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The Holy Bible is God's inspired,

Posted By: MTfromLA on 2009-05-25
In Reply to: I'll answer this one - sbMT

unerred, holy word. Now, Be you JTBB or whoever, you are smart enough to know what kind of question you are asking here.

There are critics who want us to give them all the answers to tough questions like, "where did Cain get his wife?" Well, the Bible doesn't tell us. If God had wanted us to know, He would have told us. The Bible doesn't tell us everything, but it does tell us all we need to know in this life. God wants us to ask questions, and He will answer many of those questions. But we must know that complete understanding will only come when we see the Lord face to face.

Now, for other faith-based questions, you are on the forum.


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Men who were divinely inspired by sm
God. If you had a relationship with Jesus Christ (and I hope you do before its too late), you would realize and know this.

I will trust the Bible and its author God before I will trust the opinions of those who don't believe.
Yep. It is our turn to be inspired. They need to book her a stadium....
lol
I do want people to be inspired and hopeful if it is true...sm
just don't want everyone to feel let down later.
Meet The (White) Man Who Inspired Wright's Controversial Sermon

I was reading on ABC.com and found this article in the comments section. I don't know much about the Huffington Post, so this may be taken with a grain of salt. I thought it was interesting though.


Meet The (White) Man Who Inspired Wright's Controversial Sermon
Sam Stein
The Huffington Post
March 21, 2008


Meet the man who inspired Reverend Jeremiah Wright's now famous tirade about America's foreign policy inciting the terrorist attacks of September 11.


His name is Ambassador Edward Peck. And he is a retired, white, career U.S. diplomat who served 32-years in the U.S. Foreign Service and was chief of the U.S. mission to Iraq under Jimmy Carter -- hardly the black-rage image with which Wright has been stigmatized.


In fact, when Wright took the pulpit to give his post-9/11 address -- which has since become boiled down to a five second sound bite about "America's chickens coming home to roost" -- he prefaced his remarks as a "faith footnote," an indication that he was deviating from his sermon.


"I heard Ambassador Peck on an interview yesterday," Wright declared. "He was on Fox News. This is a white man and he was upsetting the Fox News commentators to no end. He pointed out, a white man, an ambassador, that what Malcolm X said when he got silenced by Elijah Muhammad was in fact true: America's chickens are coming home to roost."


Wright then went on to list more than a few U.S. foreign policy endeavors that, by the tone of his voice and manner of his expression, he viewed as more or less deplorable. This included, as has been demonstrated in the endless loop of clips from his sermon, bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki and nuking "far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye."


"Violence begets violence," Wright said, "hatred begets hatred, and terrorism begets terrorism."


And then he concluded by putting the comments on Peck's shoulders: "A white ambassador said that yall, not a black militant, not a reverend who preaches about racism, an ambassador whose eyes are wide open and is trying to get us to wake up and move away from this dangerous precipice... the ambassador said that the people we have wounded don't have the military capability we have, but they do have individuals who are willing to die and take thousands with them... let me stop my faith footnote right there."


Watch the video (the relevant material starts around the 3:00 mark):


So it seems that while Wright did believe American held some responsibility for 9/11, his views, which have been described as radically outside the political mainstream, were actually influenced by a career foreign policy official.


Who is Peck? The ambassador, who has offered controversial criticism of Israeli policy in the West Bank but also warned against the Iraq War, was lecturing on a cruise ship and was unavailable for comment. But officials at Peck's former organization, the Council for the National Interest, a non-profit group that advocates reducing Israel's influence on U.S. Middle East policy, offered descriptions of the man.


"Peck is very outspoken," said Eugene Bird, who now heads CNI. "He is also very good at making phrases that have a resonance with the American people. When he came off of that Fox News, a few days later he said they would never invite me back again."


And what, exactly, did Peck say in that Fox News interview that inspired Wright's words?


Here are some quotes from an appearance the Ambassador made on the network on October 11, 2001, which may or may not have been the segment Wright was referring to. On the show, Peck said he thought it was illogical to tie Saddam Hussein to the terrorist attacks on 9/11, and that while the then-Iraqi leader had "some very sound and logical reasons not to like [the United States]," he and Osama bin Laden had no other ties.


