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You man after Israel killed 6 Palestinians on November 5 and

Posted By: sm on 2009-01-05
In Reply to: Yes, and Hamas once again broke the peace. - Israel has every right to defend herself.nm

failed to lift the blockade, a condition of the truce they ignored the entire time? Your ignorant statement about the Kool-Aid is completely illogical since Obama voiced a fairly unequivocal sympathy for Israel back in June during his visit there. My thoughts are completely my own and are based in reality, one shared by pretty much the rest of the world outside the homeland, and on my own experiences, not 60 years of US and Israel lies and propaganda.


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End of the year 2008 a total of 1.073 Palestinians were killed in Gaza and over 4,000 injured.
It is also a historical fact that the Palestinians were the FIRST to populate the Holy Land and that the Palestininas were driven from Palestine 1948, and again in the 1967 war Arab land went to Israel.

In the year 1993 the Palestinians concentrated in the 'Gaza Strip', this is a tiny, tiny land strip where 1.5 million Palestinians are living under horrible circumstances and in fear of Israeli attacks.

November 2008 Israel invaded Gaza and massacred Palestinians living there and the whole world condemned this act.

This is history!
Do you believe what the Palestinians say? sm
How do you know they are not inflating the numbers? Anybody can say this many were killed, but until you actually see the bodies, you don't really know. It is their word against ours. And if the Palestinians hide themselves behind women and children, hide their weapons in mosques, then they have to suffer the consequences.

The bad guys don't always wear uniforms.
Why should the Palestinians' fate be to be either be
AGAIN expelled from their land, Palestine, or be all be killed or continue to be a minority in the state of Israel?
Natanyahu's stance is very much weakened and, believe it or not, he can not withstand and contradict Obama any longer. Do not forget that the US supports Israel yearly with US$ 3 (three) billion and this gives the US definitely a say how this conflict is going to be solved.
The Palestinians have proven time and again
their preference for a one-state solution - a Palestinian state.  Israel has made numerous concessions, agreed to everything they want, only to have new demands made before the ink is dry.  All our administrations from Carter on have tried to broker a two-state agreement.  Israel is justifiably tired of  bargaining in good faith, giving up territory, agreeing to demands, only to find the finish line moved once again.  Obama did not invent the  concept of a two-state solution.  He's just in office when Israel is saying ''enough of this crap, no more going through the motions.'' 
Just like only on November 4th or 5th will we know
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Hey, the palestinians have been fighting and LOSING. They've been given every

opportunity to coexist peacefully, to have their own state, their own government --- THEY CHOSE TO FIGHT! 


And Israel has offered up land that is rightfully theirs only to have the palestinians kill their innocents with suicide bombers. 


Elections are in November.

The financial crisis is happening NOW and has to be handled NOW.  Our country is collapsing.  If we do not do some sort of bail out, we all will still suffer from this.  The value of the dollar will go down.  It will be much much harder and pretty much impossible for some to get loans from banks.  This means people won't be buying anything big like vehicles, homes, etc.  That will ruin sales even more than it is now.  Car companies will have to cut back on production because people can't get loans to buy.  The car dealers will start closing down because you can't make money if you can't sell vehicles.  Think of the jobs lost right there and that is just with vehicles. 


I don't feel that we should have to foot the bill.  I'm totally disgusted that our government has allowed it to get this far out of wack but we have to do something to get money back into the market.  If we do nothing, the consequence will be horrific.  We have to do something and we have to do something fast and that is more important than a debate especially since we have until November for elections.


