He's right, we're all in denial
Posted By: sky on 2008-10-26
In Reply to: Now here's a guy I agree with 100%. - gourdpainter
Proactive old-school people lived in a different world. They were raised with different values, that they learned from the small circle of people around them in their families and communities, prior to a media driven society. They had confidence born of being doers and fixers.
Sadly, they're speaking to a hostile audience, as each generation appears to become more apathetic and helpless. Our values have shifted. We consume and dispose, we don't plan and preserve, or heaven forbid, repair or do without. We spend and do not save. We accept and follow blindly whatever we are told. We question nothing, because then we might have to DO something or change. So much easier to go with the flow, wherever it takes us.
We don't want to see cause and effect. We don't want to see it when we are part of the problem. If the struggle to survive doesn't take up all our time, we're so busy obsessing over our looks and possessions (or that of celebrities) we can't be bothered to notice what's wrong, why its wrong, and what to do about it. Fads and entertainment are all we appear enthused about. We don't know why we're in a war, and we don't really care. We don't know why the bank just sent us more fine print in the mail, we'll just shrug and pay the higher charges, OK, whatever. We don't know why so many things are spiraling out of control, we'll just go back to our TV and assume there's nothing we can do about it.
Sure, it would be great if we could find a hero to fix it all for us. As long as that hero didn't ask us to change. The possibility that you or I could be that hero is just not going to cross our minds. Meanwhile, we'll accept whoever volunteers for the job of running things, and not worry too much about what agendas motivate them.
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Obviously you are so far in denial...
and so set on what you perceive IS the truth and your perception that I do not want to know the truth that you cannot read what is in plain sight. I think that anyone who is not so blinded by hatred can see that if I say I want impeachment so we can ALL indeed know the truth, and somehow you spin THAT into I am terrified at what would come out of those chambers is ludicrous. And the saddest thing about it is that you cannot see how ludicrous it really is.
You should be aiming all this vitriol at this committee holding all these secret meetings instead of holding open hearings. They are the ones who won't impeach. Not MY fault they won't impeach. I WELCOME that. Let's get them all under oath and all this evidence out in the open where we can ALL see it.
Bottom line, anonymous poster....I don't know if he is guilty or not and you don't either. Talk about a a rush to judgment...what ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?? You trampled all over that basic American right didn't you? You have already pronounced him guilty. There is not a shred of fair debate in YOU on this subject. That should be crystal clear to anyone who had the time to go through all this mess.
You know, if in your mind when someone says they want impeachment means they are terrified of the truth, if that makes you feel better and validates your line of thinking on this, so be it.
But if you are really serious about all this endless stuff you keep posting, you should be lobbying your congresspeople to impeach so we can put everyone under oath, both sides, give the accused a fair trial (a basic American right) and to face his accusers, and put this mess behind us once and for all. What about that terrifies YOU??? And what about that terrifies THEM?? You have no answer, I'm sure, in your mind me calling for impeachment and not the endless hearing political exercise, the terrified one. Who's on first? LOL...ridiculous.
You never DID answer my question, and that speaks volumes.
'Nuff said. This is a dead thread, Fred. :)
Denial, denial, denial
It's called living in the Land of Oz. I'm embarrassed for y'all, who are too ignorant to do your own research.
Just pitiful socialists. I hope y'all enjoy making less $ next year in the event Obama wins. Run the numbers for yourself. Better yet, run it by your CPA. Yet, all I ever read here is how much less $ everyone makes literally constantly.
It's all emotion. But funny how there's no emotion about aborting a baby on moment's notice.
Shame, shame.
You are in such denial.
the CHANGE come.
Maybe denial is one of his 57 states.
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no pie for you...just denial...that reminds me of...
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You are so right, and the longer more the denial goes on . . . .
the quicker their extinction. YEA 
Delusions and denial tremendous help
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Denial won't turn those numbers around.
I wouldn't expect too much out of the debate tomorrow either, especially McC caves and makes good on his threat to talk about Ayers. Can you say plunging numbers?
