If you look hard enough you'll find ignorance on both sides...(sm)
Posted By: Just the big bad on 2008-11-18
In Reply to: Media Malpractice...How Obama got elected....sm - ms
It's not a question of ignorant people voting for Obama, its a point of ignorant people in the US, regardless of which way they vote.
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There is ignorance on both sides here.
As a Christian, I would appreciate it if people would leave this type of subject out of our children's education. It is not unreasonable to ask since we have given up God and prayer in the schools to accommodate those who do not believe.
There are some people who will ridicule the act as well as the person as you can clearly see when we get on the subject of homosexuality. But you cannot group all of us into this category. I do not agree with that lifestyle but having no reason to treat them poorly. That is what I want to teach my children. We may not agree but we cannot be mean to them.
However, I cannot stand by and allow the teaching that homosexuality is okay. It is too controversial of a topic for that to be taught in schools.....just like religion. I can teach my children acceptance of people without teaching acceptance of a lifestyle we don't agree with and I would appreciate it if schools wouldn't undermine my authority on that subject.
You don't see me going around forcing religion on children who I know has parents who don't believe in God and don't want their kids hearing about God.
How sad you find ignorance refreshing.....
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I don't find ignorance refreshing
There was nothing ignorant in that post. I agree with oldtimer that the hate being spewed at McCain's and Palin's rallies is scary. And I don't like the fact that they are encouraging it. I am afraid for Obama. He's a good, decent, honest man and there are a lot of crazed people out there.
I find it hard to believe you don't see it.
I really find it hard to believe
the Clintons when I know deep down they don't want him for prez either. How can you endorse someone when you tried so hard to put them down and show they weren't right for the job in the first place?
I find it hard to believe....#7
that Canada would want to inherit our problems. Mexico? Well, so many of them live here already.......I really can't see them combining governments cooperatively - our country can't even get along (dems and pubs).
I find that extremely hard to believe
Usually we get shoved out of the way when we go to eat places like buffets where there is a black crowd. Yet if we did it, it'd be a "hate crime" and we'd be arrested.
Oh wait I forgot this scenario: We went to our towns little carnival where they serve all kinds of different food and the black folk in the area (it was only on one street a block wide) started chanting "Obama" and getting all hyper and out of order and knocked over a little white boy and when the dad started yelling at them to chill out they started in on him being a racist and the cops made HIM leave. Amazing.
SO yeah, unless you were at a KKK fish fry, I find that hard to believe.
Here's an interesting one for ya....many,many more, not hard to find.....sm
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/kfiles/b43926.html
http://www.infowars.com/resources.html
and so many others
Here's an interesting one for ya....many,many more, not hard to find.....sm
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/kfiles/b43926.html
http://www.infowars.com/resources.html
and so many others
Yeah, it's hard to find the serum
Your spin on words is very unique. However, the ecomony is already in a "bad way" to put it simply. I highly doubt McCain can fix it overnight either especially by taxing our healthcare contributions when most of us don't even have healthcare to begin with.  Tax the middle class; is that McCain's plan. Oh, that just sounds like more of the same. Sorry, been there done that the past 8 years.
Needing a change...
Thanks, Kiki. Always hard to find true bipart anywhere...sm
these days. Thanks a bunch, I'll have to check this out later when I have time.
Personal responsibility and pride is hard to find
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Don't bother...... you'll never be able to make sense of ignorance
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I find it hard to believe that anyone would ever endeavor to speak for Christ. Nuff said. nm
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You'll NEVER get those hard core O lovers to believe the
They HATE anyone that makes more than they do and are so dumb, they don't realize those with money actually HIRE people to work....
Rich isn't a bad word. If they were rich, they sure as hoot wouldn't think it a bad word and would love to keep their own money and I can guarantee you wouldn't want to hand it over to others who sit on their butts for a living!!
That magical number has gone down from day 1 and will continue to do so....
Where do all these people think all the money will come from to pay for all the social government controlled programs come from? There aren't enough RICH people in this country to pay for all that waste!! Of course, they'll believe anything Obama yammers on about and will actually believe it's gonna be paid for by reallocating monies within the government.... won't increase the country's deficit at all...
yea, right!!
