Yes, concerned citizens can be
Posted By: "annoying" to others...too darn bad!.nm on 2008-12-21
In Reply to: There are those annoying words again - gourdpainter
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Just look at what US citizens have been through
at stake in this election, not just for us, but the rest of the world. Everyone is on-edge, pissed-off, nervous, angry, fearful, hopeful, etc. You name it, the emotion is out there. It's likely that regardless of the outcome of this election, there will be protests and possibly violence by the losing side. So that's got me nervous, as well. Our entire governent needs a major overhaul & housecleaning.
Anyway, yes, your feelings are accurate, and have mainly to do with our fear for our futures. This election will essentially decide whether I my later years in a modest, (but at least HEATED!) apartment, with some food in the cupboards and a savings to draw on, or whether I spend those years living in a cardboard box underneath a freeway overpass.
Seasoned Citizens sm
To season a citizen you use a dash of salt and pepper, a pinch of Viagra (mycoxaflopin), and a fine sprinkling of "OxyFast."
Have been following the news about Pakistan.
We are all citizens of the world.
The sooner we realize this, the sooner we can put an end to war and try to do something to protect this planet before it self-destructs.
The Majority of Citizens?
Let's see tomorrow morning.
Like containing disorderly citizens? nm
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my children are citizens
they were born in Germany yet they are US citizens and German citizens. They have dual citizenship. they are US citizens and they have a born abroad certificate which is the proof of their US citizenship which is exactly the same as a b/c. you guys crack me up. and no i am not an O fan, but i think that this would have been the FIRST thing that McCain and Palin would have pointed out had all this crap been true.
Yes, proposed changes, which citizens cant
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Law abiding citizens don't have anything to worry about...sm
Just the same way a warranted wire tap should not have any problems procuring a warrant. It's too bad you don't see the potential for corruption here(and accusations are already floating).
As far as phone companies passing out private info, you have to give consent for companies to share your private information with other companies legally. That's why we have Consumer Privacy Laws (or is this a thing of the past too? No, really is it?)
No, but Illinois citizens are so used to corrupt
even this guy has suddenly made them stand up and take notice...... what a sorry crook! He'd probably sell his mother for a buck.
There are many Muslim-Americans who are citizens of the US. (nm)
They are eligible to vote in the presidential election and are just as concerned about the important political issues as everyone else in this country!
Citizens are allowed to vote
with any motivation they wish - FOR someone, AGAINST someone, because they had soup for lunch, etc. Supreme Court (hey there's a case someone can discuss) upheld same-day registration and voting. Since they know the constitution and the law, I will trust their judgment.
The election system is OBVIOUSLY sound, because when Ohioans suggested that the Bush reelection count was rigged, they were denounced as conspiracy theorists. One cannot have it both ways.
However, he did not believe that all citizens are equal under the law. Shame on ...sm
you likening BO to Hitler.
Sorry, but according to the law, anchor babies are US citizens - nm
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Pop 8 was vote of MAJORITY of citizens who said NO...
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I never said citizens weren't allowed to vote.
I just do not think that same day register and voting should be allowed. That is my personal opinion and I have the right to have that opinion regardless on how a court ruled on the subject.
Shouldn't the citizens of Alaska take care of that
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Anchor babies are natural citizens... sm
by virtue of being born on American soil, just as the babies of Chinese immigrants or German immigrants or any other nationality are citizens of this country if they are born on US soil. Granted, the influx of illegal aliens from Mexico has created a problem in that it has burdened the welfare system in this country, but that is not the issue here.
The issue is that Obama cannot produce proof that he is a natural born American citizen. The birth certificate floating around the internet purported to be real is a fake. You can find anything on the internet these days, true or not. Just the fact that liberals shoot down every article posted in support of a conservative's point of view as being "not a credible source" is proof of that.
Mr. Obama is well aware of the questions being raised concerning his birth certificate. If he had a REAL birth certificate, why would he just not produce it and put an end to all the speculation? Because he can't, plain and simple. He flew to Hawaii to see his ailing grandmother and "coincidentally" his "birth records" were sealed at the same time. Isn't that interesting?
Mr. Obama lived for 5 years in Indonesia, a country that does not recognize dual citizenship, therefore nullifying his American citizenship IF it ever existed in the first place. There are no records on file where he ever applied for citizenship after returning to the US.
We have to produce birth certificates for our children to attend school today. Why shouldn't the man who would be POTUS have to show his?
