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I can see apologies have no effect on the likes of you. SM

Posted By: Brunson on 2005-09-11
In Reply to: Uh-huh. Have you been drinking again? - Tsk Tsk

Thank you for demonstrating that. It's funny, because several times liberals have mistakenly posted on the conservative board and then apologized and we never attacked.  A good example between the two mindsets, I would say.


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I'm not sure it will have much effect
I actually sort of supported John McCain when he was in the mix the last time (shocker!). I thought he had some good things to say. However, I could not vote for him now because of his stance on the war, no matter who backed him. I think that this election is somewhat different than others in the past. People are concerned with the issues more than ever, not just who is charming or has experience in this or that. They want the candidate that represents their views on a variety of issues, which include the war in Iraq. So, I'm not sure independents will be swayed by who Lieberman supports.
To the Bradley effect
You seem to have a negative effect on people.  My, my.  I just read a few of your posts.  Such great anger in such a small person.  I saw that you had mentioned God and his Word.  You must have skipped a few things in your reading because there are quite a few references in God's word as to loving your neighbor and doing unto others.....we are all created in God's image..... ya know, that kind of stuff.  Have you started your own religion yet?  Maybe you should.  Ya know the kind where you pick and choose what works for you and then just kind of chalk the rest up to mumbo jumbo.  I would be careful what you take away or add to the Bible, as God also mentions something in there, actually in Revelations, about changing his word.  But if you didnt read THAT part, I guess You don't have to worry. 
The obama effect

A very good link. - Says a lot.  I'm going to be getting this movie.  Explains some things.


http://www.hypemovie.com/?gclid=CKPSn--wzZYCFRsRagodZWPJyQ


 


Please remember the Bradley effect...

which I think will be the case here.


The Bradley effect is a fact,,,
perhaps you should read up on it. Don't be so touchy and defensive!
How about that trickle up effect Obama's been touting....sm
how soon do you think those homeless people and lower end workers are going to be helping out the economy, hmmmmmm?????????

Think they're gonna be putting anything in your stocking next year?



Obama and the Palin Effect (by Deepak Chopra) sm

Obama and the Palin Effect



Deepak Chopra - September 04, 2008


Sometimes politics has the uncanny effect of mirroring the national psyche even when nobody intended to do that. This is perfectly illustrated by the rousing effect that Gov. Sarah Palin had on the Republican convention in Minneapolis this week. On the surface, she outdoes former Vice President Dan Quayle as an unlikely choice, given her negligent parochial expertise in the complex affairs of governing. Her state of Alaska has less than 700,000 residents, which reduces the job of governor to the scale of running one-tenth of New York City. By comparison, Rudy Giuliani is a towering international figure. Palin's pluck has been admired, and her forthrightness, but her real appeal goes deeper.




She is the reverse of Barack Obama, in essence his shadow, deriding his idealism and exhorting people to obey their worst impulses . In psychological terms the shadow is that part of the psyche that hides out of sight, countering our aspirations, virtue, and vision with qualities we are ashamed to face: anger, fear, revenge, violence, selfishness, and suspicion of "the other." For millions of Americans, Obama triggers those feelings, but they don't want to express them. He is calling for us to reach for our higher selves, and frankly, that stirs up hidden reactions of an unsavory kind. (Just to be perfectly clear, I am not making a verbal play out of the fact that Sen. Obama is black. The shadow is a metaphor widely in use before his arrival on the scene.) I recognize that psychological analysis of politics is usually not welcome by the public, but I believe such a perspective can be helpful here to understand Palin’s message. In her acceptance speech Gov. Palin sent a rousing call to those who want to celebrate their resistance to change and a higher vision.