They Won't be Lauging Come November
Let them keep up the ignorant posts, trying to twist Bush's incompetence and make into something Obama did. The voters will speak for everyone in the fall. Bye-bye pubs!
Let's spew hate until November 5.
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You have outlined a perfect example why we were beat in November. sm
People are tired of the dirty fighting.  If you want to fight, don't act like a bunch of 3 year olds on a chat board.  Namecalling and wishing people ill is not going to win you anything but disdain.  I certainly don't want you representing me on the left.  Do you know what they are talking about on the conservative board?  Current affairs and dying war heroes.  In other words, SUBSTANTIAL stuff.  How about trying that here for a change instead of the totally ridiculous Google searches.  My God.
Sam will be silenced in November when Obama wins!
Rest assured, I will not waste one more moment discussing issues that require thoughtfulness and intelligence with women who have none, such as you and your fearless leader sam! I will sit back quietly and wait for you both to be silenced in November when Obama and Biden are elected President and Vice President of these great United States. In the meantime...talk amongst yourselves.
Labor Department's report of 533,000 job losses in November — the biggest job loss in 34 years
Getting worse every day.
None. But I have not killed any either. sm.
with an organization who facilitates adoptions and alternative choices to abortion. Many girls have decided to not abort and keep their child when they have a support system and don't feel so alone. It is important work. I do put my money where my mouth is. Sometimes the easy fix is not the best fix. Why not go to the net and Google children of rape or children of incest or read some of the positive stories for people who chose life for the child. In the grand scheme of things, what is nine months of pregnancy for an entire lifetime of another person? To the tune of almost 2 million a year? If we can help ONE girl choose not to kill her baby I consider that a victory.
They killed themselves!

Good grief!  Is there anything else that hurts your feelings?  Just let us know so we can walk on eggshells for you. 


What if the protesting is getting them killed. sm
Like it did in Vietnam? 
Who Killed The Electric Car?

Wow, I just watched that documentary and it was very eye opening!  The movie just talks about automotive manufacturers and oil companies crushing electric car manufactuing in the 1990s.  Cars can run off of electricity alone, but of course the oil companies would lose trillions of dollars if electric cars became the norm for most Americans.  I highly recommend watching the movie.


I also recommend replacing at least one regular light bulb in your home with an energy-saving model.  If every household in the US did this, we could reduce global warming pollution by more than 90 billion pounds over the life of the bulbs; the SAME AS TAKING 6.3 MILLION CARS OFF THE ROAD. Wow!  Just a small thing we can all do to make a big difference.


I have believed for years that big companies are running this country.  They seem to have most politicians in the palm of their hand.  It's sickening, really.  Greed is such an ugly destructive thing, and these big corporations will never feel that they have enough money.  They want more, more, more and will crush anything to get it.  Many politicians are their puppets, and big corporations have entirely TOO MUCH power over this country and do not have the average American family's best interests at heart.  We all need to stand up and demand more freedom from foreign oil.


my son was delivered and almost killed
by Amy the Bryman student nurse midwife.
who killed the electric car?
I love this documentary. I think GM has bad karma.
Coulter says Murtha should be killed.

It's apparently acceptable to advocate assassination as long as you're a darling of the Republican party.


http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002689569


Latest Ann Coulter Outrage: On Fragging John Murtha

By E&P Staff

Published: June 15, 2006 11:55 PM ET


NEW YORK With the brief debate over Iraq in Congress producing such acrimony this week that one congressman suggested opponents of the war support al-Qaeda, it should come as no surprise that columnist and author Ann Coulter would top them all.

In an email interview with John Hawkins at the Right Wing News web site, Coulter was asked, among other things, to offer short comments on several individuals. After harmlessly dismissing former Ambassador Joseph Wilson as the World's most intensely private exhibitionist, she said of Rep. John Murtha, the hawkish ex-Marine and now antiwar congressman: The reason soldiers invented 'fragging.'

Fragging, which became a well-known expression --and occurence -- during the Vietnam war, means soldiers attempting to kill their own officers for one reason or another.

This was so over the top that conservative Mike Krempasky at RedState.org posted, I've said before that's its kind of ironic that just about every phrase Stewie from Family Guy uses to describe Lois could easily be applied to Ann Coulter. Well - once again, Ann proves us right. He went on to call her fragging remark absolutely disgusting....there's no excuse - NONE - for the allusion to soldiers who kill other soldiers. It's despicable - and frankly, so is Coulter.

Coulter's column is syndicated by Universal Press Syndicate. On its home page, Universal hails her witty, no-holds-barred commentaries on the Washington scene. She tackles the hot issues with fervor and stands up for the things that she believes in.




