Thanks Lurker...and I agree with you about checks and balances...nm
Posted By: Democrat on 2006-05-13
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There have to be checks and balances with everything though.
Otherwise you will have corruption, no matter how good the intent of the law is.
You don't need parties for checks and balances
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trash or treasure? gotta have checks and balances......
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I suggest you take a civics class. This country has checks and balances. SM
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I agree the Lurker's above post is right on...
My post was to say that the pat answer of Reps to Dems who disagree with Bush is to call them nuts, morons or haters. That's all I was saying. For Heavens' sake, Lurker is most definitely RIGHT ON! Do you think any of these rednecks would take this from Clinton!? Hell NO!!
Agree with you, Lurker {{{{applause}}}}
Oh Lurker, I couldn't agree more!
Something wicked this way comes, and we are in the middle of it. Oh yeah, I have been likened to Chicken Little, the sky is falling, blah, blah, blah, but I am cognizant of the falsities this administration would like us to believe, and although I am of average intelligence, not presidential material, am educated enough to know that they, WHOMEVER THEY ARE, were going into a HORNET's NEST in IRAQ, also going to make more TERRORISTS. Also, with my average intelligence, I knew enough to know that Hussain was keeping his people under control, and that NO terrorists would be stupid enough to make trouble or reside in Iraq. He was master. So he killed 30,000 people, maybe a little more. How many have the BUSHWACKERS KILLED!? Yes, of course, I'm upset with him and his cronies. He has made AMERICANS LOOK STUPID, DISHONEST and MURDEROUS and no more humanitarian, maybe even less so, than Saddam. At least Saddam had his reasons to kill his people. What are HIS reasons for the killing? Have not heard any that make any sense! That is my take on the whole thing. Plus the useless FEMA of the Katrina disaster, and on and on and on. No time to spell it all out.
Agree, Lurker...hard to wrap the mind around...
...It is so surreal in a way, all that happened, and then paasing the buck, and now the tide of human hate that in some ways is just as damaging as the storm itself.
I fear they will try their best to rewrite the story of what happened. It's already starting. Now the new poll is out saying somewhere close to half of Americans approve of Bush's handling of the emergency services. The conservatives are all agaggle over it - as if it was real. As if just saying so makes it real. Karl Rove has played this game from day one but they just don't see it. Not even with all the ultra conservative pundits turning on them, they believe a faked poll before they believe their own eyes and ears.
My brother told me a story once about a company he used to work for in Ft. Pierce, FL, run by a man and his three adult sons. One day my brother was taking a break with the three sons and they were reminiscing about the good old days (about 10 years previously) when they would load up their shotguns, jump in the pickup and head over to the segregated part of town where the black people lived, and drive around the outskirts of town taking pot shots at the inhabitants, killing as many as possible, laughing as heads exploded and children were shot out of their mother's arms. This was going on in 1962. The blacks couldn't do anything about it - the whites owned the city and the sheriff's office and if they didn't like it they were invited to get the hell out of town. The sons in question were from 12-14 years old when they were committing murder with their father's approval and assistance.
What happened this last week gives me the same unbelieving sense of horror and shame as I had when I first heard that story. I just don't know what to say about people so dead inside that murder to them is a joyride. That's kind of a dramatic way to put it, but this stuff really happened and I don't think these kinds of people have left us at all. I am sure they have not all murdered the defenseless for sport, but I am also no longer sure that defending and enabling murderers of any kind is very much better. They might not be shooting but they are certainly driving the truck around with a big grin on their faces, some of them. Not all, but a very dead empty and evil few.
At least now we can plainly see who they are.
Are you Sioux by the way Lurker? Don't mean to pry but just curious:) I have to take issue with the phrase though. I always believed it, now I don't believe it anymore. We're not all one. There are the people and then there are...I don't know what they are but they aren't human and they are not related to anyone but each other. I wish I could feel more inclusive about it but that's not going to happen ever again, I suspect.
