Hank and George. Consequences of not = economical failure.
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What consequences? That is just it, there are no consequences...
just kill it and move on. There should be some responsibility here. And people wonder why promiscuity, sexually transmitted diseases, girls pregnant at 12 and 13...go ahead dear, there is no right or wrong, you just go out and "express yourself" and if you come home pregnant do not despair...we'll take you right on down to Planned Parenthood and kill that inconvenient baby so that YOUR life is not ruined. It has become an "it's all about me" society. And while there is nothing more selfish than a randy 17-year-old boy...and men deserve a good deal of the blame...not fair to lay all the blame on men. Takes two to tango, and less than 20% of abortions are due to rape or incest. And we constantly hear "it's my body" and "stay out of my uterus.."..one would wish they would be more discerning about that body, that uterus. It would save lives.
Sorry, but you have to think through to the logical consequences.
I'm sorry, but you can't have it just one way. If marijuana is legalized, it's sheer nonsense to imagine it will stop there.
And I assure you that I do care what people consume, and so should you. You must have no conception at all of the enormous costs to society of dependence and addiction (and puhleeze don't tell me marijuana isn't addictive because that train left the station long ago). The fact that we legalize a substance does not make it any less harmful.
Doesn't it seem passing weird to you that the very same people whose political ideology supports the notion of banning ice cream socials in high school, banning corn syrup, and all sorts of bans on smoking cigarettes in not only public but also many private places would support the legalization of marijuana?
Cough that one up.
And inject a healthy dose of reality of the consequences
of sitting on the sidelines and doing nothing. I think there is a lot of truth in the contention that the consumer credit freeze-out by TARP funded banks doing God-knows-what with the money.
George Bush HIMSELF makes it so easy to make fun of George Bush!!!! oh where would I start, so litt
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LOL..bush=failure, but of course!
Ohhhhh....did it bother you one insy winsy, bitsy witsy bit? Hah! GOOD. This will remain as failure equals Bush for quite a while to come. LOLOLOLOL..Great for a laugh actually when all this administration does is elicit cries and murder and war and pain and hate and disrespect and divisiveness..and poverty within the USA and cutting programs as the deficit is so high, the federal govt can no longer reimburse the states for programs so the states have to cut their programs to help those less fortunate than us..Good, let us laugh out loud at the fool in the WH..and if we feel kindly, pray for his soul, cause he aint going to no **heaven** or **summerland** not with his murdering warmonger chickenhawk ways..
The Mortgage Failure......
Check out the mortgage failures.
Tell me which failed more, prime or subprime
Tell me what is the rate of failures under the CRA or even Bush's ADDI (which i attack alll the time)
Once again, REALITY AND THE DATA doesn't fit ya'lls claims.
Basically what happened was.. we reformed bankruptcy laws.. so that people who ran into dire straights could not restructure.
We packaged the loans into commodity derivatives. These are sorta mirror bets on the loans. Sorta..as the same loan will be sold many times in many derivative packages.. that's why the housing derivatives are worth more than all the real estate in the US. Derivatives are actually not that bad.. when a market is stable and only has to deal with natural forces. The housing market was bubbled.. partially due to low interest rates that encouraged everyone to buy, even the rich, and partially due to the CRA and the ADDI.. which did add customers to the market (helping form the bubble was the extent the CRA and the ADDI had in this mess)
All it took was a few failures to pop the bubble..and make real estate prices drop,. and mind you, it was mainly prime loans (READ not loans given to poor people and not loans under the CRA) that failed. The derivative market.,.which like I said, is really mirrors of the same loans.. cause the defaults to explode with ten times the ferocity, because one loan could effect the price of dozens of derivatives.
Really the poor and even irresponsible people .. simply did not have the economic ability to cause this mess. Pool all their money together and waste it on hookers.. it would have zero effect without help from the rich elites and their magnifying packaged derivatives.
THE CRA and ADDI both had stricter requirements than loans you got from normal banks.. both required income data.. where many prime loans did not.. they also greatly limited you on how much home you could purchase..whereas private banks did not care if you tried to buy something you could not afford.
Don't believe me?.. Look in the phone book.. call your own housing authority - you can get a loan for 106% the purchase price of a home even today.. if you're poor enough.
Ask to hear the red tape and hoops you must go through.. Heck, it is probably easier to just get a real job and earn real money than go through the FHA.
Nope I do not wish for failure,but sm
I dont understand why you can't see the writing on the wall!
It's not a smear campaign and it's not a failure
The reality of what Mrs. or should I say Ms., Sheehan is doing speaks for itself. The Swift Boat thing surely didn't get your boy Kerry in the office now did it?