E&P Staff (letters@editorandpublisher.com)


Never said Bush killed anyone. Complicit, yes.nm
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Would you like me to quote how many children killed TI
by Hamas Muslim suicide bombers?  Children have been dying all along. You have so little scope of this picture, it is insulting.
Democrats killed our economy when they took
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How many Hamas do you supposed they killed
when they bombed the women's dormitory at the University? Explain to me what threat the five Ba'lousheh sisters, ages 17, 14, 8, 4 and 2 and residents of Jabalya refugee camp, posed to Israel? All five were buried today. It is not enough for Israel cripple and starve the refugees with its ongoing strangling blockade of food, supplies and medicine and turn Gaza and he West Bank into one huge armed prison camp. These blood thirsty barbarians will not rest until they have satisfied their appetites with their latest fix of Arab slaughter. After all, it's already been 2 long years since Lebanon....way too long for the more ravenous among them to endure.
No, it was over 1,000. killed. Check YOUR facts.
I am not sure how reliable this source is, but here goes:
http://links.org.au/node/823

Occupied Ramallah, Palestine -- December 27, 2008 -- Today, the Israeli occupation army committed a new massacre in Gaza, causing the death and injury of hundreds of Palestinian civilians [latest reports place the death toll at more than 200].

They did not state the number of wounded, but that is a far cry from the "over 1,000 killed" that you quoted. And if you do any Google searching at all, the number varies by whatever web site you go to.

And why does Israel have to kow-tow to the world? Why does Israel get blamed for all the troubles in the middle east? Ask yourself what provoked Israel to do that? I just can't see Israel waking up and saying, "Oh boy, what a beautiful day, let's go kill ourselves some Palestinians." Everybody knows that Palestine is a Hamas stronghold and that any terrorist groups in the middle east get their money and weapons from Hamas by way of iran and other countries that hate the USA. And that is most of them.
The guy who killed the doctor isn't an extremist.
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Cigarettes killed my dad but he still would HATE this
nm
What facts do you have that Bush killed this woman
I think the onus is on you here to prove that Bush killed somebody, not for me to prove he didn't.
Eventually, Saddam would have killed enough of his own people sm
maybe we wouldn't have to worry about it, right?  I mean, really, he was only killig his own people, so what is the problem.  He was persecuting his OWN people.  What a guy.
Do you know how many young people BUSH KILLED FOR OIL? sm
Even Palin admitted in her interview with the moron Glenn Beck that the war was at least partially about energy resources. Wise up!

Tiller the Baby Killer -- Killed

Gunned down at church this morning.


Iraqi Colleagues Killed U.S. Soldiers, Military Says

And 19 Republican senators and a conservative poster crashing this this board think that monsters like this should receive amnesty for killing our soldiers.  Unbelievable.







Iraqi colleagues killed U.S. soldiers, military says





SAN FRANCISCO, California (AP) -- Two California soldiers shot to death in Iraq were murdered by Iraqi civil-defense officers patrolling with them, military investigators have found.


The deaths of Army Spc. Patrick R. McCaffrey Sr. and 1st Lt. Andre D. Tyson were originally attributed to an ambush during a patrol near Balad, Iraq, on June 22, 2004.


But the Army's Criminal Investigation Command found that one or more of the Iraqis attached to the American soldiers on patrol fired at them, a military official said Tuesday. (Watch a mother's quest for truth -- 1:26)


A Pentagon spokesman knew of no other similar incident, calling it extremely rare.


The Army has conducted an extensive investigation into the deaths but declined to provide details out of respect for relatives of the soldiers, spokesman Paul Boyce said Tuesday evening.


It was unclear whether the investigators had established a motive or arrested any suspects.


The families of McCaffrey and Tyson were to be briefed on the report's conclusions Tuesday and Wednesday by Brig. Gen. Oscar Hilman, the soldiers' commander at the time, and three other officers.


When they come I have my list of questions ready, and I want these answers and I don't want lies, McCaffrey's mother, Nadia McCaffrey, said.


Soldiers who witnessed the attack have told her that two Iraqi patrolmen opened fire on her son's unit. The witnesses also said a third gunman simultaneously drove up to the American unit in a van, climbed onto the vehicle and fired at the Americans, she said.


