Hey...this whole thing started when YOU interrupted a conversation...

• Let me take one shot at clarifying... - sam
  • Crikey!! - CG
    • Sorry, CG. I apologize.... - sam
    • Why do you feel sorry for the moderator? - sam
      • You're just insulting each other and - Lucy
        • Sorry, Lucy... - sam
        • She doesn't have to tell me....good grief, it's a free country... - sam
  • A little context before retreat. - GT/GW
    • again...as usual...paid no attention... - sam
      • Went looking for the bigot shortcut... - GT/GW
        • You take yourself wayyy too seriously..... - sam
          • This one's too easy. Just made my day. - GT/GW
            • Here is one of those nasty four-letter words for you.... - sam (also known as spiteful little vixen lol)
              • Keep 'em coming. - GT/GW
                • The fact remains as you so artfully ignored... - sam the spiteful vixen
                  • Calling you a vixen was an insult to the vixen. - bookworm
                    • Ah...GT's disciple...or alter ego, whichever... - sam
                      • oh and by the way....you Dems have had a majority in Congress for awhile now... - sam
                        • Polls - bookworm
                          • I really have to start watching this Sean Hannity... - sam
            • Geez. You kill me.... - sam
              • Dead-end dialog - GT/GW/BW
                • Oh I don't know, you are doing a heck of a fine job... - sam/spiteful little vixen
                • Thank you for answering the disciple/alter ego question.... - sam
  • Very well written - Just me
  • Pure Race Definition: One Without Neglect & Abuse - Eliminate all Neglect/Abusers; everyone else can s
    • can stay. - NM
      • Acutally...sad to say.... - sam
  • Preach on, Sam s/m - TT112OldTimer
  • Fact is just a four-letter word. - Guess who?
    • Boy, your cease fire didn't last long....LOL - sam
    • I'd like to answer that question - TT112OldTimer
      • We need to loan them a contigent of our.... - sam
      • To Guess Who? - trix
        • Take those sterotypes... - GT/GW
          • Sighhhhhhhhh LOL. nm - sam
            • Was I speaking to you? - GT/GW
              • Hey...this whole thing started when YOU interrupted a conversation... - sam
                • Just another walk in the park. - GT/GW
                  • Unbelievable. LOL..... - sam the spiteful vixen
        • I hear that, Trix... - sam
        • Another murder - TT112OldTimer
          • To Guess Who/Globe? Whatever the heck your name is? - trix

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and it was about Affirmative Action. I remember it well because it was very long and civil exchange between the two of you back when I thought you could be reasoned with.  Nan said something about you have a different perspective and something like she could not challenge you from an African American point of view, I don't remember all the details, because you were African American at which point you said something like, what makes you think I am African American and she said, she thought you had said you were and you said I didn't say that because I am not.  Now this is not word for word but it is the gist of it.  Remember now?

things done without the parents' knowledge.

an event that took place during the Iraq war (not sure of the date, but I'm sure some of you will remember it).  There was an Iraqi child who was (as well as many others) caugt in a bombing raid.  It was all over the news about how the US military had given him provisional care and transported him from place to place, trying to get him to a place where he could be treated appropriately.  Unfortunately (like many other Iraqi civilians) he eventually died.  This in itself was not that remarkable, especially considering at the time the US was lobbing bombs into Iraq with the precision of a pumpkin-chunkin contest.  What was remarkable, however, was when the doctor who was caring for the child came out and told the news of his death to the world.  There were several questions entertained by the doctor from reporters, but the one that really struck home for me was one from a US reporter.  The question was, do you think the boy understood what we are trying to do here?  The boy that died was all of about 4 or 5 years old. 

Not long after, the US decided to not show casualties in the news.  The government unfortunately was right in assuming the out of sight, out of mind thing would work.  It's amazing just how naive Americans can be.

This is a perfect example of what you would call American pride, honor, etc.  Nevermind the people who die, just make sure we look good doing it.  Again, I am not negating the value of the American soldiers here, they are simply doing what they've been told to do. 

When you talk about soldiers helping the Iraqi people, exactly how are they helping them?  Are they bringing them food and medicine because we have destroyed their infrastructure?  Are they helping them find a place to stay because their house played catch with a US missle?  Or are we just taking care of their kids because we took mommy and daddy to a torture camp?  Believe me, we are doing much more harm than help.  Have you noticed that Iraqi civilian casualties far outnumber the casualties of American soldiers?  Where's the help for that?

And yes, I did have someone serving in Iraq. 

an event that took place during the Iraq war (not sure of the date, but I'm sure some of you will remember it).  There was an Iraqi child who was (as well as many others) caugt in a bombing raid.  It was all over the news about how the US military had given him provisional care and transported him from place to place, trying to get him to a place where he could be treated appropriately.  Unfortunately (like many other Iraqi civilians) he eventually died.  This in itself was not that remarkable, especially considering at the time the US was lobbing bombs into Iraq with the precision of a pumpkin-chunkin contest.  What was remarkable, however, was when the doctor who was caring for the child came out and told the news of his death to the world.  There were several questions entertained by the doctor from reporters, but the one that really struck home for me was one from a US reporter.  The question was, do you think the boy understood what we are trying to do here?  The boy that died was all of about 4 or 5 years old. 

Not long after, the US decided to not show casualties in the news.  The story above may have contributed to this, but the basic idea was that Americans didn't like to see Americans dead.  The government unfortunately was right in assuming the out of sight, out of mind thing would work.  It's amazing just how naive Americans can be.