From there, Peck went on to ascribe motives for what prompted the 9/11 attacks. "Stopping the economic embargo and bombings of Iraq," he said, "things to which Osama bin Laden has alluded as the kinds of things he doesn't like. He doesn't think it's appropriate for the United States to be doing, from his perspective, all the terrible things that he sees us as having been doing, the same way Saddam Hussein feels. So from that perspective, they have a commonality of interests. But they also have a deeply divergent view of the role of Islam in government, which would be a problem."


It's a dark day in America when voters dare to feel inspired and hopeful?
rasberries
Holy cow..............
#34 would scare the crap out of me. This is no different than him and his corrupt ACORN encouraging lending institutions to give home mortgages to those who don't qualify as well. No difference there except in a few years, we'll all be bailing out small businesses because thousands were given loans they didn't deserve.

Reform bankruptcy laws. They've already been reformed. Too many over the years getting themselves in a deep hole on their own and wanting to bail and not pay their bills. Not sure what he thinks is going to be different there. Of course, this would fly in the face of #25 altogether but who cares, it's all good, butterflies and buttercups!!

All these expanding family medical leave act and flexible work arrangements just tell me how out of touch he really is with small businesses. There is no way businesses with a handful of employees could continue to function with that stuff. He has no business mandating that; that will only hurt many business owners who are forced to let an employee leave and no doubt, with Obama at the helm, with pay which will put the businesses under in a heartbeat; only he uses encourage companies to adopt paid leave policies, which in some way will turn into do it or else.

20. Create network of public-private business incubators.
Wow - that would mean doing business with state/feds. Government involvement again. Bad, bad, bad.

15. Create National Infrastructure Investment Bank - bad, very bad - I see government involvement -- bad, very bad.

One thing you failed to mention, how do you propose he pay for all this? Who is going to pay all the NEW positions appointed to see that ALL this gets done? WE ARE! Notice you don't actually see the words "tax increase" anywhere? The big white elephant in the room not being talked about.



Holy cow, where have you been? There's
a list a mile long of all his questionable associations and those known for a fact he is associated with. You just choose to ignore it. Everyone from terrorists to real estate corruption, one realtor involved in serious corruption whom Obama bought his home from at a REAL GOOD DEAL! Yea, no association there. Every time you turn around, this guy is buddies with some real bad folks.

Believe what you want though.
Holy cow is all I can say

Cos I can't say the other word after holy on this board.  Watch the video clip.  Before I watched it I thought Ayers?  So what, he's just disgruntled.  Wright?  Who cares, but after watching this video clip I have never been so truly utterly disgusted and nauseated ever that I can remember.  I want to shout at the top of my voice if I could like Rev. James David Manning....what is wrong with people!  Why can't they see it.  Anyway..here is the video.


http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=cH7kT4xwddg&eurl=http://larrysinclair-0926.blogspot.com/


 


 


Yes, they scare the holy
and I consider myself a Christian. I just don't see the Christian in a LOT of what these people advocate. Looks, smells, and feels more like a political power grab.

This is a good one:

Bush and the Bible: A Letter to George Bush

Dear President Bush,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from you and understand why you would propose and support a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage. As you said in the eyes of God marriage is based between a man a woman. I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination... End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them.

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is, my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2. clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

7. Lev.21:20 states that I may ! not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle- room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

holy moly!
That would explain a few things wouldn't it? I was surprised when I heard Clinton came out ahead considering the numbers from the day before showing Obama ahead by a landslide. However, I did anticipate that he wouldn't take New Hampshire. But why on earth would Clinton's group care about Paul? So far, he is not even on the radar as a potential threat to her.
Especially among the radical and oh-so-holy
Incredibly homophobic, too. Ever hear anything so silly as that 'pray-away-the-gay' convention going on up in Palin's hometown?
Holy crap...I believe in everything

Al Queda says.  Sheesh.  Are you friggin kidding me?  Who isn't to say they are just saying this to scare people into ushering in Obama because they like him.  Besides, as for McCain following Bush's failed war.....we are winning....the surge was successful....get a clue. 