Nothing is clear. Nothing is clear, she said. Her son was shot eight times by bullets of various calibers, some of which penetrated his body armor, she said. She believes he bled to death.


Nadia McCaffrey has become a vocal critic of the war in Iraq, and said her son had reservations about it, too, though he served well and was promoted posthumously to sergeant.


I really want this story to come out; I want people to know what happened to my son, she said. There is no doubt to me that this (ambushes by attached Iraqi units) is still happening to soldiers today, but our chain of command is awfully reckless; they don't seem to give a damn about what's happening to soldiers.


Iraqi forces who had trained with the Americans had fired at them twice before the incident that killed Patrick McCaffrey, and he had reported it to his superiors, she said.


Boyce said the U.S. military remained confident in its operations with Iraqis.


We continue to have confidence in our operations with Iraqi soldiers and have witnessed the evolution of a stronger fighting army for the Iraqi people, he said.


Patrick McCaffrey joined the National Guard the day after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, his mother said.


Tyson's family could not be located, and a message left with his former unit was not immediately returned.


McCaffrey, 34, and Tyson, 33, were members of the California National Guard. Both were assigned to the Army National Guard's 579th Engineer Battalion, based in Petaluma.


Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-California, pressed the Pentagon for answers about the case when Nadia McCaffrey was unsatisfied by explanations from the military.


Mrs. McCaffrey is set to receive a briefing from Pentagon officials (Wednesday) afternoon in California, during which we hope they will provide her with a full report of the facts surrounding Sgt. McCaffrey's death, said Natalie Ravitz, a Boxer spokeswoman.



Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.












 
 









 
Find this article at:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/06/21/soldiers.ambushed.ap/index.html
 

NOBODY WHO SAYS THEY ARE GLAD A HOMOSEXUAL WAS KILLED IN PHILADELPHIA IS ENTERTAINING EITHER...
yet one the liberals who post here told me that AL Franken was an entertainer and he said that...soooo....is PERFECTING JEWS any WORSE than I WAS GLAD THE PUDDING HOMOSEXUAL WAS KILLED IN PHILADELPHIA? DO YOU UNDERSTAND?????

And if you would read my posts, you would see that I do not agree with what she said, and I do not WATCH her...because someone does not watch her does not change what she is. I did not say I was personally entertained by it...far from it. But others are...they buy her books, they go to her lectures...and an amazing number of liberals do it to heckle her or read her books just so they can slam her...but their money spends just like anyone else's...they are the ones who keep her on the front page. I also said people would ignore her she would go away. She needs an audience, and liberals make up a good deal of that audience. Geez....dial it back a notch, will ya???
Getting a blow job is worse than sending Americans to be killed?

If choosing between a president who had his penis sucked in the oval office, and a president who threw unequipped National Guard troops under the bus to try to impress his daddy, I'll take the Prez with the healthy sexual appetite any day.


10 Reasons to Impeach G. W. Bush and Dick "Shoot 'em Up" Cheney (BTW it is too bad Cheney and Bush never went hunting together):


1. Violating the United Nations Charter by launching an illegal "War of Aggression" against Iraq without cause, using fraud to sell the war to Congress and the public, misusing government funds to begin bombing without Congressional authorization, and subjecting our military personnel to unnecessary harm, debilitating injuries, and deaths.


2. Violating U.S. and international law by authorizing the torture of thousands of captives, resulting in dozens of deaths, and keeping prisoners hidden from the International Committee of the Red Cross.


3. Violating the Constitution by arbitrarily detaining Americans, legal residents, and non-Americans, without due process, without charge, and without access to counsel.


4. Violating the Geneva Conventions by targeting civilians, journalists, hospitals, and ambulances, and using illegal weapons, including white phosphorous, depleted uranium, and a new type of napalm.


5. Violating U.S. law and the Constitution through widespread wiretapping of the phone calls and emails of Americans without a warrant.


