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about her.  I'm not voting for someone just because we are the same gender.

but not today....

First of all the statement she made about making better decisions than a white man has been taken way out of context.  The topic she was speaking about at the time was how she dealt with racial and sexist issues in her position.  Granted, it didn't come out very well, but what she was referring to was a quote from Sandra O'Connor -- "a wise old man and a wise old woman would reach the same conclusion when deciding case."  I don't think her statement is racist in the least.

As far as the firefighter suit, I think she went strictly by the law, and remarkably (and which goes against everything you are saying) she did not let race impact her decision.  Here's a little insight into her decision:

http://newmexicoindependent.com/28292/sotomayors-connecticut-firefighter-decision-upheld-civil-rights-law-stanford-prof-argues

This week, President Obama’s U.S. Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor has been called a “racist” by both conservative talk radio host Rush Limbaugh and former Speaker of the U.S. House Newt Gingrich.

But in a story on Slate, Stanford law professor Richard Thompson Ford argues Sotomayor rejected a discrimination suit brought by white and Hispanic fire fighters in New Hampshire because it “threatened to burn down civil rights law.”

The case is one of Judge Sotomayor’s decisions that has added fuel to conservatives’ fire concerned with a group of firefighters in New Haven, Connecticut, who say that the city discriminated against them when it said it would use the results of a written exam to help choose candidates for promotion, but then threw out the test when none of the black candidates, and very few of the Hispanic candidates, scored high enough on the test.

The firefighters sued and lost, and Sotomayor was part of the panel that heard their appeal. The same case is now before the U.S. Supreme Court. 

Professor Ford’s explanation is pretty wonky, but for all of us non-lawyers, it is a fascinating explanation of the way civil rights law works. As he writes: 

New Haven’s decision may sound like blatant racial favoritism, but in fact the city rejected the firefighter exam because the test violated Title VII, the federal civil rights law that prevents discrimination in employment. Title VII requires employers to consider the racial impact of their hiring and promotion procedures in order to prevent discrimination that’s inadvertent as well as intentional.

…There are two ways an employer can discriminate according to Title VII. He can intentionally discriminate by making race a factor in employment decisions — choosing a black candidate over a white candidate because he is black. Frank Ricci claims the city intentionally discriminated when it threw out the exam results because most of the people who scored high were white. An employer can also discriminate by using a selection process that has a disparate impact — in other words, that screens out a particular group for no good reason. New Haven claims that the test it tossed out had a disparate impact. Eight black, 25 white, and eight Hispanic firefighters took New Haven’s test for promotion to captain; three black, 16 white, and three Hispanic candidates passed. Nineteen black, 43 white, and 15 Hispanic firefighters took the test to become lieutenant; six black, 25 white, and three Hispanic candidates passed. This result counts as discriminatory under the rules of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. New Haven was right to worry about the possibility of a lawsuit from black firefighters if it accepted the results of the tests.

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As for the other junk that's being thrown her way, check this out:  I know you hate MSNBC, but this one is worth noting.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/

It's not a question of ignorant people voting for Obama, its a point of ignorant people in the US, regardless of which way they vote. 

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/125753.html

...to build a bigger fence.

They can't call themselves "Texaco," I guess, since the name is already taken by an oil company (of all things).

...to build a bigger fence.

They can't call themselves "Texaco," I guess, since the name is already taken by an oil company (of all things).

Either way, I agree with you.  I hope they secede, as well.

S.Amdt.4170: To protect families, family farms and small businessees by extending the income tax rate structure, raising the death tax exemption to $5 million and reducing the maximum death tax rate to no more than 35%; to keep education affordable extending the college tuition deduction; and to protect senior citizens from higher taxes on their retirement income, maintain U.S. financial market competitiveness, and promote economic growth by extending the lower tax rates on dividents and capital gains.

NAY: Biden and Obama   YEA: McCalin

I.E., this is in the voting record in the public records. There are not too many voting records there for the O since he started his campaign and most of those he voted NAY or say Not Voting.

Hardball with Paul Hackett and Van Taylor:  http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/08/22/paul-hackett-on-hardball-2/

And Ann Coulter on Hannity and Colmes: http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/08/24/ann-coulter-gets-her-freak-on/

to watch the acceptance speech by Obama.  There was one individual at the party who kept talking endlessly and kept trying to re-take the floor after someone spoke about their  interests.  it was incredibly annoying.  Ever had that happen in your life? conversation hog?

Sen. DeMint, Barney Fife, Fred Smith CEO of FedEX (?), and ? (didn't catch his name and am terrible with names anyway) about the stimulus package. Sen. DeMint is against the stimulus because it doesn't do much to help the American people. Fred Smith took a 20% cut in pay to help the company.

So far, Barney has been monopolizing the conversation and arguing with the others. I heard him say that the problem was not regulating the financial institutions....Wait. Wasn't he one that voted AGAINST regulation back when they wanted to put tighter controls on them?  He also keeps talking about New Bedford. Isn't that his district? I know he's been fighting for the bank in his district. He seems to have a one track mind. What a jerk!!!....and that's why I call him Barney Fife. He has less sense than the real Barney Fife.

had 3 American born Mexicans on whose parents were deported because they were illegal. The eldest girl is now supporting her brother and sister (how?). They want the law changed that if the children are born in America, even if the parents are illegal, they get instant citizenship.

They were so sad because they only see their parents once a month. Well, you are right. My first question was why the children didn't go to Mexico with their parents? You don't have to answer that. I know that answer.

I try to look at both sides of the coin, but there's no way I can feel sorry for illegals putting their children in this position.

When you people bring your rudeness to this board, it's never nice.

I'd like to hear from one liberal poster here on the LIBERAL BOARD who thinks you are nice.

 This is quite long but if you just read the the last lines, the no mores, it will move you. While our **leaders** were out there borrowing rhetoric from WWII and not from the good guys either, the mayor of Salt Lake City had some words of his own to share.

I have not been on the boards much lately because I just don't know what to say. There is so much that is so wrong that I am completely overwhelmed, so much death, so much torture, so much pain, so much greed, so much **depraved indifference***, so much deceit and on and on and on.   I am grateful there are still those who can put words together and produce a piece of coherent outrage. The mayor of Salt Lake is one of them.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0902-03.htm

when female commentator on Fox morning show made comment about Sara being nominated because she has  "t**s" (female mammary glands).  I saw the clip -- have heard no anguished cries from the conservatives about sexist on this one.

If you can, watch it. I don't want to quote him as I may get the quotes wrong.