Do you honestly think that if AL Queda does something to us that Obama will just sit back and not do anything?  Obama has said he will not take military action off of the table.  So this whole.....Obama will stop the war crap.......you can't count on that because you don't know what those freaky psychotic terrorists have up their sleeves.  It all sounds good as another failed promise though huh....I will stop the war.  Just like he won't raise taxes on middle class even though raising taxes on businesses will trickle down to us and they will jack up prices of their products and we will pay for the tax hike that way....not to include the fact that all of Obama's plans cannot be covered by taxing the rich alone and he will have to raise taxes on the rest of us folks as well.....WAKE UP AMERICA!


Holy cow! You could use some religion...
Muslim or otherwise!! 
holy cow honey...
calm down. I simply was stating that gay is not the cultural norm. There was nothing in my post having anything to do with violent or anything else that you are talking about. It is not "typical" to be gay, whether you like it or not. If you dislike me for not sharing your particular opinions, so be it. I can live with that.
Holy cow. A serious post.
I would be awestruck, except it is "know what," not "no what." Nice use of "whomever" though.
Holy trainwreck Batman...

 Good grief, how things morph. I will answer a couple of things I read down the long, very very long thread that evolved from this post. First, I put liberals only, not as an invitation to read as someone suggested but as a heads up that if you are not liberal you will not like this. The writer, I believe, spiced this piece up with humor...ergo, the feral eyes making her look like all 4 of the Horsemen..come on, that was funny, and my most favorite line in the whole thing was that our Christian nation upholds the death penalty (I am paraphrasing I know) without an ounce of cognitive dissonance. Now that was good. I personally have heard Coulter say she is Christian on a couple of occasions. As I have said, I don't watch her if I can help it, but the few times I have seen her, she has brought up the fact that she is a Christian. I agree with the writer; I think I may want to find a new moniker for what it is I believe because if Coulter is Christian then evidently I am something else because I thankfully and gratefully am not 1 scintilla predisposed as she is.


And Ward Churchill...he is a quite accomplished writer and educator  I have 2 books of his that deal with the American Indian and the boarding school debacle. They were very well written and researched. When I first heard what he had said I wasn't sure what he even meant. It sounded pretty off the wall to me and I still think so and I still think he owes an apology to the victims' families. I have an idea of where he was coming from, being a half breed myself, but nonetheless, he should not have said it or found a much different way of saying what he meant. Aho. Soft Winds.


Holy cow! Even the llamas sat down in protest.

As far as your imagined knowledge of where I get my information, I refer you back to your very own post above: 


You infer that you know how and where I get my information.  If you're so freaking clairvoyant then what are you doing here?  The elitism just oozes from you.


You made a fine point in your other post:  Those in glass houses best not throw stones.


Do you practice what you preach?


I don't know if you took the time to actually read the article I posted.  Nowhere in my post did I negatively pass judgment on you, as you have me.  Everywhere in my post, I discussed how and why I feel the way I do and I stuck to the issues. 


What made me suspicious that the White House was behind the Israeli-Lebanon war was simply the sense of deja vu all over again, as if I were viewing the summer rerun of the Iraqi war because it was all carried out Bush style: 


1.  The use of shock and awe.


2.  The feeling that the Israelis could easily win against Hezbollah when in fact Israeli troops also encountered fierce resistance from Hezbollah guerrillas, who took a page from the Iraqi insurgents by using explosive booby traps and ambushes to inflict heavier than expected casualties on the Israelis. 


3.  Not enough troops deployed.


4.  Reservists complaining of not being supplied with enough body armor.


5.  Other soldiers found equipment to be either inferior or inappropriate for battlefield conditions.


6.  And once again, animals proved they are smarter than humans: One Israeli plan to use llamas to deliver supplies in the rugged terrain of south Lebanon turned into an embarrassment when the animals simply sat down.


The only element that was missing was the mythical claim that they would be greeted as liberators but who knows?  Maybe all those roses just couldn't be delivered because the roads in Lebanon had been destroyed.


