You were not being attacked, you ideas are
Posted By: - on 2005-09-10
In Reply to: the true me - gt
You don't debate, you scream and holler and fling insults and names.
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best ideas
Hey, i get some of my best ideas when I am "smoked into a frenzy." Sounds like fun.
Your ideas
Any idea for change is better than what we have now. I think your idea for registration is a good one. Most people have a a birth certificate, driver's license and social security card. If, as you said, registration was done at a central place and all 3 documents had to be presented it would do away with voter registration fraud. Going back to paper ballots might not be a bad idea too.
No, because they don't have any ideas. Just want to
It is sad that grown, supposedly adults, just want to come here and slam any and all suggestions.
I guess they wish for another 8 years of the downward spiral that Bush led is into.
It is very easy to point out others' faults and issue warning Subject line zingers, but not one person who has done this has come up with a viable alternative.
We'd have to ban you, too. Or are any ideas
Get a grip and go back and learn what this country was founded on. You obviously have ZERO idea.
You attacked me
don't put on the who me? me innocent face either. You always attack and are at the very least condescending. You wished me dead when you asked me to drink N.O. water....don't play all innocent, because it's there for all to see.
You were never attacked
you are the attacker gt. You have no spine. You are a sick individual.
Yes, I have attacked you.
The mean comments I made were how I genuinely felt, though. I sincerely feel there are mental issues that play into some of the postings I see. And I did feel as though someone had ------ on me at one point. That is how it felt, honestly. And I won't go into it beyond that.
That said, just because I felt desecrated and that there were mental issues affecting some people's judgment doesn't mean I had to make fun or allude to these conclusions. That was in poor taste.
We will most likely be attacked again...
it is just a matter of time. Someone will have to test the new administration to see what they will do. I predict they will fold and implode. Not looking forward to it but the people have spoken. All we can do is sit back and watch and wait.
Because we have not been attacked since!
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Before I get attacked...
it is called Special Order 40.
No, we would have been attacked just the same.
However, as we all would have been in a coma from listing to Algore's speeches, we just would not have known it. Mass anesthesia.
They attacked him
because he said Barbara came up to him when he in fact went up to her. OMG! Down with Beck. He should be hung at high noon.
Seriously....aren't there more important issues than this crap?
As for his answer when they asked him if he checked his facts out and he said no, he was answering the question of whether he was a journalist and he said no he wasn't....he is a commentator. All those women talk at once and he was still answering one question when Barbara asked him another.
That show is so pointless to watch. It has like one conservative person on the whole thing and the rest of liberal loons who attack all who lean conservative. I really don't know how Elisabeth Hasselbeck...or whatever her name is.....stands to be on that show.
prehistoric ideas
What, dear neocon, was wrong in my statement? Not a thing..but, of course, you and your attack dogs have a certain way of disputing reality and truth, you say the same thing over and over and over and over and then attack the poster/author/lecturer, instead of dealing with the facts. Nothing in my post was wrong, nothing. I think you need to go back to the prehistoric age, where your ideas and beliefs are still stuck. Nothing in this country has ever gotten done due to staying the same and being afraid to move on and progress. Everything has gotten done in the country by progressives, people who realize with life and time, you must move on and change with the times and rethink things and adjust to the reality of the day and time. Hey..what..hmm..oh, I think your dinosaur is growling for you, better go get him and ride back to prehistoric times..bye..bye.., sweetie..
Where are you getting these erroneous ideas?
Especially about the taxation? Obama's tax plan is going to be of bigger benefit to me and everyone I know than McCain's ever could be.
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Decisions vs ideas.
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Even the worst of ideas
and plans that don't and won't work can be presented eloquently and there certainly will be people dumb enough to believe that those ideas and plan will actually work. This is all a bunch of fluff to get elected. Obama does give hope....it is called FALSE HOPE!
NOBAMA!!!!
Good ideas, especially #2.
The "parties" are the problems. I would also see that spending billions on crappy TV ads by the candidates wasn't done. Instead of the ridiculous debates, how about FREE TV time where ALL qualified candidates could stand before the PEOPLE and present their agenda for change in words of 1 syllable so the PEOPLE would know where they stood. No canned and doctored "questions."
I would have a weekly address to the PEOPLE and the Speaker of the House and what's the head of the Senate called, forget right now, would stand beside me and give account TO THE PEOPLE of what they had accomplished during the week.
