I'm a tough cookie and don't get offended easily
Posted By: Like a bad nightmare on 2008-08-13
In Reply to: I wish you did too....sm - Can we talk? Correct link
Well I guess you could call it a conflict with myself. On one hand I'd like to believe what they say (that they want a better America and to do good things for Americans and that their plans would be good for the country), but Bill's whole presidency really put a bad taste in my mouth and I was so relieved to have him out of the office. Mind you I'm no fan of Bush, but I was terrified to get Gore in there to continue on with more of the same. Anyway....Gore is a whole nother issue I won't go into.
I was against Hillary's campaign from the beginning. I never have liked her. I did like her while he was campaigning and for about the first two years of him being president, then started reading and learning things about her (her position at Rose Law firm, what she did to get where she's at, her literally having to be pulled off of Bill by the secret service, the foul language she used towards people, the way she would talk to the secret service, the mysterious deaths, her trying to socialize the health care system, the way she represented the US when she would go over to another country and was presented with a gift and she would turn to Chelsea and make a comment that she thought nobody heard but was picked up on the cameras as her telling Chelsea it was a piece of s@@t and she was not going to wear it, etc, etc. She also said another time to Chelsea that she was tired of doing stuff and having to talk to people (other leaders wives) her were below her "class". This was caught on camera so it's not made up.
I was turned off by her campaign tactics from the beginning. The lies, her little crying episode when she felt it served it's purpose. The "shame on you Barack" speech she gave all the while she had been putting out lies about him and his plans. It was the kettle calling the otherside black (or whatever that saying is). The real cincher was when she said she was staying in because we have to remember that "Kennedy was assissinated in June, right?" She never once apologized for anything and she blamed it all on the other side. She doesn't and has never taken responsibility for anything she says. She will say something and blame the other side. But it doesn't surprise me because Bill is the same exact way. A lot of what she did I believe was probably at the direction of the campaign advisers (Terry McAuliffe and others), but she is a grown woman and knows better and she could have said no. She inflated herself like when talking about how she is experienced in dangerous situations because she flew into Bosnia when it was under fire and she has answered the "red phone". Those were outright lies and she knew it. Then everyone says, oh she just couldn't remember. Well I was in the Army - believe me you know when your being fired at. Also claiming what Bill accomplished in the white house as if they were her accomplishments. When caught in her lies she laughs it off and says it was a "minor" mistake.
I do think she could unite the party, but she is choosing to divide it. She says in public she wants a party that is united, but yet she's not telling her supporters that they need to back the nominee. She's telling them that if they march to the convention they have another chance that she could be put on the ticket. She should be telling them that she is not the candidate and she is proud of how far she got but she'll just have to try another time. She is the person who could calm them but she is deciding not too.
I think I do have a lot of fear with McCain. I do not see much of a difference between Hillary and McCain. They have voted the same way in the senate. So the thought of those two are quite frightening for me. I just hope Obama picks the right VP choice. I do hope Clintons supporters do not march to the convention like they say they are going to. I need to read up on history but believe the last time that happened it was horrible and the party lost. Which brings me to the next point which is I have heard that that is Hillary's plan. She wants McCain to win so that way in four years she can run again and therefore she will do everything she can to make sure Obama loses.
I read that she is co-chair of the Senate India Caucus and that she and Bill accepted over 360K (she 60K from them and B 300K) and this is a group that is responsible for taking jobs away from Americans and giving them to other countries (India for one) - this means jobs like yours and mine.
B&H are pushing for a one-world government. They have been trying to get Canada, America & Mexico to become one country with one currency (similar to the Euro), and Hillary wants to be the world leader over it all. This is nothing I heard from any right-wing conspiracy group. This is some document I read somewhere but I can't quote it at this time (would take some research).
