I'm becoming more hopeful by the day. By 2012, the chickens
Posted By: will be coming home to roost and... on 2009-06-20
In Reply to: I truly do believe that some people - Trigger Happy
...a lot of voters will have lost their enchantment with the "idea" of voting for a President on the basis of his race or his superficial, glib mannerisms. In fact, if the Democrats themselves continue on the path they're starting to follow, I'm not entirely sure he'll be renominated!
The press can't change any of this, either. About 80% of the American population doesn't even watch the evening news on any of the so-called "main" networks.
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A little hopeful
I'm sure someone will blast me for this, but over the past few days I haven't felt completely hopeless where politics are concerned. It started with a town hall meeting with my area's representatives. They really listened to the fact that people in my town are losing their jobs and their homes very, very quickly. They seemed to understand the urgency to start fixing the problems. Now, that could be because they were in a fairly small room with lots of angry people! - but I was glad to see them show some emotion and not be so detached from the people they're supposed to represent.
Then, last night on the debate, I felt like the Democratic candidates actually GET it. It could be because President Bush so obviously does NOT get it, but it was refreshing to see them address the issues that are important to middle class families.
Did anyone else watch the debate? I must say, I watch them and I seem to go from Barack Obama to Hillary Clinton every time. Clinton is a fighter and my gut tells me that's what we need to pull us up by our bootstraps. Having said that, I'm a little concerned that there will be a McCain vs. Clinton match up. I would hope that she would win on the basis of the war and economy, but a lot can change between now and the election.
I wish I was hopeful for the future.
I am actually not proud to be an American. I actually want to move to another country, maybe Canada, Switzerland, Italy, Ireland? US scares me now with all these human rights. I wish it was back in the 50's.
you got the suffix wrong - it's hopeful
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I do want people to be inspired and hopeful if it is true...sm
just don't want everyone to feel let down later.
So is is the unbridled joy of throngs of hopeful Americans
that scares you so or what? Have parties and open celebrations always frightened you? Size of the crowd? Security that seeks to keep a potential President elect alive? Urban Chicago? What exactly is it that has you so spooked?
Chickens
I'm not counting mine until they're hatched. I learned in 2000 that anything can happen in an election.
I do applaud the grace and dignity you exhibited in your post, though. 
They do them just like they do chickens..(sm)
Through the miracle of steroids you can have a 6-week-old chickadee that looks and tastes like a full grown chicken. The whole industry is kind of disgusting. And people wonder why I have a big garden.
I'm not counting my chickens yet.
Not unlike the leaders of this country, those chickens might appear healthy on the surface, yet be harboring something very dangerous and deadly inside.
I don't think it takes much for any reasonable person to fill in the blanks of what really happened here. Wilson told the truth and disagreed with Bush. Bush doesn't like the truth and particularly doesn't like people who disagree with him. Therefore, the messenger must be destroyed. If that includes an undercover CIA operative and all the people she worked with it, well, that just makes the revenge sweeter. Period.
If anyone else did it, it would be considered treason. If Bush does it, it's merely dirty politics.
The real question now is: IS it illegal or just dirty politics as usual in Washington? In my book, it's certainly immoral, unethical and I especially agree with the last paragraph of the article when it refers to our democracy being hijacked on the way to war.
I would love to see these scumbags indicted, and the only person I have any faith in IS Fitzgerald. I believe if something illegal occurred, Fitzgerald will indict.
Anyone who paid attention to these elections knows how the Bush camp works. Look what they did to John Kerry's courageous military service, when Bush himself was too much of a coward to put his own life in danger.
GT, I hope we all can survive the next 3 years. Between avian flu, terrorism and a president whose hobby is playing GI Joe for REAL, I'm not very hopeful.
I'm looking for a reason to smile this week. I hope Mr. Fitzgerald provides one. To see that honesty and accountability are still alive and well in the U.S. and that all has NOT been lost would definitely make me smile. 
Don't count your chickens...
I wouldn't be so sure about an Obama victory just yet. I seem to recall that not just four months ago, everyone thought the nominee was going to be Hillary and you see how that one turned out!
Don't count your chickens...
...until they're hatched.
The timing of this whole Israeli mess is very interesting. Don't count out martial law just yet, in case there's a "terror attack" on the USA or some other scheme going on in Washington. 
Sorry for you ......you think chickens and humans
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It's a dark day in America when voters dare to feel inspired and hopeful?
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Don't count your chickens before they are hatched
Truth of the matter is we don't know who will win. The polls mean didly. I've said it before and I'll say it again - They don't mean anything. Even Rasmussen was interviewed and he said you cannot tell by polls who is ahead and a lot of it has to do with the media and their love affair with Obama and how they are manipulating what they are feeding you. The real poll will be on 11/4 after the election is held or the next day.
Oh, and your comments can go both ways -
What's going to happen to the rabid democrats when McCain wins?
