my job has already been affected since this stuff started -
Posted By: Amanda on 2008-11-18
In Reply to: your view is naive, short-sighted and simplistic - cj
I am already down about $1500 a month in the last 3 months. I know what is going to happen - but I don't think I should have to keep helping bail other people out!
Is anybody helping bail me out because I cannot pay my mortgage this month? No - because I was responsible... is anybody helping me out because I can't put gas in my car this week? No, they are not. Is anybody helping me out with the power bill, the water bill - are they going to pay my cable so that it is not turned off this week? No they are not.
It is time to stop bailing these companies out and let them figure out how to straighten their messes out on their own.
We are just giving these companies more money for more of the same and I for one am tired of doing it.
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What is happening now is affected by what happened then...
and the fact remains that the Democratic party did, as a whole, seek to keep African Americans enslaved and after the Republicans, led by Abe Lincoln, abolished slavery, the Democrats (and yes, a minority of southern Republicans), did effectively deny African Americans the right to vote for another 90 years. The 60's are also part of history...and it was then and only then that African Americans got the clear right to vote. I think that is a bit more than a "bad decision." And yes it has changed, albeit after the fight (the civil war) and after numerous attempts by Republican congresses to try to override it...finally enough Northern Democrats did cross over and the right to vote was given. Certainly things have changed. It is just incorrect to state that the Democratic party has always been of a "liberal" view. They have not. That does not mean that Democrats of today follow that same mantra (some do, but they are leftovers of the past). DW, it should be hurtful to know that this occurred. Revisionist history has caused the majority of African Americans in this country, in fact most young people of this country, not to know what happened in those days. I am sure if you polled African Americans on the street they would have no idea that the Democratic party and a minority of the Republican party as well sought to keep them oppressed for 90 years AFTER the Civil War. Most of them probably think the Republican party was responsible for the whole thing. And before the attacks start...I do not consider myself Republican. I have tendencies that go both ways, and I don't think there is a name for that...other than Independent.
Yes, Bush bashing is hurtful in my mind not because I am a big Bush fan, but I do not understand why some people get such joy in making fun of someone. It reminds me of kids in a schoolyard. I don't see why people can't discuss his policies they object to and that sort of thing, but the incessant ya-ya'ing about his intelligence, he's an embarrassment...yada yada. Yes, that is hurtful on a purely human level.
The past was brought up in response to someone talking about how conservatives were probably "afraid" of the Salt Lake City major because he was liberal and worked for civil rights, yada yada. While working for civil rights may be a liberal trait, as recently as the 60's it was not. I have been called down many a time for things that happened in the "past." We really cannot shove the past under the rug. It is part of who, and what, we are.
And I think we can all agree that thank God, we all learned from it.
An insult is defined by how someone is affected; therefore, is personal. - sm
btw, your continued "what are you (insert age here) or something?" comments are not insulting, but rather pitiful.
This stuff again. I thought this OWG stuff went out in the mid 90's.
There is much more to the world than your little conspiracy-laden corner of it. Besides, the ACLU fights these kinds of things tooth and nail. Thank Godess for the libbies.
Really, is this the best stuff you can come up with over here? How about some
I don't know why you say some of the mean stuff you say, so....
who are you to determine who is a straight thinking person? I think what he was getting as is simple. It is a FACT, like it or not, that African-Americans make up a huge portion of our jail population, much more than their 13% representation in the population would expect. Saying that a black person has a lower IQ because they are black is racist. Stating a fact like 70% of black children are born to an unwed mother, while sad and startling, is simply a fact and not a racist comment.
Since you take this stuff so seriously
look at who is #2---but again, I guess the Google fairies have worked their magic in putting these people under the word miserable.
so it's stuff everybody already gets anyway...
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Same here. Cant take any more of this stuff on TV.
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Actually new stuff, you just don't like to see it. n/m
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I think BB get all this stuff from
moveon.org or something. Sounds a lot like that sort of thing. 
Even if he did say that stuff...
who cares?! Is Bush in the White House now? No! Whatever lame remarks Biden might have made to him when he was in the White House really don't matter any more. He's just trying to puff out his chest because he has nothing else to do since Obama is keeping him on such a tight leash.
Unfortunately, like so many of the rest of our "leaders," you can't believe a thing that comes out of their mouths.
LOL! Who comes up with this stuff??
I have to forward this to my husband now; he loves a good joke!
