the Sunday talk shows the word's almost Post-It-reminder-note-on-the-forehead usage by the distinguished gentlemen from the GOP.


The president is engaging in radical exercises, intoned the increasingly preprogrammed Sen. Lindsey Graham on "Meet the Press," oblivious to the profoundly non-radical nature of, say, even corporate support for some form of universal health care. Nor is equal opportunity of education -- so that, perhaps, just maybe, this nation can compete more effectively in the global rat race of capitalism -- customarily regarded by political theorists as Leninist to its core.


But hey, it's a lot more fun to bend reality when reality is incompatible with one's political agenda; and, of course, in this crowded age of competing messages, the bending must be done with overwhelming force and unprecedented volume.


Later, during MTP's roundtable discussion, the solemn consensus among three-fourths of the four-member panel was that the restoration of American confidence is indispensable as the first step in the restoration of the American economy.


Then came Panel Member Number Four, Newt Gingrich, the Big Idea Man, blasting away at -- any guesses? -- yep, Obama's radicalism. It was segment two; removed was the cardboard cut-out of Lindsey and installed was the cardboard cut-out of Newt. Yet the viewer would have hardly noticed the change in personnel. Both were reading from the same Orwellian Luntzism -- Obama's "radicalism" is double ungood.


What was Newt's alternative Big Idea? What, I hear you ask, was his counterproposition for solving what his party has created in the monstrous form of nearly insoluble problems?


Well, he didn't have one. Not one, not even a little Big Idea. Not even a whiff of one. Instead, he wanted us only to know that Obama's radicalism was undermining the very confidence that Newt's fellow panelists sought.


Newt wasn't doing that, mind you. Obama is, or rather, his radicalism is -- which at any rate just won't work, because it's too big in purpose, it's too challenging, it's simply too much for the American people to handle.


As I listened to Graham's rehearsed shock and awe, then Gingrich's, then a bit later Sen. Richard Shelby's strikingly similar exasperation on ABC's "This Week," it occurred to me that what now underlies the conservative argument is the precise opposite of what conservatives have argued for decades: that given a big enough challenge, Americans can accomplish anything -- but first, the gauntlet must be thrown.


I heard none of that yesterday. What I did hear was rote defeatism -- that determined countermeasures to undo what the right has wrought are doomed as radical impossibilities. In short, conservatives of Ronald Reagan's American Mornings are now banking on utmost despair, trusting that Americans will prefer that to "radical exercises."


And that's quite the seismic shift in their own message, a shift even greater than the one they're trying to impose on Obama's.


 


You might try reading all the posts before you do your little drive-bys...
never said anything about "book learnin." What I said was I objected being talked to in a condescending and elitist manner. Never said anything about education...other than the poster I was referring to looked down on folks that she perceived was not as well educated as SHE was.

As to the Mein Kampf remark...too idiotic to even address. LOL. Geezzz.
Oh I see....just drive by and repeat the same opinions over and over.
Thank you for clarifying that for me.
I thought you hated drive bys>
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I believe I used the word *present*. nm
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birthday present
I just wanted to make sure I was giving the correct information. This was for her birthday last year. He bought her earrings that cost $5,000 and she exchanged them for earrings that cost $12,000. She checked with her husband and he came back in and bought the earring for $12, 000.
Another drive-by potshot over the bow...also infantile...but definitely, it appears...
your style. Sigh.
Robot's hard-drive needs rebooting.

Why don't you just climb into your Range Rover, drive
You obviously 'know', so just go take everyone by the and and lead them through it. Then, when you're all done, you can lie back on the genuine leather front seat, re-apply your lipstick, and have yourself a cigarette.

Gotta love these drive-by posts
I love when folks stop by here, post a quick blurb. Especially when they put in nothing to support it, and they expect everyone to take it as fact. I guess we are supposed to take everything posted as fact.
Devolving into personal slams in drive-bys usually indicates
you have nothing of substance to add, MS nm. Please indicate what it was in my 2-liner that you found so offensive.
Wont matter much - who can afford to drive
Price of gas will be back to $4/gal. - and THEN some - by next summer. Oil co. CEOs are as bad as the Wall-Street $$-ho's.
To be fair to the present administration..

There hasn't been a SINGLE PRESIDENT willing to address the borders.  I wish Bush would get off his duff about the border too, but if he did put a military clamp down on our border, you'd have a huge uproar from the civil liberties camp.  You can never make everybody happy. 


As for spending... Most Democrats never met a dollar they didn't want to spend.  Wanna have your hair stand on end?  Read a synopsis of The Big Dig in Boston, a la Kennedy and Kerry.  Talk about a money pit at the taxpayers expense.  If only it were a perfect world, but it never will be.


Does anyone else see a clear and present danger?
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You mean the other women who dare to present
Americans are not a monolith.
He does not present the certificate that states the
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With all due respect, Democrat, you have no idea whether the drive by posters sm
who post anonymously on the conservative board are not some who post here regularly. You just don't know that.  None of us (unless we are friends on the outside) know that about any of us.  So that's a little disingenuous.  Sometimes, I have sure felt like changing my initials to avoid posters who constantly slam me.  But I have found a better place to post.  Just dropped over for the day.  Have a good one.
Only drive-bys seem to be ruining perfectly adult conversations

We all were having good conversations and even adult disagreements until the usual drive-by suspects chimed in and make is a potty-mouth bash fest.  Democrat might have lost control a little bit, but we all do at some point.    You did your usual leftist troll duties by coming here and sabatoging and decent debates in process.  You are not a liberal.  You are someone who is so filled with hate that you cannot stand when conservatives and liberals are actually dialoguing.  Yeah, it gets heated, but you are not mature enough nor do you have substance enough to tolerate adult conversation.  You are a dive bomber, and you are the reason we have to be separated.


You and your minions are pretty sad people indeed.