Will their anger fade away or are we going to see riots in the streets because a black man didn't win with Farrakan leading the way?
Will they accept a McCain presidency, or are they going to remaind divided like they always have while pointing the finger that the other side won't work with them.
What's going to happen when they find out that their "lord" Obama was actually born in Kenya and there is a birth certificate to prove it, which makes him disqualified to run as president. Will his good friend (the leader of Kenya) be able to keep this silenced for long. He already threw one person in jail for getting too close - will he be able to jail everyone who wants to know the truth.
Will Franks, Dodd & others who benefitted from FMFM and threw the economy into a near depression be men and own up to their mistakes or will they sit on their hands and continue to blame the republicans.
I don't have to ask if they will undermine the progress to make themselves look better. They have already been doing that and they will continue on.
Domestic terrorists you ask? We don't have to look any further than Obama's close friends William Ayers, his good freinds in Pakistan whom he spent time over there with, and his friends from the Muslim schools he attended while growing up as a Muslim.
If I had known back then what I know now about Obama, I would have voted for Hillary. At least we know about her. It's what Obama is hiding about himself that HAS to make you wonder.
The questions still remains...
Why do so many people not care if we have a president who has ties/friends to known terrorists?
Why do so many people not care that their taxes will go up and they'll be left with less money to live on.
Why do so many people just blatantly ignore the facts about Obama, which is NOT, I repeat NOT a good direction for our country to go.
Why do so many people not care if they elect this guy our country will be turned to a socialist country. Are there really that many of you that don't have a lot so you believe that the people who have worked so hard all of their lives should just give you part of what they have worked for?
Why do so many people not care what happens to our country?
Why do so many people not care that our country will not be safe anymore?
Why do so many people not even care about 9/11 and everything we have done to keep our country safe since then. Lets just throw it all away and vote in this radical muslim. Why? Because it's PC?
Why do so many people believe him when he says he won't raise your taxes, when in fact his voting records shows that he voted to raise taxes over 50 times in the past, but now that he's running for President and telling you that he won't raise your taxes you believe him? Why?
There are too many why's and such an unsettling feeling. Sure McCain may not be my first choice, but between the two he is the better choice.
The election isn't over, and its with views like yours that I hope martial law is implimented and McCain is placed in the position. If that happens it will serve you right!
chickens and doves and cows etc....
I know what's going on.
I am a vegetarian!
Therefore!
the reason for young chickens...
is to keep costs low, so we can afford them--remember that chicken used to be very expensive. However, withdrawal times on steroids are such that chickens are not given steroids because they won't pass FDA standards. They are fed antibiotics in their water because with SO many in one chicken house, they are very vulnerable to disease, but no growth hormones or steroids. The faster maturing birds are due to selective breeding (short gestation=fast change). That is also why everything tastes like chicken. With the faster maturing young birds we eat, the meat actually has very little taste, so it is not as much that other things taste like chicken as it is that chicken does not really taste like anything. (I spent many unhappy classed in STINKY chicken houses in college). I HATE chickens! and Turkeys! but I do like to eat them.
Haha - I guess this poster goes to bed with the chickens
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Here's what I would like to see by 2012
1. Get rid of the electoral college. It's obsolete and completely out of touch with its constituents now. It was necessary when it was instituted - the country was young with a large portion of its population being illiterate, without the technology for communication we have today, etc.
2. No more presidential candidates/elections. Let's put all the issues on a nation-wide ballot and vote. Decide what we, as a nation, want to do about all of the national issues.
3. Once we have our voted decisions on the national issues, hire a President to carry out what the nation has decided to do. Provide the criteria to be realized for a successful employment scenario and what would constitute failure in the role. Maintain the right to terminate for failure. Bonus for success. No bonus, no severance pay for failure. Charges for corruption.
I'm done.
Not really shocking....she wants to run again in 2012.
No one knows how they are going to vote. No one knows what they are saying behind closed doors, although they give Obama lukewarm support to the public. I would not be surprised if they vote for McCain. Would not surprise me at all. Would not surprise me if they are, in unseen ways, subverting Obama's cammpaign.
And then again, maybe Bill is being honest and really feels that way. It is true, McCain has always acknowledged global warming and climate change, much to the dismay of many of his colleagues, and he does have a better record on it than Obama does. McCain has never toed the party line, and that is one of the things I like most about him.
I'm with you! Arnold 2012!!! (nm)
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Schwarzenegger 2012!!!
LOL!!!
We WILL have an election in 2012 - that is what most go by
The audacity to automatically assume Obama will serve until 2017 is what is going to get you in trouble.
Since you don't understand the simple concept let me explain it for you. Please read slowly so you can grasp reality.
Since America has had it's first president we have had elections every four years. Therefore, seeing as we have just had an election in 2008 and Obama takes office in 2009, our next election will be in 2012.