Look at what she stands for:
--Small town values -- a denial of America's global role, a return to petty, small-minded parochialism.
--Ignorance of world affairs -- a repudiation of the need to repair America's image abroad.
--Family values -- a code for walling out anybody who makes a claim for social justice. Such strangers, being outside the family, don't need to be heeded.
--Rigid stands on guns and abortion -- a scornful repudiation that these issues can be negotiated with those who disagree.
--Patriotism -- the usual fallback in a failed war.
--"Reform" -- an italicized term, since in addition to cleaning out corruption and excessive spending, one also throws out anyone who doesn't fit your ideology.

Palin reinforces the overall message of the reactionary right, which has been in play since 1980, that social justice is liberal-radical, that minorities and immigrants, being different from "us" pure American types, can be ignored, that progressivism takes too much effort and globalism is a foreign threat. The radical right marches under the banners of "I'm all right, Jack," and "Why change? Everything's OK as it is." The irony, of course, is that Gov. Palin is a woman and a reactionary at the same time. She can add mom to apple pie on her resume, while blithely reversing forty years of feminist progress. The irony is superficial; there are millions of women who stand on the side of conservatism, however obviously they are voting against their own good. The Republicans have won multiple national elections by raising shadow issues based on fear, rejection, hostility to change, and narrow-mindedness.

Obama's call for higher ideals in politics can't be seen in a vacuum. The shadow is real; it was bound to respond. Not just conservatives possess a shadow -- we all do. So what comes next is a contest between the two forces of progress and inertia. Will the shadow win again, or has its furtive appeal become exhausted? No one can predict. The best thing about Gov. Palin is that she brought this conflict to light, which makes the upcoming debate honest. It would be a shame to elect another Reagan, whose smiling persona was a stalking horse for the reactionary forces that have brought us to the demoralized state we are in. We deserve to see what we are getting, without disguise.



www.deepakchopra.com


"spreading the wealth" is the Robin-Hood effect.
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Angry Mothers and Trembling Grizzlies: The Sheehan Effect







Angry Mothers and Trembling Grizzlies: The Sheehan Effect
by Dr. Teresa Whitehurst


"Sheehan has been involved in protests against Bush since last year. She founded Gold Star Families for Peace...She said she decided to seek another audience with Bush when she heard his comments about the war last week, after a spike in American deaths. The fallen men and women "died in a noble cause," Bush said Wednesday. "Their families can know that we will honor their loved ones' sacrifice by completing the mission."


"Sheehan said she wants to tell Bush not to use her son's death as a reason to continue the war, and to ask "why (Bush's twin daughters) Jenna and Barbara and the other children of the architects of this disastrous war are not in harm's way, if the cause is so noble." ArmyTimes.com, August 8, 2005


For some, Cindy Sheehan's lonely journey through the shock and sorrow of her son Casey's death in Iraq is of no interest. What, they ask, is the big deal? One soldier killed, one mother grieving – so what? Mothers have no business meddling in the manly business of war, or expressing inconvenient, disloyal, unpatriotic feelings like grief or anger. Get over it, critics command, and think about "the mission" instead, a mission that "we should see through" so that other people can't make fun of us for "cutting and running."


Instead of focusing on one poor misguided woman, or on how many more Americans and innocent Iraqi families will be killed in this war, we're told to think about how great it will be when other people admire us for killing every terrorist and future terrorist in the whole wide world. Instead of thinking about the new fundamentalist Islamic "democracy" that Bush's war has ushered in for the poor girls and women of Iraq, think about "the good news" way, way down the road when they get used to wearing the burqa and live happily ever after. In short, Americans should focus on "the big picture."


But for mothers – even those who've tried valiantly to believe the president when he exclaims that the war on Iraq is a "noble cause" – there IS no big picture. For mothers of slain soldiers, there are only little pictures: their lost child smiling at 10 months in his high chair; riding his first bike without training wheels; opening Christmas presents (Hot Wheels, Transformers, or GI Joe); and making silly faces for the camera.


The little picture encompasses all those times when parents stay up all night with their sick children, or protect them from bullies, or wipe away their tears after a friend's rejection. It's not just the happy times that mothers remember, it's the multitude of little moments, little pictures in a parent's mind, of time and love invested in one's offspring. When this enormous investment is squandered by reckless military adventures that zip kids into body bags, parents are owed great compensation. And they are owed the truth.


