Well, they already made him give back Hamas' money.
Posted By: sam on 2008-10-06
In Reply to: MSNBC just stated that the FEC is is going to audit (sm) - Backwards typist
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I actually made more money in the 90s
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FED money give away
Read a report that the FED was just recently found to have given 2 trillion dollars away to someone for some reason. They wont say why or who but it is OUR money. Nice that they do not have to answer to anyone. Obama is putting lobbyists in his administration even when he said he would NOT and just about every person that he picks are tax evaders but they get away with it basically. The media doesnt even bother to report on the detention centers that they are wanting to build in our country to have in case there is a martial law and they never even broach the subject of the civilian military that O wants to start. O supporters can flame me and try to tell me that this is because there is no truth to it. PLEASE. When will you guys stop allowing yourselves to be fed like a bunch of babies by the media and O? COME ON. It's like you guys dont have eyes in your heads! THANKS. You guys wanted change so badly you were willing to jump at the first thing that sounded good. America is going to be so changed for the worst, I doubt it will ever be the same again and all of you who voted this fool in will be responsible for allowing it to happen. I am voicing my opinion now because I feel that in the very near future, I wont be allowed to.
Right on! If we workers made more money, we'd
Yea, keep it in your pants and give that money to
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Why don't you give your time & money to the
She's obviously living your idea of the Model Life.
What a fine, upstanding woman that Nadya is. She's a real beacon of inspiration to the rest of us to 'go forth and propagate.'
You people are too blinded by your own sense of self-worth to ever be of any worth to anybody else.
Get a job. Put a low-income student through college. Pay some single mother's rent or buy some groceries for her kids. Go help out in an underdeveloped (and over-populated) 3rd-world country. Read books other than the bible. You might actually learn something of value that can be put to use in the real world, not the fantasy-world you live in.
Good point. We give money because we want to.
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If you are going to give money to re-educate the auto workers....... sm
then it would follow that money should be given to sustain and re-educate the people in other industries (MT comes to mind) that are suffering because of big suit mismanagement and jobs going overseas. What about the thousands upon thousands of other displaced workers in the public sector that have lost their jobs? Will they need to be re-educated as well? Will there be jobs available to them, even if they are re-educated?
Maybe that's what all those re-education centers all over America are for. hmmmmmmm
Yeah, lets give our money away and make our
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Let's give it all back to the Republicans....
Seriously......let them clean this mess up. Obama will get nowhere and they will just tar and feather him. He doesn't deserve it. He wanted more for this country. Evidently, the big corporations and the rich deserve all the breaks. Let them eat cake. When it hits the fan.......they won't be able to leave their houses......The general pop is not so enamored with the wealthy anymore.....they are FED UP.
Do you think it was Bush's money that paid his trips back and forth?
No - it was our taxpayer money that paid for all those trips to the ranch and to Camp David. That is one of the perks of being President - you get to travel with 100s of people wherever you go.
All the reports clearly said that President Obama and Michelle paid for their own theater tickets and their own meals - it was just the expense of travel that is the issue.
Give it up, B. Come on out of the cesspool back to the clean air! NM
The rich DO give back... Your problem...
is that you take one example of something and make sweeping generalizations about the entire group. Barbara Streisand sits around telling the rest of us to hang our clothes on the line, while she consumes 10x what the average family consumes in her many homes and automobiles, and I bet hasn't hung something on a line in 50 years. There are people who do selfish crappy things all over the political spectrum, but you use examples to pain an entire political party, and it's wrong.
If we give up all this money now and do NOT demand full disclosure/accountability to these foul thie
despite all the duplicity in the banking crisis, are STILL in corporate positions, then we have just thrown good money after bad and our whole system will go down faster. These guys do not even know what accountability means, and someone has to TEACH THEM, if not, be replaced, no more hand-outs, and face stiff fines for misappropriation of tax payer's money/government funds. We need to act fast, but not BLINDLY AND RASHLY!!
AIG Employees Starting to Give Back Bonuses
WASHINGTON -- The chief executive officer of failed insurance conglomerate AIG told lawmakers Wednesday that he has asked executives to give back at least half of their bonuses.
