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I do want people to be inspired and hopeful if it is true...sm

Posted By: MeMT on 2008-11-04
In Reply to: It's a dark day in America when voters dare to feel inspired and hopeful? - Don't think so.

just don't want everyone to feel let down later.


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It's a dark day in America when voters dare to feel inspired and hopeful?
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Men who were divinely inspired by sm
God. If you had a relationship with Jesus Christ (and I hope you do before its too late), you would realize and know this.

I will trust the Bible and its author God before I will trust the opinions of those who don't believe.
A little hopeful

I'm sure someone will blast me for this, but over the past few days I haven't felt completely hopeless where politics are concerned.  It started with a town hall meeting with my area's representatives.  They really listened to the fact that people in my town are losing their jobs and their homes very, very quickly.  They seemed to understand the urgency to start fixing the problems.  Now, that could be because they were in a fairly small room with lots of angry people! - but I was glad to see them show some emotion and not be so detached from the people they're supposed to represent.


Then, last night on the debate, I felt like the Democratic candidates actually GET it.  It could be because President Bush so obviously does NOT get it, but it was refreshing to see them address the issues that are important to middle class families. 


Did anyone else watch the debate?  I must say, I watch them and I seem to go from Barack Obama to Hillary Clinton every time.  Clinton is a fighter and my gut tells me that's what we need to pull us up by our bootstraps.  Having said that, I'm a little concerned that there will be a McCain vs. Clinton match up.  I would hope that she would win on the basis of the war and economy, but a lot can change between now and the election.


The Holy Bible is God's inspired,
unerred, holy word. Now, Be you JTBB or whoever, you are smart enough to know what kind of question you are asking here.

There are critics who want us to give them all the answers to tough questions like, "where did Cain get his wife?" Well, the Bible doesn't tell us. If God had wanted us to know, He would have told us. The Bible doesn't tell us everything, but it does tell us all we need to know in this life. God wants us to ask questions, and He will answer many of those questions. But we must know that complete understanding will only come when we see the Lord face to face.

Now, for other faith-based questions, you are on the forum.
I wish I was hopeful for the future.
I am actually not proud to be an American. I actually want to move to another country, maybe Canada, Switzerland, Italy, Ireland? US scares me now with all these human rights. I wish it was back in the 50's.
Yep. It is our turn to be inspired. They need to book her a stadium....
lol
No, that is not true. I don't believe only lazy people ask for help (sm)
and I am not a republican. I always vote for whichever candidate I agree with the most. To be honest, this year I am not happy with either choice. I will just decide who is going to be the least destructive and vote for him. The reason I said that is that you said you care about his Harvard degree, but you don't even know what he studied. So how can you speak so boldly? At least I am on here asking questions, of which you have answered none, even though you certainly have a nice vocabulary.
So true. I think some of these people have been shackled
Time to go outside and get a breath of fresh air.
So true. I think some of these people have been shackled
Time to go outside and get a breath of fresh air.
Not if it's true (for some people), and I'm beginning to believe it is. nm
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you got the suffix wrong - it's hopeful
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I'm becoming more hopeful by the day. By 2012, the chickens
...a lot of voters will have lost their enchantment with the "idea" of voting for a President on the basis of his race or his superficial, glib mannerisms. In fact, if the Democrats themselves continue on the path they're starting to follow, I'm not entirely sure he'll be renominated!

The press can't change any of this, either. About 80% of the American population doesn't even watch the evening news on any of the so-called "main" networks.
The true enemy of our troops are people like you. sm
The troops and their families are speaking about people like you right now on CSPAN.  But, of course, you would not be able to handle what they are saying.  Because they are speaking the truth. 
So true - also, are these the same people who brought us the last 8 years?
and they want another free pass? I suspect the people supporting McCain were also all diehard Bush supporters. It would be interesting to see how they defend both who as per some are supposed to be on opposite sides now. how does that work now...

as far as democrats being represented, in all honesty I think they just probably move on because there is no debate, but trust me they are out there. it just gets tiresome being called names and being brow-beaten...