Sorry - not everybody got those checks -
You had to make a certain income to qualify for that rebate - I know because my boyfriend who is on workman's cmopensation could not qualify for it because his income for the year was too low.
If you did not make enough to have to file tax returns, you did not get the rebate.
Identity checks?
How do we know who these "individual contributors from the internet" really were? Is there a way to positively determine their true identities? Sounds like we need to know about this. I would really like to know if it is possible to confirm their true identities and where this cash is coming from.
Rebate checks
I'm sure Bush has given us a bunch of ideas on what to "spend" the rebate on. I'm sure he would like more people to use if for gas (he is an "oil" man after all). I'm using mine to help pay down some of my debt. I told DH, why in the world aren't people on TV suggesting that citizens use the money to help pay off their debt, or put in a savings for the future. All I keep hearing over and over is spend, spend, spend. I told him I'm tired of whenever I get some extra cash in (whether from working OT, a b-day gift from a relative, or something like the rebate) it gets spent. Yes I know that to stimulate the economy you need to spend, but when is enough enough. I know of course there are certain things people need, but needing something is a lot different than wanting something and just buying something for the sake of spending. I read somewhere once that if you spend it on gas it goes to the government/oil companies, if you spend it at Wal-Mart and other stores it goes to China, etc. Unfortunately the way the economy is going right now it will help a lot of people with gas and food (2 necessities people can't do without), but is just sad that people will use it for that and then it will be gone. As a side rant....does anyone get as furious as I do at these Visa companies that advertise spend, spend, spend. The ones in particular is all these people charging a cup of coffee or some breakfast item on their charge card, then comes along a person with a check or cash and the music stops and they all look at him/her like they've spoiled all the fun. I really think these credit card companies are getting out of hand when they are constantly bombarding us with commercials to spend (I am faster with the mute button than you can say jack rabbit).
Stimulus checks
How many of you enjoyed your Stimulus Checks? I for one loved mine. Think back to what you did with that check? Maybe you paid some bills, bought that CD you have been wanting, maybe a night out with your family to a nice restaurant or even Pizza Hut. A lot of us were able to buy new clothes for our children.
Admit it, it was worth going to the mailbox for. I looked forward to the mail for once.
Senator Obama has pushed for more Stimulus checks immediately for the American people. But who do you think veto'd it? President Bush did. Senator McCain has sided with President Bush 90% of the time. Believe me, you won't be going to the mailbox to find anymore Stimulus Checks in there if you elect John McCain on November 4, 2008.
Stimulus checks
I'm ill, have no health insurance, and if we get another stimulus check, I'll be able to go see the doctor again. (I've been there twice: When I received my income tax refund and when I received the first stimulus check.)
The doctor is pretty far away, and I need to rent a car (with a $250.00 deposit) since my daughter's car is very old and probably wouldn't make the trip. (My car was repossessed when I couldn't afford the payments any more due to being in the hospital so often.)
I hope we get another stimulus check so I can see the cystic fibrosis specialist again. In the meantime, I'm fortunate to have found a good doctor for low-income people in my town. 
Recheck on the fact checks
This whole dog and pony show was going on in 2000 and 2004 too. Righteous anger! God doesn't approve of you! I hate a hypocrite! Commie!! World is going to end if Democrat wins! No seriously, you will be cowering in your bathtub with your last shotgun shell!
The FACT is, people are sick of this kind of hysteria. That's why Obama is so popular. After all, the end-of-world crew is not only downright nasty and scary, look what the people they support have done.
They still want to harp on Clinton, ignoring the horrible truth of just how many Republican congresscritters were arrested and jailed, indicted and censored for totally deplorable, and in many instances, depraved behavior during the Bush administration. They ignore our heartbreaking loss of American rights, and lives during this last 8 years. They ignore the financial meltdown and the outright theft of our social security fund, and now another 840 billion for the thieves, and how many trillions can the Pentagon under Bush just not find? Totally ignore it. They continue to harp on a "liberal press" -- bwa ha ha ha! The news they love to hate admits it gets it marching orders in the morning from the White House. And now, the scariest, worst human being ever, the Ayers monster, is actually famous for blowing up a urinal in the basement of the Capitol Building. Oh. My. God.