Edward Libby, chairman and CEO of the American International Group, said that some workers there already have volunteered to return the money.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/18/aig-chairman-faces-congressional-grilling-bonuses/
She was vetted several months ago, back when she made his short list.
Don't think they returned any from Hamas. nm
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And Hamas? Are they innocents? - sm
Heard one of the leaders of Hamas today state that they will never accept a peace agreement with Israel - that the "occupation" must stop. Occupation, occupation! Excuse me but didn't Israel win the war? And why not accept a peace agreement, better than doing what they are doing, what THEY are doing to their own people. How about all the buses, restaurants, etc. in Israel that have been blown up with innocent people and children in them? It is time for everyone perpetuating this hatred to give it up and try peace for a change. Hamas is a hate-filled bunch of terrorists and radicals.
Maybe your beloved Hamas SHOULD put God in it.
Then they might stand a chance.
As it is, they're on the way to defeat. (And good riddance to 'em.)
Printing money we dont have? Borrowing money
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Yeah, Hamas has already endorsed him...
and he had to give their money back.
How many Hamas do you supposed they killed
when they bombed the women's dormitory at the University? Explain to me what threat the five Ba'lousheh sisters, ages 17, 14, 8, 4 and 2 and residents of Jabalya refugee camp, posed to Israel? All five were buried today. It is not enough for Israel cripple and starve the refugees with its ongoing strangling blockade of food, supplies and medicine and turn Gaza and he West Bank into one huge armed prison camp. These blood thirsty barbarians will not rest until they have satisfied their appetites with their latest fix of Arab slaughter. After all, it's already been 2 long years since Lebanon....way too long for the more ravenous among them to endure.
Hamas was democratically elected by
the Palestinian National Authority and has won many local elections in Gaza, Qalqila and Nablus. The hold 72 of the 136 seats in the Palestinian Parliament, having unseated the former Fatah ruling party. Apparently, the Palestinian people do not agree with O.
He will have quite a dilemma on his hands reconciling this rhetoric with what democracy looks like in the Middle East, so let the games begin.
Hamas live in Gaza.
That makes them civilians, too, the same way our elected officials are also citizens and live in their respective states. If living in their own houses in their own neighborhoods is "hiding," then that statement is accurate.
HAMAS is a terrorist group
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Yeah, and Hamas weapons also
they can sneak in through their tunnels from Iran, and I think we know the technololgy from Iran is a little more sophisticated than you are admitting. Not to mention the fact that they are embedding themselves into the civilian population in Gaza thereby holding them as hostages and using them for the rest of the world to say the very things you are saying. It sounds to me like you are so disgusted with the US, you may consider leaving and joining the Hamas yourself since they are so great in your eyes.
Yes, and Hamas once again broke the peace.
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Those "schools" are also where Hamas hides and
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There was a truce. Hamas broke it and sent
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Yeah, right. Hamas squelches any opposition, so you can't
really call their elections democracy in action.
Yeah, right. Hamas squelches any opposition, so you can't
really call their elections democracy in action.
Baloney. Israel is targeting Hamas, who are
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How many Hamas in UNRWA, media buildings?
Israel's national security is threatened by "symbols of power," ie reporters and aid workers? Just one more US-backed pack of war crimes based on lies.
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/articles/2009/01/03/hammond_top-5-lies-about-israels-assault-on-gaza.html
Refer to article for details.
Lie #1) Israel is only targeting legitimate military sites and is seeking to protect innocent lives. Israel never targets civilians.
Lie #2) Hamas violated the cease-fire. The Israeli bombardment is a response to Palestinian rocket fire and is designed to end such rocket attacks.
Lie #3) Hamas is using human shields, a war crime.
Lie #4) Arab nations have not condemned Israel’s actions because they understand Israel’s justification for its assault.
Lie #5) Israel is not responsible for civilian deaths because it warned the Palestinians of Gaza to flee areas that might be targeted.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%932009_Israel%E2%80%93Gaza_conflict
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/civilian-casualties-human-rights-groups-accuse-israelis-of-war-crimes-1366727.html
Palestinian fatalities: 1055, 670 of which are civilians, more than 300 children.
Israel fatalities: 13, 3 civilians, 10 soldiers, 4 BY FRIENDLY FIRE.
Palestinian injuries: 4560, over 1500 children.