Failure at so many levels on both sides.
I guess I just don't see how placing blame is going to help. And I think it is sad that because Condi is a Republican (and former Democrat), her accomplishments are diminished in the African-American community.
Failure to realize the truth......
Most "liberals" have conservative mindsets. We want our kids to do well in school. We want our streets safe. We want to keep drunk drivers off the road. We follow the laws and pay our taxes. So PLEASE think about it. You stay out of my business and I'll stay out of yours. You stay out of my bedroom and I'll stay out of yours. You are welcome to my church but, I regret, I probably won't like yours. I don't believe in mixing politics with religion. I'll respect your beliefs but please don't try to force them on me and I will honor you with the same respect.
Excuse me? Failure of emergency response
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Only hateful liars would be proud it wasn't a failure.
You're right - due to the slimy, lying, underhanded tactics of the administration and your boy, Bush, the Swift Boat fiasco with Kerry may have had an impact on the election. You sound like you're proud of that. Figures.
Why can't you folks just leave Sheehan alone. Why can't someone be anti-war and speak their mind without you guys going nuts?
You'll think differently when it all comes to pass...O will be a failure and make us
Resounding failure to elicit response to Sambo's slop.
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By George, I think I've got it!!
I watched "The Situation" on MSNBC last night, and I got a pretty good laugh regarding the Bush Administration taking a quote from Bono (of all people), completely twisting what it said to mean something completely different, and running with it.
I believe I'm starting to understand the disconnect between some of the Conservatives on this board and the rest of humanity. They've obviously adopted the George W. Bush way of communicating. I'm not sure if Bush is their hero because of his communication style or whether they personally adopted his technique after the fact. Someone should really enlighten them that just because Bush does it, doesn't make it right, and that that is the very crux of many people's frustrations with Bush: That he lies, and nobody can believe what he says.
Anyway, here's a copy of the transcript from that show.
CARLSON: Next situation, the Bush administration between the rock and a hard place and it‘s all because of rock star Bono. A State Department press release quotes the U2 front man praising President Bush. But apparently, Bono was not so much quoted as misquoted.
According to the State Department, Bono said Bush, quote, “has already doubled and tripled aid to Africa.” But actually, Bono told “Time” magazine, quote, “Bush feels he‘s already doubled and tripled aid to Africa, which he started from too low a place.”
This is such an interesting story on so many levels. Here is the most interesting level, as far as I‘m concerned. The Bush administration feels compelled to twist Bono‘s words. Why do they care what Bono thinks? Bush actually has dramatically elevated aid to Africa to a much higher level than Clinton ever even thought about bringing it.
The United States is the largest donor to Africa far and away. We have no moral obligation to give anything to Africa. We do it because we‘re decent. Isn‘t that enough? The front man from U2 has to approve? Why are they lying about this? It‘s bizarre.
SEVERIN: This is very sad. By the way, Bono has an “r” missing from the end of his name. I just wanted to report that on this program.
Secondly, you know, how can I know what to think about world affairs until Bono and the Edge weigh in? What about the Backstreet Boys? What do they think today? I mean, this is really sad that we care about what “Bonor” thinks about anything.
MADDOW: Well, fine, you can be upset that they quoted Bono. But the fact is, they misquoted Bono.
CARLSON: No, but that makes me more upset. Why are they doing that?
Why do they care?
(CROSSTALK)
MADDOW: ... get out there and say that Bono, who they respect for whatever reason, he‘s actually made himself into a voice on debt issues...
(CROSSTALK)
CARLSON: Well, I‘m sure he‘s a great guy and very smart. I mean, still.
MADDOW: Paul Wolfowitz thought he was worth, you know...
(CROSSTALK)
CARLSON: That‘s right.
MADDOW: ... long phone call before he took the head position at the World Bank.
SEVERIN: I knew we‘d get you to say something nice about Wolfowitz before the year was up.
MADDOW: Exactly. But the fact is, the State Department, like they‘re doing—like the Bush administration is doing on way too many things, just overreach. They not only had to quote Bono, they had to lie about what Bono said. It‘s embarrassing.
CARLSON: But why not just tell the truth about their own record? It‘s compelling enough. It‘s amazing. Here‘s this purportedly mean, right-wing administration sending huge amounts of aid to Africa.
MADDOW: Well, yes, they‘ve promised—they asked for $4 billion for the Millennium Challenge. They‘ve actually spent $4 million. So we‘ve got a difference of opinion on that.
CARLSON: The fact is, in money spent already, they‘ve elevated 56 percent over the final year of the Clinton administration. It‘s a lot of money.
