Give it up, B. Come on out of the cesspool back to the clean air! NM
Posted By: MT on 2005-09-11
In Reply to: I don't recall saying in my post that you were gt. SM - Brunson
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Let's give it all back to the Republicans....
Seriously......let them clean this mess up. Obama will get nowhere and they will just tar and feather him. He doesn't deserve it. He wanted more for this country. Evidently, the big corporations and the rich deserve all the breaks. Let them eat cake. When it hits the fan.......they won't be able to leave their houses......The general pop is not so enamored with the wealthy anymore.....they are FED UP.
The rich DO give back... Your problem...
is that you take one example of something and make sweeping generalizations about the entire group. Barbara Streisand sits around telling the rest of us to hang our clothes on the line, while she consumes 10x what the average family consumes in her many homes and automobiles, and I bet hasn't hung something on a line in 50 years. There are people who do selfish crappy things all over the political spectrum, but you use examples to pain an entire political party, and it's wrong.
Well, they already made him give back Hamas' money.
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AIG Employees Starting to Give Back Bonuses
WASHINGTON -- The chief executive officer of failed insurance conglomerate AIG told lawmakers Wednesday that he has asked executives to give back at least half of their bonuses.
Edward Libby, chairman and CEO of the American International Group, said that some workers there already have volunteered to return the money.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/18/aig-chairman-faces-congressional-grilling-bonuses/
Hey you two down there....keep it clean
Get yourselves out of the gutter, and stop attacking in such vicious ways. You're using different names tonight, but still the same nastiness against certain conservative posters, so its obvious you're the same two people who do it every day, almost like clockwork.
There have been considerate posts from both sides all day, with thoughtful and civil discourse, with no vulgarity.... and it's been a nice breath of fresh air without you.
Keep it clean, please, or go elsewhere.
Come clean? LOL. O cant come clean because he
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Clean your shoe, why don't you.
Because obviously, that smell is following you around.
There is no Air America scandal and certainly nothing you can(reasonably, although we know you don't take that seriously)blame Rachel Maddow for. Air America's former CEO made some bad decisions (gee, that never happens does it?) because he had connections with the charity in question and the fledgling AA was in trouble. However, that was HIS mistake and he is no longer at AA (yes, some people actually get rid of poor performers, unlike our WH). AA didn't do anything wrong and there are no charges against them because there's nothing to prosecute. DESPITE that they have acknowledged that they feel badly about the entire affair and have offered to repay the money even though they are not obligated to do so. I'd say that's far from scandalous - and very much unlike anything you'd see a NeoCon do - they don't pay back ANYBODY even when it IS their fault. Why, here you have the Republican governor of Kentucky under investigation and he declares he's going to use the power of the office to PARDON HIMSELF. Nice schtick if you can get it, huh.
And when are you going to give up and admit defeat anyway? Still waiting for Karl Rove to flood the airwaves with his particularly sour mutilation of the truth? You can't win this one no matter how many radio stations you try to smear. You're all suddenly looking pretty sallow standing there in the spotlight all by yourselves. Face it - Bush will never live this down. His appointments will never live this down. They did wrong, the whole world has seen it. Even Shepard Smith and Geraldo have seen it. Even Newt Gingrich has seen it! Incredible huh? It hardly matters what they do now. The damage is done. Americans who actually care will save as many as they can from here on out and the news is only going to get worse for you and your conning stormtroopers. A lot of those people will survive. A lot of them will talk. It's not only Democrats who are enraged over this egregiously horrible bumbling. If I were you I'd just slink off into the shadows and not make it any worse for myself. For once Democrats and real Republicans are united against this deplorably out of touch and elitist bunch of Washington money-suckers. Don't blame us for the political mileage - that's just a sad side effect. We'll take it but we'd rather thousands more people had lived instead of having their corpses nibbled by rats in the filthy flooded streets. We owe them. So just stand down - this one is NOT SPINNABLE.
Lead by example and clean up
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Just want to clean up the environment.