Israel wounded: 178, 120 soldiers and 58 civilians.
IDF forces: 176,500 who accumulated 2360 air strikes BEFORE the ground assault.
Hamas militia: 20,000 total
How many Hamas in UNRWA, media buildings?
Israel's national security is threatened by "symbols of power," ie reporters and aid workers? Just one more US-backed pack of war crimes based on lies.
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/articles/2009/01/03/hammond_top-5-lies-about-israels-assault-on-gaza.html
Refer to article for details.
Lie #1) Israel is only targeting legitimate military sites and is seeking to protect innocent lives. Israel never targets civilians.
Lie #2) Hamas violated the cease-fire. The Israeli bombardment is a response to Palestinian rocket fire and is designed to end such rocket attacks.
Lie #3) Hamas is using human shields, a war crime.
Lie #4) Arab nations have not condemned Israel’s actions because they understand Israel’s justification for its assault.
Lie #5) Israel is not responsible for civilian deaths because it warned the Palestinians of Gaza to flee areas that might be targeted.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%932009_Israel%E2%80%93Gaza_conflict
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/civilian-casualties-human-rights-groups-accuse-israelis-of-war-crimes-1366727.html
Palestinian fatalities: 1055, 670 of which are civilians, more than 300 children.
Israel fatalities: 13, 3 civilians, 10 soldiers, 4 BY FRIENDLY FIRE.
Palestinian injuries: 4560, over 1500 children.
Israel wounded: 178, 120 soldiers and 58 civilians.
IDF forces: 176,500 who accumulated 2360 air strikes BEFORE the ground assault.
Hamas militia: 20,000 total
Good. Hope Israel can destroy HAMAS.
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It takes money to make money. nm
So.....3000-4000 rockets lobbed by Hamas into Israel...sm
in the last year, what about that? Does that bother you in the slightest?
Or in your twisted view of the world, please explain why that is A-0kay in your book.
Are you suggesting Hamas has 1017-mile-long tunnels?
Do you hear yourself? You are regurgitating more propaganda from US media sources, which act as mouthpieces of the US, AIPAC, and Israel policies. Do you understand how one-sided US news coverage really is? The only smuggling of any significance going on is between Gaza and Egypt and, for the most part, the contraband is food, clothing, medicine, fuel and cash, which they have been cut off from for the past 18 months due to Israel's blockade. If there is weapon smuggling, the majority of it would be coming from the Muslim Brotherhood who is not exactly able to engage in such activities openly since they are repressed by the Egyptian government and are not even allowed to run for office as a legitimate political party, are subjected to mass arrests, etc.
The Brotherhood is a Sunni organization and does not even operate in Iran, whose relations with Egypt are pretty icy, to say the least. These factors make high-level, successful arms smuggling connected to Iran difficult at best and fairly unlikely. It should come as no surprise that Iran is entirely supportive of Palestine, but the way US depicts the relationship between Iran and other Islamic political parties is highly exaggerated and often inaccurate.
In any case, the weapons that have been able to be smuggled in quite OBVIOUSLY do not measure up to the caliber of weapons Israel has been able to amass with US financial backing and direct arms provisions. Take a long look at the list I put in the other post. Israel is able to conduct its wars FROM OUTER SPACE.
If Hamas had such weaponry, we would not have a 125:1 fatality ratio between the two sides, would we now? I hate to break this to you, but Iranians DO NOT imbed themselves in Gaza. You really need to educate yourself on the difference between an Arab and a Persian, when and how they support each other and where they draw their lines.
BTW, no place in any of my posts have you seen me say I think Hamas is "so great." In fact, I support secular social democratic parties in the Middle East, including Iran. I simply view the area's politics from a different standpoint than most Americans because I have had occasion to live there, to work with refugees, to marry into a Moslem family and to befriend man Iranians, Iraqis Jordanians, Syrians, Turks, Lebanese, Palestinians and even a couple of liberal Israelis over the last 40 years.
Charging is not spending money...it is spending someone elses money!
When you are debt free (as we are) THEN you spend money...anything else is just going into debt. I highly doubt he pays cash for anything.
get on back, neocon, get on back
Tell ya what, sweetheart, last I checked this is the LIBERAL BOARD and I havent been banned, as I dont break the rules, so I can stay as long as I want..Seems to me, conservative, you are the one who should mosey on by and get back to drink more Kook-Aid.