MADDOW: Yes. But you can‘t take credit for more than you‘ve done.
SEVERIN: Yes, but they‘re Republicans. That‘s why.
CARLSON: All right.
Add George Will
to the conservatives willing to say no mccain, no way.
Yes, it's George Clooney's
George Will on Coulter sm
Freudian slip?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5KD8_22K4w
George W. Bush
Why would you say that about our President? Please help me understand.
George Bush
I am counting the days until this person is out of office and pray that our country can withstand the wait.
I have been around a while (let's just put it that way) and in my opinion we have NEVER had a President who has been so bad for our country - and I certainly include Poor Nixon and his few bungling burglars and his silly little lies in that list, along with Clinton and his scandalous behavior, which now in sad retrospect is just par for the course, apparently, among politicians - he has ransacked our Treasury (I don't know if you all remember we had a surplus when he came into office), has totally ruined the reputation of the US around the world, got us into a pointless war with untruths and fabrications causing the death of over 3000 young Americans (so far) and is able to somehow hold his head up and act like nothing is wrong. And is now busily trying to broker a peace settlement in the Middle East to there is something to be said for his 8 lousy years in the White House.
I truly believe he stole the first election with the help of his like-minded buddies on the Supreme Court and the second one by the curious release of the Osama Bin Laden tape shortly before the elections, which I feel prompted some rubes to be too scared to change horses in the middle of the stream (war) and voted to keep him in office. I myself did not vote for him either time and am glad I didn't, even though I am living with the consequences of his presidency; for example paying $4.15 a gallon for gas and seeing the price of groceries rising every time I go into the store (plus I live in Michigan, which is a hard luck state right now to start with).
Frankly, I was shocked when he was reelected; I truly did not believe that our supposedly sophisticated and intelligent electorate would put this man back into office.
The day he hits the dusty trail for Texas will be a happy one for me!
George W. Bush
http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1733748_1733757_1735529,00.html
George W. Bush
By Silvio Berlusconi
There was a genuine atmosphere of trust and goodwill that summer of 2001, when a new era seemed to be upon us, with the Berlin Wall gone and the divisions of the past overcome. I was sharing this thought with President Bush (both of us recently elected to lead our countries) at the closing dinner of the G-8 summit in Genoa in July 2001. Bush led the conversation, talking amiably with Russian President Vladimir Putin, Japanese Premier Junichiro Koizumi, British Prime Minister Tony Blair and German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder. Pearl Harbor, Hiroshima, the tragedies of the Second World War and cold war seemed far away indeed. Bush observed how much the world had changed, and how we could pass on a lasting peace to our children. I remember feeling true happiness inside me. Just two months later the unthinkable happened, and the Sept. 11 attacks would again forever change the world. The battle against terrorism would become the principal preoccupation of the American President and our common international priority.
In the months that followed that immense tragedy, we nonetheless tried to stay focused, aware that justice, freedom and democracy can flourish only if there is security. President Bush knows this well, that a secure world is bound to be a united world, where everyone—and particularly those more fortunate—can and must do their part.
George W. Bush, 61, will be remembered as Commander in Chief, but not only for that. He was above all a President who felt the moral obligation that the leading nation of the free world must carry. My thoughts return again to that G-8 summit, where Italy had brought to the top of the agenda the fate of the world's poorest nations. And Bush was an early and enthusiastic supporter of our initiative to establish a fund for combating endemic illnesses.
One time, Bush told me that it is reasonable to have doubts, but not to have so many doubts that you cannot make a decision. It's up to historians to judge his presidency, but whatever fate history holds for him, I am sure that George W. Bush will be remembered as a leader of ideals, courage and sincerity. Personally, I will always remember him as a friend, a true man who loves his family, understands the meaning of friendship and is grateful toward America's allies around the world.
Berlusconi was elected Prime Minister of Italy for a third time last month
Good ol George
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/bush_tours_america_to_survey
george will, conservative
icon, declares McCain temprament unfit for presidency. You don't get any more conservative than George Will. Meanwhile, Sara P has pictures taken with foreign leaders but absolutely no questions allowed. Photo op.
I think he looks like Curious George.
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George Bush....sm
God bless you, Mr. President.
History will be much kinder to you, when all is known. While I may not agree with everything that has transpired in the past eight years, I do know that you are kind and decent person.
I know you have kept me safe over the past eight years. Nothing the far left can say or do, can take that away from you.
God bless you and yours, and I thank you from the bottom of my heart, for your service to our country.
Have you read ANYthing about George...
one-world government Soros? If you had, you would not be asking the question how he could manipulate world markets. And Obama is in his pocket.
george bush
George W. Bush thinks that God wants him to be president. No arguing with that.