I'll be happy when I find out more ... sm
about her. I'm not voting for someone just because we are the same gender.
One day we'll actually find something we agree on...LOL...(sm)
but not today....
First of all the statement she made about making better decisions than a white man has been taken way out of context. The topic she was speaking about at the time was how she dealt with racial and sexist issues in her position. Granted, it didn't come out very well, but what she was referring to was a quote from Sandra O'Connor -- "a wise old man and a wise old woman would reach the same conclusion when deciding case." I don't think her statement is racist in the least.
As far as the firefighter suit, I think she went strictly by the law, and remarkably (and which goes against everything you are saying) she did not let race impact her decision. Here's a little insight into her decision:
http://newmexicoindependent.com/28292/sotomayors-connecticut-firefighter-decision-upheld-civil-rights-law-stanford-prof-argues
This week, President Obama’s U.S. Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor has been called a “racist” by both conservative talk radio host Rush Limbaugh and former Speaker of the U.S. House Newt Gingrich.
But in a story on Slate, Stanford law professor Richard Thompson Ford argues Sotomayor rejected a discrimination suit brought by white and Hispanic fire fighters in New Hampshire because it “threatened to burn down civil rights law.”
The case is one of Judge Sotomayor’s decisions that has added fuel to conservatives’ fire concerned with a group of firefighters in New Haven, Connecticut, who say that the city discriminated against them when it said it would use the results of a written exam to help choose candidates for promotion, but then threw out the test when none of the black candidates, and very few of the Hispanic candidates, scored high enough on the test.
The firefighters sued and lost, and Sotomayor was part of the panel that heard their appeal. The same case is now before the U.S. Supreme Court.
Professor Ford’s explanation is pretty wonky, but for all of us non-lawyers, it is a fascinating explanation of the way civil rights law works. As he writes:
New Haven’s decision may sound like blatant racial favoritism, but in fact the city rejected the firefighter exam because the test violated Title VII, the federal civil rights law that prevents discrimination in employment. Title VII requires employers to consider the racial impact of their hiring and promotion procedures in order to prevent discrimination that’s inadvertent as well as intentional.
…There are two ways an employer can discriminate according to Title VII. He can intentionally discriminate by making race a factor in employment decisions — choosing a black candidate over a white candidate because he is black. Frank Ricci claims the city intentionally discriminated when it threw out the exam results because most of the people who scored high were white. An employer can also discriminate by using a selection process that has a disparate impact — in other words, that screens out a particular group for no good reason. New Haven claims that the test it tossed out had a disparate impact. Eight black, 25 white, and eight Hispanic firefighters took New Haven’s test for promotion to captain; three black, 16 white, and three Hispanic candidates passed. Nineteen black, 43 white, and 15 Hispanic firefighters took the test to become lieutenant; six black, 25 white, and three Hispanic candidates passed. This result counts as discriminatory under the rules of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. New Haven was right to worry about the possibility of a lawsuit from black firefighters if it accepted the results of the tests.
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As for the other junk that's being thrown her way, check this out: I know you hate MSNBC, but this one is worth noting.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/
I guess we'll all find out next week, huh?
What I'll be doing in 2011 is trying to find out which moderates will be running for office in 20
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Both sides should have a choice, on both sides, pregnant woman and doctor...nm
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Wouldn't say ignorance is bliss. Ignorance
is the reason why we had Bush for 8 years, and ignorance is why people will vote PalinMc.
Disagree. Ignorance is ignorance. n/m
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find out. I find sam's posts to the point
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I'll double that 'amen', and I'll raise you one!
amen
Oh. Well, they'll have to kill me before they'll censor
We'll see who'll be laughing tomorrow.
Bet it's me!
I couldn't find that one but I did find this
S.Amdt.4170: To protect families, family farms and small businessees by extending the income tax rate structure, raising the death tax exemption to $5 million and reducing the maximum death tax rate to no more than 35%; to keep education affordable extending the college tuition deduction; and to protect senior citizens from higher taxes on their retirement income, maintain U.S. financial market competitiveness, and promote economic growth by extending the lower tax rates on dividents and capital gains.
