I am concerned for my fellow democrats on this post
Posted By: piglet on 2007-10-24
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Is there possibly anything else you can discuss or raise cane about other than Bush? To say that Bush started the fires in California is just beyond the scope of common sense.
I am not a Bush supporter, never was, never will be....however, not all the ills in the world or in our own country can be blamed on him alone.
I am most astounded by some of these postings, as they don't seem to make much sense and make you sound much less intelligent than I am sure you are.
Blame the people who elected him and blame Congress for not pursuing further investigation, but to keep rehashing it is blarney.
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Nope....she just stated she was here to post issues for her fellow liberals...
(or he, whichever the case may be), and I just mentioned I had not seen any issues posted. Are YOU the posting police?
And what facts to post....I hope you are really proud of your fellow posters...
right now.
Fellow Arkie
I know where that is! We used to shop in Fort Smith when I was little. From Mena, now south Arkansas. Your part of the country is beautiful. Where the Ouachitas meet the Ozarks! 
To my fellow Americans.....
we are all screwed. I don't think any one in government has a clue what is the right thing to do and the ones who do won't say anything as it might go against their party and who would want to do that. If one party has a good idea, the other party refuses to vote for it because it wasn't their party and let's face it.....neither party wants the other one to look good. Government is going to stick it to us again so we might as well be prepared and get the vaseline out for a little bit of lube.
Hello there fellow vegan
Okay, have to admit I'm not total vegan but am trying. I love beans too. We eats tons of black beans, garbanzo's, and some navy beans and lately been on a homemade split pea soup kick. I do love beans, less meat (we stick to mainly chicken and ham. Although I still won't eat a fava bean (mainly because they said it was like a lima bean and lima beans are repulsive to me).
Is that what they laughed about. I had forgotten.
So am trying here to be more vegan myself. There are certain veggies I just cannot get enough of (brussel sprouts for one).
If you have or know of any good recipes or websites of how to transition more veggie I'd love to hear from you. More than welcome to send me an email.
Thanks and let me know how you like the fava beans.
As I pointed out before...that fellow is not entirely honest either...
and Bush did not lie. While the bill does not explicitly state it will cover families to $83,000, it opens a loophole that will allow New York to again ask for the $82,600 raise and under the new bill would probably get it, because the stipulation preventing it was being removed. So basically what Bush said is true...he should have worded it differently.
Here are some things that were not brought forward that are also bad things about the bill:
Bush had good reason to veto SCHIP
By Grace-Marie Turner
Article Launched: 10/14/2007 01:33:38 AM PDT
Is President Bush a liar who hates children? That's what many of his critics now are asking in the opinion pages of major newspapers across the country. Why else, they say, would he refuse to sign a bill providing health insurance to poor kids?
Specifically, the president has vetoed a bill expanding the State Children's Health Insurance Program designed to provide health coverage to lower-income children. One nationally syndicated columnist went so far as to call Bush's rationale in vetoing the bill a "pack of flat-out lies."
This kind of rhetoric is wrong and misleads readers about the facts of this important issue.
There is no debate over whether to reauthorize the SCHIP program so it can continue to provide insurance to needy children. That's a given. The debate is about whether children in middle-income families should be added.
The president is absolutely right in insisting that SCHIP focus on its core mission of needy children. When SCHIP was created in 1997, the target population was children whose parents earned too much for them to qualify for Medicaid but not enough to afford private insurance. The president wants the program to focus on children whose families earn less than 200 percent of the federal poverty level. In today's dollars, that's $41,300 a year.
About two-thirds of the nation's uninsured children already are eligible for either Medicaid or SCHIP, but aren't enrolled. Raising the income threshold won't solve this core problem. Congress should require states to focus on the 689,000 children whom the Urban Institute says are uninsured and would be eligible for SCHIP if eligibility were limited to the $41,300 income level.
The other big problem is that, across the country, states are using SCHIP dollars to insure adults.
Fourteen states cover adults through SCHIP, and at least six of them are spending more of their SCHIP dollars on adults than on children. For example, 78 percent of SCHIP enrollees in Minnesota are adults, 79 percent in New Mexico, and 72 percent in Michigan.
With these statistics in mind, the Bush administration issued a ruling in August requiring states to demonstrate that they had enrolled 95 percent of eligible needy children before expanding the program.
Yet the bill that Congress passed, and which the president vetoed, nullifies that ruling and effectively refuses to agree that needy kids should get first preference. Instead, the congressional measure would give $60 billion to the states over five years to enroll millions more "children" - although many of them will, in fact, be adults. Others will be from higher-income families.