What I don't like about B&H ... Vince Foster (suicide?) and removal of documents from his office, Gennifer Flowers, Monica Lewinski (lies and cover ups), Travelgate, Castle Grande (sham transactions), Cattle futures, Waco, Elian Gonzales, mysterious deaths of James McDougal, Mary Mahoney, Ron Brown, Ed & Kathleen Willey, Jerry Parks, James Bunch, James Wilson, Kathy Ferguson. There at least 35 others but won't list them all. Them accepting illegal funds, destroying the white house before they left and air force one, Hillary saying that she was going to think of the cleaning lady in her office building as a human being. I did get sick of when there was a tragedy and he would be there in front of the camera he had his "sad pouty face" on, but as soon as he thought the camera was off of him he'd go into a laughing state and be quite jovial, then he'd see a camera and back was that sad face again. His lies that he belonged to all these black churches throughout his life. There are other things I can't remember right now.
When Bill was campaigning for president I heard about all the promises he made, lower the budget, cut in taxes, beter health care for Americans, this, that, and other promises. He never once held good on his promises (but in all fairness the same has happened with other politicians). During Clinton presidency jobs were lost to overseas, and about 3 weeks after he became president our military was cut back so much that America was not safe from it's enemies. Mind you at this time I still thought he was okay, but little by little that was being eroded away.
One thing about your statement that got me thinking about my opinions about his policies. I may be in the wrong about some of my feelings and its' been so long that I really need to read up about what he did in there. I just disliked him so much that I usually turned him off. I'd hear things here and there (and now I do have to admit I listened to Rush Limbaugh and Fox News a lot at that time) and I do realize that its not fair to judge them on things I heard from them.
Anyway...you have some very good issues you brought up and to tell the truth I do have to do a bit more research. I think overall is my basic disgust of the lies they have told throughout their careers. The way their "fan base" will not listen to truth and claim that Bill and Hillary are so innocent and never did anything wrong, it was all a conspiracy against them.
I never did have anything against Bill's affairs. It is not my busness whether he sleeps with other people and I don't find that as disgusting as a lot of people do. Nobody knows what was going on in their lives that brought him to that position and if I had a wife like Hillary I'd probably sleep with someone else too, but all I say is tell the truth. It was the lies and coverup that I had a problem with. I didn't care that he couldn't keep his boys behind closed doors, but be a man and admit it.
So to sum it up my biggest problem with them is they lie, they manipulate, when caught they say they never said it and when told its on film he comes out and says I'm not going to play that game instead of something like well if its on tape I must have said that and lets talk about that further at another time. I just really lost respect with them. In all fairness for them though I do have to say they are not the only politicians like that.
One more note is I liked your post. It was long but had some very good points and really is making me think twice about some things. I don't think I've answered all your questions, but you have given me a lot to think about. It hasn't changed my opinion since I first posted but is getting me to think and do some research. Tx.
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That's how the mortgage cookie crumbles!
I am still against bailing out homeowners only!
The best arguments are straightforward and simple. Give that boy a cookie! nm
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I think this is a tough one
because some woman are obviously so put off by Palin it isn't funny and others think she is great. I personally find her to be well accomplished and quite capable of being the VP.
However, I did see a woman on TV a few days ago who is a democrat and a Hillary supporter who said she was currently undecided but felt that a recent Obama ad showing Palin at the end and winking was sexist. So....hopefully he ticked more feminists off who thought that was sexist. LOL!
not what to want to read....tough!
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Tough times
Notice what affilitation the top 6 are! - N wonder they don't care if we're in a recession.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/226/story/54838.html
That's tough to decide.
I like Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. Hate snow, afraid of volcanoes, and can't take heat anymore. Hubby has been wanting to move to Canada for years. He likes snow and mountains.
I also like Prince Edward Island, Nova Scotia. They're cold but I like the sea.
Maybe I can find an nice island halfway between the extremes I posted? Any suggestions? LOL
I know this is tough to understand, but...
these are military prisoners who will not be undergoing a civil trial, it will be a military tribunal. They are not United States citizens and, therefore, are not guaranteed any rights by the United States Constitution. Honestly, they should be (and probably are) ecstatic that we area not cutting off their heads.