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Keep it clean now. Obama was
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"squeaky clean" -LOL. You cant be serious about
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Hardly "squeaky clean".........sm
That is but one thing that really bothers me about him........how nothing thus far seems to stick. I think I will call him the Teflon President.
You and me both. We need a clean sweep of
government. Our senator from PA that was killed in a car accident (RIP-I really liked him) now has his SIL running for his seat. There will be a special election in February and I'll vote for the one I think is the best.
Err, yes they were. Better clean off those specs and
Please refer to my other "Err" post above.
Whoever gets the position will have a whale of a job to clean up. sm
Our troops are stretched so thinly worldwide that homeland security is compromised. Ya gotta hear some of the older vets talking strategy...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiJk6MeBx54
So sad...so true.. clean-up-hitter.
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Thank you Clean-up Hitter and Sam for your posts below
I was so afraid I was going to get slammed/bashed for that one (the day is still early though HA HA). I find it is true though. My MIL - she is a true dem all the way. When DH points something wrong on their side she will deny, deny, deny, but in an instant will talk about some rumor or false thing she heard about the pubs. When talking to her (which I don't anymore about politics) but the only think I can think of is that line from the Harry Potter movie that Harry Potter said to Ron Weezely "that's totally mental". HA HA But talk about wanting to pull your hair out. Too frustrating. After last nights convention I am so psyched to listen tonight.
Okay, better get my work done now so I can watch later. Thanks again.
Who Scrubbed Palin Clean?
Why?
How the Wikipedia entry of Republican vice-presidential hopeful Sarah Palin was mysteriously scrubbed clean in the hours before John McCain revealed his running mate
http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/culture-tech/2008/09/usa-vote-palin-wikipedia
Wiki was also scrubbed clean,..
when Palin was picked. Imagine that! They scrubbed what they could without being TOO obvious.
It's not my party. Clean up your own mess....
oh...what am I thinking. You don't see any mess. Got it.
Don't have a range rover; 6 cylinder jeep. No leather. don't smoke, never have.
Class envy is really ugly.
Why doesn't Obama come clean about socialism?
And if you wanted to know what McCain wants to do for the country you could go to his website and read it if you have room in your brain for anything not Barack Obama.
He is so squeaky clean, hence the fictional garbage. nm
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blame it on businesses who won't clean up their trash..................NM
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Court rules Bush violated Clean Air Act
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/17/AR2006031701127_pf.html
Looser Emission Rules Rejected
Court Says Changes By EPA Violated Clean Air Act
By Juliet Eilperin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, March 18, 2006; A01
A federal appeals court blocked the Bush administration's four-year effort to loosen emission rules for aging coal-fired power plants, unanimously ruling yesterday that the changes violated the Clean Air Act and that only Congress could authorize such revisions.
A three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit sided with officials from 14 states, including New York, California and Maryland, who contended that the rule changes -- allowing older power plants, refineries and factories to upgrade their facilities without having to install the most advanced pollution controls -- were illegal and could increase the amount of health-threatening pollution in the atmosphere.
The Environmental Protection Agency's New Source Review policy was formally issued in 2003 but has never taken effect because of legal challenges by state officials and environmental groups. The administration has long argued that the existing standards are too stringent and have discouraged utility plants and other industries from upgrading and expanding their facilities. But opponents have characterized the rule changes as a favor to administration allies in the utility and coal-producing industries that would greatly add to public health problems.
New York Attorney General Eliot L. Spitzer, who led the court fight to block the administration's New Source Review policy, called yesterday's ruling a major victory for clean air and public health and a rejection of a flawed policy.
It will encourage industry to build new and cleaner facilities, instead of prolonging the life of old, dirty plants, Spitzer said.
In a statement, EPA spokesman John Millet said: We are disappointed that the Court did not find in favor of the United States. We are reviewing and analyzing the opinion and cannot comment further at this time.
Some studies have linked pollution from coal-fired power plants to as many as 20,000 premature deaths in the United States every year. Environmental activists have made curbing this type of pollution one of their most pressing legislative and legal priorities, and yesterday they celebrated the ruling.