New York, for instance, could submit a plan that would add children in families earning up to $83,000 a year to SCHIP. New Jersey could continue to cover kids whose parents make up to $72,000. All the other states would be allowed to cover kids in families with incomes up to $61,000.
Most children in these higher income families are already covered by private insurance. According to the Congressional Budget Office, 77 percent of children in families earning more than twice the poverty line have private health insurance now.
No one doubts that SCHIP is a vitally important program for needy children, and that our nation needs to do a better job of helping working families afford health insurance. But giving the states incentives to add middle-income kids to their SCHIP rolls will prompt families to replace private insurance with taxpayer-provided coverage.
This is completely backward. The goal of SCHIP should be to provide private coverage to uninsured children. If Congress would send the president a bill that does that, he says he would sign it in a minute.
How I hate to disagree with my fellow....
But that is just nonsense. It would do nothing but create anarchy and keep the government so busy rotating presidents in and out of office, that absolutely nothing would get done. I will agree with you that the Bush presidency is one of the worst and that we will be seeing the ramifications of it in the many, many years to come and I am just hoping that he can keep things on an even keel until his term is over. But a no convidence vote? Never.
Not a fellow liberal, just a few things to say...
the National Right to Life Committee is not a religious organization. This from Wikipedia: The National Right to Life Committee is the largest right to life/pro-life organization in the United States with affiliates in all 50 states and over 3,000 local chapters nationwide. The group works through legislation and education to work against abortion, infanticide, euthanasia and assisted suicide. It was founded in Detroit in 1973 in response to the Supreme Court decision Roe v. Wade which legalized the practice of abortion in all fifty states. It a non-sectarian, non-partisan group whose founding members included leaders in fields of science, religion, law, ethics and medicine. Its board consist of an elected representative from each of the 50 states and several at-large board members.
It might surprise you to know, there are Democrats, and there are liberals, who are not pro choice. There are Republicans who are pro choice. It is not a political issue. It is a deeply moral, deeply personal issue. In my case, it is tied to my belief in God (not my God, He is everyone's God). Perhaps not so in others. Those who do not have God in their lives, I do not expect them to understand where I am coming from, and I am not trying to force anything down anyone's throat. That is MY personal conviction. In others, perhaps it is tied to their own sense of morality and what to them is right and wrong. That is our right, just as your stand is yours.
I would counter what you say by saying how could you stand up with such strong conviction for the less fortunate, the sick, for all living things EXCEPT the unborn, the most innocent of all? And the helpless? Piglet...who in this world is MORE helpless, more utterly defenseless than an unborn child? Who?
If you have the benevolence to stand up for all the others you mention, why does that not extend to the unborn? Why are they excluded?
How is it different for a woman to deem an unborn child inconvenient and decide to kill it before it is born or partially born, and that is fine, yet let that child be born and she smother it the next day and you would be outraged, or at least I hope you would. How is that right in even a most twisted sense? The plain and simple fact is it is still a dead baby who was murdered. I realize that terms like "Murder" and "Chopped up like salad in a blender" are terms that make people uncomfortable. And well they should. Because that is the stark reality of abortion, choice or not.
In this day and time, in all but the most extreme circumstances (rape, incest, possible death of mother), there are ways to prevent an inconvenient pregnancy. If we stopped performing abortions except in those extreme cases, that would stop 90%, of not more, of all abortions.
REASONS FOR ABORTIONS: COMPILED ESTIMATES
rape 0.3 % (0.1-0.6 %)
incest 0.03 % (<0.1 %)
physical life of mother 0.2 % (0.1-0.3 %)
physical health of mother 1.0 % (0.1-3 %)
fetal health 0.5 % (0.1-1.0 %)
mental health of mother depends on definition
"personal choice"
--too young/immature/not ready for responsibility
--economic
--to avoid adjusting life
--mother single or in poor relationship
--enough children already 98% (78-99 %)
Not sure where you are going with the deciding how we die thing...unless you are talking about assisted suicide/euthanasia? That slippery slope may lead somewhere you don't want to go...when that decision is taken away from you and given to someone else, to whom you have become inconvenient and a bother and it would be in their best interest that you be dead. Think about that very carefully. And before you say "Oh that would never happen" I am sure that people who made the same comment about abortion never thought it would be legal or commonplace either. The Terri Schiavo case...I just think it would behoove anyone to think very carefully about that particular snowball and do they really want to start it down the hill.