NAY: Biden and Obama YEA: McCalin
I.E., this is in the voting record in the public records. There are not too many voting records there for the O since he started his campaign and most of those he voted NAY or say Not Voting.
Well, then, please find me one that you find to be racist.
Exactly....and that happens on both sides...
in all seriousness...without the jibes...I have two big issues with the Dem candidates, that being the abortion issue and the endless tax and spend for social programs. I am not against social programs, I am just against the waste associated with it and the constant assault on the paycheck. The average in the US is 30-35% of your paycheck off the top in taxes. Can't we all agree that is enough? Why create more programs or throw more money at programs that aren't working? Why not look at the programs and cut the waste. Look to helping people better themselves instead of pushing assistance higher up the income ladder. Because it is we in the middle class who suffer the most. Pretty soon there will not be any middle class at all, because they will then be the working poor on the assistance that goes higher up the ladder.
There is such a thing as a conservative Democrat...who believes in fiscal responsibility.
And I will be the first one to say that the Bush Adminstration has strayed way away from that...fiscal responsibility. While I agree with him on some things...I sure don't agree with him on that.
I fear Hillary's national health plan because I know Canada's is not working the way it should...and it is horribly expensive to the taxpayer. Up there, their median is 50-55% of their taxes off the top, and the #1 place for that money to go is the universal health care. And even if you have the money to pay for an operation, you can't jump the waiting list. Hence, they come here for it.
I would just hope that whoever wins will look at the long-reaching ramifications before just jumping in. Be that Hillary or a Republican....because I do think Hillary will get the nomination. I can't see it go any other way...unless something drastic happens between now and the primary. Of course, we won't see all the ugliness (on both sides) until a little later. I guess the proof will be in the pudding.
What do you have against 2 sides
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Yes, they can be - on BOTH sides.
Someone makes a wise crack about it being nice to have someone with a triple digit IQ - when in FACT they don't know what Bush's IQ is OR the possible that Barack has a higher OR lower IQ score. The problem is the people who post don't know. They have just an outright hatred and loathing for the republicans. Well how would they feel if I went and said Obama has an IQ of 68 or something so absurd. They wouldn't. You know what, having a high IQ doesn't mean squat. I know a lot of people with degrees and high IQs and they are more of imbs than people without degrees. Just another put down for Bush they they think is cute and funny. It's not! We get it already. They don't like Bush, they hate him, and some of them like my MIL will come right out and say what they want to happen to Bush (i.e. the same thing Hillary said would happen to BO and that is why she is staying in).
I'm really getting tired of the utter hatred and disdain for Bush, and the constant Bush bashing I see on this board. Calling him stoopid, etc, etc. when there are no facts to back it up (unless they are sitting with his school transcipts on their desk). You know I like Obama. I think he's an okay guy. I don't care for Bush. Never have, but this utter hatred and lies get to be a bit too much. Then of course they find websites to try to "validate" what they are saying, yet they won't post websites that go against what they are saying. I'm just sick of the whole thing. The next 4 years should be interesting. Not going to say O is going to fail, but I'm also not putting him up on a pedistal and praising him while I dance around in circles chanting his name like most on this board are doing. Then again if he does fail I expect no comments from the libs on that one. For him it will be okay.
Uh...that isn't what I said. I said it happens all the time and both sides do it.
Are you sure you read MY post? Just wondering because it didn't sound like it from your response. Man, you guys are trigger happy!
Is good, but not see here. Sad for all both sides.
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Could it be possible there are 2 sides to the story? sm
The US, UK, and Israel also have a long and colorful history of 'creating incidents' to further their own agendas. I would say control of the Middle East is something at the top of the list. Hezbollah is wrong to send rockets into Israel. In fact, they are all wrong, but what do you expect them to do just wait there and be incinerated by Israel?
I'm sure both sides are represented.
There are soldiers for the war and those against. It's all there if you look hard enough. Absolutely....both sides are well represented.