Your antics and rhetoric of just assuming that Obama will be in there for a second term I would say is a bit premature. Let's let him at least get sworn in and see what kind of a job he does as president. A lot can happen in four years. If he survives then in four years he can think of running again. If Bill Clinton had done half the stuff he did in his second term when he was in his first term he might have not had a second term. We don't know yet if Obama will be keeping his campaign promises or what kind of President he will be.
Here's some reality for you. Obama may turn out to be an absolutely fantastic president. We can all hope for that. So...he could turn out to be a good president and then again he may not be a good president. We won't know until after he has served in the role. Also, you are assuming that because GW was not a good president that every single other living republican would not be a good president and that is just not true. If you believe that then you have a very distorted viewpoint of politics. There are some very good republicans and there are some very good democrats. Just like there are some very bad republicans and there are some very bad democrats. Obama is too new and we don't know what category he falls into yet.
The truth of the matter is that we WILL have another election in four years. Which means the republican party has got four years to really get it together and pick someone that is decent to run against whoever the next democratic nominee will be, whether it is Obama or if he doesn't last whoever else they are going to put in there.
Also we have the congress/senate/house to think of - you know all those people who vote on issues and who have gotten our country in the trouble it is in now (I'm not blaming either side alone - there is plenty of blame to go around on both sides). No, sorry to burst your bubble but GW didn't crap on this country all by his little ol self. The people in the senate who vote on issues did that. So...if for the next four years we see a continuation of the decline of our country, America will probably say, enough with the democrats, we need to bring back a republican president. Not very many people are keen on the idea that every single thing is now being run by one political side. We do need a balance to our government.
One other factor to think about is all the people that Obama is appointing to his cabinet. I'm seeing on this board by a lot of posts that there are a lot of people who, while they are enthusiastic and excited that Obama was elected, they are way not excited that he keeps bringing the old Clinton people back and people who have no experience. Those were the same people who made a mess of things back then and now he's bringing them back in. What he owes them I have no idea but for him to campaign that he is the ONLY candidate who can unite the two parties and he will hire both sides to evenly balance things, that is the first campaign promise he has broken.
Lastly, without any doubt there are some scandals looming about. These are not fabrications. It's just the truth. People he was involved with and are still involved with. Who he owes favors to, the BC thing (whether or not it will get resolved is another story). There is just too much to be ignored. I do understand the loathing that people have for Bush and they would have rather elected a dog rather than another republican, therefore most were saying, so what and tried to bebunk a lot of the issues, however, the issues are real and will not be going away. Not saying that GW doesn't have his share of issues, but I'm not writing a post about GW. Anyway...with the issues that Obama has, one just doesn't know what the next four years will bring for us.
So, taking all that in account, a better approach would be to just say you hope Obama is a good president (as we all do because we want to see our country succeed) and in four years if he turns out to be good then he will be up for re-election. However to just say that its a fact that he will be in for 8 years is a bit arrogant (and nauseating).
Of course there will be an election in 2012
and with the GOP ensconced in this kind of denial and its party still in shambles, the results are a foregone conclusion. Thus, the 2929 count continues. The OP is the only prescription the GOP has to even hope to have a noticeable presence in 2012.
2012 candidate
A possible candidate. I hope so.
http://draftsanford2012.com/
None of this will matter after December 2012 anyway.
and the bickering goes on and on and on, until when? Till 2012?
Good night !
I seriously hope she's not campaigning for 2012.
I think that would be a huge mistake on her part. I think she over-estimates her popularity.
Sorry - "...will be running for office in 2012". SM
We must throw the current residents of Washington out of office, including this loony-left total disaster of a President, his cronies, and also the folks on the other side of the aisle who have become entrenched in power and have been no better in representing the middle-of-the-road Americans who by far constitute the majority in this country.
Let's CLEAN HOUSE!
In 2012 none of our votes will matter, if anyone
The signs will be obvious and the end will be eminent. You should worry less about politics and more about your soul, as should we all.
American undeveloped nation by 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqW1-aA5aMg
Did he decide to cancel the 2012 election? (nm)
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With the vast wasteland that is the GOP 2012 field of contenders
don't expect her to come out from under the microscope anytime soon. Nailin Palin will become a national passtime at least until then. It is helpful to document anything and everything along the way so that patterns of behavior and subsequent analysis can be backed up with concrete data, not smear, innuendo and baseless accusations. Pretty much, that's how elections are won, or lost, depending on where you're coming from.
If Palin pursues prez bid in 2012, lies matter.
All of them. Vigilent watch on Obama is the order of the day and pervades dialog on this forum. Doesn't hurt to start the SP watch now, document it well and be prepared.
as opposed to the vast wasteland of one (Obama) demigod in 2012...
and I read that McCain failed to endorse her for 2012 in an interview - nm
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Nope, 4 years 11 days (1471 days or 1383 til 11/4/2012)
You do really need to learn how to count until 11/4/2012 or 1/20/2013.
Also, sorry to hear in four years you won't care anymore.
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