Now what - you're willing to put a woman who has NO experience a hair's breadth away from the Presidency? The one the Kenyan witchdoctor laid on hands to advance the agenda of the Third Wave, a religious group who feels they are the ones approved by God to take over America and impose its peculiar notion of Bible believing on all of us? And her husband, who is a charter member of a group in Alaska which unabashedly states it HATES America now and wants to secede? These people are now, they are real, and they are want to be your leaders.
Only by making up the most outlandish lies and propaganda (and crossing fingers that the "liberal press" doesn't blow the cover on their candidates' backgrounds too soon)can they even hope to smear "that one" sufficiently to sway the election.
The real decider for everyone of good faith, decent morals, and some kind of feeling for their fellow human beings, should be to simply look at how some people supporting the McC/SP ticket behave. Monkey dolls. Teaching children to shout the "n" word and jump and hoot like monkeys while the news camera watches, and God-fearing grandmother giggles. No, not just a few. Every single one in line. And then the fruitcake carving on her own cheek with a knife, claiming a big scary black man for Obama did it. Oh yeah, field rep for Republican National Committee, and the story grabbed and pushed immediately by McC's PA communications director. It's disgusting. And considering what they did to all of us in 2000 and 2004, are we really ready to believe there is any good judgment going on in what's left of the Republican ranks?
Just take a look at one of the Obama rallies and get a sense of the totally different atmosphere there, and ask yourself what kind of attitude you'd rather live with day in and day out. We already know what hatefulness, deception, and too much God-told-me-to-do-it in government can do to us and the world. Time to give it a rest, already. Anger, bile, threats, fantasies, foot-stomping, race-baiting, and rewriting the dictionary and the Bible isn't what this American wants. IMHO no American should want that.
Sam, I hate to tell you, but those checks already go out every year -
my sister does not pay a penny in income tax ever - they don't even hold anything out of her check during the year - and then she still gets $5000 to $6000 a year back from the government. So how do you think this is something new?
the problem is that the stimulus checks are not...
"compliments of Obama." He is not footing the bill. The tax payers are, one way or another. There is no such thing as a free lunch.
I hope the next time he checks the tax
in office. LOL.
I hope the next time he checks the tax
in office. LOL. Hopefully he will finally get the clue as this makes the third one having tax issues.
Well, I think it is worse to mail tax break checks to
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Total gimmick! Remember getting checks from
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People with felonies cannot pass background checks...sm
Even a pending felony, never mind a conviction. So,how does he have a job? I say we give him the boot.
Those were economic stimulus checks...a one-time deal.
what Obama is proposing is NOT a one-time deal. It will be part of the tax code. BIG difference.
Feds paying $millions in stimulus checks
Next time you make some colossal blunder at work, here's your excuse: "I was rushed". Apparently, that's good enough for the feds, who have sent around 10,000 checks to dead people...some of whom were never even in the Social Security system. Wonder where they're getting the names?
Of course, we knew that the fraud, abuse and waste would be gargantuan since the government has never been able to handle our money without fraud, waste and abuse.
http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/your_money/consumer/090514_Dead_People_Get_Stimulus_Checks
Thank you, Lurker!
I can't stop laughing and emailed this to everyone I know, as well as added it to my favorites.
This is priceless! Thanks. 
Thank you, Lurker.
Now THERE'S a post full of kindness, understanding, tolerance, and love. I wish there were more people like you in this country right now. I was starting to feel very angry and in the midst of letting them drag me down to their level, but your post just lifted me up from all that (even sans the beads). You must be very proud of your heritage. I would love to learn more about it.