Barack Obama is not even legally a black American. He only has one black great-great-grandmother on his father's side while the other 7 were Arab.
That makes him 50% white, 43.75% Arab, and 6.25% black. 12.5% is the minimum required to legally claim any racial status in America.
Obama would qualify as the first Arab-American president, NOT the first black president. That is why they keep saying "African-American" and NOT black because they know he is African Arab and not African black.
Why would you want anyone who has any kind of questionable background leading our country? Would you allow persons of questionable background to teach your children in school? What if that person was suspected of having an inappropriate relationship with a child but it could not be proven? Would you want to run that risk?
I agree that America has more pressing problems that whether the man about to take the helm is a natural born citizen, but do you want someone who is not even an American leading us through these problems?
Because crabby, no matter how greedy the citizens are/were SM
It wasn't just the brokers or just the people who weren't as smart as you not to get an ARM, it was under the leadership of GW......! the lack of leadership. This is why I've called you uneducated, because the information out there about every issue under the sun is there if you care to educate yourself. It's ludicrous to say that someone earned $1500 a month and shouldn't have gotten a $300K mortgage. Your beloved Bush, is the one who PUSHED THROUGH THE ZERO DOWN PAYMENT,,, the worst idea ever.
You're really worried about your fellow citizens?
because if that were the case, you would be asking him why he continues to let illegals and overseas workers with visas into this country to take those very jobs they report are gone.
You don't know any of this is going on because you don't pay attention to anything unless Obama has said it. If he doesn't tell you illegals are taking these jobs, then you'll just pretend they are not. Sorry you don't feel illegals taking our jobs to the tune of 1.5 million right now isn't MORE important than spending more of your money.
Ever stop to think if they didn't have the jobs, Americans would?
That money will go overseas as long as U.S. citizens keep
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No they absolutely do NOT represent the citizens of this country
So pompous and self-righteous.
I think Bush's administration was the joke, since you asked. At least now we have someone intelligent and not self-absorbed.
I suffered through the abomination of the Bush administration in silence. You bet your sweet bippy I'm celebrating Obama's presidency and the return to power of the Democratic party. I hope to GOD I never see the likes of Dumbya as president again!!!
Still not torture. Poilcemen TAZER our own citizens.
Heck, the 'resource officers' at my kid's high school tazed a kid for spitting in the commons area.
Maybe we should just taze the terrorists. I'll bet they'll talk then. When they start sh!tting themselves and going into convulsions, I'll bet they'll cough up whatever info they have.
Plus, it'll save on the Gitmo water bill, and I think we're ALL for that.
It must be hard for you to accept that even the DEMS voted to keep Gitmo going.
Hey, maybe the terrorits could all live at YOUR house. You guys seem to have a lot in common.
the children born here are automatically citizens -
At one point in time, if a mother and father were here illegally and a child was born, the father would be deported, but the mother could stay until the child was 18. I don't know if that has changed or not.
Those things are citizens exercising free speech,
The world they have been living in under the Patriot Act has pushed them into dark corners underground. They are the ones who ended up on the wrong side of that line in the and Bush drew after 911 when he said, "you are either for us or against us."
They all work, just like you and me, but sacrifice greatly for their activism. If you think the coverage you are getting about who they are, what they are saying or where they come from is fair, you are the one who is living on another planet. You skipped the part about police sweeping up reporters and bystanders, beating them up while hosing them down and dragging them away.
Take a look back into history some 30-40 years ago. These same "things" were the guys who marched and protested on behalf of civil rights for blacks and women and against the last wrong war were had. Yesterday's "things, today's authors, senators, congressmen, journalists, etc.
You must have been born AFTER their struggles bore fruit. Otherwise, you would not be so glib and would have no need to ask such inane questions.
Air Force chief: Test weapons on US citizens before using on enemies.
Air Force chief: Test weapons on testy U.S. mobs
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Nonlethal weapons such as high-power microwave devices should be used on American citizens in crowd-control situations before being used on the battlefield, the Air Force secretary said Tuesday.
The object is basically public relations. Domestic use would make it easier to avoid questions from others about possible safety considerations, said Secretary Michael Wynne.
If we're not willing to use it here against our fellow citizens, then we should not be willing to use it in a wartime situation, said Wynne. (Because) if I hit somebody with a nonlethal weapon and they claim that it injured them in a way that was not intended, I think that I would be vilified in the world press.
