Gee, the only violent hate groups I see around here

• Report: 50% rise in violent hate groups - Marmann
  • Gee, the only violent hate groups I see around here - are.....well, it mght ruffle your feathers! nm
    • A quick look at this board shows... - Marmann
      • Yes, you should know... - nm
  • Yep, MSNBC made a point of going over that - garbage instead of more important things!
  • Oh pleeeeese....what a load of crap - mt
  • SPLC? Might as well quote Homer Simpson. - TechSupport
    • As might you. FAIR accepted - donations from -AR
      • "Guilt by association" is a logical fallacy. - TechSupport
  • Thanks for posting this. - sm
    • I doubt it, too. (sm) - Marmann

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Southern Poverty Law Center: 50% rise in violent hate groups

A new report from the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), which tracks the activities of violent hate groups in the United States, has found an alarming rise in the number of such groups, from 602 in 2000 to 926 in 2008.

This comes on the heels of a controversial report on "violent extremism" from the Department of Homeland Security, which has outraged many conservatives by seeming to lump them in with extremists.

Morris Dees, the founder of the SPLC, told CBS's Harry Smith on Wednesday that he believes the two reports do "synch up pretty much" and that "the report from the Department of Homeland Security should be taken very seriously."

However, the SPLC's own report focuses very narrowly on groups which actively preach violence, including neo-Nazis, the Ku Klux Klan, and the "racist skinhead subculture." It also notes the surprising rise of "anti-Semitic black separatists calling for death to Jews on bustling street corners in several East Coast cities."

"A key 2008 hate group trend was the increasing militancy of the extremist fringe of the Hebrew Israelite movement," the report states, "whose adherents believe that Jews are creatures of the devil and that whites deserve death or slavery. These radical black supremacists have no love for Barack Obama, calling him a 'house nigger' and a puppet of Israel. They preach to inner-city blacks that evil Jews are solely responsible for the recession."

Dees told Smith, "The political climate, the election of Obama, the immigration issues ... and now, especially, the economy is almost causing a resurgence of what we saw in the days of Timothy McVeigh, almost a militia movement that's being reborn. ... I think that an American person is much more likely to be harmed by a domestic terrorist extremist group than by one from abroad."

Dees also emphasized that many extremist groups are recruiting Iraq veterans and even active-duty members of the military because of their expertise with arms and explosives. "It's a serious issue," he stated, "especially with a lot of these guys coming back with post-traumatic stress syndrome, coming back to a failing economy, the inability to buy a home and get a job and get credit."


This video is from CBS's The Early Show, broadcast Apr. 15, 2009.

Video at:  http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Southern_Poverty_Law_Center_50_rise_0415.html

throw under the bus?  He obviously needs a much bigger bus!

That's a real friend, wouldn't you say?

This is what's on Hannity's webpage.

http://thepoliticalcarnival.blogspot.com/2009/02/hannitys-america-what-kind-of.html

Isn't this something like....oh.....maybe inciting treason or something?

This is a little long but it's 2 articles. Sounds like they are getting pumped up and ready for a fight. Funny, I don't remember 2 million troops fighting in the Korean War. Anybody else?    "Workers and GFTUK Members Meet to Protest against U.S. Imperialists