Here's my not so genius ideas...LOL
First of all (even though I do believe in unions) the auto unions needs to work with them on this one. They can't afford to re-tool and pay high wages at the same time. At least some people who would be laid off during this time of transition could find jobs in the transition process itself. They need to simply quit producing and selling SUVs and gas guzzlers to the general public. They would have to continue to make available some things like trucks for businesses. Start making electric cars for general consumption as well as fuel efficient cars. Lower the price of cars as much as possible to undercut imports or, like you said, just stop importing them. Then we can start on the Pickens plan of using natural gas for larger vehicles.
I'm sure Obama will be calling soon for my adivse. 
You do have some good ideas
Although reading I'm thinking isn't this a little drastic? :-), but I do see your point and agree with you. This is what I would do...my brainstorming and I think it is reasonable (well maybe just some of it is reasonable)
1. Cut all politicians salaries by 25%.
2. Cut sports players and hollywood people in movies/shows by 25%.
3. All the weathiest people, lets say those who have income of half a million or more tax them at a rate of say 40% (sort of like when Bill Clinton was president but instead of taxing the middle income that outrageous tax he did, we would tax the wealthiest instead).
4. All CEO/execs of companies get a 25% salary cut.
5. Any company that is found spending bail out money on lavish parties, spas, etc, a return of the money immediatly, the company dismantled and the execs thrown in jail.
On a personal level (people like you and me). Every one should have some type of garden to be able to grow food. Our founding fathers were farmers. Why? They had to eat. Take some of the dependence off the stores (only for stuff you really can't grow or make).
Get rid of Apple computer and downsize Microsoft. Do we really need IPods and IPhones. I have a portable CD player (I bought 6 years ago) with earphones and I can hear my music just fine with that. This downloading music or whatever is just a big gimmick. I also have a cell phone I bought at radioshack and I can talk to people just fine on that. What's up with "texting". If I want to text I come home and use the computer.
Get rid of a lot of autos. Half of them are not being bought. Horse and buggy worked very well in the past and could work again too. But if you don't do that, then anyone driving around with their music playing so loud it rattles the dishes inside of the house as it passes - those people should be fined big time!
Better yet instead of cutting politician salaries by 25% do away with them. Have a representive from your own state but get rid of the whole DC congress thing. Politicians should also only be allowed one term. No 2, 3, 4 or 5 year terms. If the politicians don't work for the people they need to be fired. No more career politicians.
Every person in America should know how to feed, cloth, and protect themselves without dependence on others, and any body caught breaking into someones home should be shot on the spot - no trial. They were breaking in with the intent to steal and possibly injure or kill whowever lives there so the criminal can take what is not his/hers. Take them around the back of a building and immediately put down like the animals they are. Think of all the money we'd save not having to feed and clothe them.
Get rid of some of the TV stations. Do we really need over 400 channels of TV programs? And most of the time I still can't find anything decent to watch. I grew up in the 1960s (when TV's had tubes in the back - to this day whenever something happens to our TV I will still say, maybe there is a bad tube :-) ) But I grew up on 12 channels (except we didn't get channel 8 or 11) and I always found something entertaining to watch and when there wasn't something to watch mom taught us quilting, sewing, canning, knitting or we played a good ol fashion board game of monopoly.
I think there is too much stuff in this world people do not need.
As for taxes...we should pay, but there should be a list available of who is getting what taxes, and like when I give to charity I give to what charity I want to give to and therefore I should be able to decide which organization I want my taxes to go to. And taxes should be a flat rate. That way people who make 20,000 pay the same percentage as people who make 120,000. Unlike people like John and Teresa Kerry who paid only 6% in taxes a few years back while I paid 27%.
As for all that's going on in the country. It is very sad and depressing, but in 4 years none of us are going to care if the Mayan calendar is correct.
She most absolutely was not attacked.
And notice that while I never once denigrated you, nor questioned your abilities, your post to me was one long rant. I think that speaks for itself. Have a nice evening yourself.
Evacuees attacked
I thought Rush might have learned something from his own bad judgments but I guess I was wrong. I actually felt sorry for him for awhile...I would not wish his situation on anyone. But it seems he is back to his Homeless Olympics-type comments - always blame whoever is on the other side of the fence. Now I know where all this rhetoric is coming from...straight from the mouths of the radio right reich.