6. Violating the Constitution by using "signing statements" to defy hundreds of laws passed by Congress.


7. Violating U.S. and state law by obstructing honest elections in 2000, 2002, 2004, and 2006.


8. Violating U.S. law by using paid propaganda and disinformation, selectively and misleadingly leaking classified information, and exposing the identity of a covert CIA operative working on sensitive WMD proliferation for political retribution.


9. Subverting the Constitution and abusing Presidential power by asserting a "Unitary Executive Theory" giving unlimited powers to the President, by obstructing efforts by


1. Violating the United Nations Charter by launching an illegal "War of Aggression" against Iraq without cause, using fraud to sell the war to Congress and the public, misusing government funds to begin bombing without Congressional authorization, and subjecting our military personnel to unnecessary harm, debilitating injuries, and deaths.


2. Violating U.S. and international law by authorizing the torture of thousands of captives, resulting in dozens of deaths, and keeping prisoners hidden from the International Committee of the Red Cross.


3. Violating the Constitution by arbitrarily detaining Americans, legal residents, and non-Americans, without due process, without charge, and without access to counsel.


4. Violating the Geneva Conventions by targeting civilians, journalists, hospitals, and ambulances, and using illegal weapons, including white phosphorous, depleted uranium, and a new type of napalm.


5. Violating U.S. law and the Constitution through widespread wiretapping of the phone calls and emails of Americans without a warrant.


6. Violating the Constitution by using "signing statements" to defy hundreds of laws passed by Congress.


7. Violating U.S. and state law by obstructing honest elections in 2000, 2002, 2004, and 2006.


8. Violating U.S. law by using paid propaganda and disinformation, selectively and misleadingly leaking classified information, and exposing the identity of a covert CIA operative working on sensitive WMD proliferation for political retribution.


9. Subverting the Constitution and abusing Presidential power by asserting a "Unitary Executive Theory" giving unlimited powers to the President, by obstructing efforts by Congress and the Courts to review and restrict Presidential actions, and by promoting and signing legislation negating the Bill of Rights and the Writ of Habeas Corpus.


10. Gross negligence in failing to assist New Orleans residents after Hurricane Katrina, in ignoring urgent warnings of an AL Qaeda attack prior to Sept. 11, 2001, and in increasing air pollution causing global warming.


 Congress and the Courts to review and restrict Presidential actions, and by promoting and signing legislation negating the Bill of Rights and the Writ of Habeas Corpus.


10. Gross negligence in failing to assist New Orleans residents after Hurricane Katrina, in ignoring urgent warnings of an Al Qaeda attack prior to Sept. 11, 2001, and in increasing air pollution causing global warming.


You have real issues and I've never killed an abortion doctor
nor have I condoned the very few that have. We are not all murderers. I'm sorry that something has has happened in your life to make you so against God, but demonizing us will not make your issues go away. We are not trying to be superior, but if you want religion to stay out of schools then all religion and theories (which liberalism is full of) needs to stay out too. If you want it vanilla and equal well then it works both ways.
Republicans want amnesty for terrorists who killed or wounded US troops.

The following is a compilation of Senate Republicans defending the proposal to give amnesty to terrorists who have killed or wounded US troops. These statements were made on the Senate floor yesterday.


TED STEVENS - IF THAT'S AMNESTY, I'M FOR IT: I really believe we ought to try to find some way to encourage that country to demonstrate to those people who have been opposed to what we're trying to do, that it's worthwhile for them and their children to come forward and support this democracy. And if that's amnesty, I'm for it. I'd be for it. And if those people who are, come forward... if they bore arms against our people, what's the difference between those people that bore arms against the Union in the War between the States? What's the difference between the Germans and Japanese and all the people we've forgiven? - Sen. Ted Stevens



MCCONNELL SUGGESTED A RESOLUTION COMMENDING IRAQIS FOR GIVING TERRORISTS AMNESTY. ...might it not just be as useful an exercise to be trying to pass a resolution commending the Iraqi government for the position that they've taken today with regard to this discussion of Amnesty? - Sen. Mitch McConnell