He already has answered tough questions and without a
teleprompter. Now it is about time they let Palin answer a few.
Tough. Still a free country. sm
I think people like Bill O'Lielly and Hannity, Limbaugh and Colter should be banned - but atlas - it is still a free country. Ha ha.
NO to torture. YES to tough interrogations!
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You have offended me
I'm overweight. How could you be so insensitive to weight-challenged individuals. Looking up my attorney's number right now...
Actually, I was offended that one would come over here and ...sm
get on to me for not posting this on the conservative board. First of all, I post over their as minimal as possible out of respect for your board. Second, when you click on politics you can see all of the threads that are posted, so there was no reason for this person to be offended that it was not posted on their board anyway. Just open it up read the info, end of story. I agree with Starcat, it's whinny complainy to even make an issue out of this.
I'm a little offended
See link re: Bush and trade agreements
http://news.aol.com/story/_a/bush-protectionism-will-cost-us-jobs/n20071013100909990009
Basically, it's about how he wants more free trade.
"I know many Americans feel uneasy about new competition and worry that trade will cost jobs," Bush said. "So the federal government is providing substantial funding for trade adjustment assistance that helps Americans make the transition from one job to the next. We are working to improve federal job-training programs. And we are providing strong support for America's community colleges, where people of any age can go to learn new skills for a better, high-paying career."
Okay, I appreciate the help; however, what if I like my supposedly 'un-skilled' job?? What if I were a factory worker that loved the fact that I got to go to work every day, do my job, and come home??? Shouldn't I have that option? What if I'm an older American who has done my job for 40 years and I don't want to do something different?? Shouldn't I have that right, too? Where will it end? If it's okay to ship this job overseas, what comes next? Who draws the line between what kind of job is 'expendable' and what jobs we keep in America? Bad, bad idea to keep letting our jobs go overseas.
And since I know people will mention it, I realize that George Bush is not the only one who feels this way.
please do not be offended
Ok, please do not be offended. I saw on the TV how many millions that hillary is making, between her ad her husband. I woul like them to send me a thousand for my med bills and something to put a roof onmy house. Do you think they would do that?
I do not think so.
well i am offended....
but my panties are not bunched.....
GO MCCAIN!!!
I'm not offended
but I'm not under conviction. My thoughts are that God's perfect will would not be to see either of these men in the White House but His will will not be done because we, his people, have not done his will. This I believe. I believe he gave us free will and lets us reap what we sow. My agonizing if for people like the conversation I've been having above with some obvious youngsters who vote based on either the party affiliation or what other questionable sources tell them. THAT and not God is what has gotten us into this mess and we'll have to get ourselves out. I'm sure you'll agree even though you're voting for McCain and I am not, that the pickins' are pretty slim this election. And I fear what will come after the election regardless of which of them is elected.
Now, why would you be so offended...(sm)
by that? I stated fact and then my opinion. You undoubtedly voted for her...so here's your chance. Here's her website....
http://palinpac.org/index.html
Looks like she wants your money too. This is your chance to put your money where your mouth is.
Oh, and don't even try that *just leave the poor woman alone* thing. She obviously welcomes the attention.
Cheney Fields Tough Questions
I think they're in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency. --Vice President Dick Cheney, on the Iraq insurgency, June 20, 2005
Hmmm, so I guess now we've progressed to the *FINAL* last throes ???
Associated Press
Update 1: Cheney Fields Tough Questions From Troops
12.18.2005, 03:18 PM
Facing tough questions from battle-weary troops, Vice President Dick Cheney on Sunday cited signs of progress in Iraq and signaled that force changes could come in 2006.
Cheney rode the wave of last week's parliamentary elections during a 10-hour surprise visit to Iraq that aimed to highlight progress at a time when Americans question the mission. Military commanders and top government officials offered glowing reports, but the rank-and-file troops Cheney met did not seem to share their enthusiasm.