The Air Force has paid for research into nonlethal weapons, but he said the service is unlikely to spend more money on development until injury problems are reviewed by medical experts and resolved.
Nonlethal weapons generally can weaken people if they are hit with the beam. Some of the weapons can emit short, intense energy pulses that also can be effective in disabling some electronic devices.
On another subject, Wynne said he expects to choose a new contractor for the next generation aerial refueling tankers by next summer. He said a draft request for bids will be put out next month, and there are two qualified bidders: the Boeing Co. and a team of Northrop Grumman Corp. and European Aeronautic Defence and Space Co., the majority owner of European jet maker Airbus SAS.
The contract is expected to be worth at least $20 billion (&euro15.75 billion).
Chicago, Illinois-based Boeing lost the tanker deal in 2004 amid revelations that it had hired a top Air Force acquisitions official who had given the company preferential treatment.
Wynne also said the Air Force, which is already chopping 40,000 active duty, civilian and reserves jobs, is now struggling to find new ways to slash about $1.8 billion (&euro1.4 billion) from its budget to cover costs from the latest round of base closings.
He said he can't cut more people, and it would not be wise to take funding from military programs that are needed to protect the country. But he said he also incurs resistance when he tries to save money on operations and maintenance by retiring aging aircraft.
We're finding out that those are, unfortunately, prized possessions of some congressional districts, said Wynne, adding that the Air Force will have to take some appetite suppressant pills. He said he has asked employees to look for efficiencies in their offices.
The base closings initially were expected to create savings by reducing Air Force infrastructure by 24 percent. |
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Find this article at:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/09/12/usaf.weapons.ap/index.html |
Obama Justice Department Decision Will Allow Non-Citizens to Register to Vote in Georgia
Georgia Secretary of State Karen Handel issued the following statement following the U.S. Department of Justice’s denial of preclearance of Georgia’s voter verification process
Atlanta - “The decision by the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) to deny preclearance of Georgia’s already implemented citizenship verification process shows a shocking disregard for the integrity of our elections. With this decision, DOJ has now barred Georgia from continuing the citizenship verification program that DOJ lawyers helped to craft. DOJ’s decision also nullifies the orders of two federal courts directing Georgia to implement the procedure for the 2008 general election. The decision comes seven months after Georgia requested an expedited review of the preclearance submission.
“DOJ has thrown open the door for activist organizations such as ACORN to register non-citizens to vote in Georgia’s elections, and the state has no ability to verify an applicant’s citizenship status or whether the individual even exists. DOJ completely disregarded Georgia’s obvious and direct interest in preventing non-citizens from voting, instead siding with the ACLU and MALDEF. Clearly, politics took priority over common sense and good public policy.
“This process is critical to protecting the integrity of our elections. We have evidence that non-citizens have voted in past Georgia elections and that more than 2,100 individuals have attempted to register, yet still have questions regarding their citizenship. Further, the Inspector General’s office is investigating more than 30 cases of non-citizens casting ballots in Georgia elections, including the case of a Henry County non-citizen who registered to vote and cast ballots in 2004 and 2006.
“It is important to underscore that not a single person has come forward to say he or she could not vote because of the verification process. Further, while DOJ argues that the process is somehow discriminatory, the historic voter turnout among Hispanic and African-American voters in the 2008 general elections clearly says otherwise.
“This decision provides a specific example of the inherently illogical and unfair nature of Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act. It is a sad day for the rights of our state and for the integrity of our elections. I remain committed to continuing the fight for citizenship verification. In the coming days, I will consider every option available to the state, including the possibility of legal action.”
Background:
As required by law and ordered by federal courts in October 2008, the eligibility of new applicants to register and vote is checked against the Georgia Department of Driver Services (DDS) and Social Security Administration databases to ensure that individuals registering to vote report similar information. If information in these databases does not match information reported on the voter registration form, the applicant is asked to clarify the information. Additionally, if the applicant previously reported to DDS that he or she is not a U.S. citizen, that person is asked by a registrar to provide proof of citizenship.
Prior to the November 2008 General Election, Secretary Handel sent letters to 4,771 voter registration applicants whose records at DDS indicated they were not U.S. citizens, asking them to provide documentation of their citizenship. As of March 2009, 2,148 of these applicants still have chosen not to resolve the question about their U.S. citizenship.