Looking out for your fellow Americans, how noble sm
Did you figure out how to spell McCain yet?
Wouldn't you want your fellow supporters to think for
;?/
LOL...Kind of like saying *my fellow prisoners*..
I read articles on this fellow......... sm
during the campaigns before the election. His predictions are not very promising and I believe we are in for a long, rocky ride. The government bailouts are just the beginning of government owning America, lock, stock and barrel.
I live in a rural, rather economically depressed area now and wonder how quickly my area will start seeing these changes. I wonder if it will be one of the first and hardest hit or if the more affluent areas of the country that enjoy a wider variety of jobs and better paying jobs will be more adversely affected first.
My 18-year-old son and I were discussing his future last night. Although he is a junior in high school, I told him that it is time that he started looking at the job markets in our area and deciding on a job that would pay well and would be in demand for a few years, at least. He won't be going to college, partly because of financial issues, but mainly because he is just not "college material" but I do want him to investigate trades-type schools and trades jobs in which he will be able to provide for himself as an adult in an economy where blue-collar workers struggle at best. 
Personally, I am not spending any more than is absolutely necessary to survive at this point. I guess I'm being "unAmerican" by not stimulating the economy, but right now I'm more concerned about what my future holds and whether I will be able to keep my home than whether I have a big-screen TV or an iphone. Times are indeed getting scary.
Are you calling your fellow pubs ignorant?:
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I think Palin IS a scare tactic. She & her fellow
believe in FREEDOM.
Freedom of Speech.
Freedom of/from Religion.
Freedom of Association.
Pursuit of Happiness.
Marching in lock-step with America's religious Nazis somehow just doesn't fit with what our forefathers had in mind when they wrote the Constitution.
You're really worried about your fellow citizens?
because if that were the case, you would be asking him why he continues to let illegals and overseas workers with visas into this country to take those very jobs they report are gone.
You don't know any of this is going on because you don't pay attention to anything unless Obama has said it. If he doesn't tell you illegals are taking these jobs, then you'll just pretend they are not. Sorry you don't feel illegals taking our jobs to the tune of 1.5 million right now isn't MORE important than spending more of your money.
Ever stop to think if they didn't have the jobs, Americans would?
Please don't tell me what to be concerned about. SM
I don't think any of us need a lecture on Christian belief systems and the Bible. We should ALL be concerned, interested and knowledgable about what is happening in Israel. I seriously do not understand where you are coming from at all. Your placating tone reminds me of a mother comforting a child who has just gotten a boo boo. If you don't want to be concerned about Israel and what is happening, fine, don't join in the discussion, but to say that Americans, most especially Christian Americans, have no need to worry their little heads is not only bizarre, it is insulting.
This is what I am concerned about sm
They will create another incident and we will get martial law. They gave themselves that power with the Patriot Act, and are just waiting for the incident to enact it. You are right, God bless us all. One never knows how a cornered animal will act - very scary.
You obviously are not concerned about...sm
your children, maybe you don't have any, or maybe you are a pedophile. Why don't you think this is not important?
I'm much more concerned
about Obama saying that he had visited 57 states in the US. LOL! Sorry pal.....there aren't that many states in the good ole US of A. Personally, I think that is much worse considering that is our own country compared to a man who doesn't know who the prime minister is of another country.
You should be concerned
How is it that Obama just "happens" to have these neighbors: Louis Farrakhan, William Ayers, & Rev. Wright?
So are you saying that you don't think there's any involvement with these men in the last 10 years (or less)? If so, you'll be in for a huge surprise as more info comes out. Frankly, I'm amazed at how lethargic the public has been, just accepting anything the driveby media reports (more like FAILS to report)!
You have every right to be concerned.
The frenzy that has come about through all of this is like regressing us back to the 50s, and there are a lot of crazies out there that might be thinking about vigilante-style retribution -- on either side depending on who wins. I believe we might be in for some trying times. Be safe.
As far as I'm concerned
it's all in the definition of "brother" and "sister." My brothers and sisters are those I see in need, not necessarily my biological brothers and sisters. I haven't heard Obama (or McCain for that matter) describe who they consider their "brothers" and "sisters."
I am not the only one concerned
Who is worried, scared and fearful for our country. I feel sorry for you who does not see the light.
This is something we truly need to be concerned about
The snowball is on a downhill course and picking up speed, probably irreversible at this point.
http://www.hyperhistory.com/online_n2/connections_n2/great_depression.html
Exactly!, As far as I am concerned,
most of the celebrity opinions I have heard have been a display of ignorance more than anything to me. Doesn't impress me a bit, never have any depth to them. And Olbermann really found a winner with this one!!