I totally agree that there are radical Muslims who want to kill us.  What I totally disagree with is Bush's belief that everything can be solved with bombs.  The United States is quickly becoming the most hated country in the world because of Bush's total lack of diplomacy, and I'm afraid that he is only provoking more terror attacks as a result. 


The world doesn't like to be bullied by a country with a president that clearly wants to dominate the world.  Ask the Soviet Union.  Whoops.  Sorry.  The Soviet Union doesn't exist any more, do they?  At least for the time being.  I personally predict that even though Bush claims to know Putin's heart, we're soon going to discover that you can't take the KGB out of the Russian, and maybe, just maybe they're finding pure greedy capitalism isn't all it's hyped up to be.  I believe Putin is going to prove to be a very dangerous and painful thorn in America's side, only proving once again that Bush's judgment is very poor.


I'd be glad to debate you further, but if you're going to continue to make it personal, pretending to know who I am, what I feel and where I get my news, then I'm not interested in communicating with you any further and once again refer you to your very own quote to another poster:  You infer that you know how and where I get my information.  If you're so freaking clairvoyant then what are you doing here?  The elitism just oozes from you.


Holy crap....I teared up on that one.

I can't even imagine knowing that I was alive only because the abortion my mom tried to have failed.  I know my mom was given the option of abortion with me because she was older and they were afraid it would put too big of a strain on her kidneys.  Thankfully, my mom refused.


What I have NEVER understood is how abortion is not considered murder and you can legally have an abortion.  However, if a pregnant woman is shot in the abdomen and her unborn child is killed, the gunman can be put on trial for murder or if the unborn child and mother both die it is considered a double murder.  Why is it murder in one instance and not another.  It is still taking the life of an unborn child.  Just because one is wanted by its parent and the other isn't....so I guess that makes abortion okay since the parents don't want it....just kill it.


I'm sorry....I know you guys are tired of abortion debates.  This is just my opinion.  You all are welcome to your own opinion in this matter.  So don't bash.  If you don't agree....fine. 


in your case, maybe some holy water would help
Since you cannot be happy for anyone but yourself
Holy moley - you don't listen very well, do you?
Tell you what. You liberals seem to need everything spoon-fed to you and I've come to the conclusion that all we're doing is interfering with your mental progress.

Look up the speech and see if you can maybe figure out for yourself what he said that was disgraceful - if your mind will even allow you to consider that possibility.
Holy crap....I agree! LOL!
I couldn't care less who diddles who.  That is their business.  However, when they are using taxpayer dollars for sexual favors and rendevous.....then it becomes our business.
Recipe for Holy War: Add two nut jobs and stir.

http://www.recordonline.com/archive/2006/04/17/news-bethcolapril17-04-17.html


April 17, 2006



Recipe for Holy War: Add two nut jobs and stir
All right. I'm now officially scared.


Having just read Seymour Hersh's article about Bush's Iran plan, it appears that we no longer have a case of the good guys versus the bad guys.


What we have here is the bad guy versus the bad guy - two madmen playing an international game of chicken, ratcheting up the rhetoric to appeal to their fundamentalist followers.


There's no doubt that Iran's president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is mad in the head. In fact, it might help you remember his name if you pronounce it Ah'm mad in ee head.


He's got a uranium enrichment program going on so he can build nuclear power plants. But since he's crazy, there's a lot of worldwide concern that he's going to build a nuclear bomb while he's at it.


The U.N. atomic watchdog agency, which paid him a little visit last week, says there's no evidence that he's working on weapons. Even so, the world is feeling a little squirmy about letting Ah'm Mad In Ee Head carry on with his nuclear program. Everyone keeps asking him to quit it, but he's dug in his heels.


So that's one madman on the loose.


The other one - our very own nut job in the White House - is licking his chops over what he perceives as a stubborn challenge from Iran's president.


In last week's New Yorker magazine, Hersh provided a detailed look at Bush's response to Ah'm Mad In Ee Head. According to Hersh's sources, Bush wants Ah'm Mad In Ee Head to defy U.N. demands to quit playing with uranium.


You know why? Because our own madman wants to trot out one of our own nukes and bomb Iran's madman out of business - along with a few hundred thousand other Iranians, of course.