In the November 2008 General Election, county election officials reported that 599 individuals cast a challenged ballot because the voter had previously indicated to DDS that he or she was not a United States citizen and had not resolved their status with county officials at the time of the election. Of those, 369 ballots were accepted because the voter provided documentation of their citizenship after the election; and 230 were rejected because the individual chose not to confirm his or her citizenship status.
On October 10, 2008, activist organizations including the Mexican-American Legal Defense and Education Fund (MALDEF) and the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) filed a lawsuit to attempt to prevent Georgia from verifying the eligibility of applicants to register and vote in the November General Election, including whether those individuals were citizens of the United States.
On October 16, 2008, U.S. District Court Judge Jack Camp denied the motion by MALDEF and ACLU; directed the State to continue the verification process; and acknowledged the State’s requirements to verify information under the Help America Vote Act. In his order, Judge Camp stated:
HAVA requires that Defendant Handel match information in the statewide voter registration database with information from the Georgia DDS and the SSA databases “to the extent necessary to enable each such official to verify the accuracy of the information provided on the applications for voter registration.”
Judge Camp also stated: ...
Please don't tell me what to be concerned about. SM
I don't think any of us need a lecture on Christian belief systems and the Bible. We should ALL be concerned, interested and knowledgable about what is happening in Israel. I seriously do not understand where you are coming from at all. Your placating tone reminds me of a mother comforting a child who has just gotten a boo boo. If you don't want to be concerned about Israel and what is happening, fine, don't join in the discussion, but to say that Americans, most especially Christian Americans, have no need to worry their little heads is not only bizarre, it is insulting.
This is what I am concerned about sm
They will create another incident and we will get martial law. They gave themselves that power with the Patriot Act, and are just waiting for the incident to enact it. You are right, God bless us all. One never knows how a cornered animal will act - very scary.
You obviously are not concerned about...sm
your children, maybe you don't have any, or maybe you are a pedophile. Why don't you think this is not important?
I'm much more concerned
about Obama saying that he had visited 57 states in the US. LOL! Sorry pal.....there aren't that many states in the good ole US of A. Personally, I think that is much worse considering that is our own country compared to a man who doesn't know who the prime minister is of another country.
You should be concerned
How is it that Obama just "happens" to have these neighbors: Louis Farrakhan, William Ayers, & Rev. Wright?
So are you saying that you don't think there's any involvement with these men in the last 10 years (or less)? If so, you'll be in for a huge surprise as more info comes out. Frankly, I'm amazed at how lethargic the public has been, just accepting anything the driveby media reports (more like FAILS to report)!
You have every right to be concerned.
The frenzy that has come about through all of this is like regressing us back to the 50s, and there are a lot of crazies out there that might be thinking about vigilante-style retribution -- on either side depending on who wins. I believe we might be in for some trying times. Be safe.
As far as I'm concerned
it's all in the definition of "brother" and "sister." My brothers and sisters are those I see in need, not necessarily my biological brothers and sisters. I haven't heard Obama (or McCain for that matter) describe who they consider their "brothers" and "sisters."
I am not the only one concerned
Who is worried, scared and fearful for our country. I feel sorry for you who does not see the light.
This is something we truly need to be concerned about
The snowball is on a downhill course and picking up speed, probably irreversible at this point.
http://www.hyperhistory.com/online_n2/connections_n2/great_depression.html
Exactly!, As far as I am concerned,
most of the celebrity opinions I have heard have been a display of ignorance more than anything to me. Doesn't impress me a bit, never have any depth to them. And Olbermann really found a winner with this one!!
I would be more concerned if it were
a conservative judge retiring. He'll just add in a liberal to replace a liberal. No need to get worked up just yet.
Is anyone else here concerned about
the control the unions are getting. I know unions contribute to democrats, but the very idea of the Obama administration allowing the unions to have so much during Chrysler's bankruptcy....which isn't the way it should be at all. Obama has literally blown off everyone to make the unions have more control and make money. Now in CA we have the White House telling CA that they cannot cut union wages or they will lose their stimulus money. I just don't see how this doesn't concern people on here. Our government is out of control. I don't know that I agree with Obama wanting unemployment to go up. However, I have to wonder if Obama really cares about what he is doing here. Cap and trade will cut more jobs. Going green will create jobs initially but they won't sustain them. All of these construction jobs and infrastructure jobs he will create aren't sustainable. What happens when the job is done? People are out of work again.