ALEXANDER COMPARED IRAQI AMNESTY FOR TERRORISTS TO NELSON MANDELA'S PEACE EFFORTS. Is it not true that Nelson Mandela's courage and his ability to create a process of reconciliation and forgiveness was a major factor in what has been a political miracle in Africa...Did not Nelson Mandela, win a - the co-winner of - a noble Nobel Peace Prize just for this sort of gesture? - Sen. Lamar Alexander



CORNYN: IRAQI AMNESTY DEBATE IS A DISTRACTION. It makes no sense for the United States Senate to shake its finger at the new government of Iraq and to criticize them... it really is a distraction from the debate that I think the American people would want us to have. - Sen. John Cornyn



CHAMBLISS: AMNESTY IS OK FOR EX-INSURGENTS AS LONG AS THEY ARE ON OUR SIDE NOW. Is it not true today that we have Iraqis who are fighting the war against the insurgents, who at one time fought against American troops and other coalition troops as they were marching to Baghdad, who have now come over to our side and are doing one heck of a job of fighting along, side by side, with Americans and coalition forces, attacking and killing insurgents on a daily basis? - Sen. Saxby Chambliss




http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/06/15/gop-senators-defend-propo_n_23083.html


Germany, who killed millions of Jews wants to prosecute Rumsfeld.

That makes sense. 


Rights under Saddam? Any country where people are tortured, mutilated, and killed is no better
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Israel
There are many jews who do not like Sharon, many.  I could post what they say about him but I wont.  However, posting about great leaders, I grew up loving absolutely loving Golda Meir..The situation in Israel is not ours to decide or get heated about..the situation we need to get heated about is America.  To try to tie jews and christians together happily cannot happen.  For many many years christians did not even acknowledge jews or their beliefs, now all of a sudden lets get together as we believe as one, however, we do not believe as one, not at all.  I have watched this over a few years, the christians are trying to hook onto jews as they think well, we both believe in the Bible so we believe the same.  We do not believe the same.  First of all, we do not believe in the new testament, we do not believe in hell, many of us do not even believe in a heaven and we do not believe in jesus as a savior.  He was a jewish man who taught peace and love and tolerance but nothing more.  Our savior has not come yet.  I think you truly pray and feel for Israel, however, maybe you can take a few courses of Judaism at a local synagogue and understand us more.  I know my local synagogue has courses for non jews to learn more about us.
Oil from Israel
Has anyone researched that? In the coming future, Russia will attack Israel. Those who have researched prophecies of the future of the world believe a gusher of this oil wealth is soon coming from Israel, and Russia (amazingly not called Soviet Union in these prophecies of 1100+ years ago) will form an Islamic alliance (they really don't want to) and will come down from the north and attack unwalled villages, supposedly for this sudden great wealth of oil. However, Israel has built walls all over the place. So, this attack will probably happen after the one world leader soon to appear on the world scene offers a convincing (but false) peace and Israel tears the walls down. I have been to Russia, and it is so different from what was promised to the Russian people back when my parents were very young. Then, it was a revolution similar to what Castro was supposed to have done, and now what Chavez is supposedly doing. I saw the apartments, hospitals, schools, etc., in Russia. Yes, Kruschev said there were no homeless people. I only saw people who had to live in apartments where the government dictated that they live and no freedom to express their opinion. Their cost to live in these apartments - free. Our cost to have the freedom in America to say what we want to - priceless. Anyone remember that guy that wrote, The Late Great Planet Earth, back in the 1970's. He now has a program called International Intelligence Briefing. Check your local/cable listings. If you know of any others like him who have researched this other side of the (global) story, please let me know. Thanks.
Israel was willing........... sm
to give the Gaza Strip to the Palestinians in 2005 and allow them to govern it on their own, but that wasn't good enough for the Palestinians.

China has given us untold amounts of money. Does that mean that China has a say in how our country should be run?

I stand on my previous statements that any country that does not support Israel (and I don't mean just monetarily)is barking up the wrong olive tree.
do you really think it is just to let Israel
take the whole of Palestine? Does not matter what the Bible says!
US, Israel planned ME war

Why does none of this surprise me?