Right-Wing Attacks American Evacuees: ‘Ingrates,’ ‘Whining,’ ‘Spoiled-Rotten Little Children’
The Bush administration’s evacuation of Americans in Lebanon has been disorganized and lagged behind the efforts of other countries. As of yesterday, only a few thousand had been able to evacuate, and they departed “two days after the first Europeans left on ships.” Denmark, for example, “evacuated more than 4,000 of its citizens” by Thursday.
Conservatives have reacted to this incompetence by attacking the evacuees:
Rush Limbaugh, 7/19:
Even in the eyes of our ingrate, spoiled-rotten little children, brat-type ingrate citizens in Beirut, it’s our fault. (Crying.) “It’s a war zone. It’s a war! How do I get out? (crying) We’re having to shield ourselves from the sun in cardboard.” (sobbing) That’s embarrassing.
Fox anchor Neil Cavuto, 7/20:
The media is playing up a lot of whining, complaining Americans in this country who said there’s been no warning, no communication.
TownHall.com columnist Mike Gallagher, 7/21:
Amazingly, we’re not even going to charge these ungrateful evacuees for the free trip home. … Their sense of outrage and entitlement is slowly but surely becoming the American way. And it’s positively disgusting.
Fox anchor Steve Doocy, 7/19:
Shockingly, after they’ve been plucked out of Beirut, a lot of them are whining and complaining that, you know what, I had to sleep on the concrete and they didn’t have any food for me to eat.
Watch Fox & Friends (a Fox correspondent in Cyprus disputes Doocy’s account, describing the evacuation conditions as “really chaotic”):
At least we haven't been attacked
again on our soil....if tricky Billy Clinton did HIS job while in office, Bin Laden would have been taken care of and 9/11 would have never happened. Happy anniversary to you. Bush is far from perfect but we have been safe at home.
Discussing ideas is antagonistic?
I, personally, have been very respectful. If discussing ideas and having a dialogue with someone is antagonistic to you then I'm afraid you're in for a very difficult road in life.
His website states his ideas and how he
I was undecided until McCain picked Palin. C'mon people - she was the mayor of a town with 9,000 people. God forbid if something should happen to McCain - would you want her to step in. It's Obama for me - I've always liked Joe Biden - he doesn't think he's above everyone else and even commutes to and from work like us "normal" folk.
I have some ideas about auto bailout
Let the oil companies bail them out since they directly benefited from some of the bad management decisions.
Don't bail out the companies. Give the money to the workers for re-education, etc., while the auto companies restructure.
My first suggestion was a little cynical, but I'm not sure why the second hasn't occurred to anyone. ...
not questioning your ideas or beliefs -
I am just wondering how is that? Are you and your husband both American? I am just being nosy and I guess you don't have to answer me if you don't want to... just curious how that happened or how it works and if it was something you chose.
Please share your ideas for economic
What do you think would be the best course of action?
Here, some party sign ideas
Tea Party Sign Ideas
* We The People ARE FED UP
* Cap and Trade = Broke and Poor
* I would rather live under a bridge than live under socialism
* One Bad Ass Mistake America
* Revolution! Nuff said
* The sleeping giant is now awake
* Is this what you voted for?
* Government is Broken
* FAIR TAX
* RIP America
* I’m sorry I didn’t do more to stop the madness
* Tea is only the beginning
* Do you know what happened after 1773? We Do
* We don’t want pork, We Want Liberty
* Special Interests Get the Pork, We Get the Beans.
* Pay for Your OWN Mortgage
* Free Markets, Not Free Loaders
* No Public Money for Private Failure
* Reward Responsibility, Not Irresponsibility
* Andrew Jackson was Right: No to Bank Nationalization
* Cut Taxes, Not Deals
* Next Time, Read the Bill Before You Sign It
* You Can’t Borrow to Prosperity
* Don’t Mortgage the Future
* Solve Problems, Don’t Sweep Them Under the Table
* 220 Years to Build the Republic, 1 Month to Destroy It
* Obama has a Crisis of Competence
* Why Should I Pay for YOUR Bad Decisions
* Restore the Republic, Revolt Against Socialism
* Sleep? I’ll Sleep When Conservatives Run Congress
* Netizen Warriors, Not Dependent Whiners
* READ THE BILL NEXT TIME
* No Taxation Without Deliberation
* No Taxation Without Deliberative Representation
* No Spending Without Deliberation
* No Spending Without Deliberative Representation
* Join Our Cause: Restore the Republic
* We Don’t Want No Stinkin Socialism !