No. "Evil" is Saddam. "Evil" is Hamas.
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money was cut due to war
I have compassion for those affected by Katrina. It is Bush and his ilk that I have no compassion for. This article states that the money was cut in 2003 due to the war. That is why I posted it. Money has been cut to the states since Bush's war, we are strapped in many ways in America due to Bush's war. Open you eyes and see your president for what he is..a jerk, a low IQ imbecile, and for what he has done to America due to his war.
Money.........
Well, if they don't have money for birth control, they sure as shoot don't have it for a baby BUT in my neck of the woods, there are LOTS of illegitimate babies, mostly by mothers who started at 12, 13, 14 and by high school, had 2 or more. They even sit in school and brag about getting a bigger paycheck because they are pregnant again. Now, really, does that sound like someone who is interested in birth control in the first place? Some of these girls who get pregnant at 12 or 13 don't even think birth control. They usually get talked into sex by a guy several years older than them in the first place, and he is a loser anyway, and usually has fathered several babies already anyhow. And, belive me, most of these girls because of community experiences, already know where the clinics are and they can get there. They sure as heck don't have a problem getting there for all the free healthcare their child gets, usually in the ER on Friday and Saturday night because they are too lazy to get to the clinic through the week. Planned Parenthood isn't doing anything positive for them.
No, I would rather the money be used for ..sm
necessities for Alaska instead of asking the lower 48+1 to subsidize them.
The money that has gone to the war...
has been appropriated for that specific purpose. It was not just lying around waiting to be spent, so there is no reason to believe that if the war were not going on that amount of money would be spent elsewhere. That is not how the government works.
If the government did not help these institutions out, it would destabilize the economy which could trickle down to our banks and what little money we have in them. At least they learned from the fannie/freddie fiasco...when they gave the loan to AIG they kicked the top folks who ran it out, with no golden parachute and will oversee it...and in this case, finally...since it is a loan...if they stay solvent and pay it back the interest will benefit us all as it will go back into the coffers with the principal.
Exactly the kind of thing McCain has been talking about for years. Glad Bush finally listened.
yes, you can if it is your money..
I have done it already.
Sure there are.......you want all your money given as
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Of course you would....it's not your money
You'd be screaming a different tune. Even those without it have better sense than to believe this is a terrible thing. The more he makes, the more people he can hire. So clueless and bitter
No, that's not where he's getting his money
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I don't think money should be taken from those
who make more AT ALL. I think there should be a tax PERCENTAGE and it is based on income so it is even across the board. I don't think those who make $200,000 should have a higher percentage than those who make $30,000. There is enough crap out there that doesn't need funding that can go to those who HONESTLY need help.
Those who HONESTLY need help are those who are trying to do something to get out of the whole and can't. Not those who go and buy a house that is way out of their price range, or who pop out 7 or 8 kids just to get food stamps. Not those who live in section 8 government housing for $60 a month and then buy a brand new BMW in someone elses name because they make money selling drugs or working under the table and not reporting it.
I said it is based on grades ALSO. Meaning it is based on both income and grades. Which means if I don't TRY and keep my grades up no matter how little money I make, I'm not going to receive it. That's the difference. No one seems to want to TRY anymore. Everyone just wants more, more, more, and they are doing less, less, less.
My argument is that those who do well for themselves should not have to pay for those who don't give a hoot and don't try to do well for themselves and just sit back and try to let daddy government take care of them.
Where did all that money come from?
Scam after scam keeps coming out. Phony donators sending money with prepaid credit cards that can't be traced. Gee, wonder where the money is coming from ? He is not honest or truthful about anything, and so many people trusting him with their future...sad.
With all the money that
Barrack Obama raised for his campaign.....I wonder who he owes now? I mean....surely some of these people who gave a bunch of money want something in return. Are there promises Obama has promised to keep to individuals who gave him money that we don't know about? This is one reason why I hate political parties. The DNC raised all that money and you have some serious extreme left psychos who gives money and then they want something in return. Does this make Barrack Obama the democratic party puppet now? How does that work?
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