Do George and Laura Bush ever imagine how it would feel if all they had left of their beloved child was, as Cindy Sheehan has, a few snapshots and an abyss of sorrow in their hearts? Must they suppress their natural compassion in order to convince themselves of their own administration's spin – that it's "worth it" when American kids die far away from home for reasons that have consistently turned out to be false?


Do the Bushes feel the earth tremble beneath their feet at the mere thought that thousands of parents of slain soldiers are beginning to ask questions, to see the folly for which their children died…to find their voice?


Cindy remembers the little picture, which is why George has been hiding from her. She is his worst nightmare, for she is not just Cindy Sheehan, mother of Casey. She is Every Mother. And, no matter how uncomfortable it gets, she's not going to dishonor her son by saying, "Well okay, if you say so, I guess this war was worth my boy's life."


Support Our Wars or Else


What does it really mean to "honor" a soldier's death…and life? To say that he or she willingly died "to end terrorism" (impossible), or "make Iraq a democracy" (ditto)? Unless they were suicidal when they enlisted (I know one boy who was), dying in Iraq is not the soldier's "sacrifice" because by definition, a sacrifice is something that we choose and willingly make. Most young people never imagined when they enlisted – often for reasons their recruiters understood but their parents didn't, such as finding a sense of belonging, or escaping bad neighborhoods or dead-end jobs, or finding a way to afford college some day – that they'd be dead within a matter of months.


To swallow ridiculous, ever-changing reasons for the futile war that has killed over 1800 idealistic youths with their whole lives ahead of them is to take the easy, socially acceptable way out. Pro-war pundits and politicians constantly threaten parents with social disapproval and even hatred if they dare to question those reasons – and it's worked for a long time. Parents have felt pressured to mouth the hawks' lines, lest their love for their child be called into question.


What a devilishly mean but perfect system for subduing the parents of fallen soldiers! Politicians and talk show hosts threaten: "Support our troops (the war), or we'll accuse you of dishonoring your dead child." The last thing that worried or grieving parents can bear is the suggestion that they're "dishonoring" the memory of the one they love. And so they have acquiesced. They have submitted. Archie Bunker would be pleased: Like Edith, they've learned to stifle themselves.


Until now.


Protective Fury: The Tipping Point


One day, back when Americans lived in peace and we'd never even heard of the Bush dynasty or the plotting neocons whose reckless ambitions it would serve, I was watching a nature show about grizzly bears in their natural habitat. I will never forget one particularly electrifying scene that comes to mind whenever I hear about Cindy Sheehan's vigil outside Mr. Bush's gated compound.


A large male grizzly came upon two adorable little grizzly cubs, who looked up at him with wonder and naivete; clearly, they didn't realize the danger they were in. To my great surprise, however, the male grizzly stood bolt upright as though startled, then starting running away from those harmless little cubs. Why on earth did he do that, I wondered. The narrator explained that the male knew instinctively that there's nothing more dangerous than a mother grizzly who senses that her cubs may be harmed.


As the huge male ran off into the woods, the narrator continued: "While the male grizzly is larger and could probably kill the female, he knows that in the process, her protective fury would leave him seriously, if not mortally, wounded. Mother grizzly bears will fight to the death for their young, ripping the flesh of any animal, no matter how large, that threatens their cubs. Coming upon the youngsters frightened the adult male so badly that he ran and hid because the mother, unseen but without a doubt somewhere near by, could at any moment sniff his presence and roar into action."


Human males can also sense danger, and know very well the hazards of facing protective mothers – particularly when other mothers are watching, too. This explains why the mainstream media has worked so hard to make antiwar parents of fallen soldiers look pitiful, and why George Bush is hiding inside his compound, hoping that Ms. Sheehan will lose interest and go away.