whenever I speak up (I am an independent) I usually get the attacks on myself personally, you know, I am naive, or like those people who think they are being so coy but are actually calling you stupid, or worse.

pretty soon we will have to change USA to DSA, the divided states of america.

not a tolerance from the right and too much separatism...

in my opinion
It is true for some people, but I don't think it is the majority anymore (sm)
I am white and have many friends who are different races and most of the white people I know, who do not know my other friends necessarily, are not racist. I know many white people who are voting for Obama. I also have a lot of black friends who tell me that a lot of their relatives, mostly older, are very prejudiced against white people. When will people realize that they should look at the person for who they are, not the color of their skin? But truly, I do not think it is any longer the majority who is racist. I think it is mostly older people who have the prejudices and that most people 40s and under are no longer racist, and those who are are generally very unintelligent people. By the way, I am from the deep south.
So is is the unbridled joy of throngs of hopeful Americans
that scares you so or what? Have parties and open celebrations always frightened you? Size of the crowd? Security that seeks to keep a potential President elect alive? Urban Chicago? What exactly is it that has you so spooked?
Meet The (White) Man Who Inspired Wright's Controversial Sermon

I was reading on ABC.com and found this article in the comments section. I don't know much about the Huffington Post, so this may be taken with a grain of salt. I thought it was interesting though.


Meet The (White) Man Who Inspired Wright's Controversial Sermon
Sam Stein
The Huffington Post
March 21, 2008


Meet the man who inspired Reverend Jeremiah Wright's now famous tirade about America's foreign policy inciting the terrorist attacks of September 11.


His name is Ambassador Edward Peck. And he is a retired, white, career U.S. diplomat who served 32-years in the U.S. Foreign Service and was chief of the U.S. mission to Iraq under Jimmy Carter -- hardly the black-rage image with which Wright has been stigmatized.


In fact, when Wright took the pulpit to give his post-9/11 address -- which has since become boiled down to a five second sound bite about "America's chickens coming home to roost" -- he prefaced his remarks as a "faith footnote," an indication that he was deviating from his sermon.


"I heard Ambassador Peck on an interview yesterday," Wright declared. "He was on Fox News. This is a white man and he was upsetting the Fox News commentators to no end. He pointed out, a white man, an ambassador, that what Malcolm X said when he got silenced by Elijah Muhammad was in fact true: America's chickens are coming home to roost."


Wright then went on to list more than a few U.S. foreign policy endeavors that, by the tone of his voice and manner of his expression, he viewed as more or less deplorable. This included, as has been demonstrated in the endless loop of clips from his sermon, bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki and nuking "far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye."


"Violence begets violence," Wright said, "hatred begets hatred, and terrorism begets terrorism."


And then he concluded by putting the comments on Peck's shoulders: "A white ambassador said that yall, not a black militant, not a reverend who preaches about racism, an ambassador whose eyes are wide open and is trying to get us to wake up and move away from this dangerous precipice... the ambassador said that the people we have wounded don't have the military capability we have, but they do have individuals who are willing to die and take thousands with them... let me stop my faith footnote right there."


Watch the video (the relevant material starts around the 3:00 mark):


So it seems that while Wright did believe American held some responsibility for 9/11, his views, which have been described as radically outside the political mainstream, were actually influenced by a career foreign policy official.


Who is Peck? The ambassador, who has offered controversial criticism of Israeli policy in the West Bank but also warned against the Iraq War, was lecturing on a cruise ship and was unavailable for comment. But officials at Peck's former organization, the Council for the National Interest, a non-profit group that advocates reducing Israel's influence on U.S. Middle East policy, offered descriptions of the man.


"Peck is very outspoken," said Eugene Bird, who now heads CNI. "He is also very good at making phrases that have a resonance with the American people. When he came off of that Fox News, a few days later he said they would never invite me back again."


And what, exactly, did Peck say in that Fox News interview that inspired Wright's words?