Irish eyes are surely smiling -- and we all will be breathing easier -- with this green court ruling on St. Patrick's Day, said John Walke, director of the clean-air program at the Natural Resources Defense Council. This is about as thorough a rebuke a court can give.
President Bush took office in 2001 promising to ease regulations on coal-fired power plants as part of a larger energy production initiative. Three successive administrators of the EPA have tried without success to alter the rules and policies adopted during the Clinton administration that cracked down on aging power plants and refineries that were not equipped with modern air pollution equipment when they were upgraded and when their output was expanded.
Under the revised policy that was rejected by the court yesterday, power plants and other industrial polluters would not have to install new pollution technology if they modernized less than 20 percent of their operations.
The central question in the case focused on what constitutes an industrial facility modification, because that is what triggers the federal requirement to cut down on the smog or soot emitted by utilities, oil refineries, incinerators, chemical plants and manufacturing operations. Previous administrations, including Bill Clinton's, had interpreted that phrase to encompass any physical activity that increases pollution from a given facility, with the exception of routine maintenance.
EPA officials in the Bush administration sought to broaden this exemption by asserting that routine maintenance is any activity that amounts to less than 20 percent of a plant's value. But the ruling, written by Judge Judith W. Rogers, rejected that reasoning as illogical.
EPA's approach would ostensibly require that the definition of 'modification' include a phrase such as 'regardless of size, cost, frequency, effect,' or other distinguishing characteristic, Rogers wrote. Only in a Humpty Dumpty world would Congress be required to use superfluous words while an agency could ignore an expansive word that Congress did use. We decline to adopt such a world-view.
The other two judges on the panel were David S. Tatel and Janice Rogers Brown.
The EPA's statement did not indicate whether the administration intends to appeal the ruling. Both Walke and Scott Segal, a lobbyist for the utilities industry, said it would be difficult for the administration to forge ahead in light of the appeals court's strong ruling. Walke said the decision is tantamount to the court burying the rule six feet under, where before it was just in a casket.
Segal said the ruling will make it more costly for plants to operate. This is a missed opportunity for reform that would have made it easier to improve power plant efficiency and workplace safety, and that's bad news for consumers and the environment, he said. We believe it is a step backwards for the protection of air quality in the United States.
© 2006 The Washington Post Company
You can put lipstick & a clean dress on trailer-trash,
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Clean Energy Fuels and Nancy Pelosi
My, must be nice. Trying to pass a bill for clean energy and who is going to profit from this? T. Boone Pickens owns Clean Energy Fuels. Nancy and her husband bought #50K-$100K worth of stock in May 2007. No wonder she's pushing it. It means a fortune for her.
Another site states her husband bought the shares alone, but she lives in CA where it's share and share alike.
http://selfinvestors.com/tradingstocks/news/the-pelosi-pickens-profit-plan-with-clean-energy-fuels-clne/
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=72225
Why would you call people who just want a nice clean commentary on a board...sm
a bunch of bullies? I'm amazed at you. How are we the losers when someone else calls us names all night long and we only ask for common civility?
Your logic seems backward. It was a bully of one, directed at us.
And if you really want to talk about a bully pack, look to yourselves. The dems pile on sam to no end some days, nasty nasty stuff, when it's just her on. Why is it okay for you to do it to her with meanness, and we only ask for civility and common courtesy, and yet we're the bad guys?
We're all Americans here. Why do you continue to divide us? We're more alike than you care to admit, in a lot of ways.
But the big one that separates us, from the media, down to the people on blogs, is that liberal dems are mean and downright nasty to republicans. If we don't agree with your point of view, on almost any subject, you treat us as less than nothing. I just don't understand it.
I was trying to be helpful last night, and point out that she really should try to get along. But she didn't want to. Sally actually has some good posts occasionally, hidden in between her icky ones. I look for them sometimes, and feel she should be here, as is anyone's right. But no one should have to be subjected to vulgarity.
That's the big difference too. Dems don't want to get along with anyone, most often. You only get along with yourselves.