I feel sorry for you. You are so in denial. Better buy this lightbulbs.nm
Denial like this will land you in the same place
GOP needs to come to terms with where it went wrong, starting with a healthy dose of truth, washed down with a gallon of circumspection. Dems BTDT. If you need any pointers, just ask. BTW, it would be helpful for you to try the realize just which party the American people held responsible by taking another look at the election results.
O lovers just living in denial..... he has let them go
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Whoops, I mean the longer their denial . . . .
 but I'm sure my point is made. Now go ahead, Flamers!
And you are so deep in denial a forklift couldn't....
drag you out. Repeat after me: ohhhhbaaaamaaaa.
Gag me is right!!
Denial is where we belong in the face of such lies.
you cannot turn these lies into truth.
I have never in my life seen a group of people in such denial over EVERYTHING!! Get your heads out
You people deny that the dems are responsible for the housing crisis. Do some objective research!! They most certainly DID cause the crisis! You deny that the voter fraud from ACORN is a big deal, and that they are not trying to sway the election to any particular side!!! There were over 200,000 fraudulent votes in Ohio alone!! I was watching on CNN about this (the station that NEVER says anything negative towards liberals), and they were even talking about what a huge problem this is. They showed a ballot with the name of Jimmie Johns. They found the address, and it was Jimmie Johns restaurant - and there are 10s of thousands of ballots like this. And who worked for ACORN? Yup - the people's Messiah Obama. And somehow you all will find a way to minimize this and twist the facts, and probably blame me for telling this to you...
Your deep-seated denial is purely pathlogic and
is very telling about how hard you work to keep yourself insulated from the truth. There is no reason for Palestinians to exaggerate the atrocious fatality figures. Besides that, a survey of multiple new sources both inside and outside the US reveal these figures are amazingly consistent. They are compiled by hospital and (nonpartisan) humanitarian workers and the Red Crescent (the Middle East's equivalent to the Red Cross) which services the entire region, including Israel. The figures are notoriously CONSERVATIVE estimates, reflecting reported deaths and nearly always are later replaced with high numbers once the dust settles on the carnage.
"Their word against ours?" How childish can you get? This statement strongly implies a person who is interested in covering up the truth rather than getting to it. Why would you do that? Who is "ours?" WE are eyewitness to nothing, except a sanitized version of US mainstream media war reporting.
Actually see the bodies? Ever since Viet Nam, we have not had access to those images because the government learned that if you show the carnage, it turns the tide of public opinion against the war.
Be careful what you ask for. I can hook you up with some links.
http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2008/12/29/updated-gaza-massacre-photo-gallery/
http://palestinethinktank.com/2008/12/27/haitham-sabbah-photos-of-the-day/
http://www.ccun.org/Opinion%20Editorials/2009/January/2%20o/Gaza%20Massacre%20in%20Pictures,%20January%202,%202009.htm
About that hiding behind women and children crack/statement which you are parroting from the lying media mouthpieces. Gaza is the 6th most densely populated area in the world. There are 10,792 people per square mile in Gaza. Gaza is an occupied territory which has been blockaded for the past 18 months by Israel. There is no escape. There is no way out. And there is no possible way that Hamas (who live in Gaza and are citizens themselves) can NOT be among the civilian population. Weapons in mosques? Maybe. Maybe not. Where's the proof? This is the claim of the occupier. Sorry, I need convincing.
You're right. Bad guys don't always wear uniforms. Some of them wear suits and hide behind big impressive titles like prime minister, president, chairman and the like.
So jealous, in denial and wrong again OBAMA ROCKS BABY!!!! WE WON YAY!!!! nm
sour grapes
All Bush's fault....good grief....talk about denial...