From our perspective, we don't see much as far as gains, said Marine Cpl. Bradley Warren, the first to question Cheney in a round-table discussion with about 30 military members. We're looking at small-picture stuff, not many gains. I was wondering what it looks like from the big side of the mountain - how Iraq's looking.
Cheney replied that remarkable progress has been made in the last year and a half.
I think when we look back from 10 years hence, we'll see that the year '05 was in fact a watershed year here in Iraq, the vice president said. We're getting the job done. It's hard to tell that from watching the news. But I guess we don't pay that much attention to the news.
Another Marine, Cpl. R.P. Zapella, asked, Sir, what are the benefits of doing all this work to get Iraq on its feet?
Cheney said the result could be a democratically elected Iraq that is unified, capable of defending itself and no longer a base for terrorists or a threat to its neighbors. We believe all that's possible, he said.
Although he said that any decision about troop levels will be made by military commanders, Cheney told the troops, I think you will see changes in our deployment patterns probably within this next year.
About 160,000 troops are in Iraq. The administration has said that troop levels are expected to return to a baseline of 138,000 after the elections, but critics of the war have called for a significant drawdown.
More than 2,100 troops have died in Iraq since the U.S. invaded in March 2003.
The round-table with the vice president came after hundreds of troops had gathered in an aircraft hangar to hear from a mystery guest. When Cheney emerged at the podium, he drew laughs when he deadpanned, I'm not Jessica Simpson.
Shouts of hooah! from the audience interrupted Cheney a few times, but mostly the service members listened intently. When he delivered the applause line, We're in this fight to win. These colors don't run, the only sound was a lone whistle.
The skepticism that Cheney faced reflects opinions back home, where most Americans say they do not approve of President Bush's handling of the war. It was unique coming from a military audience, which typically receives administration officials more enthusiastically.
Cheney became the highest-ranking administration official to visit the country since Bush's trip on Thanksgiving Day 2003. It was his first visit to Iraq since March 1991, when he was defense secretary for President George H.W. Bush.
The tour came on the same day that President Bush was giving a prime-time Oval Office address on Iraq. Cheney's aides said the timing was a coincidence, yet the two events combined in a public-relations blitz aimed at capitalizing on the elections to rebuild support for the unpopular war.
The daylong tour of Iraq was so shrouded in secrecy that even Iraqi Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari and President Jalal Talabani were kept in the dark. The prime minister said he was surprised when he showed up for what he thought was a meeting with the U.S. ambassador and saw Cheney.
Talabani, his finger still stained purple as proof that he had voted three days earlier, was clearly delighted. He thanked Cheney profusely for coming and called him one of the heroes of liberating Iraq.
Cheney had an hourlong briefing on the election from Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad, top U.S. commander Gen. George Casey and Gen. John Abizaid, commander of U.S. forces in Iraq. He emerged saying he was encouraged by preliminary results showing high turnout about Sunni Muslims, who make up the backbone of the insurgency.
His next visit was to Taji Air Base, where he saw tanks that Iraqis had rebuilt and watched while they practiced a vehicle sweep at a security checkpoint.
U.S. forces guarded Cheney with weapons at the ready while Iraqi soldiers, who had no weapons, held their arms out as if they were carrying imaginary guns.
The Syrian border is back under Iraq control now, U.S. Lt. Gen. Marty Dempsey told the vice president, pointing to a map of Iraqi troop locations. When people say, 'When will Iraq take control of its own security?' the answer truly is it already has.
Cheney lunched on lamb kebobs, hummus and rice with raisins along with U.S. and Iraqi soldiers who helped secure polling sites. Then he headed to his third and final stop in Iraq at al-Asad.
Cheney flew over Baghdad in a pack of eight fast-moving Blackhawk helicopters, following the airport road that has been the site of so many insurgent attacks and passing the courthouse where Saddam Hussein is being tried.