I would be more concerned if it were
a conservative judge retiring. He'll just add in a liberal to replace a liberal. No need to get worked up just yet.
Is anyone else here concerned about
the control the unions are getting. I know unions contribute to democrats, but the very idea of the Obama administration allowing the unions to have so much during Chrysler's bankruptcy....which isn't the way it should be at all. Obama has literally blown off everyone to make the unions have more control and make money. Now in CA we have the White House telling CA that they cannot cut union wages or they will lose their stimulus money. I just don't see how this doesn't concern people on here. Our government is out of control. I don't know that I agree with Obama wanting unemployment to go up. However, I have to wonder if Obama really cares about what he is doing here. Cap and trade will cut more jobs. Going green will create jobs initially but they won't sustain them. All of these construction jobs and infrastructure jobs he will create aren't sustainable. What happens when the job is done? People are out of work again.
Our government is out of control, unions are gaining more and more control.......I just don't like the way this is heading.
As far as you are concerned is the sm
magic word but you are so very wrong. You will one day wake up in he!! and you will remember the words you had spoken and you will remember them throughout eternity.
The things I could have done??? I can do anything I please and the things that are not pleasing to God are not things I would enjoy doing.
I have not wasted my life and even IF you were right, which you are not, I would rather live a Christian life than not any day of the week.
I am not miserable I am very happy. I know what awaits me someday but for you.........well I fear for you and I also pity you because you really do not know what you are saying. I hope you figure it out before it's too late.
Obviously, I am done with this conversation. It has turned into an argument by one of Satan's own.
As far as you are concerned is the sm
magic word but you are so very wrong. You will one day wake up in he!! and you will remember the words you had spoken and you will remember them throughout eternity.
The things I could have done??? I can do anything I please and the things that are not pleasing to God are not things I would enjoy doing.
I have not wasted my life and even IF you were right, which you are not, I would rather live a Christian life than not any day of the week.
I am not miserable I am very happy. I know what awaits me someday but for you.........well I fear for you and I also pity you because you really do not know what you are saying. I hope you figure it out before it's too late.
Obviously, I am done with this conversation. It has turned into an argument by one of Satan's own.
I am more concerned about how
other countries are laughing at us, how our government is spending us into the ground without batting an eyelash about it, how we are more concerned about the treatment of terrorists than we are the potential danger we could put our troops in by showing these memos, etc., how terrorist think we are weak and they continue to hate us no matter whether we torture them or not.
Call me names all you like, but I do believe that Bush and Cheney did what they did to try to obtain information to save American lives. This isn't like T-ball where everyone gets a trophy in the end and there are no winners or losers. This is war.....get a clue!
It's the same thing, as far as I am concerned.
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"voters were concerned about the
language in some of them (books) and felt it inappropriate for their children. This was to help keep bad language away from their children. Not to get rid of them because a certain race, nationality, etc. wrote them. The Nazis burned books written by Jews. This is entirely different." Your words. This is not different at all, and the statement is absurd. Once you take even one book off the shelf, you have invited pure anarchy/tyrrany. This would elimintate my and my children's freedom of speech and expression. Secondly, you want to take away my responsibility as a parent for my children. Thirdly, this kind of gov't would take away all freedom of thought, how we get our information of the world, different viewpoints, different cultures, different ideas, etc., etc., an extremely dangerous slope. For the love of freedom, please don't dictate to me or my kids what we can read, write, think, etc.
this chick is more concerned
that some son of a generally unknown guy expressed the opinion that the Dem convention was run well than the RIGHT AMENDMENT!! What screwed up priorities you have, sista.
The only boogeyman I am concerned about....
is Barack the socialist Obama. Even in the face of this crisis he is STILL standing by programs that will cost billions and wanting to RAISE taxes. With the economy in this kind of shape. Good grief. I would not expect he himself to know better but for the love of heck WHO is advising him??? I don't want him (or them, whoever they are) anywhere NEAR the White House.
With all due respect.
You seem to be overly concerned about someone
you don't think much of, even having to resort to nit picking just to have something to yap about.
I believe YOU were concerned about racism...
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I'm not so concerned about her as I am Obama's
He's the one running for presidency, not her.
Why are you so concerned about this person?