This is a perfect example of what you would call American pride, honor, etc.  Nevermind the people who die, just make sure we look good doing it.  Again, I am not negating the value of the American soldiers: they are simply doing what they've been told to do. 

When you talk about soldiers helping the Iraqi people, exactly how are they helping them?  Are they bringing them food and medicine because we have destroyed their infrastructure?  Are they helping them find a place to stay because their house played catch with a US missle?  Or are we just taking care of their kids because we took mommy and daddy to a torture camp?  Believe me, we are doing much more harm than help.  Have you noticed that Iraqi civilian casualties far outnumber the casualties of American soldiers?  Where's the help for that?

And yes, I did have someone serving in Iraq. 

If you don't want to discuss it on the political board, quit discussing it. 

Buchanan to Obama

By Patrick J. Buchanan

Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America.?

Fair enough. But this time, it has to be a two-way conversation. White America needs to be heard from, not just lectured to.

This time, the Silent Majority needs to have its convictions, grievances and demands heard. And among them are these:

First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a
community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.

Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American.

Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the ླྀs on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community
into the mainstream.

Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks -- with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas -- to advance black applicants over white applicants.

Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.

We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude??

Barack talks about new 'ladders of opportunity' for blacks.

Let him go to Altoona and Johnstown, and ask the white kids in Catholic schools how many were visited lately by Ivy League recruiters handing out scholarships for 'deserving' white kids.?

Is white America really responsible for the fact that the crime and inca rceration rates for African-Americans are seven times those of white America? Is it really white America's fault that illegitimacy in the African-American community has hit 70 percent and the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 percent?

Is that the fault of white America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself?

As for racism, its ugliest manifestation is in interracial crime, and especially interracial crimes of violence. Is Barack Obama aware that while white criminals choose black victims 3 percent of the time, black criminals choose white victims 45 percent of the time?

Is Barack aware that black-on-white rapes are 100 times more common than the reverse, that black-on-white robberies were 139 times as common in the first three years of this decade as the reverse?

We have all heard adnauseam from the Rev. AL about Tawana Brawley, the Duke rape case and Jena. And all turned out to be hoaxes. But abo UT the epidemic of black assaults on whites that are real, we hear nothing.

Sorry, Barack, some of us have heard it all before, about 40 years and 40 trillion tax dollars ago.

thread, so she is not responding to anybody's attacks in this case.  Second, I think it is very mean to attack someone's religious beliefs.  Third, GP indicated that George Bush said that God told him to be president.  If I remember correctly, George Bush said that God told him to RUN for president.  So he did.  SP did not say that God doing the right thing would put McCain in the White House, nor did she imply it.  She said that she has faith that God will do the right thing and that his will for the country will be done.  Imagine, two Christian practicing their faith and treating God as if he actually exists.

Guess what?  God told me to call my sister last weekend.  Am I delusional too?  Or is it only delusional to think God speaks and leads if you are national figure?  

First of all, I am a firm believer in evolution.  From what we know from archeologists, man started in small groups and gradually formed larger and larger groups, forming communities.  We do know that they worked collectively for the benefit of the community, some hunting, some preparing meals, etc.  So, I think there is a large element in society that says we choose what is "right" for the sake of the good/success/survival of the community. 

I know that most will say the Bible, and I think the Bible did play a role, but not the only role.  This is evidenced by the fact that all cultures have gone through this evolution of determining what is right and wrong.  Consider the tribe in the middle of nowhere (and yeah there are still a few) that has had no contact with ANY religion.  Scientists have studied cases like this before and have found that even they have a set of "rules" that they go by, and these rules were based on what would or would not benefit their community. 

I think the most important thing though is that the rules of right and wrong are constantly changing as we evolve.  If you asked your standard white christian lady in the 1800s if it was okay to beat the slave out back, the answer would have most likely been yes.  Ask the same question today of anyone and the answer should be no. 

So, I think evolution and probably instinct for self preservation are the key factors.

All you've done since you've come here is flame and insult.  If you'd treat people with some respect and dignity, you'd be surprised at how quickly it would come back at you.  Instead, you're treated the way you treat others.  How does it feel?

I cited examples of true things that happened.  Unlike you, I didn't bash or negatively judge one single poster on this board. 

Yes, I call them CONS, as in NEOCONS.  I don't know how anyone who believes they are a Republican can worship someone as they do Bush who is the complete antithesis of anything REPUBLICAN.

Since you continue to show your contempt for the monitor and the monitor's rules, how about you leave me alone on this board, and I'll return the favor?

Nah, you aren't capable of doing that, are you?  Well, keep flaming away.  I'll take the higher road which you've never traveled and ignore you.

One more thing:  Every single thing I posted is the truth.  Your claim that it's hysteria without any facts to back it up merely proves the negative value you contribute to this board.

If you're referring to my health situation as hysteria, then until you've walked in my shoes and know what I've been through in the last month healthwise, you have no basis or right to claim that anything I said is hysteria.  Having no compassion for someone who's very ill is clearly a CON point of view, so dressing yourself up in a costume representing another political party isn't fooling anyone.  You may be a little higher up on the food chain than I am, maybe insulated with a husband who provides you with health insurance and additional income, but America has become a hungry shark where only the strongest survive, the weakest are disposable, and the same thing could happen to you. 

Bush's policies in all areas are making it look pretty bleak.