As one congressman told Hersh, The most worrisome thing is that Bush has a messianic vision. Bush is waging a holy war. He's on a crusade. And so is Ah'm Mad In Ee Head.


One nut-job fundamentalist Christian plus one nut-job fundamentalist Muslim equals one nut-job Holy War.


The administration's talking heads deny this, of course. They say Hersh is in fantasyland. That's funny. It's exactly what they said about Hersh when he broke the story about U.S. soldiers torturing prisoners in Abu Ghraib.


And so the rest of the world's people are as scared of George Bush as they are of Ah'm Mad In Ee Head. This unelected president of ours has systematically been dehumanizing Arabs. He's imprisoned them without charges. He's tortured them. He's killed them. And now he wants to nuke them.


He's like a child with a serious case of ADHD. He's lost interest in Iraq and is looking for a new toy to break. Iraq, after all, has turned out badly, so he's doing what he always does when he makes a mess of something - he's turning his attention elsewhere and starting a whole new mess.


The rest of the world prefers diplomacy, and for a good reason.


If Bush attacks Iran, he will unleash Hezbollah - Iran's strong, well organized terrorist organization. And who do you think Hezbollah's first target will be? The sitting ducks right next door in Iraq - American troops. Then Europe and Israel will go up in flames.


So now I'm officially scared. On their own, Bush and Ah'm Mad In Ee Head are frightening enough. Working together, these two could create the Perfect Storm.


Let's have a drink


There are 1,009 days 'til Inauguration 2009 - if we live that long. That means we'll break 1,000 next week. Let's drink a toast to Day 999 on Friday. At 7 p.m. on April 28 I'll be in the downstairs bar at Catherine's Restaurant, 153 West Main St., Goshen. If you plan to stop in, let me know so I can tell Steve at the restaurant what kind of crowd to expect.


Beth's column appears on Monday. Talk to her at 346-3147 or at bquinn@th-record.com.


Uh, really???? Cuz these Muslims seem to think jihad means Holy War. SM

I mean, they are actually saying that is what it means, so maybe you better go and educate them!  Oh those silly Muslim terrorist guys don't even know what jihad means!








Somalia Islamic militants call for jihad





By MOHAMED OLAD HASSAN, Associated Press WriterSat Dec 23, 8:55 AM ET



Somalia's Islamic militants Saturday called on foreign Muslim fighters to join their holy war against Ethiopian troops after days of fighting killed hundreds of people and threatened to engulf this volatile region.


Muslims are brothers and help each other, Sheik Yusuf Indahaadde, national security chairman for the Council of Islamic Courts, said in the capital, Mogadishu. We have a right to call our brothers and sisters to help us in this holy war, he said.


The Islamic forces have declared they want to bring the country under Quranic rule and vowed to drive out troops from neighboring Ethiopia, a largely Christian nation that is providing military support to Somalia's U.N.-backed government. Ethiopia denies its forces are fighting, saying it has sent only military trainers.


The clashes could mean a major conflict in the Horn of Africa. Ethiopia, which has one of the largest armies in the region, and its bitter rival, Eritrea, could use Somalia as the ground for a proxy war. While Ethiopia backs the internationally recognized government, Eritrea backs the Islamic movement.


In Kismayo, a strategic seaport captured from the government by Islamic militia in September, residents saw several foreign Arab fighters disembarking from ships this week.


Hundreds of people have been killed since fighting broke out Tuesday. Sporadic gunfire and shelling could be heard Friday around Baidoa, the government's only stronghold, although fighting appeared to taper off. But four Ethiopian attack helicopters and about 20 tanks were seen headed for battle, witnesses and a government official said.


Thousands of Somalis have fled their homes as troops loyal to the two-year-old interim administration fought Islamic fighters who had advanced on Baidoa, about 140 miles northwest of Mogadishu. Islamic militiamen control Mogadishu along with most of southern Somalia.


Special forces who are highly trained in guerrilla warfare are now ready to attack Ethiopians, wherever they are in Somalia, Sheik Ibrahim Shukri Abuu-Zeynab, a spokesman for the Islamic movement, told The Associated Press.