'US, Israel planned ME war'
13/08/2006 11:06  - (SA)  



New York - The US government was closely involved in the planning of Israel's military operations against Islamic militant group Hezbollah even before the July 12 kidnapping of two Israeli soldiers, The New Yorker magazine reported in its latest issue.

The kidnapping triggered a month-long Israeli operation in South Lebanon that is expected to come to an end on Monday.

But Pulitzer Prize-winning US journalist Seymour Hersh writes that President George W Bush and vice president Dick Cheney were convinced that a successful Israeli bombing campaign against Hezbollah could ease Israel's security concerns and also serve as a prelude to a potential US pre-emptive attack to destroy Iran's nuclear installations.

Citing an unnamed Middle East expert with knowledge of the current thinking of the Israeli and US governments, Israel had devised a plan for attacking Hezbollah - and shared it with Bush administration officials - well before the July 12 kidnappings.

The expert added that the White House had several reasons for supporting a bombing campaign, the report said.

If there was to be a military option against Iran, it had to get rid of the weapons Hezbollah could use in a potential retaliation against Israel, Hersh writes.

Citing a US government consultant with close ties to Israel, Hersh also reports that earlier this summer, before the Hezbollah kidnappings, several Israeli officials visited Washington to get a green light for a bombing operation following a Hezbollah provocation, and to find out how much the United States would bear.

The Israelis told us it would be a cheap war with many benefits, the magazine quotes the consultant as saying. Why oppose it? We'll be able to hunt down and bomb missiles, tunnels, and bunkers from the air. It would be a demo for Iran.

US government officials have denied the charges.

Nonetheless, Hersh writes, a former senior intelligence official says some officers serving with the Joint Chiefs of Staff remain deeply concerned that the administration will have a far more positive assessment of the air campaign than they should.

There is no way that (defence secretary Donald) Rumsfeld and Cheney will draw the right conclusion about this, the report quotes the former official as saying. When the smoke clears, they'll say it was a success, and they'll draw reinforcement for their plan to attack Iran.


 


Israel solution

Move the state of Israel to Virginia, Jerry Fallwell and Pat Robertson can fight over the honor, and see how much y'all love Israel then.


I am not asking you to discuss Israel. sm

I know that it happens all the time.  I am sorry that it does.


You don't have to go to Israel to know right from wrong.
Occupation, blockade, genocidal war of attrition, settlement expansion, diasporas of refugees, no right to return, the wall, imposition of police state, creation of open air prisons/terrorist breeding gounds, countless treaty violations, repeated invasions, plunder of resources, wholesale murderous slaughter featuring killing, generations of widows, widowers and orphans, maiming for life and massive destruction of property...just to name a few things off the top of my head.
Why Israel Fights

Why the Israeli attack helps the US by taking on Hamas now and why this time Israel may succeed in Gaza. A well-written perspective on Gaza, Israel, Hamas. This adds more to consider as we all discuss this war.


Why Israel Fights
By WILLIAM KRISTOL
Published: January 4, 2009


The Israeli assault on Hamas in Gaza is going to be a replay, we’re told, of the attempt to subdue Hezbollah in southern Lebanon in the summer of 2006. And the outcome, it’s asserted, will be the same: lots of death and destruction, no strategic victory for Israel and a setback for all who seek peace and progress in the Middle East.


Obviously, war is an unpredictable business, so I say this with some trepidation: I think the conventional wisdom will be proved wrong. Israel could well succeed in Gaza.


For one thing, southern Lebanon is a substantial and hilly area, bordered by northern Lebanon and Syria, through which Hezbollah could be re-supplied, both by Syria itself and by Iran. Gaza is a flat, narrow strip, bordered by Israel, as well as by the sea and by Egypt, no friend to Hamas. By cutting off the northern part of Gaza from the southern, Israel has basically surrounded northern Gaza, creating a military situation very different from that in Lebanon in 2006.


What’s more, the Israeli leadership seems aware of the mistakes — political, strategic and military — it made in Lebanon. That doesn’t mean it won’t make them all over again. The same prime minister, Ehud Olmert, is in charge, after all. But, today’s defense minister, Ehud Barak, is very different from his predecessor, the weak and unqualified Amir Peretz. So far as one can tell, the Gaza operation seems to have been well-planned and is being methodically executed, in sharp contrast to the Lebanon incursion. Barak has also warned that the operation could be long and difficult, lowering expectations by contrast with the Israeli rhetoric of July 2006.