Here are some quotes from an appearance the Ambassador made on the network on October 11, 2001, which may or may not have been the segment Wright was referring to. On the show, Peck said he thought it was illogical to tie Saddam Hussein to the terrorist attacks on 9/11, and that while the then-Iraqi leader had "some very sound and logical reasons not to like [the United States]," he and Osama bin Laden had no other ties.


From there, Peck went on to ascribe motives for what prompted the 9/11 attacks. "Stopping the economic embargo and bombings of Iraq," he said, "things to which Osama bin Laden has alluded as the kinds of things he doesn't like. He doesn't think it's appropriate for the United States to be doing, from his perspective, all the terrible things that he sees us as having been doing, the same way Saddam Hussein feels. So from that perspective, they have a commonality of interests. But they also have a deeply divergent view of the role of Islam in government, which would be a problem."


Not tolerant of people who mislead and slander, invent fiction and then say it's true.

That's true - and Barack Obama is a true Patriot too.
Again we can agree to disagree. How John McCain has voted goes against everything I want as a President, but there are an equal number of people to me who feel opposite. That's the way it goes.

Your last comment brought to mind how true that is. Being a true patriot is not harmful in a candidate. John McCain is a patriot. So is Barack Obama.
So you and your daughter have no problem with people who wish for people and their children sm
to burn in hell, call people's children ugly, etc. etc.  Well, you might not BE gt, but you might as well be.  Even the liberals don't agree with gt, or hadn't you noticed?  You might want to check that out and while you are at it, the conservative board has been a regular play pen since the liberals stopped their hateful dive bombing.  In fact, some really good conversations are taking place over there between both sides, which DOES NOT happen on this site. 
Bored people are BORING people.
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Is that how your people justify killing people?

Everything you said is true and can be

easily seen by just reading the board.


At least it can be seen by most of us.


But it IS true.
I saw a feature on it. They had videotapes of the recruiters coaching the kids on how to pass a urine drug screen.  It is absolutely true. 
I don't think that is true at all. sm
I think a lot of people are pretty sick of Cindy and her histrionics.  I don't see it as political at all.  A lot of people aren't going to sit by this time for another Vietnam where the antiwar crowd totally influenced the way the war was run.
Not true. sm
They are pro troops and pro Israel.  You are definitely not reading that board right. Is it the guns that offend you?  Or the war with Islamic radicals who all want us dead?  I mean, what EXACTLY offends you the most? 
LOL!!! Oh how true! nm

Not true
Re-upped?  He joined the military because all his friends did.  Read Cindy's description of how he got hoodwinked into going.  Re-upped?  No.
LOL. I like that...so true...nm
When in doubt, blame Clinton.
the true me
Happy and peaceful but when I deal with rabid conservatives attacking me..I attack back..Happy and peaceful in my life and in my beliefs, you bet, totally..I can sleep well at night cause I know my ideology/politics help people, I help people..I am an extremely happy peaceful accepting person..However, when I get attacked, I can give as good as I get..I do have to say, the net does not show the true person, so I dont see the true you and you dont see the true me..I have met people who I have only known in the net and when we met, we became friends..So I would take with a grain of salt the impression you get of people over the net..we are much more..
So true sm
That clip would be hilarious if it were not so true.  It is frightening how true it is.
It's true. SM
I remember Nan talking about it.  It was way way back when some of us used to put our e-mails on line here. 
This is SO true.nm
nm
True that is.
Lesson good.
Even if that was true (and I don't believe it is), so what?

The one thing the radical right wing HATES is the fact that we have freedom of religion in this country.  We are all free (so far, anyway) to believe in whatever religion we choose.  It might be Christianity, or it might be something else.  Why does it even concern YOU how many Democrats are Christian?  It's simply none of your business, yet you want to jump to conclusions that may or may not be true and judge an entire group of people based upon religious beliefs, some of which might be different from yours.


This is my main problem with the radical Christian right.  They don't seem to believe that other religions are just as good as theirs.  They believe theirs is the best, and anyone who doesn't share their specific religious beliefs are judged to be inferior people.  You want to force your narrow views on everyone, and surely you must know that just isn't going to happen in America.