This stuff was not broadcast
because anyone believes Bush is a groper or is worried that he has a potty mouth. it was published and broadcast to show how inept he is out of his element - the ranch.
bored with this stuff, onto something new
Mother of Britney and Jamie Lynn Spears is out promoting new book. In a Newsweek article, she points out the hypocrisy of her daughter being criticized for being a pregnant teenager and she being called a bad mom, but Bristol Palin is commended for valuing life and her mom is made out to be a good mom.
Not a fan of the Spears, but I thought she had a valid point.
don't make stuff up. You don't know that, and neither do I...nm
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Truly scary stuff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8fSe27iloU
of course he would say that stuff - he was running against him! nm
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More dumb stuff.
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Interesting stuff...
http://www.politicalwrinkles.com/elections/3723-mike-klonsky-obama-blogger.html
Mike Klonsky has had a blog on Obama's official website for a few months now (His first article is from February)...
Soooo who's Mike Klonsky?...
Quote:
Michael Klonsky (born 1943) is an American educator and political activist. He is perhaps most famous for being National Secretary of Students for a Democratic Society in 1968...
...On May 12, 1969, Klonsky and four other SDSers were arrested at the organization's Chicago national headquarters for assaulting a police officer, interfering with a firefighter, and inciting mob action[/b]. A prank call to a local police station said there had been a shooting at SDS' offices. When the police arrived, Klonsky and the others were convinced it was a ruse to gain access to SDS' offices.[1] Klonsky convinced the police everything was fine, when a second prank call brought local firefighters to the scene. When the police attempted to force entry to the offices, Klonsky and the others resisted. Convinced state repression of SDS was coming, Klonsky told a national television audience on CBS' "Face the Nation" that police repression of the New Left was being planned by the U.S. Department of Justice...
...At SDS' June 1969 national convention in Chicago, Klonsky played a major role in the dissolution of the organization. A group of 11 SDS national leaders—including Bernardine Dohrn, Jeff Jones, John Jacobs, Mark Rudd, Bill Ayers, Terry Robbins, and Howie Machtinger—had met in April and May of 1969 to craft a response to PL supporters within SDS. Their article, "You Don't Need A Weatherman to Know Which Way the Wind Blows," was published in New Left Notes on June 18, 1969, the day the convention opened. The "Weatherman" statement denounced imperialism and racism, and repudiated PL's claim that youth culture was bourgeois. The Weatherman statement called for revolutionary violence at home to stop imperialism, and the formation of collectives in major cities to support violence and stop factionalism. |
Maybe you'd like to see a little more from our Weatherman friend?...
Quote:
In late 1969, Klonsky founded the October League, a communist party which in 1977 became the Communist Party, Marxist-Leninist. He was elected the party's chairman. The group opposed Gay Liberation and supported the regime of Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, Shah of Iran. Klonsky made several trips to China beginning in July 1977, where he was warmly received by government and Communist Party of China officials and treated to state dinners. |
Now either you believe that Obama complicitly allows this thing to happen on his blogs because of his association or you believe that their campaign site is run by such ignorant people that they unknowingly and freely let anyone who feels like blogging get their own page...!["](http://www.politicalwrinkles.com/images/smilies/rolleye0011.gif" "Rolls")
Of course, you could easily say "maybe Obama doesn't know anything about this loon and doesn't want anything to do with him!"...
tsk, tsk, tsk...Not so easy, my compadres...read on...
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In 1991, Klonsky co-founded the Small Schools Workshop in Chicago |
Co-founded?...
Wonder who co-founded it with him?...
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William Ayers, Distinguished Professor of Education and Senior University Scholar at the University of Illinois at Chicago (UIC), and founder of both the Small Schools Workshop and the Center for Youth and Society, teaches courses in interpretive and qualitative research, urban school change, and teaching and the modern predicament. |
Okaaaaayy...
So what does this have to do with Barack Obama?...
Well let's look at the grant support for this workshop...
Quote:
GRANT SUPPORT
Grants obtained for the support of the Small Schools Workshop and/or the Chicago Forum for School Change at the University of Illinois at Chicago, co-director, principal investigator.
Annenberg Challenge -1997 - 260,000 |
Annenberg Challenge?...What's that?...
!["](http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z23/cnredd/Annenberg_Ayers.gif")
Hmmm....wonder who the chairman of the Annenberg Challenge was in 1997....
Quote:
Obama served on the board of directors of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge from 1995–2002, as founding president and chairman of the board of directors from 1995–1999 |
There you have it folks...