Pyongyang, June 24 (KCNA) -- Workers and members of the General Federation of Trade Unions of Korea held a meeting on the bank of the River Taedong where the monument to the sinking of the U.S. ship of aggression "General Sherman" stands and the U.S. imperialist armed spy ship "Pueblo" is anchored on Tuesday on the occasion of the "June 25 the Day of the Struggle against U.S. Imperialism." A reporter and speakers at the meeting recalled that the sworn enemy U.S. imperialists stretched the tentacles of aggression to Korea from more than a century ago and ignited a war of aggression to destroy the young DPRK in its cradle on June 25, 1950. The Korean war was the most brazen-faced and brigandish war of aggression in the world history of wars and a savage war of genocide baffling the human imagination, they said. Noting that the U.S. imperialists have imposed all sorts of misfortune and sufferings upon the Korean people during the history, they declared that should the U.S. imperialists ignite a war again, the army and people of the DPRK will fully mobilize the nation's capability for self-defence built in every way under the Songun leadership of Kim Jong Il, illustrious commander of Mt. Paektu, and wipe out the aggressors in this land to the last one and achieve the historic cause of national reunification. They stressed the need for the workers and the members of the GFTUK to protect Kim Jong Il, who represents the destiny of the country and the nation, politically and ideologically at the cost of their lives and glorify the ever-victorious history of Songun Korea with the might of single-minded unity more powerful than a nuclear weapon, united closer around the headquarters of the revolution. A letter of protest was read out at the meeting." " Agricultural Workers Vow to Take Revenge upon Enemy Pyongyang, June 24 (KCNA) -- A meeting of agricultural workers was held outside the Class Education Hall in Kaesong City on Tuesday to vow to take revenge upon the enemy on the occasion of "June 25, the day of the struggle against U.S. imperialism". Kang Chang Uk, chairman of the Central Committee of the Union of Agricultural Workers of Korea, made a report at the meeting. Speeches were made there. Kang and the speakers said that the Korean war launched by the U.S. imperialists was the most brazen-faced and brigandish war of aggression to suffocate the DPRK and reduce the whole of Korea to their colony. They condemned the thrice-cursed atrocities committed by the U.S. imperialists, recalling that they hurled more than two million troops including their aggressor forces and a huge quantity of war hardware into the Korean war, indiscriminately killing innocent people and reducing the cities, farm villages, industrial establishments, schools and hospitals to ashes. They declared that the army and people in the DPRK will get fully prepared to go into action and would turn out to defend the country to the last in a do-or-die spirit, should the U.S. imperialists intrude into their fertile land even an inch. The servicepersons and people in the DPRK will remain unfazed in face of any sanctions and blockade of the U.S. imperialists and are sure to win as long as they are under the leadership of Kim Jong Il, illustrious commander of Mt. Paektu, and have invincible military power and their single-minded unity."

Reading these posts I am trying to understand why Gov. Palin is hated so much.  I'd like to know facts (not rumors or lies).  Can you provide me with answers as to why.  I just don't understand it.

The conversative republicans on this board are not coming out with hate towards Obama/Biden, and I really don't see much hate towards McCain, but the actual hate is seeping out and infiltrating all of your thoughts with Gov. Palin and I cannot understand why.  I've seen her interviewed.  She doesn't seem too bad.  She's knowledgeable about the issues and answers questions with confidence.  I've also seen Obama, Biden and McCain interviewed too and I just don't understand what it is towards Gov. Palin but not the others. 

Please provide facts too.  Everything I am reading on this board are rumors and lies, so if you could just tell me.  Even if you say you don't like her because she's pretty, or she decided to have a baby instead of aborting him, etc I don't mind answers like that because they will be truthful, but please don't tell me you hate her because of something manufacted, or for something she is not personally involved in.

Just trying to understand.

I think there are a few bone fide nut jobs on this post that got a whole lot of people sucked into their delusions.  Fooled me twice. Later!

going to happen (talking about issues). There are too many new ones on here now and all they want to do is name calling, pick fights, and won't try to find the truth and, sadly, it's also the way of the country nowadays.  I have been appalled at the reaction lately and even ones who have been on here a long time and always posted decently are turning into the negative posters, too.

Unless the posters start following the rules of this board, I doubt it will ever change.

but these hicks that you talk about using food stamps to buy food are the same people who will benefit from Obama's presidency.  It won't be hard working individuals like ourselves.  This type of irresponsible behavior will be rewarded by government assistant programs at the expense of the working Americans who pay for them and who is pushing for more government programs.....why I do believe it is Barrack Obama....is it not?

As for Sarah Palin, she has done very well running Alaska and has worked her way up from the bottom to the top in her state.  She wasn't born with a silver spoon in her mouth.  If Sarah Palin was as ugly as Hillary Clinton is and was pro-choice, you all would be drooling over her.  But because she is an attractive woman who is conservative, you ladies would rather say she has no brains because she is pretty. 

How smart are we?  Our country elects a man who has no experience whatsoever and when it comes to writing bills, he hands the everything over to Pelosi.

Please continue to tell me how stupid Palin is when Obama runs our country into the ground because I'm sure that will make sense to everything ignorant Obama is doing right now. 

but taking control away from the taliban and giving it back to the country the taliban is trying to take over is about our freedom.  The more control the taliban gets, the more power they get and the more ability they have to attack us on our own soil.

As for why we are still there....I do believe it was Obama who extended the timeline for the troops in Iraq while sending troops into Afghan.  So it appears that Obama's pulling out of the troops and running back home plan didn't work out so well when he actually got into the White House and saw what was really going on.