The unannounced stops in Iraq came at the beginning of a five-day tour aimed at strengthening support for the war on terror. Stops include Oman, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia.
Cheney's staff kept the Iraq portion secret from reporters, waiting to reveal the plans when Air Force Two was preparing to refuel in the United Kingdom. Once on the ground, the entourage transferred from his conspicuous white and blue 757 to an unmarked C-17 cargo plane that would fly overnight to Baghdad International Airport.
you substitute the "f" in if with an "s" and make it "is". I know, it's tough,
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Cool. Sounds like he's gonna be tough.
Hope he doesn't put more goofballs in though. When a party turns on it's own candidates, there's definitely something wrong with it.
If you are offended by this "hatred" why are you here?
sorry if I offended, but I'm white....
I'm a white person saying this.....but worked in ERs for years.....her Shaniqua statement made me say there's plenty of white trash going to ERs too....is all I meant - sorry if I offended you.
That's okay...not offended, just justified
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Point well taken - I'm sorry I offended you
Oh I just get so so angry when I see absolute trash being spewed. My DH always reminds me not everyone in that group or this group is like that. There are radicals all around. I just really wish people would stick to facts. It is so sickening that politics has come down to this. Where is the decency anymore. Why aren't only issues coming up (as in policies and voting records and stuff) instead we get absolute trash. I see it here and I see it on the mainstream media (TV and magazine articles). None of it makes sense. What happened to honesty and decencies in America and towards all people no matter what their differences are. I still can't understand what jollies people get from posting garbage and then say its the truth because they want it to be (even though its not).
Again, thank you very much for the reminder to not group everyone together. I will remember that.
They can very easily in this computerized age. nm
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Still a big concern for those not so easily
Palin's clothes, her trips, family trips. Who cares!!
If you don't want to hear about it, too bad! I can see where you wouldn't; doesn't look good for him.
we could easily do what the liberals
constantly do and spin that out and say that was a set up by the Obama campaign to make McCain supporters look bad.
No, I can EASILY understand it. YOU have a
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YOU are easily aggravated
LOL!
And he could easily do that simply by....(sm)
upholding G. W. Bush's patriot act. Go figure.
They can't see past anything..... easily led!
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Another tough Biden interview...scrubbed from the Internet...
Marxism at its best, once again, what we will be able to expect from an Obama white house
Try putting the following in google, and the interview has been scrubbed clean off the Internet. It's hard to even find a transcript of the interview, and could only find parts of it.
Like Orlando, Obama - Biden Bans Philadelphia Station CBS3 After Tough Biden Interview
I'm African American and am VERY offended
that he would even make the comment I don't care how he tried to clean it up, or what context he used it
in.
To say that the crime rate would be reduced if you aborted all African Americans is deplorable and your defense of the comment is sickening. It doesn't matter to me if he came back and says it's morally wrong to do so, well DUHHH yeah it would be, so why is he saying this $h!t to begin with.
If Democrats startled more easily ...
we might not be in the financial situation we find ourselves in today. Just sayin.
Lucky for me, I am easily entertained . . .
Chuck is a great new TV show. I still watch Survivor. Big fan of Nip/Tuck. Dr. Who, although that is a British show. I like foreign films, so that isn't the Hollywood crowd either.
I know this isn't political but I can only take so much endless arguing with the same points being made over and over and over. It's like watching a train wreck. Which reminds me, I like watching Katie Couric on the Evening News, because that is sort of a train wreck too.
you're easily led... no that should be misled
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You're too easily sidetracked....
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no, you are so easily entertaining us. Thanks a lot. It really nice of you
to bring some comic relief to this board!
Whether or not we are personally offended by his remark,
I think most can agree that it falls under that old catch-all phrase 'poor judgment.' I think much of his first 60 days has fit that category, I'm anticipating many more examples of it in the next four years. This is what happens when the man wanders too far from TelePrompTer and handlers.