However, if Americans don't wake up soon and if you manage to wreck America and turn it into a theocracy, I can and WILL move to Canada in a heartbeat to escape your religious bigotry.  By the way, wasn't that the reason this country was formed to begin with -- to end religious persecution?


I can only wonder why YOU haven't been nominated for Supreme Court justice, since you seem to have the only qualification required by Bush.


Oh, that's right.  You're obviously not one of his close personal *friends* who worships him like a god and licks his boots.


Why should she? It's true!

NOT TRUE!

MT was responding to a CHALLENGE to people to put their *money where their mouth is* and if they think this war is so *noble,* then why don't they either enlist or sign up for civilian services over there.


MT said she WILL.  NO PROBLEM. SHE WILL.


No spin.  They are her words.  She didn't say *might* or *would* or *maybe.*  She said she WILL.


You're the one who's doing the spinning.


I know it's not true.

Completely false and irresponsible.


Yes, well, that may be true.

And this board is intolerant and extremely violently angry. 


Now this isn't true.
I am disappointed in you, PK.  We had a pretty good conversation on here at one time.  I actually thought there was some communication and I have enjoyed posting here. I never sidetracked anything or anyone. I was on topic.  However, many of the questions I have asked her in response to allegations have never ever been answered.  Why is that?
How true.

LOL!  If I didn't know in advance that this paragraph was about Ann Coultergeist, I would have sworn you were describing the Conservative Board.


I know. Everything you said is true.

I hope you have a great 4th, LVMT. 


Not true
but nice try. :)
So true.
But more and more Americans are waking up every day and seeing how they have been deceived by this administration.  I doubt that any of the die-hards on these boards will ever change their minds and see what's in front of their noses, but the good news is they represent an increasing minority in the USA today.  :-)
This is true, we should be able to
hear the debate, but I have a problem with Bush debating anything...he is so embarrassing whenever he speaks...so embarrassing.  We NEED a STATESMAN!!! and someone who has a command of the English language.  Oh plleeeeze. (thud)
Not true...

It's rare that the baby is full term, but not all ectopic pregnancies fail.


Just thought I'd clear that up.  :)


K


if what you say is true

Then by golly the Republicans surely have gone downhill a long, long, long ways recently.  Especially if you judged them by the surly cruel posts made by the Republicans on this board!


Morally bankrupt Republicans with Annie Coulter at the helm!!!!  He-he-he-he.. That ship is gonna sink!!


This is true.
But I have noticed that you always are civil.  I think you are the only one on this board who keeps a level head, even when you come to the other board. Just an observation.
What you say is true,
but their president is cutting off his nose to spite his face. If we would just give him enough rope to hang himself I think he will take himself out. I understand he has become very unpopular, ignoring completely the platform he was elected on and the people are not happy. I believe he will be deposed one way or another and perhaps we will not have to invade yet a third country.
This is true, and here's why. sm
Or at least one reason why.  When Rosie O'Donnell practically glorifies Sheik Mohammed on her show, not one voice from the liberals decrying this is heard.  When the protesters marched and some of the signs were horrible, then burned a soldier in effigy, and in Arizona, dragged an American soldier effigy through the streets reminiscent of Somalia, not one voice from the Democrats is heard saying this is not right.  I think the whole party has slid all the way down the slippery slope and over the edge. 
That is just not true.
I don't know what you are reading or listening to but I know it is not me. I never gave a thought to global warming or abortion as being associated with VT. I was comparing the deaths of innocents. I don't hate Bush and he is NOT conservative. He is a BIG SPENDER for one thing and that is not a conservative trait. I am sorry that you believe that everything I say stems from a hatred for Bush. It doesn't. I believed as I do now for most of my life, a little tempered by age, but about as bleeding-heart without being dead as one can be. You know as well as I that many real conservatives in his own party, moderates on both sides have been concerned with the spending, the incompetence over and over because friends are put into positions that they are not qualified for and they have been voicing their concern for some time. It's not about Bush, it really really isn't. It is about (in the big long-term picture) a government out of control and a country spinning out of control right behind it and no one is doing anything about it.