As for the "torture" accusations, I hate to break it to ya but terrorists and pirates do not fall under protection of the Geneva Convention.  We broke no law as they are terrorists and I would rather "torture" a terrorist to try and save American lives.  We will never know the full story on this until all the information is released.

As for Pelosi, she is so high and mighty.  If you are going to stand there and point the blame on everyone else but yourself when others claimed that you knew and did nothing.....well.....of course Pelosi is now under fire and she should be.  If she truly knew about it....she is just as guilty for allowing it and not saying a word and then lying about it to make her look all pure and innocent.

However, I still say this whole thing shouldn't have happened.  Those original memos should not have been released to begin with and that was something the liberal loons wanted so they could start their witch hunts on the Bush administration.  If Obama really wanted to move forward he would have just said what is in the past is in the past.  We can't change what happened but we move forward and will not do so again.  Instead we are belittling our CIA and our troops and putting ourselves in danger while giving terrorists more power to recruit more psychotic people to their cause. 

I'm consumed by lots of other things, though.

I am consumed by fear, though, over America's future, watching Supreme Court justices chosen because of religious beliefs and worshipping Bush like a god, instead of merit and qualifications, fearful that what begins with overturning Roe might end with the Supremes outlawing living wills, stem cell research, and other privacy rights to which every American citizen is entitled. 

I am consumed by anger that an American president would use fear and lies to the entire world in order to wage a war that he most likely had planned before he was even elected president.

I'm consumed by frustration that after 9/11, we don't have a leader who cares enough about the safety of Americans to secure our borders, KNOWING that it's easy access for foreign terrorists to enter this country, and actually causing two states to declare states of emergency for that reason.

I'm consumed by disappointment that our top leaders have no ethics or fondness for the truth, that two (at least) high-ranking White House officials would disclose the identity of a CIA agent working on WMD, placing many lives in danger by such disclosure -- simply because her husband told the truth about the president's lies.

I'm consumed by compassion as I witness the lower-middle class sinking even lower, closer to the poverty level by virtue of the luxury commodity that gasoline/home heating oil have become in America and worry about all the old people and children who will forget what it feels like to be safe and toasty warm in the winter, assuming they can stay healthy and survive the cold days and nights they will be forced to suffer.

I'm consumed by a sense of betrayal as I watch the promise of religious freedom in America vanish before my eyes, replaced by a theocracy catering to one religious group, rendering all other religions unequal and substandard.

Yes, I'm consumed by lots of things.  Hatred isn't one of them.  I don't hate anyone or anything.  Sadly, you and those of your ilk have cornered the market on that emotion, and I will pray for you, even if you do despise my particular God.

and read the entire thread before spouting your baseless accusations.  I've struggled and am not rich monetarily.  It's not my goal in life.  I'm rich in other things, and with that I'm content.  There are times I probably would have qualified for goverment help but I wouldn't take it.  My needs got met, because I called on a higher welfare source and that's God.  I in no way diminish the plight of others, and I don't think lower of others who do to get a leg up.  I give to my church and other charities, and for you to accuse me of thinking or caring for others is not only pompus but a completely untrue accusation.

You said below that you don't take time off from *correcting* others, but you seriously need to take some time off and cool your jets, because you come off looking really hostile and mean.

you were talking about the good ol' USA before I read the article you posted.  

From:Think Progress.com

Right-Wing Radio Host Advocates Murdering Border Crossers

Right-wing radio host Brian James of KFYI in Arizona recently advocated murder as a way of dealing with undocumented immigrants. An excerpt:

What we’ll do is randomly pick one night - every week - where we will kill whoever crosses the border. Step over there and you die. You get to decide whether it’s your lucky night or not. I think that would be more fun…[I’d be] happy to sit there with my high-powered rifle and my night scope.'

The remarks prompted Arizona Attorney General Terry Goddard and U.S. Attorney Paul Charlton to send a complaint to the FCC. Here’s a portion:

At no time during this hour did Mr. James disavow violence or indicate he was joking. In fact, when one caller suggested Mr. James did not really mean he wanted to shoot and kill immigrants, Mr. James retorted that in fact he did mean it. Immediately after this exchange, Mr. James engaged the next caller in a discussion about the correct ammunition to use when shooting border crossers to make sure the shots would be fatal.

This type of threatening and inciting speech is dangerous and totally irresponsible for anyone, particularly a licensed body using public airways.

Brian James has not apologized and claims his comments were “satire.” Later, for a story on the KFYI website, James said “KFYI does not advocate shooting illegals. It might be fun, but they don’t advocate it.”