He also said the Islamists late Friday peacefully captured the Ethiopian border town of Tiyeglow, which is believed to be a main entry point for troops from the neighboring nation.


Somali Prime Minister Ali Mohamed Gedi vowed Saturday that his government will defend the people it is responsible for and Somali sovereignty. He called on the Islamic fighters to return to negotiations.


They will be responsible for any consequences that may result from rejecting our call, he said.


Government officials said more than 600 Islamic fighters had been killed during four days of clashes. Islamic militiamen said they had killed around 400 Ethiopians and government fighters. Neither claim could be independently confirmed.


U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan called on both sides to cease the hostilities immediately and to resume the peace talks, his spokesman, Stephane Dujarric, said in a statement released late Friday.


Somalia has not had an effective government since warlords overthrew longtime dictator Mohamed Siad Barre in 1991, plunging the country into chaos.


___


The point is, these Muslims say a Jihad is a Holy War. SM

I just wanted to point that out.  I just don't think in these times that they mean it any other way, no matter what the other definitions are.


holy smokes - I've started

a trend.  I'm lovin' it.  Harrumph, pop, gasp.


 


Holy crap......are you friggin kiddin me?

I typed out several paragraphs and one swear word and the cussing police is on me like stink on sh1t.  Waaaaaaah!  Boo hoo!


Seriously say something of substance to prove me wrong as I honestly don't believe I signed up for this swearing lecture. Have a great day!


NOBAMA!


Just like Holy Moly's comment above about religion. nm
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Yeah, we humans are just such glorious, HOLY little
So lets all go out and crank out more of em, til there's not an unoccupied square foot left on the earth. God will be so pleased, he'll make food fall from the skies so we wont have to starve for lack of space to grow our own.
Suzanne Hinn - Holy Ghost Enema


http://youtube.com/watch?v=2jhw_5ye8Qo


Gasp spurt holy schnikies batman, it's all conjecture.
There is not an ounce of truth or fact in it.  It's what you WISH to be and what you WANT to be, but not REALITY.  I don't listen to any of the people you listen.  You need some new talking points.  Surely the DNC gives those out regularly.  Best keep up. 
holy crap- i forgot to turn off the water in the bathtub!!!!
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It's pretty hard to respect bigots, holy rollers, and
It's merely a vehicle by which a powerful few control masses of people who have trouble thinking for themselves.
Not to mention that the "Jihaad" holy war itself was caused directly from Daddy Bush having to
rush in with Desert Storm in order to secure the oil wells, securing the oil for all his oil baron friends and himself. Bin Laden himself said that when we rushed in, we had "tainted" Muslim soil and felt he had to retaliate. Of course, these are the ravings of a madman, but Bush policies directly inflamed the already hostile Taliban fighters. Also, the Bush and Bin Laden families have a long history in the business world, and the night of September 11th, the government made it pssible for Bin Laden family members in this country to flee and not face retaliation........please look it up in the newgroups, I have seen many amazing documentaries about these facts on Discovery, History Channel, Military Channel, and some of the news channels.
Bible
I don't believe I ever stated that the bible supports abortion, if i did, that was a typo. I said that Christ did not teach on homosexuality, yet Christians can be quick to judge homosexuals.

I do not believe that the bible says one way or another, though abortion has been practiced for 1000s of years by midwives through the use of herbs.

As far as my belief in the bible, I don't believe every written word in the bible is the ispired word of God. It has been translated (and changed) by humans through the years to suit their needs. For many years, only the wealthy could read (and women generally were not allowed to), so the scriptures have been misinterpreted (in my opinion) often. I have studied Latin to try to gain some meaning from more ancient texts, but I truly believe that much of the bible is a praise work (as in the psalms) and historical, but not 100% the word of God.