Very, very sad.
get on back, neocon, get on back
Tell ya what, sweetheart, last I checked this is the LIBERAL BOARD and I havent been banned, as I dont break the rules, so I can stay as long as I want..Seems to me, conservative, you are the one who should mosey on by and get back to drink more Kook-Aid.
Don't give up......
Hey, how about the URL?
Give it up.
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You get the job they give you. sm
I honor all our military, no matter what job they do.
Okay - I give up. LOL.
I was hoping for a better result the second time, but I didn't get one. Please use the link if you're interested in reading this in its entirety.
Sorry! 
http://www.rense.com/general84/close.htm
Maybe we all should give ourselves
a mini bail-out and take a tax holiday next April by filing hundreds of millions of extensions.
I can give you my take on it.....
he is trying to give tax breaks to them in order to get them out from under the heavy tax burden put ON them by Democrats which caused them to outsource in the first place. If corporate taxes are lower here that only encourages companies to keep their employees here, their operations here, and even encourages overseas companies to but divisions here and employ even more Americans. It is just common sense if you look at it on the face of it. We have the second highest corporate/business taxes in the entire world. If you had a business, would you not want to make money? We ask employers to do huge benefits packages for employees, and then turn right around and tax them into oblivion. They have to do something...either offshore or go under. High taxes and big government are NOT helpful to business, and if business does not thrive, we the people don't either.
Yes, but it would only give those who
act like fools now regardless of their situation an excuse to be hostile. More intelligent people might harbor deep feelings but the ignorant ones will be out on the streets acting like they normally would, only worse.
Give me an 0-B-A-M-A and what do you have?...
 OBAMA!
Okay.....I will give you that....sm
Some are Christians....but look at what only a few were able to accomplish on 9/11. Think of what thousands more could accomplish. Look at what Hitler and Idi Amin and Saddam Hussein were able to accomplish. They were not the majority in their respective countries, but they were able to exterminate millions of people. Are you ready for that? And don't think it could never happen in America.
Maybe O will give me the....... sm
family rate........... NOT!
Okay, I give up.
All I see is promises. calm demeanor is another. He was a bit rattled at some of the questions asked of him throughout the campaign.
I'm afraid of his "form of thinking"... "world view, plans and policies". His voting record leaves something to be desired. He is not focusing on the middle class, but is focusing on the have-nots.
His "voting record, his biography?" Not good. His "accomplishments"? What, that he came up so fast in government? That's a little quizzical. How did he accomplish that?
I am truly worried about his "orientation towards the future," his "multicultural global outlook, his global appeal". Love for his country? We shall see.
We know he loves his family. That I won't argue with, but other things you wrote, yes. I'm not sure he has the gumption to do it all.
Give me......... sm
a big old bowl of mustard greens with fat back, fried salt pork, baked sweet taters, fried hot water cornbread and a tall glass of cold buttermilk topped of by a big old slice of chocolate pie any day! I got a good case of gastric distress just reading that menu!!!
Give me one that was NOT! ! !
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No, you just give them, they take and ask for more.
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give me an example
And don't list penis & breast enhancement ads. These have nothing to do with atheism. I want to know when you have been watching a religious program and had an ad for atheism show up, & what the ad was about.
How are your rights being taken away? Before you answer, make sure that the "right" you list is NOT one that infringes on the rights of others. Give me some legitimate, concrete examples.
I can't give.......
this package an A. It is so complicated and I am getting mixed messages all over the place. We have to wrap Iraq up (that'll save us $12 billion a month) - don't know how they'll accomplish that and then there's Afghanistan, what a mess. They have to do something and they have to do it now. We have witnessed how the "free market" will take care of it - it won't. I am disgusted and disappointed with Congress. The longer this freefall continues, the longer it will be before the banks can extend credit. And, I agree with Obama, cap the CEOs salaries as long as they are accepting taxpayers money. STOPPING spending is what everyone is doing right now.....and the freefall continues. Spending to stimulate the economy seems to be our only option right now. This country has so may ills - it can't be boiled down to a couple of paragraphs.
GIve em' he!! Mrs. B!!!
   
That is very big of you to give your
your permission for differing opinions from your own.