Fannie and freddie? Ring a bell? BarneyRubble on the finance committee who said (on video) why there is nothing to worry about! Fannie is sound...and even if it wasn't, the government wouldn't bail them out....ROFL. DEMOCRAT. Bush Admin and John McCain in particular years ago telling them a crisis was looming but BarneyRubble and his crew not only did nothing, they encouraged Fannie to loan even more to people who had no prayer of paying it back...with credit rating less than 0. So tell me again how it was Bush's fault...do you realize how silly that makes your post sound? Get real???? COME ON. LOL. Obama is trying...trying what? To turn us into a welfare state for sure? Yup. Throwing us down the slippery slope of socialism? Yup. Not only trying, people like you are helping him. Well, enjoy is all I can say. Glad I didn't vote for him. This is all you folks. :)
I throw it right back at you: Blind, in denial, naive, conservative pub...nm
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You're entitled to your opinion. I guess it depends on what side of the spectrum you're on.nm
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We're not defending Bush we're pointing out the obvious
All you see in your view is Bush, Bush, Bush. Nobody else exists. You have yet to answer any of the questions I posed yesterday. We're not the one obsessing about Bush. I'm sure you'll counter that with I don't owe you any answers! It's really telling that for five or six days this board was mute about the Israel/Lebanon situation. You were too busy posting trash news about Bush like nothing was even happening, but I know that the left has wait for its talking points. You all cannot formulate opinions on your own. You have boilerplates ready to go though. *This is Bush's fault because _____________ but you have to wait on Howard Dean, Bill Clinton, etc. etc. to fill in the blanks for you. It's not just a phenomenon here but with all the left. You can count on at least two days of silence when something unforseen breaks out in the world, because they have to retreat to their bunkers to get their talking points straight, but it will always start with *This is Bush's fault because....
Hey, if they're smoking cigs, they're paying for SCHIP.
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They're too lazy to show patriotism......they're waiting
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So you're not racist but you're most definitely SEXIST and AGEIST!!!
"Someone more in our age group..."
"She should be taking care of her family."
Your true colors are showing, and they're truly ugly.
Just because they're LOSING doesn't mean they're VICTIMS.
What is it with people these days? You think that just because Hamas is getting its fanny handed to it that that magically makes them victims, and we should all weep and throw cash at them?
From the dawn of time, lesser civilizations have fallen to stronger ones.
It's why the human species survived and the neanderthals didn't.
It's why Rome conquered the Celts.
It's why the Barbarians conquered the Western Roman Empire.
It's why the British conquered the American Indians.
It's why the Spanish conquered the Aztecs.
It's why the Muslims conquered Israel the first time. But, since their societal progres seems to have permanently parked in the Stone Age, now Israel is conquering them right back.
Deal with it.
You're right. They're simply not worthy of a reply.
They're not tax breaks....they're tax credits
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I'm snotty, you're rude...we're even....
My dearrrr....not everyone in this country pays taxes. So you are wrong there. Obama said "spread the wealth." From his own mouth. The interview in Canada...economic parity and redistribution. Words from HIS mouth. If you believed those words from his mouth as much as you believed other words from his mouth, you would know he is a socialist. Selective memory is a wonderful thing ain't it??
You're right. They're all wack-jobs... nothing
so they try to make themselves feel important by standing around on street corners with their posters and their dollies.
Most of them are just buffoons, good for nothing other than being laughed at by the rest of us. But the ones that totally lose all reason, and go so far as to shoot people (in a church of all places...) is pretty off the deep end.
You're a liar. GT didn't curse. You're a filthy liar, but you are a gift from God.
God sent you here to as a constant reminder of the kind of person I DON'T want to be and if I ever have a bad day when I feel temporarily stupid, all I have to do is read your posts, and I realize there are those out there who are much worse off than I am and for them it's not temporary.
They're doing to this board what they're trying to do
to the whole country. They're trying to take it over. They want to control which God you believe in, who you love and what you do with your body, be it regarding life or regarding death. If you don't voluntarily agree to turn your free will over to their control, they will hunt you down and nag you to death (since they can't do anything more violent on a message board). It's obvious they are sick, sick people and need major help.
But they ARE like watching a car wreck and are sometimes hard to ignore.
I've thought about it, and for me personally, the very best thing to do is ignore them and for 2 reasons:
1. Ignoring them and not reading their posts makes my visit on this board much more pleasant. I already know I'm not missing anything because there isn't one post on this entire board written by them that has contributed anything of value or intelligence.