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• The Antichrist comes after a falling away or apostasy. (2 Thessalonians 2:3)
     - At times forbids marriage (1 Timothy 4:3)
     - At times commands not to eat certain foods that God says are ok to eat. (1 Timothy 4:3-5)
     - Has other teachings that are devilish (1 Timothy 4:1; Acts 8:20; 1 John 3:8, 4)
• The Antichrist is revealed before the second coming of Jesus. (2 Thessalonians 2:1-3)
• The Antichrist has a visible leader. (Acts 20:30; 2 Thessalonians 2:4; Daniel 7:8)
• The Antichrist comes from within the church. (Acts 20:30; 2 Thessalonians 2:4)
• and then takes up residence in the church (2 Thessalonians 2:4)
• The Antichrist rules for a long period of time. (Revelation 13:5, 12:6, 12:14; Daniel 7:25)
• The Antichrist receives its power from the Devil. (Revelation 13:2; Revelation 12:9)
The Antichrist blasphemes God. (Revelation 13:5-6; Daniel 7:8,20,25)
• The Antichrist tries to change God's law. (Daniel 7:25)
• The Antichrist persecutes the people who keep God's law. (Revelation 13:2, 12:17, 14:12; Daniel 7:21)
• The persecution diminishes prior to the end of the Antichrist's rule. (Matthew 24:22)
• The Antichrist's long rule comes to an end. (Revelation 13:3)
• The Antichrist again regains power and prestige. (Revelation 13:3)
• The Antichrist deceives people around the world into worshipping it. (Revelation 13:3)
• Another forces people to worship the Antichrist. (Revelation 13:11-12)
• Miracles are used to deceive people into worshipping the Antichrist. (Revelation 13:13-14)
• Some resist the authority of the Antichrist so economic sanctions are then used. (Revelation 13:16)
• Some people still resist and a death decree is brought against them. (Revelation 13:15)
• The Antichrist has a mark of authority that must be avoided at all costs. (Revelation 13:16-17, 14:9-10)

"I think everyone had better get out their Bible
AIN'T IT THE TRUTH????
where in the bible does it say
abortion is wrong? Don't give me the murder crap, where does it actually say ABORTION is wrong? Abortion has been going on since the beginning of time and I am pretty sure there was plenty of it going on in biblical times, yet I don't recall seeing it mentioned ANYWHERE in the bible.
The Bible for one.......... sm
and I believe I have a responsibility to uphold its laws above and beyond upholding the right of perverts to access p*rn in the library while my child happens to see it.

I do believe morality has flown right out the window here. I think I need a shower now after participating in this thread with you.
Says who? Your bible, which is nothing more than
(no pun intended, of course)
no I don't. I believe the Bible is the sm
literal word of God and I believe it from front to back. There is a difference between reading a book and "studying" a book.
The Bible
is the only recognized source of even a knowledge of God. None of us would even know God if it weren't for the Bible. You go ahead and believe that. I'm not going to be in your corner.
look beyond your Bible, so that you can
see what is going on in the REAL world, not in the BIBLE WORLD.
Bible not bad book at all...
...and should have its basic tenets taught right alongside of those of the Qur'an and the holy books of all other major world religions. Students of any age who wish to read the Bible in my opinion should certainly be able to do so anytime they wish. Same for all other holy/religious writings. A person's education really isn't complete without a fundamental understanding of all of the religions that shape our world.

I would however sign any petition that forces anyone to do anything in the spirit of indoctrination or exclusion, or against any requirement that implies that THIS is the one true holy book and you WILL read it even if your negligent atheist going-to-hell-parents wouldn't force you to do it at home (and we're coming for them soon too - better join us if you know what's good for you). Unfortunately that is how this kind of requirement is perceived by many people in our current political climate - including me. And unfortunately, I believe this is exactly the attitude held by those who try to force such requirements into the public schools.

I don't think it qualifies as a "random act of kindness" - but rather as a deliberate act of religious supremacism.