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I am concerned if HE IS A LIAR! -and he does lie
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If you are really concerned about fairness -
I don't understand you folks. I am very concerned about the military having their say in the voting process - I have a son in the military and I want his vote counted (even though he voted for McCain), I have an exhusband in Iraq (who I am sure would not waste his time voting for anybody), but I want their votes counted; however, if you want to be fair then even the homeless people "who do not contribute anything" have the right to vote. Being homeless does not take away their basic rights in this country. You are all talking about how Obama is going to take away this, or take away that, or do this, or do that to the people, but now you are advocating not letting a homeless person vote becaues they don't have a permanent address.
You know what, I have come close to being homeless several times in my life due to unfortunate situations - one of those time when my husband was a SOLDIER and the Army did not pay us for a whole month - and I don't think that homeless people are the scum of the earth and should just be discounted. Any one of us could find ourselves right there on that park bench beside them at any time. If the United States were a better place, then we would not have homeless people sitting on those benches anyway!
I cannot believe the lack of compassion that people in the United States are now showing toward their fellow countrymen!
Not concerned about lady-like
concerned about being able to eat through the winter :)
I'm no concerned about the GOP..I'm an independent...
the sorry's will be from O when he can't fulfill his many promises to his starry eyed followers who elected him. Pelosi herself has already said that many of the things they want to do won't get done and he hasn't even been sworn in yet.
Yes, concerned citizens can be
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Same here. I am very concerned for the safety of
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Shouldn't you be concerned about where
all those millions given to Louisiana to rebuild went to? They went to state park projects in the northern part of the state and then LA governor lost track of where the other millions went to.........
If you're so worried about the residents of NO and want to blame the government for all their woes, maybe you should ask why Mayor Negan had the casinos going full blast the day before the hurricane was due to hit? Why wasn't he getting all his federall funded citizens out of NO? Louisiana has always been a state of corruption much like Illinois and until their citizens demand better, they won't get it! On second thought, with so many criminals ran out of New Orleans, maybe it would be a better place to live!!!! They're probably all back by now though, robbing, stealing, and murdering those those who actually do work for a living....
Yep, our government is really concerned for us.........
The government wants to shut down a doctor's business because he is charging a flat-fee service. He has more than 7000 patients!!! 50 of them are enrolled in a flat-fee service with him where he charges $79.00 a month and they can come see him as much as they want. He has gotten rid of all the paperwork, all EMR, and has cut ALL the waste.............AND THE GOVERNMENT SAYS NO?! Crap on that!
He has to wait for the government to contact him which they have not done so far! Yep, for all those Obama lovers out there, thank you for nothing! You want cheap healthcare? This guy is doing it for his patients and the government says NO.....NO CHEAP HEALTHCARE! They want to OWN everyone and dictate everything! That is dictatorship ya know! And please don't give me any Bush crap.................he ain't your presidente' anymore folks! WAKE UP!
Concerned for Americans?
Pleeeze! No one can claim to be concerned for the American people and continue to put OUR country trillions upon trillions of dollars in debt while our generations to come continue to pay this criminal behavior on the American people!!!
If you haven't figured out who his PRIMAL concern is for thus far, then it would be pointless to point it out!!
McCain is concerned about the people . . .
right after Palin gets her photo ops with world leaders and his poll numbers start going down including FoxNews poll and his campaign manager's firm gets caught taking money for "consulting" that was never done and . . .
If you are concerned about the "global" economy...
you have not been paying much attention to Barack "I am a citizen of the world" Obama. You have bought the socialism mantra hook, line, and sinker. It is all "big business' fault." Actually, it is Democrats taxing business into oblivion that helped force them offshore. But I realize your mind is closed to that...does not make it less true. It is not offshoring that makes cars more expensive...it is out of control labor unions, who, go figure, want Obama elected. When labor unions get their sweetheart contracts, the company has to raise prices on cars to make a living...and who gets shafted? Yeah, us.
You think it is fair to tax businesses who employ folks more and turn that into a check for people who will not get out and work for a living like the rest of us. I guess you think they owe you something. I don't think they owe me anything. If you were one of those people who owed a small business, you would be barking up a very different tree.
I would hate to think I was voting for someone who was for punishing hard work and rewarding the opposite. Handouts do NOT incentivize people to get out of the lower income classes. It incentivizes them to STAY there and let the government take care of them. Pretty soon you have only the well off at one end and the low income at the other end...and the middle class disappears forever. Hello socialism 101. They now have ya just where they want ya. Yeah change....
Of course you're not, dear. Not too concerned about
rasberries
I finish my work--but thanks for being concerned for me.
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