Our government is out of control, unions are gaining more and more control.......I just don't like the way this is heading.
As far as you are concerned is the sm
magic word but you are so very wrong. You will one day wake up in he!! and you will remember the words you had spoken and you will remember them throughout eternity.
The things I could have done??? I can do anything I please and the things that are not pleasing to God are not things I would enjoy doing.
I have not wasted my life and even IF you were right, which you are not, I would rather live a Christian life than not any day of the week.
I am not miserable I am very happy. I know what awaits me someday but for you.........well I fear for you and I also pity you because you really do not know what you are saying. I hope you figure it out before it's too late.
Obviously, I am done with this conversation. It has turned into an argument by one of Satan's own.
As far as you are concerned is the sm
magic word but you are so very wrong. You will one day wake up in he!! and you will remember the words you had spoken and you will remember them throughout eternity.
The things I could have done??? I can do anything I please and the things that are not pleasing to God are not things I would enjoy doing.
I have not wasted my life and even IF you were right, which you are not, I would rather live a Christian life than not any day of the week.
I am not miserable I am very happy. I know what awaits me someday but for you.........well I fear for you and I also pity you because you really do not know what you are saying. I hope you figure it out before it's too late.
Obviously, I am done with this conversation. It has turned into an argument by one of Satan's own.
I am more concerned about how
other countries are laughing at us, how our government is spending us into the ground without batting an eyelash about it, how we are more concerned about the treatment of terrorists than we are the potential danger we could put our troops in by showing these memos, etc., how terrorist think we are weak and they continue to hate us no matter whether we torture them or not.
Call me names all you like, but I do believe that Bush and Cheney did what they did to try to obtain information to save American lives. This isn't like T-ball where everyone gets a trophy in the end and there are no winners or losers. This is war.....get a clue!
It's the same thing, as far as I am concerned.
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"voters were concerned about the
language in some of them (books) and felt it inappropriate for their children. This was to help keep bad language away from their children. Not to get rid of them because a certain race, nationality, etc. wrote them. The Nazis burned books written by Jews. This is entirely different." Your words. This is not different at all, and the statement is absurd. Once you take even one book off the shelf, you have invited pure anarchy/tyrrany. This would elimintate my and my children's freedom of speech and expression. Secondly, you want to take away my responsibility as a parent for my children. Thirdly, this kind of gov't would take away all freedom of thought, how we get our information of the world, different viewpoints, different cultures, different ideas, etc., etc., an extremely dangerous slope. For the love of freedom, please don't dictate to me or my kids what we can read, write, think, etc.
this chick is more concerned
that some son of a generally unknown guy expressed the opinion that the Dem convention was run well than the RIGHT AMENDMENT!! What screwed up priorities you have, sista.
The only boogeyman I am concerned about....
is Barack the socialist Obama. Even in the face of this crisis he is STILL standing by programs that will cost billions and wanting to RAISE taxes. With the economy in this kind of shape. Good grief. I would not expect he himself to know better but for the love of heck WHO is advising him??? I don't want him (or them, whoever they are) anywhere NEAR the White House.
With all due respect.
You seem to be overly concerned about someone
you don't think much of, even having to resort to nit picking just to have something to yap about.
I believe YOU were concerned about racism...
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I'm not so concerned about her as I am Obama's
He's the one running for presidency, not her.
Why are you so concerned about this person?
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I am concerned if HE IS A LIAR! -and he does lie
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If you are really concerned about fairness -
I don't understand you folks. I am very concerned about the military having their say in the voting process - I have a son in the military and I want his vote counted (even though he voted for McCain), I have an exhusband in Iraq (who I am sure would not waste his time voting for anybody), but I want their votes counted; however, if you want to be fair then even the homeless people "who do not contribute anything" have the right to vote. Being homeless does not take away their basic rights in this country. You are all talking about how Obama is going to take away this, or take away that, or do this, or do that to the people, but now you are advocating not letting a homeless person vote becaues they don't have a permanent address.
You know what, I have come close to being homeless several times in my life due to unfortunate situations - one of those time when my husband was a SOLDIER and the Army did not pay us for a whole month - and I don't think that homeless people are the scum of the earth and should just be discounted. Any one of us could find ourselves right there on that park bench beside them at any time. If the United States were a better place, then we would not have homeless people sitting on those benches anyway!
I cannot believe the lack of compassion that people in the United States are now showing toward their fellow countrymen!
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