In the words of George W....
So what? Doesn't change the fact that scores of outlets are reporting the same thing....Patrick Fitzgerald, Attorney General and a republican, GOES OUT OF HIS WAY to dampen any speculation about Obama's involvement in this arm of the investigation and had repeatedly stated that Obama is not a subject of the investigation.
Yes, I know that Blago's wife is a real estate broker. You have made nothing clear because you have no valid point...just your usual knee-jerk hateful spin. Like I said earlier, grasping at straws that are not even there.
In the words of George W....
So what? Doesn't change the fact that scores of outlets are reporting the same thing....Patrick Fitzgerald, Attorney General and a republican, GOES OUT OF HIS WAY to dampen any speculation about Obama's involvement in this arm of the investigation and had repeatedly stated that Obama is not a subject of the investigation.
Yes, I know that Blago's wife is a real estate broker. You have made nothing clear because you have no valid point...just your usual knee-jerk hateful spin. Like I said earlier, grasping at straws that are not even there.
This Week with George S. had
Sen. DeMint, Barney Fife, Fred Smith CEO of FedEX (?), and ? (didn't catch his name and am terrible with names anyway) about the stimulus package. Sen. DeMint is against the stimulus because it doesn't do much to help the American people. Fred Smith took a 20% cut in pay to help the company.
So far, Barney has been monopolizing the conversation and arguing with the others. I heard him say that the problem was not regulating the financial institutions....Wait. Wasn't he one that voted AGAINST regulation back when they wanted to put tighter controls on them? He also keeps talking about New Bedford. Isn't that his district? I know he's been fighting for the bank in his district. He seems to have a one track mind. What a jerk!!!....and that's why I call him Barney Fife. He has less sense than the real Barney Fife.
Maybe George should have read
the reports instead of clearing brush in Crawford.
WAS. GEORGE. W. BUSH.
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The madness of King George
Here's another example of King George's *work*
Bush Quietly Says No Need Follow Patriot Act Oversight Measure
White House Says Signing Statement Is Normal and Constitutional
Analysis
By GEORGE SANCHEZ
March 24, 2006 — - When President Bush renewed the revised USA Patriot Act on March 9, Congress added oversight measures intended to keep the federal government from abusing the special terrorism-related powers to search homes and secretly seize documents.
The additional provisions require law enforcement officials to safeguard all Americans' civil liberties and mandate that the Justice Department keep closer track of how often and in what situations the FBI could use the new powers, and that the administration regularly provide the information to Congress.
However, it was not known at the time that the White House added an addendum stating that the president didn't need to adhere to requirements that he inform members of Congress about how the FBI was using the Patriot Act's expanded police powers.
After the bill-signing ceremony, the White House discreetly issued a ''signing statement, an official document in which a president lays out his interpretation of a new law. In the statement, Bush said he did not consider himself bound to tell Congress how the Patriot Act's powers were being used and that, despite the law's requirements, he could withhold the information if he decided that disclosure would ''impair foreign relations, national security, the deliberative process of the executive, or the performance of the executive's constitutional duties.
Presidential Power in Question
In doing so, it appears the president once again cited his constitutional authority to bypass the law under certain circumstances.
For example, after The New York Times reported last year that Bush had authorized the military to conduct electronic surveillance of Americans' international phone calls and e-mails without obtaining warrants, as required by law, the president said his wartime powers gave him the right to ignore the warrant law.
When Congress passed a law forbidding the torture of any detainee in U.S. custody, Bush signed off on it but issued a signing statement declaring that he could bypass the law if he believed using harsh interrogation techniques was necessary to protect national security.
Bush's actions have provoked increased grumbling in Congress from both parties. Lawmakers have pointed out that the Constitution gave the legislative branch the power to write the laws and the executive branch the duty to ''faithfully execute them.
On Thursday Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., the top Democrat on the Judiciary Committee, took issue with Bush's assertion that he could ignore the new provisions of the Patriot Act. He said it represented ''nothing short of a radical effort to manipulate the constitutional separation of powers and evade accountability and responsibility for following the law.
''The president's signing statements are not the law, and Congress should not allow them to be the last word, Leahy said. ''The president's constitutional duty is to faithfully execute the laws as written by Congress, not cherry-pick the laws he decides he wants to follow. Leahy voted against renewing the Patriot Act this year after sponsoring the bill back in 2001.
The White House dismissed Leahy's concerns, saying Bush's signing statement was simply ''very standard language that is ''used consistently with provisions like these where legislation is requiring reports from the executive branch or where disclosure of information is going to be required.
