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Elections are in November.

Posted By: Chele on 2008-09-26
In Reply to: Is someone in this thread related to Senator - Obama? He is referred to as brother???

The financial crisis is happening NOW and has to be handled NOW.  Our country is collapsing.  If we do not do some sort of bail out, we all will still suffer from this.  The value of the dollar will go down.  It will be much much harder and pretty much impossible for some to get loans from banks.  This means people won't be buying anything big like vehicles, homes, etc.  That will ruin sales even more than it is now.  Car companies will have to cut back on production because people can't get loans to buy.  The car dealers will start closing down because you can't make money if you can't sell vehicles.  Think of the jobs lost right there and that is just with vehicles. 


I don't feel that we should have to foot the bill.  I'm totally disgusted that our government has allowed it to get this far out of wack but we have to do something to get money back into the market.  If we do nothing, the consequence will be horrific.  We have to do something and we have to do something fast and that is more important than a debate especially since we have until November for elections.




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They Won't be Lauging Come November
Let them keep up the ignorant posts, trying to twist Bush's incompetence and make into something Obama did. The voters will speak for everyone in the fall. Bye-bye pubs!
Let's spew hate until November 5.
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You have outlined a perfect example why we were beat in November. sm
People are tired of the dirty fighting.  If you want to fight, don't act like a bunch of 3 year olds on a chat board.  Namecalling and wishing people ill is not going to win you anything but disdain.  I certainly don't want you representing me on the left.  Do you know what they are talking about on the conservative board?  Current affairs and dying war heroes.  In other words, SUBSTANTIAL stuff.  How about trying that here for a change instead of the totally ridiculous Google searches.  My God.
Sam will be silenced in November when Obama wins!
Rest assured, I will not waste one more moment discussing issues that require thoughtfulness and intelligence with women who have none, such as you and your fearless leader sam! I will sit back quietly and wait for you both to be silenced in November when Obama and Biden are elected President and Vice President of these great United States. In the meantime...talk amongst yourselves.
You man after Israel killed 6 Palestinians on November 5 and
failed to lift the blockade, a condition of the truce they ignored the entire time? Your ignorant statement about the Kool-Aid is completely illogical since Obama voiced a fairly unequivocal sympathy for Israel back in June during his visit there. My thoughts are completely my own and are based in reality, one shared by pretty much the rest of the world outside the homeland, and on my own experiences, not 60 years of US and Israel lies and propaganda.
Labor Department's report of 533,000 job losses in November — the biggest job loss in 34 years
Getting worse every day.
Too bad you can't win elections
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2006 Elections - The Fix Is In

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/politics/bal-md.voting12may12,0,2148061.story


From the Baltimore Sun



Maryland votes 2006



Experts see new Diebold flaw


They call it worst security glitch to date in state's voting machines and a 'big deal'








By Stephanie Desmon
Sun reporter

May 12, 2006

Computer security experts say they have found the worst security flaw yet in the oft-criticized touch-screen machines that Maryland voters will use in this year's elections, leaving one computer scientist to warn that the state should have stacks of paper ballots on hand in case of a complete Election Day breakdown.

The machines, made by Diebold Elections Systems, are much, much easier to attack than anything we've previously said, said Avi Rubin, a Johns Hopkins University computer science professor who first cast doubt on the reliability of the technology in a 2003 report.

On a scale of one to 10, if the problems we found before were a six, this is a 10. It's a totally different ballgame, he said.

The new problem is being described as an intentional hole left in the system to allow elections workers to update voting software easily. Instead of using pass codes or other security protocols, anyone with access to a voting machine could install new software that could easily disable a precinct full of machines, Rubin said.

Diebold officials say they are aware of the situation and, although they say any problem can be avoided by keeping a close watch on voting machines, they are developing a permanent fix.

Still, said company spokesman David K. Bear, it's one more what-if scenario. ... It's becoming somewhat ridiculous.

Maryland elections officials said they have known about the latest concerns for two weeks and will have an independent security consultant look into them next week to ensure that the state's Diebold machines are safe.

We are taking steps, said state elections administrator Linda H. Lamone. She said she is confident that the problem will have little effect in Maryland because of strict rules about who is permitted to handle voting machines in the state. Everyone that has access to them has to undergo a criminal background check, she said.

Before the Diebold machines were distributed statewide about two years ago, questions arose about whether hackers might be able to get into the automated-teller-like computers and alter their software, allowing multiple votes, vote-switching and other problems.

Computer experts, including Rubin, said security measures were insufficient and poorly designed. Activists pushed to add a paper ballot component to the machines in case a recount was needed.

Still, the state moved forward and nearly every voter in Maryland used a touch-screen machine in the 2004 presidential election. There were few complaints or problems.

Gov. Robert L. Ehrlich Jr. called on the state this year to abandon its touch-screen machines, saying he had no confidence in the technology, in part because lawmakers adopted other voting changes such as early voting.

He put money into his budget to pay for optical scan machines, which were used in the state for years before 2004. The General Assembly did not approve a voting machine switch during this year's session, which ended last month.

Rubin said he fears that the latest security problem could be serious enough to cause an Election Day meltdown that could put precincts of machines out of action. He recommends that counties have a pen-and-paper alternative on hand as insurance.

Joseph M. Getty, the governor's legislative and policy director, called the newly disclosed security flaw not really a new problem.

It's the same problem of vulnerability to outsiders, he said.

Getty said the latest Diebold problem bolsters the administration's case against early voting, which was approved by the legislature last year. He said any security risk can be minimized in one day of voting but is multiplied when machines are in public use for six days.

Michael Shamos, a computer science professor at Carnegie Mellon University and a Pennsylvania voting machine examiner, pushed his state, which will have a primary election next week, to lay out strict new rules for installing software and sealing machines for safety.