* The Very Small List: Things Government Does Well
* REPEAL THE PORK
* REPEAL THE BAILOUT CONGRESS
* We the People…are now owned by the Chinese.
* Atlas will shrug
* Stimulate business, not government
* Honk if I’m paying your mortgage
* You can’t borrow prosperity
* Home ownership is not an entitlement
* I’ll pay for my house, you pay for yours
* Party like it’s 1773
* Proud American capitalist
* Repeal the pork or your bacon is cooked
* Your mortgage is not my problem
* No taxation without deliberation
* Give me liberty or give me debt!
* You can’t spend your way out of debt
* Wake up America, stop the insanity!
* R.I.P. Free market economy
* Save trees, stop printing money
* Don’t tread on me (Gadsden flag or First Navy Jack)
* I want your money (recruiting picture of Uncle Sam)
* Wall Street got a bailout and all I got was the bill
* TARP = $750 Billion
o Stimulus = $870 Billion
o 2009 Deficit = $1.75 Trillion
o U.S. Dollar = WORTHLESS!!
* Just Say No (word “Socialism” with circle and slash)
* Liberty is all the stimulus we need
Quotes:
* “Man is not free unless the government is limited.” Ronald Reagan
* “The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation.” Vladmir Lenin
* “Debt, n. An ingenious substitute for the chain and whip of the slavedriver.” Ambrose Bierce
* “It takes as much imagination to create debt as to create income.” Leonard Orr
* “Debt is the fatal disease of republics, the first thing and the mightiest to undermine governments and corrupt the people.” Wendell Phillips
Fringe or not, he'll get attacked for it...
He is pro-life and doesn't condone prostitution, but he'll take contribution money from them? Huh....seems that he is doing now exactly what he said he wouldn't which was taking contributions from special interest groups.
And he aligned himself with Tucker.
I believe he just put the noose around his own neck. :o)
Sam does discuss issues and gets attacked for it.
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Hey, it is the dems who attacked her from day one, old-timer...
certainly not republicans or independents, and the continue it on this board to this day. If you want the conversation to shift to Obama, leave Palin alone. Just as you guys will defend him, those of us who believe she is a great addition to the ticket will defend her. The Dems have kept her in the news since she was announced, and I am sure she would rather she had not been attacked in such a hateful and personal matter that had nothing to do with the position...but it happened. They hammered her experience, which in turn shined the spotlight on Obama's lack of experience, and hammered on that, even when he asked his minions to stop. They didn't stop. Then they hammered for her to do an interview. She did, and McCain's numbers continue to do well and he has started drawing very close to Obama in many of the swing states. I don't blame Obama for wanting the spotlight off of her. Don't blame him one bit.
Attacked campaign worker
She says she was kicked, beaten, punched and then thrown to the ground. The attacker could have been over her, upside down, when he did the carving.... just a thought to those who doubt the "backwards B."
You just attacked all of the McCain people
in your post, so yes you are a hypocrite. You expect nobody to respond to that? You could have just e-mailed her with that personal post.
my guess is we wouldn't have been attacked at all NM
speculation as is your guess.
So, I have trouble understanding abstract ideas AND
I have no sense of humor. Anybody else?
sorry, it was ''the erroneous ideas'' post.
The link is in the above post, though. Look down toward the bottom, where it says LINK/URL.
Comesin handy when you are fresh out of ideas
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no numbers, ideas, detail or plan......
DailyKosTV has great video from the big announcement of the GOP budget today. The big news is that there really is no GOP budget. No numbers, no ideas, no details, no plan. They are the party of "NO" -- No future:
Better hope we aren't attacked....this man is a sellout
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I didn't see where Shelly has attacked people unless
they attacked her first, and then she tried to explain the first post in simple English.
This is the most I have posted on this board in the last 2 months but I just can't take all attacks against people just because they voted for the pubs. I said it yesterday, and I'll say it again today, STOP THE BASHING. IT DOESN'T GET YOU ANYWHERE. All it causes is hate.
P.S. Mrs. M is the one of the worse on here. I have never seen her post before today or yesterday (didn't look at the dates). I think she's just trying to stir the pot.