''The signing statement makes clear that the president will faithfully execute the law in a manner that is consistent with the Constitution, said White House spokeswoman Dana Perino. ''The president has welcomed at least seven inspector general reports on the Patriot Act since it was first passed, and there has not been one verified abuse of civil liberties using the Patriot Act.
The Patriot Act's renewal was viewed as a rare victory for the Republican-controlled Congress and the White House. The House of Representatives approved the measure by a vote of 280-138 after the Senate passed the controversial bill 89-10.
Did you see the look on George & Laura's face?sm
You know George bounced off the walls when he got home. There is only one look I found more hilarious, and that was the look on Mike Myer's face when Kanye West made the famous statement George Bush does not care about black people.
Top 10 George Bush Moments
 see link below.
This is how I see George W. - Kind and Gracious
http://forum.mtstars.com/misc/v/11/18048.html
George Bush isn't running....
and there is a democratic congress who has not done squat since we elected them 2 years ago. Are you going to vote a straight Republican congressional ticket or are you by your own description intellectually challenged?
It is a valid question.
Sigh...I just wish George Bush could run again...
He's my HEROE!!!
And I bet you voted for George who got us in this mess.
Hiliary could have handled this. Obama is our only hope. Taxes is the issue people and you know what mccan't will do - give the rich their tax breaks along with corp america, cut funding to states, causing state taxes to go up. Oh yeah, McCann is not working for you, and your support of him is a slap in the face of middle america.
By George you've got it! On election day no...sm
votes will be cast by the names fraudulently registered. The workers are guilty of fraud and their employer of guilty of gross negligence for not verifying.
look up moveon.org & George Soros
That's all you need to know. HUGE BUCKS from them (one in the same, actually).
Then talk to George W. Bush
he has trampled all over the Constitution. Any idjit can see that Obama IS a natural born AMERICAN. I think all the fuss just might be if the radicals can get Obama de-qualified, then Biden would not be the president as he would have been appointed by Obama, thus not legally the VP. What would happen then is the rebel rousers would be calling for another election..............that is if Bush doesn't declare martial law with the news reporting a "new" terrorist group today. This country is in such a mess and perhaps the biggest mess is from some people who want to unelect a president we already elected. Insane AND ridiculous.
Thanking George W. Bush
A man who will quite possibly go down in the record books as THE worst president this country has ever had to endure. Seriously, could one single man make more mistakes and enemies (in just about any area you would choose to look at) than this man (and his VP DC) has made? I would challenge any remaining supporters of this man to list out exactly what it is he has done for our country since he has been in office and what do you think about the way he has left it for us. Thanks, George! It is wild to see people here flaming Barak Obama, a man who faces the most daunting challenge this country has ever faced and a lot of it is due to the poor policies and decision making of the current administration. Still, here sit the cackling minions of hens spiteful and impulsive in their words and manner. Not a great role model for the next generation. I should bring my sons here to understand how NOT to act in a public forum. I will leave you all to scratch and moan. Pathetic and hilarious.
*Before anyone considers flaming me as one of those whacky Democrats or Independents in response to this post, know that my family goes way, way back in this country and I am from a Republican background--not that this should make any difference, whatsoever, but in this particular forum, on this particular site, I felt I should throw it in.
Baloney...George W. did not keep us safe from anything!
He is leaving office with the United States in shambles.
Bumbling George W. Bush
I hope to never see George W. Bush's face or hear his voice again after Tuesday. For the last 8 years, seeing and hearing that bumbling imbecile has made my skin crawl and my blood pressure rise.
Curious George is stupid........
"You people" can go ahead and bang that tired old drum.......it doesn't take a genius to figure out who they were pointing to.
well....you are in the same range as George W. Bush...
whose IQ is 125...and 125-135 is described as "borderline genius." Sooooooo....you and George. Borderline genius. I would venture a guess at who is closer to the border...LOL. Who'd a thunk it? ROFL!
Uh no, actually you're thinking of George Bush
"If you're not with me, you're against me."
And George Bush and Dick Cheney
LOL! Why aren't you upset with King George?
Oh, I forgot. It's the neocon MO to bash the messenger and defend the actor.
http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary_Navigation=Articles&Action=View_Article&Content_ID=227238 Mary Carey to Dine with President Bush By: Chip Baker Posted: 1:15 pm PDT 5-18-2005 LOS ANGELES - Porn star and former gubernatorial candidate Mary Carey will be joining her boss, Kick Ass Pictures president Mark Kulkis, in attending a dinner with President Bush in Washington, D.C. on June 14.
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