It's a big deal. It's a very big deal, Shamos said. The good part is it's very easy to fix. You have to repair it. You can't just do nothing. ... It's not just like leaving the key to your door under the mat. It's like leaving the key dangling from a string from the door.

The temporary fix, Shamos said, involves reinstalling the proper software just before the election, preferably in a public setting, then locking the machines to keep them from being tampered with before voting begins.

In 2004, Shamos testified on behalf of the state of Maryland in a suit filed by a citizens group asking a court to compel the state to address possible security problems and give voters the option of using paper ballots instead of the new machines. The state won.

If I had known about this problem then, I wouldn't have had good things to say, he said.

The latest security hole was discovered by Finnish computer scientist Harri Hursti, who was doing work in Utah for Black Box Voting Inc., a nonprofit group that has focused on computerized voting.

Most computer scientists don't want to disclose too many details about the problem because they fear that would provide hackers with the tools needed to cause havoc during an election. They waited many weeks before making their findings public.

We were worried the threat was so serious that if the details were to get out, someone could actually do it, Rubin said.


stephanie.desmon@baltsun.com

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Bullies don't win elections.
Makes O team's job much easier.
That happened to me in the last 4 elections but

why, I don't know. It could be that the post office changed our street address 4 times yet lived here since ྈ.  I wasn't on the list even though I've been registered since 1988 and voted every election. All of a sudden, I had to fill out a special form to vote. Last local primary, they wouldn't let me vote and I had to re-register. Stupid!


This year I called to make sure I was registered and they said yes. Got a new registration card with the old address on it, but no trouble this year. I was #235 at 7:30 a.m.


My advice to your party if you want to win elections
start preparing for the future instead of living in the past.
Rigging Elections is a Crime

   The McCain/Palin GOP is already in the process of stealing the Ohio vote, as was done in 2004. Among those at the center of the GOP strategy is Bush Family computer operative Michael Connell, who programmed the key vote counting mechanisms that were used to give George W. Bush his second term.


ttp://www.truthout.org/article/ten-ways-gop-is-now-stealing-ohio-vote


Those 2 elections didn't leave a
shred of honesty in our election process.  As I recall in 2000 GWB declared himself to be president before he was declared the winner wrongly.  And people talk about Obama's b/c and want to know the "truth" about that.  I'd like to know the truth about the 2000 and 2004 elections and then I might be willing to talk about the "truth" of O's b/c.
you mean the same way Hillary stole the elections in certain states
with those machines manufactured by people who supported her. I know New York was one of the states and I would have to research the other states.

This is why there should be no machines involved. How about paper votes. How about a piece of paper with two name and a picture of each of them next to their name. This way if you cant read english you will recognize the person. Then you have a box next to it, put an X, a check, or even fill in the box and let people handcount the votes (no chads). I'd rather wait a day or two to find out who won and know it is a legitimate vote.
2 elections stolen? baloney. Meaningless war? Go
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Has the country decided not to hold any more elections
Was 2008 the very last election? I thought every four years there is an election. I also thought, according to past elections, that people should not just assume someone will win. They assumed Gore would win and he didn't, they assumed Kerry would win and he did not. Hence I would not assume Obama will win a second term. If he turns out to be a good president and we still have elections in 4 years, and nothing happens between now and then, then and only then will he most likely be re-elected. But since the guy has not even been sworn in yet and made any major decisions I would not be so bold as to just go on like he's going to be in for eight years. There is that slight possibility that he could very well be a crappy president like Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter (especially with all the people he is picking for his cabinet). I know the country is ready for a change and GW hasn't been the best, but until a man serves in the office we don't know what kind of a president he will be.

Unless of course you have heard something that none of us have heard and there will never be any more elections in the future. I have heard and read that Obama is a socialist, and maybe we are heading toward the same thing Cuba faces. The leader just appoints himself to the office every time. So maybe that is what you are referring to.
Hallelujah! Leftists in EU elections across Europe are

Don't think this will go unnoticed on this side of the pond as well.  Obama's numbers shriveling, the Democratic-dominated Congress even worse numbers...and the Republican gubernatorial candidate in New Jersey, of all places, is leading the Democrat incumbent by double digits in the polls.  Those who crowed prematurely about the demise of conservatism are going to find that the toe tag has been switched - and they're the ones who will end up wearing it.  Why?  Because they got above themselves and WENT TOO FAR.  It's so true, isn't it - "pride goeth before a fall". 


Conservatives Racing Ahead in EU Parliamentary Elections:


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090607/ap_on_re_eu/european_elections


I agree.about the memos. ...Speaking about the elections
in Iran, it is said that even the 1st election that made Ahmedinejad president, was a fraud, I quote..

'Iran does not allow international election monitors. During the 2005 election, when Ahmadinejad won the presidency, there were some allegations of vote rigging from losers, but the claims were never investigated.'

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Piglet: Kasparov calls Russia's elections...s/m

meaning the recent Putin reelection.....the *dirtiest* in their history.....


http://newsfromrussia.com/news/russia/03-12-2007/102126-kasparov_elections-0


It is all theater for the flock. Bush will cancel elections next. nm
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This is exactly how elections are held in Vermont, no voting machines. nm
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factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html:

FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.


Lee Green did not monitor the elections, Jimmy Carter did.
Lee Green is the director of CAMERA (Committee for Accuracy on Middle East Reporting) which is a Pro-Israeli American Media Monitor. I prefer to read a book and make up my own mind and certainly am not surprised that Zionist critics would hate Carter and the truths he exposed in his book. They can protest to their heart's content, but they can't turn lies into truth.
Even under occupation, Palestine hold democratic elections,
as do Turkey and Lebanon, and those countries do not occupy any other populations.