GIVE Act
Link below
I don't like it when they give
military information either. I also cringe when I see documentaries on how our weapons are made and what they do. Nothing like giving the enemy a play by play on what we are doing and how our weapons are supposed to work.
As far as I am concerned, we don't need to know every little thing like that. It puts us at a disadvantage and I personally feel it endangers our troops just throwing out information like that.
I will give you this....
I'm sure that there were some folks there that were there basically because they hate Obama. But you cannot stereotype everyone into that group. I, for one, don't hate Obama. I wasn't there trying to have him impeached for being black....okay. It amazes me that you people tell conservatives to be openminded, at the same time you can be some of the most closed minded of all of us. You want us to see things from your point of view and yet at the same time spit on our point of view.
We are called racist and unpatriotic for disagreeing with our current president and yet it was quite okay to disagree with Bush. You want to cry and whine about how this is about Obama and how we hate Obama and yet you say nothing of the black people who voted for Obama merely because he was black.....or about the black people who continue to support him merely because he is black. If you want to throw up the race card, by all mean do it but please report the racism from all sides. I'm not saying all black people voted for Obama for that reason.....but some did. I'm sure some white people didn't vote him for because he is black.....but that isn't the reason for all of us. You can't use racism as a cop out for everything here.
If the tea parties were truly about hating Obama and all brought about by racism....then by all means we have a right to be ridiculed because that would be a wrong reason to protest and would show how bigotted we are. However, that WAS NOT the reason behind the tea parties. It wasn't even about Obama entirely. It was about GOVERNMENT and that includes the president, pubs, and crats as well as any independent that might be in there if there are any.
It amazes me that liberal groups can protest and be physical with people in their protests and spray paint graffiti and that is okay but when concerned Americans get together in protest where there is no violence and no destruction of public or private property.....you all scream and call us hate mongers.....are you kidding me?
There may not have been many black people in the crowd but there were some out there. I don't recall seeing any burning crosses. There were no Obama effigies hung from a rope....although I do recall one of Sarah Palin being hung during the campaign at someone's house during Halloween and I guess that was okay, huh?
Double standards and the race card.....I'm sick sick sick of it.
I give up
You don't get what I just said. The money was used for something else whether is was supposed to be or not. Check the history. The money was "borrowed" for other purposes. I also acknowledged that it is paid by current workers and that the benefit is determined by what you earned and not what you paid in, but what you earned would be very tied to what you paid in. The more you earned, the more you paid. I will say one last time this system was supposed to be a savings acct for retirement. No, my own actual dollars would not be paid to me, but if I paid in, I should be paid out. The govt had no right to squander that surplus thus leaving the system unable to provide for those citizens who worked hard, paid in and who trusted them with the money. Most seniors could have done a lot better putting their own dollars in their own bank rather than having the govt do their investing for them. That is all this boils down to whether you wish to acknowledge it not. I am done and gone.
I don't think you give Bush
Although I totally agree with EVERYTHING you said, I'm sure that Bush will find a way to keep all the kids of his rich "base" out of combat, the same way he was kept out of combat by his rich dad. Maybe if Dubya had the GUTS to see some combat action on his own, he'd think twice before sending our children out to die for a bogus war that he needs because he feels that no president could be considered truly successful without one military "win" under his belt.
He said this in 1999, TWO YEARS before 9/11:
"My father had all this political capital built up when he drove the Iraqis out of Kuwait and he wasted it." He went on, 'If I have a chance to invade…, if I had that much capital, I'm not going to waste it. I'm going to get everything passed that I want to get passed and I'm going to have a successful presidency.'"
He's beyond moronic. What kind of SUBHUMANOID USES 9/11 and all its victims as an EXCUSE to do what he's wanted to do all along?
And yes, you'd better believe there's going to be a draft. I have 2 reasons for believing that.
1. Because, as you said, we can't meet recruitment quotas because our bright young people are opening their eyes and aren't willing to die in an unnecessary war for a government that does nothing but lie; and
2. Read my lips: BECAUSE HE PROMISED THERE WOULDN'T BE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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