But what the president doesn't understand is this: She's not going to lose interest, and furthermore it isn't just Cindy Sheehan anymore. Parents of servicemen and women all over the country are beginning to see the little picture again. This is the tipping point, a showdown fueled by motherly devotion that will embolden other families to start questioning the integrity and fitness of this administration and this president: It's what I call the Sheehan Effect.


And that's the worst news ever for a man who can only see the "the mission," the big picture, and how noble it will look under "Bush, George W." in the history books.


Nobody likes me, everybody sm
hates me, guess I'll go eat worms.
My apologies to you.....I'm so used to dem
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my apologies ... sm
This gentleman wrote a very insightful article about, not only obama, but observations of America in general.  Thought is was very interesting (whether or not you are pro or con obama).   Sorry I wasted your time.
Then again, no one likes to be threatened, do they? SM
And isn't it a little more than silly to threaten someone physically on a chat board?  I mean, really.
So Bush LIKES the UN now?
I wonder which country he's planning on *liberating* next!  Maybe Iran? 
'post' above yours, again, apologies :)
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My apologies, Kaydie.
I read your post quickly in between jobs and did not read it properly. I apologize.
Hey JTBB my apologies to you too
Boy, talk about getting slapped into reality (more like smacked) by Just Curious.

After 10 seconds I turned Olberman off and looked for an article to read. Got the same message but without the painful anguished look on Olberman's face. HA HA.

You are right - I can't find this story in any of the conservative web pages.

Do I believe what we have in the office right now are neocons? Most and absolutely yes!!!! Do I believe what we have coming in is the Nazi regime. Most definitely yes!!! I don't know whether I like that or not because basically I do not see a difference. Only time will tell. I hope Obama will do a good job, I really really really do. This country is just in shambles. Am I worried - oh my gosh yes because of who he has been picking to fill his cabinet. Correct me if I'm wrong, because I may certainly be wrong, but I don't see him picking any conservatives in his cabinet, but yet when he was campaigning he was saying he was the only candidate who can bring the two sides together and he will choose both liberals and conservatives for his positions, yet I have yet to see any conservatives. I most certainly do not want more of the same, but I know there are a lot of conservatives who could do a good job, but to me I feel like he is just pushing them aside, which I feel is going to lead to such a division in the country. I still don't know what it is the Clinton have over him, but for him to pick her - oh my gosh!!!!!

I think I just take offense (even though I'm not conservative - I'm an independent with some conservative viewpoints and some liberal viewpoints) but I take offense when one side is called "the enemy" and people lump everyone into one group.

I do hope he does good. I hope he can get some jobs created and the economy back on track.
He likes to hang around them.
about them since the first thing on his list is Gitmo.
Geithner, a man who likes to have
WE BETTER BE WATCHING HIM! He might take all the money. Very, very bad decision on Obama's part to pick him. I bet we all could do a better job than this guy.

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Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner's signature reveals a very secretive man, said forensic handwriting specialist Ronald Rice. He needs to be monitored, as he can be manipulative, sneaky, and narrow-minded. But he does not reveal his hand. His signature suggests a man who likes to use information when necessary, with a watchful eye on others.
Geithner, a man who likes to have
No wonder, so he will not get caught. WE BETTER BE WATCHING HIM! He might take all the money. Very, very bad decision on Obama's part to pick him. I bet we all could do a better job than this guy.

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Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner's signature reveals a very secretive man, said forensic handwriting specialist Ronald Rice. He needs to be monitored, as he can be manipulative, sneaky, and narrow-minded. But he does not reveal his hand. His signature suggests a man who likes to use information when necessary, with a watchful eye on others.
My apologies..... you DO get it..... finally, someone
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Yes, any kind of sports Mom likes

out there is probably no different than what she's tried to do in the public to eye to make sure whichever one plays hockey is definitely noticed.  As I a Mom I can relate to that.  We all have our shining stars.  I personally would never refer to myself as any type of "dog" breed.  JMHO.