Thank you again for your post.
Thank you, Lurker nm
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Thanks, Lurker.
This was a great read and sums up very well the impression Ann Coulter has given me of herself and her so-called values.
Yes, I will do this Lurker.
well aware of the hardships endured by native Americans as well as their many contributions, such as the Navajo codetalkers in WWII as only 1 example. That's what gets me about some of the rabid illegal immigrant bashers...**they're illegal** blah, blah blah. Yeah, we need to secure our borders, etc., but some of the arguments made by these people make me sick. If ANYONE got a raw deal it's the native Americans; except for them, we are ALL here illegally. I love the many wonderful traditions and meaningful ceremonies of native Americans; I will support this.
Thanks, Lurker.
I hardly have any, as well.
Oh, come on now Lurker. sm
You post on the C board, too. This is all silly.
Lurker?
Yes, I've posted on the conservative board a couple times recently. Didn't take me long to realize it wasn't the place for me, and I don't plan on posting there any more.
However, I continue to read the posts there, note your ongoing confusion and truly hope you get back to school soon so they can teach you that the 9 in 9/11 indicates the month of September, not August. I do applaud you for getting the 11 in 9/11 correct, though.
Another point of confusion: I'm not Lurker. I'm Liberal.
But Lurker,
will all due respect, your posts ooze hatred. I don't think you might be aware of it, but they do.
Lurker. sm
You are the only one who has ever posted here, more than once, about AG and I and who we *really* are. So it's more than reasonable for me to equate that kind of post with you.
Lurker...
just a simple question. You have read the posts. Do you think I deserved the *fool*, *I feel I have been defecated upon,* comments? Do you think that because they come from a *liberal* that is okay? I have not said I am done with you, you are delusional to anyone. Yet Teddy has said I was mentally ill, have I taken my meds, am I nuts, and on and on and on. Why is acceptable to you, and you champion her, and let castigate conservatives for saying similar things to you?
It appears I was wrong about you. I thought you were above all that. But...alas...I guess I was wrong.
thanks for sharing this, Lurker
Kudos to those brave ladies.
Another one attacking Lurker...and on and on
Unacceptable answer for word verbiage. Do people actually let you get away with that?
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Posted By: ? on 2006-03-03,
In Reply to: Find it yourself... - Lurker
You must run in really tolerant debate circles. Best stay in them. This kind of behavior is not tolerated in most political circles I know of. But it is a good example of how far we have slipped into the he said/she said atmosphere of debate in this country. Just say anything and never have to prove it. It works well for the MSM, of which you seem so fond. Well, should have known better. I am off for greener pastures and debate fields where people actually have to prove what they say. Imagine that!
I don't see this as an attack and obviously neither did Lurker. sm
Please look to your own back yard.
Bravo, Lurker.
Excellent post.
No, Lurker, you are mistaken. sm
by *beyond you* I meant it was in God's hands, not yours. I am done talking to you about it. You are determined to be offended no matter what I say. I have never quoted scripture or even interpreted it except to say that God will be the judge and that matter is between President Bush and God. Walking the walk and talking the talk....well, I don't know what you mean by that. Another insult I suppose, but since you don't know me, that would be hard for you to *judge* but maybe not, since you seem fond of judging. As far as mistakes, well, I don't really know what you mean by that either. Mistakes like drinking alcohol at one time? Mistakes like stepping on an ant? Mistakes like spending too much? Hardly offenses to keep him out of heaven. You have added many insults in your post. I am glad I did not stoop to that level.
Bravo, Lurker...very well said.
*China is big* and *Russia is big* is the best our esteemed leader can come up with. Yep, it's hard work being the decider. Only demonstrates (yet again) he is a spoiled, uninformed adolescent with a simplistic view of the world. I've seen 7-year-olds with better table manners and a better grasp of geography. Ironic, also, that he and his puppetmasters show such disdain for the UN and Kofi Annan and yet Bush wants Annan to *give them a call*. God help us....but it's like we've suspected and feared all along: They seem to WANT WWIII. Yet they continue to get away with all kinds of stuff because there are people still fixated on Clinton's sex life. javascript:editor_insertHTML('text',' ');
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Lurker, was it this article?