Mike Klonsky - Communist leader...and along with Bill Ayers, promoter of American terrorism, created a school workshop that received a grant from the Annenberg Challenge, the Chicago branch created by Bill Ayers and had Barack Obama as president and chairman, and now Klonsky gets his own little blog on Obama's offical website...
But you're not supposed to believe in "guilt by association", eh?...!["](http://www.politicalwrinkles.com/images/smilies/mad.gif" "Mad")
Let's look back at what Obama said about Bill Ayers...
Quote:
At the debate, Obama said of Ayers: “This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who's a professor of English in Chicago who I know and who I have not received some official endorsement from. He's not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis. And the notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8 years old, somehow reflects on me and my values doesn't make much sense.” |
When Bill Ayers started the Annenberg Challenge and YOU became the founding president and chairman of it, you weren't 8 years old dummy...
Thanks - it too me a lot of deletions and stuff
I didn't want to offend anyone because I believe we all have rights as human beings to believe whatever we want to believe - I have a mormon sister (who grew up with me in a methodist church) and she keeps pouring on me how her religion is right and anyone who is not mormon will not be on the "higher level" after we depart and then it will be too late. HA HA HA But then again I have an aunt who feels that because we are not in the charismatic movement we are heathens. HA HA HA. Sometimes you just have to sit back and laugh at it.
That's too funny about the guy telling God to get his act together. God's probably up there saying "who died and made you boss". HA HA
Believe it or not some of us 'uns still eat that stuff
which is why we won't go hungry. 'Course ya gotta be a Hill William (classier version of Hill Billy) to appreciate them thar vittles. LOL
I think he has his stuff altogether, and if I were you
would not worry 1 second about his getting the big head. There have been others before him (say Kennedy that I remember well before he took office and while in office) and the same thing you are seeing, the adoring audiences, etc. were very apparent then also. Obama has a lot of sense going for him- nah, would not lose any sleep on such a trivial issue. The country is so glad to be rid of Bush that people are tremendously overjoyed about this new fresh face. I think he will be a tremendous president.
This is scary stuff.
I'm totally out of the loop on this one. When did this come about? I'd like to read up more about this.
funny stuff
"Well who wouldn't want to teabag John McCain?"
OMG I just totally lost it when I heard that! ROFLMAO !
Granted, noone wants to see stuff like that, but...(sm)
these people are not strangers to violence and humiliation (including the civilian population). They also saw what their own countries have done to prisoners (again including their own civilian population), which, as has been pointed out numerous times on this board, is just as bad, and probably worse. I think that has to play a role in it. We're talking about a different culture with different views of punishment and "rules of war."
This all started because you said
*founded on Christian principles*....now I see you've moderated it to *God* Yes, they were *Deists* not Christians as you said in your first post...big difference....not that you will even admit there is a difference.
First of all, GP started this particular
thread, so she is not responding to anybody's attacks in this case. Second, I think it is very mean to attack someone's religious beliefs. Third, GP indicated that George Bush said that God told him to be president. If I remember correctly, George Bush said that God told him to RUN for president. So he did. SP did not say that God doing the right thing would put McCain in the White House, nor did she imply it. She said that she has faith that God will do the right thing and that his will for the country will be done. Imagine, two Christian practicing their faith and treating God as if he actually exists.
Guess what? God told me to call my sister last weekend. Am I delusional too? Or is it only delusional to think God speaks and leads if you are national figure?
That is not how it started...
This has been going on for quite a while on the Politics forum. The rabid right-wing Christians have been forcing their beliefs on all of us for months and months and months. They have quoted scripture and told us that anyone who does not believe as they do is destined to burn in eternal fire. They have no respect for people of other religions. I was born into a Jewish family, and I have never felt animosity towards any Christian until recently. These posters have forever changed my opinion of Christianity and not for the better!
For nm-So have I. Plus 2 others started lately.
Does that give you a hint?
Don't get that started here......... sm
That is rude and totally uncalled for.
Looks like you started it
When you tried to accuse W of having a double digit and O of triple.
The fact of the matter is you don't know what GW's score is or O's for that matter. I've been on several sites pro and con for both sides. I've read that people were trying to pass a lie that GWs was 99 (looks like you want to believe the lie too). However there are many sites that say he scored around 129. They also said that some people want to believe O's is higher, but according to his SAT/LSAT is ranges in the 115-120. However, it also says that he won't release his SAT score. Imagine that....Obama not releasing information? Say it ain't so Joe.