I guess I'm still not impressed in the least.  I've come across these kind of Moms in sports and they are not at all impressive.  As a matter of fact, they make me sick!


My apologies... I thought you were responding to
I usually don't read her posts, so by the time I checked to see if you were responding to her or me, it was too late. Sorry about the hasty reply, but I what I wrote still stands, just in case anyone DOES mis-quote me.

Anyway, a great big OOOPS!
:-/
my apologies about that link below, here is a good one

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4476649n


 


 


Seems he likes to make up the rules as he goes along (sm)
You know, like a child playing a board game changes the rules all the way through to make sure he or she will win? If he was going to improve his aquaintances he should have done that a loooong time ago. Not right now before the election, looks kinda....fishy.
Yep. He's probably staying. Obama likes him. (nm)
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my apologies to you - I probably did sound rude - nm
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Anyone else sick and tired of all the apologies

from corporations and our representatives? Are we supposed to always forgive them like their cronies do?


Thain just apologized for spending $1 million on remodeling his office but did not apologize for all the millions in bonsues he took when he left the company after 3 weeks.


Last night during the hearing for Geithner, Dodd spent so long talking, not about Geithner, but lecturing against Bush. I didn't even listen to Harry Reid. He's another one.


Barney Fife recieved $12 million from FM/FM. Sickening (haven't researched that yet, but heard it on the news).


Oh, and how about the $50 million corporate jet that was just ordered by one company, yet are asking for another $20 million from TARP. They SAY they are not using taxpayer's money for this jet. So, if not, how come they needed, and need, TARP money? Bull.


I'm sick of all the greed and coruption, not only in our government but also  corporate.


Apologies and we're to forgive them?  I don't think so. Why can't we get all this crap cleaned up? Is everyone in everyone else's pockets?


Okay. I'm done venting for now....................I think.


Ignorant is more like it...... the way Obama likes
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good grief to you, these are not apologies...nm...........nm
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Sincere apologies, wrong board. NM
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Yes, sincere apologies, wrong board. So what? NM

This poster is obviously simple minded and likes to
stir up trouble. Probably has never voted.
Oh yeah, Texas is the right place for the likes of him sm
Family oriented? He produced 2 drunken daughters. His wife is nice but the rest of them are pathetic entitled spoiled rotten human beings.

Oh yeah, Texas is the right place for the likes of him sm
Family oriented? He produced 2 drunken daughters. His wife is nice but the rest of them are pathetic entitled spoiled rotten human beings.

Definitely agree and my apologies to the democrats - see message
Didn't mean to insult any by saying she was in the same group. I do know quite a few really good democrats with level heads and are trying to do better for the country (still wish Kucinich had made it further. I think he's a very decent person) - as are some good republicans too (Ron Paul and others) - its the left wing nuts and I always forget that not all democrats are like that. (and not all republicans are like the uber-conservatives in their parties.

So sorry democrats that I put her in the same group with you.
O likes to tell people nice things to their face, then
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You need to make NO apologies - your posts have been insightful - see message
I feel the same way you do. I can tell you how upsetting it is to my patooty off and what do I get for it, I don't get ahead, I get to pay more taxes. I work two jobs because I have to and I have nothing - let me repeat nothing, NADA - left over. In fact sometimes I don't have enough to cover everything.

The country is going down the tubes and what do I see...all the wealthy politicians on the talk shows on TV and they all talk with sh-eating grins on their faces as though this is a big joke for them. They have little respect for people like us.

So don't you apologize for any posts you made or any answers you post to others messages. We're all feeling just like you do.

Sick sick sick of it all.


Excuse me Shelly but aren't you the one who likes Palin ? bwaaahahahah sm
You speak volumes about your own brilliance, liking Bush and Palin. Ridiculous. Well YOU LOST AND EVEN THQT TWIT HASSELBECK IS BACKING OBAMA NOW. Time for you to fix your image a little and look patriotic.
Stop whining. The election is over.