Palin was unfairly personally attacked by the really
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N. Korea Threatens to Hurt US if Attacked
This guy is really nuts! Just because he has 1M foot soldiers, he thinks he can do what he wants.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,528057,00.html
Any ideas on how paying down too much debt could be a terrorist threat?nm
Truth hurts, don't it? Hey, whenever attacked, call someone a liar.
Sez a lot about you.
Murtha Attacked by the Right for Quote Falsely Attributed to Him.
Imagine that. I'm shocked. 
Murtha Attacked by the Right For Quote Falsely Attributed to Him
UPDATE: Multiple ThinkProgress readers report that Gail Bulfin of the Sun-Sentinel admits the paper’s report was inaccurate and says a correction will be printed tomorrow.
The South Florida Sun-Sentinel reported on Sunday that Rep. John Murtha (D-PA) had claimed that the United States is the greatest threat to peace in the world:
American presence in Iraq is more dangerous to world peace than nuclear threats from North Korea or Iran, U.S. Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., said to a crowd of more than 200 in North Miami Saturday afternoon.
Though the Sun-Sentinel never provided a direct quote of Murtha, the story was featured on the Drudge Report and Murtha immediately came under attack from conservative pundits:
Bill O’Reilly, Fox News, 6/26:
Murtha has lost all perspective and did months ago, but his message is firmly entrenched in America’s far-left precincts. … [T]hat kind of extreme thinking, based on little evidence, by the way, is putting all Americans in danger.
Tucker Carlson, MSNBC, 6/26:
What is really going on here, and you know it as well as I, is that Jack Murtha has been intoxicated by the amount of publicity that he has gotten from his anti-war crusade, and he has become progressively more unreasonable, progressively more left-wing as the days go on, and he is in the thrall of people who, I think, have hostility towards the United States.
Newt Gingrich, Fox News, 6/26:
For an American congressman to say that is beyond any acceptable behavior, and I would hope the Congress would move to censure him.
One problem: Murtha apparently never said anything of the sort. What he did was cite a Pew poll released two weeks ago showing that people around the world, including in closely-allied countries like Great Britain, believe the U.S. is the greatest threat to peace.
A statement released by Murtha’s office today quotes an email from Melissa Sanchez of the Miami Herald, who also attended the speech, saying of the purported Murtha “quote”: “That was in reference to international polls. It was not so much his own conjecture, but a conclusion drawn from polls in various countries.” ThinkProgress confirmed with Murtha’s office that the email accurately reflects the views of reporters at the Miami Herald.
Email the Sun-Sentinel’s reader liason Gail Bulfin — gbulfin@sun-sentinel.com — and ask that the paper print a retraction. See update above.
Perhaps he was afraid of being attacked for mixing politics and religion
I don't think it was anything to get uup in arms about - but of course people get up in arms about EVERYTHING this man does - even to having pizza in the White House.
People need to quit grasping at straws and focus on important issues!
She took it personally because she was attacked personally. Plain and simple.
Where did you get your debating skills? On the south side of Chicago in some street gang? Because if you did, it shows.
In a REAL debate, there is no room or tolerance for personal attacks. Yet, that's all you people know how to do. You can't stay on the issue. You MUST attack the poster personally, claiming to know not only what they think and feel but also claiming to know what every liberal ever thought or did, what they're thinking and doing right now and what they will be thinking and doing for the next 1,000 years. In fact, you seem to know everything about anything that ever existed on the planet, exists now or will exist into infinity.
As I (and others) have said repeatedly and you just can't seem to grasp, if you constantly treat people badly, they're not going to want to associate with you. Lurker was very gracious in her posts to all of you on your board, but even she, in the end, couldn't tolerate your continued, nonstop, personal attacks any more (as she indicated in her responses to the attackers). If you ever stop knowing it all and become interested in the proper way of debating someone, you could learn a lot from Lurker. You see, having *thick skin* is only important if you're a thug in a gang somewhere. It's irrelevant when it comes to treating humans like humans, and in that area, you have a lot to learn.
As for me, I like to learn from intelligent, friendly people with different political views, so I visit boards where those kinds of people are found. Not all conservatives are angry, rude, come out swinging and need to personally attack 1,000% of the time. Some of them are actually quite nice and informative, and they can be found on other forums. Too bad they can't be found on MTStars.
Have a pleasant evening. 
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