2. If we all refuse to read and respond to their posts, they might give up and go find another board to terrorize. I doubt that, though, because they've taken over this board and simply don't have the CLASS to leave. They take pride in their bully on the playground mentality and are proud of their ignorant behavior. They will probably just continue to pat themselves on their backs on this board. The only thing that might startle them and cause them to stop is that the NUMBER of posts on the Liberal board are starting to increase heavily as a direct result of their posting. In the past, they've used the Liberal board's lower numbers to trash us for not being as interesting, when, in fact, the CON board must be pretty boring if they are always choosing to be HERE instead.
Like I said, I've decided that I'd like my visits here to be pleasant, so I'm just going to stop subjecting myself to their cesspools of attacks. They've proven their posts aren't worth wasting time reading, so I'm just going to stop and will feel much better as a result of stopping. 
Your not you're. I hope you're not an MT. nm
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They're children, though. They're not
adults. Mom and Dad need to know these things even if only to possibly prevent problems later.
You're welcome.
If I find anything, I'll be sure to post it, but I doubt he's going to be saying much. I think he understandably wants to distance himself as far away from this administration as he can.
I wish he would run for President. I'd very proudly vote for him in a heartbeat! I'd finally be able to vote for the best candidate instead of the least worst one.
I agree with you, and I admire and respect him very much.
So I take it you're on your
so you don't mind your grandchildren paying their fair share, right?
Bush Tax Cuts = Tax Shifts
UFE Report: Tax Burden Shifting off Wealthy onto Everyone Else
$197 Billion in Tax Cuts to Top 1% of US Taxpayers as Big as States’ Budget Shortfalls of $200 Billion
BOSTON — A new report, entitled “Shifty Tax Cuts: How They Move the Tax Burden off the Rich and onto Everyone Else,” from United for a Fair Economy (UFE) indicates that between 2002 and 2004, the Bush tax cuts to the top 1% of US income earners redirected billions of dollars in revenue that could have eliminated virtually all of the budget shortfalls in the states.
“Congress had the option to send aid to the states to prevent $200 billion worth of service cuts and regressive tax increases,” said Chris Hartman, UFE’s research director. “Instead, they gave tax breaks totaling roughly the same amount to multi-millionaires and the rest of the top 1%.”
The report identifies five main areas of shifting tax burden:
FEDERAL TO STATE — a 15% shift in tax burden between 2000 and 2003
PROGRESSIVE TO REGRESSIVE — at the federal level, a 17% decline in the share of revenue from progressive taxes and a 135% increase in the share of revenue from regressive taxes since 1962
WEALTH TO WORK — A tax cut on unearned income — such as inheritance or investment — of between 31% and 79%, but a tax hike on work income of 25% since 1980
CORPORATIONS TO INDIVIDUALS — a 67% drop in the share of federal revenues contributed by corporations and a 17% rise in individuals’ share
CURRENT TAXPAYERS TO FUTURE GENERATIONS — record deficits that shift the tax burden to our children and grandchildren
“When President Bush and Congress trumpet, ‘Here’s a tax cut', we say, ‘Taxpayer beware!’ said Chuck Collins, United for a Fair Economy co-founder. “Unless you are super-rich, it’s a tax SHIFT, not a cut. Non-wealthy taxpayers will pay for these tax cuts with increased state and local taxes or cuts in public services.”
“Between 2002 and 2004, a full $197 billion in new tax breaks went to the top 1% of American taxpayers,” Hartman commented. “This is money that has disappeared into the pockets of the very wealthy, making it unavailable to solve ongoing budget crises at the state and local levels.”
“I got a rebate check last summer for $400,” said Collins. “Then my eight-year-old’s public school asked me to contribute money to replace worn-out chairs for the students. At the same time, I found out they laid off the librarian because of budget cuts. What good is a $400 tax cut when parents have to cough up additional money for chairs and books or else see their children go without?”