Bush was considered a cowboy, Palin a hick, and both would have been publicly eviscerated by the big-3 networks for such a blunder - yet another example of their ineptness. Obama has been characterized as so smooth and sophisticated, and this is considered a simple 'off-the-cuff remark' or a harmless misspeak.
Should we all stop being weenies who are wounded by carelessly offensive remarks? Sure. I just would like an end to the double standard.
I wasn't offended, I was just curious
I don't know why or what has changed but this board has become a target for people starting fights over nothing. People get on this board and say oh look at this or look at this, those dumb this or those dumb that. They also spread lies put out by the liberal media, and talk about how great this is when it's not, or they say the republican party is falling apart when it's not. So, I'm not getting a whole lot of information from this board. It's like watching MSNBC here. More lies upon lies. There's one person who comes on and cuts down someone if they post a link to something off of Fox news and calls it fixed, faux, and any other name they can think of, but then they turn around and only post articles from MSNBC (BSNBC, MSLSD), and we all know that is one station nobody can trust to give any truth.
I wish people would stick to issues, like if you had said he's replacing this judge with "so-n-so", what do you think of them, that would have been one thing, but the statement itself was just too open.
But here's what I'm doing to help me get through this administration. I've turned off the news. It seems like every single day I turn on the news and it's just getting worse and worse and worse. The economy is getting worse, the lies keep growing, the promises keep getting broken, he says one thing does another, then the next day goes back on his word. But every single news station - even Fox seems to defend him the more I watch. The only thing about Fox is that they have people on both sides and they are fair and treat the guests with respect. The other stations just drool all over him and anyone with an opposing view they attack. Guess that's why MSNBC is losing their viewers and almost in bankruptcy. But even with that I'm finding I disagree with Fox a lot because they are defending him on issues I don't agree with. So, stopped watching it all. Now I just keep on the movie channels, and pull up a couple websites to get my news.
Anyway...it's just getting bad all over and I see it here a lot, so your question was just too open-ended and looked like you were looking to start something. I'd wait until you hear who the nomination is then bring up some issues.
His job as President is to pick a judge. I figure it can't be any worse than the picks of Clinton, Napalatano, Geitner, and all the other crooks and unqualified people he's picked for his cabinet.
BTW - this will show you how much I don't watch the news anymore - I don't even know what judge he's replacing.
Strange.....why are you so offended by that comment?
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lots of autism in my family - but I'm not offended
So he made a bad joke, and apologized. Not like he was bashing the Special Olympics all over the map. But if you neeeed a reason to be mad at the guy, I guess you found what you wanted.
Good, there's no hatred on the right. Glad to hear, BUT how easily
you guys forget, selective memory I mean. No one was born yesterday on here. Bill Clinton caught more flack about any and everything than Bush could imagine in his time in the White House. Some on the right would stop at nothing to have the man relieved of his job. So, if you were one to sit tight and not say a word against Clinton while he was a sitting president good for you, but you most definitely were sitting alone.
Now, don't get me wrong I do not feel the same way about Pres Bush as gt does. I believe God works all things out in the end and he will have his judgement day. Whether he, or anyone else for that matter, rots in hell will be for them and God to decide.
Conservatives Scare More Easily Than Liberals, Say Scientists
http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/09/fearmongering-h.html
A quick look at some of the posts on this board would seem to corroborate the above. 
Your opinion of torture is your opinion. Tough
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If you're offended, too bad. Facts are facts...
I know Muslims in this country who have turned from the hateful evil beliefs that were forced down their throats. They did not have the freedom to learn anything else growing up. But after they gained their freedom and came here, they were able to receive the Word of God and they have told me that NEVER were they taught anything about loving others, just other Muslims, and that the God they learned about spoke of nothing but killing and hate... so if Obama is receiving large donations from those middle eastern countries, as you say, and he is grounded in Muslim culture, being taught this in school for years as a child, do you honestly think he doesn't carry some of those beliefs with him? He's never denounced it.
Here ya go.........
http://bibleprobe.com/muhammad.htm
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