In addition, in Lebanon, Israel proclaimed war goals that it couldn’t achieve — such as retrieving its two kidnapped soldiers and disarming Hezbollah. Now the Israeli government says that it seeks to weaken Hamas, lessen its ability to fire rockets from Gaza and secure new arrangements along the Egyptian-Gaza border to prevent Hamas from re-arming. These may well be achievable goals.


And, of course, not all military efforts against terror fail. Recall Israel’s incursion into the West Bank in the spring of 2002, when, under the leadership of Ariel Sharon, Israel succeeded in ripping up established terror networks and began the defeat of the second intifada. Israel also was able to avoid a long-term re-occupation, while retaining the ability to go back in on anti-terror missions. What’s more, the 2002 bloodshed didn’t seem to do lasting damage to hopes for progress or moderation on the West Bank. After all, it’s Gaza, from which Israel withdrew in 2005, not the West Bank, that became a Hamas stronghold.


An Israeli success in Gaza would be a victory in the war on terror — and in the broader struggle for the future of the Middle East. Hamas is only one manifestation of the rise, over the past few decades, of a terror-friendly and almost death-cult-like form of Islamic extremism. The combination of such terror movements with a terror-sponsoring and nuclear-weapons-seeking Iranian state (aided by its sidekick Syria) has produced a new kind of threat to Israel.


But not just to Israel. To everyone in the Middle East — very much including Muslims — who aren’t interested in living under the sway of extremist regimes. And to any nation, like the United States, that is a target of Islamic terror. So there are sound reasons why the United States — whether led by George W. Bush or Barack Obama — will stand with Israel as it fights.


But Israel — assuming it succeeds — is doing the United States a favor by taking on Hamas now.


The huge challenge for the Obama administration is going to be Iran. If Israel had yielded to Hamas and refrained from using force to stop terror attacks, it would have been a victory for Iran. If Israel were now to withdraw under pressure without accomplishing the objectives of severely weakening Hamas and preventing the reconstitution of a terror-exporting state in Gaza, it would be a triumph for Iran. In either case, the Iranian regime would be emboldened, and less susceptible to the pressure from the Obama administration to stop its nuclear program.


But a defeat of Hamas in Gaza — following on the heels of our success in Iraq — would be a real setback for Iran. It would make it easier to assemble regional and international coalitions to pressure Iran. It might positively affect the Iranian elections in June. It might make the Iranian regime more amenable to dealing.


With respect to Iran, Obama may well face — as the Israeli government did with Hamas — a moment when the use of force seems to be the only responsible option. But Israel’s willingness to fight makes it more possible that the United States may not have to. 


Who does Israel belong to? So you are saying

the U.N. overstepped its bounds?  And what about the United Kingdom that controlled the area in the early 1900s? 


Like it or not nations are formed through civil war.  There are winners and there are losers.  It's really very simple.  The process has not changed for centuries and it will never change.  The strong prevail.  The righteous prevail. The minute we take a liberal viewpoint, that's the exact minute we become weak. 


So, even after Israel withdrew from
Gaza, the Hamas still continued bombing Israel. Who is the aggressor?
Yep those mean conservatives are over there helping Israel

Yep, they'll be back when all the Lebanese are dead, because all us conservatives are evil like that.    



No, they live in the US, and the US backs Israel.nm
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I have studied U.S./Israel relations

I have studied U.S./Israel relations extensively.  I fully understand that the protestors do not share my point of view as well as you.  From reading your copious posts I am very clear on where you stand.  I will not be so presumptious as to think I know your biography, but you obviously believe everything wrong in the world has U.S. origins.  I believe you are wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt, but I will not try to change your mind.  Since liberals in general are so worried about how the rest of the world thinks about us I will bring to your attention that it becomes ever more clear by your stances and views as with those on the extreme left that you all side with terrorism.  You can spin it any way you want, but you come off as supporting terrorists.