The report concludes that the total federal, state and local tax burden has become increasingly the responsibility of middle-and low-income families in recent decades, and that revenues being generated by taxes are not sufficient to pay for existing public services. Work in particular is being taxed at a higher rate than investment. “I do a lot of work in predominantly Latino areas of Boston,” said UFE Education Specialist Gloribell Mota. “Residents there are the working poor — they have jobs and pay taxes — yet are getting pennies in tax cuts and seeing health care services they depend on slashed.”
“The Bush administration has followed a strategy of starving public services by pulling tax money away from education and housing and giving it away to multi-millionaires,” said Karen Kraut, UFE’s State Tax Partnership director. “States are suffering as a result, and people are going without essential services in order to fund the lifestyles of the rich.”
The report calls for tax reforms to improve the fairness of tax distribution and ensure adequate revenues. Concerned Americans are urged to pass resolutions in their cities and towns to stop the tax cuts and restore local services that have been affected, to call and write their congressional representatives to take action to stop the cuts, and to sign the Tax Fairness Pledge at www.ResponsibleWealth.org/taxpledge.
The co-authors of the report are Chuck Collins, UFE Co-founder; Chris Hartman, UFE Research Director; Karen Kraut, Director of UFE’s State Tax Partnerships; and Gloribell Mota, UFE Education Specialist.
United for a Fair Economy is an independent national non-profit that raises awareness of growing economic inequality.
You're not getting it
if the Attorney POCKETS most of the winnings how are they any better than the greedy corporations? Since you think one is more morally ethical than the other eventhough they may both be doing THE SAME EXACT THING....then the debate has ended as far as I'm concerned.
I never said don't come over there, you're the one
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You're welcome.
Have a great day.
You're welcome.
I didn't know it existed, either, but I think it's a really great site and wanted to pass it on. Some of these guys have said they're afraid to speak the truth and feel they're taking a chance by doing so. 
You're welcome, gt.
You're welcome and you're right.
You're right.
It's clear the ONLY people who have true freedom of speech and freedom of thought in this country are Bush disciples. In addition, they have the freedom to lie to the rest of America.
Don't despair. It won't be long before a Pat Robertsonesque appointee thug of Bush will be seizing my computer, bugging my phone and knocking at my door, ready to lock me up simply because I express my distaste for a President who is incapable of telling the truth to ANYONE IN THE ENTIRE WORLD, as he wraps himself in the Holy Bible and American Flag. His enemies aren't *terrorists.* If they were, I wouldn't be able to get on a plane now with a knife again.
His enemies are Americans who have the audacity to pay attention, think freely and voice their opinions.
My freedom of speech, free thought, expression, religion, ETC. is about to come to a screeching halt very soon.
You'd better hope you continue to obey the master, remain in step and NEVER stray from the flock. Otherwise, the next freedom-ending screech I hear could be YOURS.
Yes, you're right; I'm sure
their eye on me as well! What I find most pitiful is YOUR lack of outrage. Too much Kool-Aid, I guess. What will it take before you see what **King George** has done and continues to do to this country?
Huh? You're not going to believe this.
Or maybe you will...but for me it falls into the category of WHAT THE???????!!!!!!!!
Labored logic
Democrats have been buzzing about comments made by state Sen. Nancy Schaefer (R-Turnerville) at a recent eggs-and-issues breakfast in Hart County. We quote from the Hartwell Sun newspaper: Commenting on illegal immigration, Schaefer said 50 million abortions have been performed in this country, causing a shortage of cheap American labor. 'We could have used those people,' she said.
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/insider/stories/030606.html
You're welcome. sm
I wholeheartedly agree that Lurker's post went straight to the heart of how I feel on so many levels and it took time to put it together.
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You're welcome!
You're welcome. :-) (NM)
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You're right...sm
War was used for lack of a better term - genocide. One day is a long time when you fear for your life and are watching other's die. Nothing made me more upset with Clinton than watching Hotel Rwanda. Quite frankly though, that is an ugly part of history. Darfur is here and now. What do we do, give the UN and Bush a pass?
I know you're not...sm
I said those interested.
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