The Bible says he did not "know" her
until after Jesus was born.  What's your point?
If you truly have read the Bible then you know...
God makes no distinction for sin and lumps it all together except in a very few cases where the word *abomination* is attached, and homosexuality is one of those things. So I was not comparing a homosexual and a killer...I was comparing sins. And yes, we do sin, all of us, every day, and will have to account for that some day. But calling it other than a sin does not make it so, at least in my book. I did not call homosexuality an abomination...God did. So take your argument to Him. I choose to believe what He said. I do not hate anyone, I do not treat gays any differently than anyone else as fellow human beings. I have been lied to, stolen from...I don't hate those people, but I don't condone what they did. However, I do not condone homosexuality, any more than I condone lying, stealing, murder or any other sin. You can love an individual but not approve of the sin. That is what, I believe, treating others as you would be treated means. Treat the person with dignity without condoning the behavior. I don't believe in abortions, but I do not condone blowing up abortion clinics or shooting abortion doctors. I do not believe in changing laws to accept aberrant behavior, and we seem to keep trying to go down that road. Years ago, you are right...premarital sex did go on, but it was called what it was...a sin and something that should not be done. No longer the case. Same with homosexuality...it has gone on since time immemorial. But it was called wrong. There used to be laws against it in the US. No longer the case. What next? Polygamy? Bestiality? Necromancy? You say that could never happen here. Thirty years ago your parents probably would never have thought that adultery would be celebrated as entertainment news, premarital sex celebrated on prime time TV, and gay marriage becoming law. Just be careful what you wish for. You just might get it. We have experienced a big moral decline in this country and frankly, it did not begin with conservative Americans.

My opinion only...don't attack all conservatives for what I say. Opinions differ. That is mine.
What does Nostradamus have to do with the bible? sm
Besides, wasn't what Nostradamus wrote so vague that it could be interpreted to 'predict' anything and everything... or nothing at all, depending on how it was interpreted?
Read your Bible. The

antichrist will come from Rome or EU.  Obama as the antichrist is absurd.


Uh, last I checked, the Bible said
to help those less fortunate than you, NOT those who just don't want to work but just want to collect money from the government for doing nothing.


VOTING ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE
I AGREE.
Like the Bible says...."many shall come in my name..."
saying you are a Christian does not make you one.
I don't read the bible
And I don't want to.

Don't get me wrong. I've read it. I decided at a pretty young age that it's a fairy tale that for the most part was written by a lot of people who weren't around when Jesus was & that didn't have all that much to do with reality. If it works for you, fine. I don't need to read in some book what the right thing to do is, & I don't assign any particular importance to Jesus. I find it irritating, condescending and naive for someone to suggest that I should "know Jesus" and have my life saved.

It's possible to think all of the above and still be a moral person, & what makes a lot of (not all) Christians narrow-minded is their belief that this isn't so, but they unfortunately can't see this from the narrow place from which they operate. Do I believe in God? I believe in the godhead; the life force; the force that drives the green shoot up, as Dylan Thomas would say; the inferno of activity in the nucleus of every cell... Do I believe this life force manifests as a person? Sure I do. The godhead is in everyone. Jesus didn't have any more of a hotline to the godhead than any of us has. The thing that makes a lot of (not all) Christians narrow-minded is their belief that "God" only speaks "Christian." This concept is too ridiculous for words. The godhead "speaks" every religious "language." I put this into quotes because I specifically don't personify the godhead; i.e., the godhead doesn't "do" the same things that a human body does, though in this instance it's a fairly good metaphor.

I believe that everything -- EVERYTHING -- came from the godhead. Because I'm not a Christian, I don't believe in "The devil," who is a big enough part of that religion that you really must accept the existence of the devil if you want to be Christian, & I don't think that kind of polarization is healthy, nor do I have any compulsion to externalize/personify every human impulse into a creature with horns or one that sits on a cloud or whatever. The universe creates trying, challenging scenarios of all sorts, which in the interest not just of survival but of enlightenment are our tasks to address, understand, & solve, & these would include ALL forms of religious extremism.

The bible is a book that simply doesn't interest me. There are spiritual books that do interest me for their complexity and illumination, but I don't need to live my life by any of them, & I don't need any of them to be a moral or spiritual person.

There are many religions much, much older than Christianity. The godhead was here long before any of it (& believe me, it was longer than 4000 years) & we as a species did not only obtain the capacity for enlightenment after the bible was written or after Jesus arrived.

If you "love Jesus," great. Go for it. Just don't end a conversation with some smug, proselytizing last word that in the end is just a way to think you are superior.