We Won't Be Quiet. If so, I read it. It was fantastic!!! The other link was about Iraq. I will repost the link.
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0901-28.htm
Lurker, you are not that obtuse. sm
Seems to me, you and Lydia are talking about totally different things. Win what? The spread of communism for one thing. And the fact is, the US Military was not allowed to win that war and the antiwar movement had a lot to do with it, as I have said time and time again, and alot of innocent people died when we left Vietnam. It's a funny thing to me that some people are so concerned with the innocent civilians dying in Iraq but not a tear was shed or a word uttered about the millions and millions who died at the hands of Pol Pot and North Vietnam once we left. Selective memory must be wonderful.
On second thought, you are right, Lurker. sm
It's about MJF being used as a pawn to relay false information about stem cell research, 99% of which is false and unfounded. It's about misrepresenting what embryonic stem cell research really is and what it will be. So you are right, it's about a whole lot more than MJF. It's dirty politics and the Democrats used MJF's affliction for their gains. Shame on them.
Lurker, there is hope yet ....sm
Reports vary on the total number that showed up, anywhere from 500,000 to 750,000, for the rally in Washington today. There are two parts to the video from CNN. There were about 40 protestors there that were pro-war :)~ Also of note, the state of New Mexico has now filed articles of impeachment, so I guess that is a message to Pelosi that it is not off the table.
http://www.cnn.com/video/player/player.html?url=/video/us/2007/01/27/vo.dc.anti.war.protest.cnn
Lurker never said a thing about being set up...
until someone else said it for her, and then she pick it up and ran with it. That is typical of the left.
Thanks for your reply, Lurker
Thought I'd switch back over to this board.
Thanks for your reply to my question about your leaving Florida. It sounds like a big transition in many ways, both geographically and emotionally. I had inquired because I have similar thoughts myself and so far I keep moving farther and farther north and away from civilization. Anyway, good luck and it would be good to hear when you're settled in.
Hey Lurker, you're in crazyland over there, come back over here!!
Well, yeah, it's kind of crazy here, too, sometimes. But less toxic, much more sane and more welcoming. I kind of like it overall.
Nice to see you posting again.
I believe Lurker asked if she would go to help rebuild. sm
and MT said that she would if possible. Try and keep up.
I head the same thing, Lurker!
And I'm ecstatic!!! I heard Craig Crawford say that Bush isn't the radical evangelical that some of his more rabid followers think he is. Maybe Bush isn't as bad as I thought he was. Maybe he IS choosing a woman who is *reasonable.* Maybe he's finally waking up and realizing his numbers are going down because he's ignored the majority of the people in this country while trying to cater to the whacky radical minority who want use the GOVERNMENT to force their religious views and imagined moral superiority down everyone's throats.
I didn't even start out being this left-sided. It seemed the more right-sided he leaned, the more left-sided I became, almost an involuntary reflex type reaction in rebellion. With the nomination of Miers and the subsequent disapproval by Krystal, Buchanan, etc., I feel as if I can relax a little bit and finally feel there might actually be HOPE for America. This is indeed a happy day!
Thank you, Lurker; you're right on the money.
There are people you would jump off a cliff at the command of this administration; I guess that's what I find so difficult to believe. King Georgie can do no wrong no matter what. Where I get a little hot under the collar is when the rest of us are supposed to be happy to get dragged through the muck along with the rest of them. Hypocrisy and corruption apparently have no effect on the Kool-Aid drinkers. Yes, what does it take? Where is the outrage?
Excellent post. Thanks, Lurker.
Fear and ignorance. The only way Bush knows how to lead.
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