Both sides say things like that
Obviously, living up someone's rear-end is not something that is to be taken literally - that is why I called it a joke - maybe not the best terminology.
My problem is when people say things about certain groups of people and they mean it literally - hence the reason that I specifically mentioned Anne Coulter's discussion and did not add anyone else mentioned in the OP's message.
This kind of crass talk happens on both sides of the fence. Do you have anyone in your family that is a registered Democrat? Do you lump them in with your comments about liberals? (also in comments on the conservative board) I have close family members that are registered Republicans. That is why I do not make sweeping remarks about all Republicans or conservatives. I'm trying to be very specific in my comments because everyone is obviously different.
Racism is on both sides......not just one
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Both sides of this issue.....sm
The emotional part of me, that loves wildlife, absolutely and completely hates this practice. The governor before Gov. Palin did this, as well.
Intellectually, however, my husband and I talked about this last night. I have to realize that things are different in the state of Alaska, and we down here in the lower 48 can't judge them for this, as we don't understand all the facts. Sam posted them down below. It's a different mindset, when it comes to predator control versus the herd availability for the people of Alaska who are subsistence hunters, and need that caribou to make it through the winter.
I would much rather to let nature take its course, and let the predator and prey take each other out, the way nature intended it. However, throw humans in the mix, and it does change things.
All that taken into account, I still don't have to like it. But I can respect Alaska's decision to do this, even if I disagree.
Yep. there are two sides to every story....
you just have to choose the side that fits your view for your country. Godspeed in your search. :)
On ALL sides--does not necessarily mean sm
this fiasco is partisan--only that the current administration (GOP) allowed all entities to run amok. It's the financial world versus the common man, now vice versa. As one pundit said tonight, The public shouldn't have to pick up the broken chairs when they weren't invited to the party.
Hey, the hate has come from both sides.
It's so extreme now.
There are SMs from both sides of the fence
Take the above posts, for example:
Fitzgerald renews interest in Rezko-Obama deal
If you read anything on here, read this.
This should disturb every honorable citizen
Your stereotypes are inaccurate and pretty boring.
I can see both sides of the argument
Yes, many people are getting threatened and businesses getting picketed for supporting Prop 8. You cannot deny that (what was the pink taliban or whatever that disrupted church service a month or so ago?)
But on the other hand, if they want these donations anonymous, than that means Obama and other politicians can make their donations anonymous, and I think it's the publics right to know who is financing the next leaders of the country.
I just find it interesting that the homosexuals are assaulting and threatening supporters of the Prop 8 for what they believe in when they themselves are asking for fair treatment for what they believe in.
I am patriotic. I look at both sides.
It's certain people that refuse to look at the PRESENT ISSUES, not the PAST. I am all for O doing the right things, but right now, it looks like business as usual with the exception of his cabinet picks and this stimulus package.
Sticking to the issues is one thing. Calling some unpatriotic just because they don't agree with you is another.
nasty on all sides
Can't we just state our opinions without calling each other "idiots" and "children?" Does that really enhance the argument? Ever?
I was merely stating there are TWO sides....
to every story. I have not taken sides, as apparently you have. That is all I am saying. The Palestinians are not without fault either, and their present governing body are on the terror watch list. That should mean something....?
Right! Definitely hate from BOTH sides. The OP
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If O "fails", then you'll probably like him more cuz he'll
From looking on both boards, both sides are guilty.
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exploring situation from both sides? What?
Exploring the situation from both sides? What two sides? The man stated crime would go down if we aborted black babies. What is the side you are referring to? It is a racist remark, a dumb remark and insensitive hateful remark. No two ways about it..PERIOD..
It happens on both sides of the political spectrum. It happens sm
in every day life to people who are not political at all. Why try and make it a party line thing. That's just silly and WRONG. Good grief. Do you know the political parties of everyone just this year caught embezzling? I sure don't. Nor do I care. Stop labeling people. By the way, yes, he is a crook. But he is also a Vietnam fighter pilot. He went the wrong path. But let's now throw the baby out with the bath water. Here is where the Christian part kicks in...you know..forgiveness.
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