The fact is before you start accusing someone of a low or high IQ score maybe you should research a little more. We get it, by your posts you don't like GW. Don't know many who do (including myself), but I don't lie to make one look bad.
Don't even get me started.
Double standards, contradicting, arrogance, etc. How much money does that jet cost for promotional tours? I thought stimulus passed.
The 259 is the cheap stuff, what I use most times.
I saw on the news the other night threats from the president not to ship oil to the US, I didn't catch the reason. And this could further raise prices.
I don't even want to think about the heating bill this winter.
They are anal about typos and stuff, Rep. sm
It messes up their notebooks. When challenged they have two strategies: Call you a liar or say you aren't worth their time to argue with. Pretty consistent and predictable. 
Wow. This is pretty scary stuff.
Guess there aren't too many logical conclusions that can be drawn from it other than the obvious. :-(
I read all that hot air, digg stuff
of whatever Brunson posts. What are you afraid of.
And stuff the pockets of the weathiest
Slash and burn. It's what they do.
As will the stuff that piles up on the other side....
when the debates start. We'll see how it all plays out, and how all of America perceives it, not just we on this board. That will tell the tale. Yes, she did say he was the man she admires most in the world. If I recall, as a young man, Obama snorted cocaine and drank heavily, by his own admission. Michelle still loves him. In my mind, both of these things are in the past, in their youth, and nonissues.
Please stop smoking that stuff...
it is interfering with your cognitive ability to THINK. This crock has been refuted A LONG TIME AGO. Please get with the program.
Wow....that's good stuff....and he does explain it....sm
very well, so that you can understand it.
Pretty ugly stuff for someone . . .
who is so fond of mudslinging!! He is a desperate man who would rather incite hate mongering than address the real issues at hand!!
This stuff has happened at both rallies, just not
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The stuff from China may be cheap
But it's junk! When I got married, I got an electric can-opener as a gift. (We're talking way back in the dark ages...the 70s). Anyway, it lasted almost 20 years til it quit and I had to replace it. Guess how long it's replacement lasted? Less than a year. Ditto my other appliances. Sure it's cheap, but you get what you pay for.
Add to that the recalls caused by the poisons in pet food and baby formula, all the leaded paint scares from Chinese toys....
We're better off without them. Buy American! You might pay more, but the stuff lasts longer and you're helping to keep our people working.
You ar right, Kaydie. How can people SEE this stuff
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The stuff in that article has been refuted...
and so far as I know has not been endorsed by known communists and terrorist organizations (Sal Alinsky's son and Hamas). In the questionable associates column, Obama is way ahead in "tics." Just being honest here.
have you actually read what it said, or just the out of context stuff? nm
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thanks for the link. interesting stuff.
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My sister believes this stuff
My sister's church tells her this stuff to scare her and get her tithe. Let me tell you in the 80s she was no saint. It makes me feel bad for her that her church makes her so afraid and discourages her from thinking for herself.
Pretty scary stuff
Emanuel reveals plans for mandatory induction for all young adults into a civilian force. - Sounds like the draft to me.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80829
Very NOT interesting, same old tired stuff. n/m
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I think this "O lover/worshiper stuff
comes from little chicks who aren't dry behind the ears yet. I think the rabid Republicans are far more vocal than the avowed Democrats. The person who called me "stupid" above makes me laugh. A couple of things I've heard in the past few days although I haven't taken time to really research what is going on..........Caroline Kennedy to take Hillary's senate seat??? Chelsea Clinton taking the seat?? and....horror of horrors, out of Bush's own mouth, the possibility of his brother Jeb being elected to the senate. I would say I am an equal opportunity politician hater.........Democrat or Republican. We do not need Caroline riding into office on her legendary name and as for the Clintons and Bushes...well, I've had a belly full of both of those names. "Obama" is a welcome change of name although I am not happy with all the Clintonites he is appointing and I suspect he's affiliated with the politics of the Clintons and Kennedys.....maybe even with the Bushes.
How anyone can defend the Bush administration is far beyond me. I heard D*ck Cheney tonight, from his own mouth, when it was stated by a news talk show host that 2/3 of the American thought the Iraq war was wrong. He gave his EVIL grin and said "so?" Ain't that special!!!!! That is exactly what we've had for the past 8 years from this administration and the last 2 years of the Democrat led Congress....."this is what the people want....." and they say "SO?????" One would think that it's about time we have a change in leadership. But then I guess some would consider that though to be "stupid."
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