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I understand that, if the people on the ground in hurricane country werwe not immediately alarmed...

Posted By: sam on 2008-08-31
In Reply to: Being from hurricane country, our leaders do not - Call voluntary not mand for CAT 3. nm

why on earth would someone expect George Bush to be? He was relying on the local and state authorities to do their jobs. Kathleen Blanco knows that she messed up...which is why she is no longer in LA politics. All I am saying that everyone should share the blame...not one man.


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What Bush Needs to Understand After Hurricane Rita

I just saw a video of Bush, the former GOVERNOR OF TEXAS, who said the following with regard to Hurricane Rita:


What I am going to do is observe the relationship between the state and local government, and I want to watch that relationship.  It's an important relationship, and I need to understand how it works better.


Wonder what he was watching before/when he was governor of that very same state!  Better yet, I seriously wonder what he's been watching for the past 5 years!


As a citizen/poster from hurricane country
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Bedtime story from Hurricane country entitled

"Ours is a promise that says government cannot solve all our problems, but what it should do is that which we cannot do for ourselves – protect us from harm…"   ". We are more compassionate than a government that…sits on its hands while a major American city drowns before our eyes."  Barack Obama, nomination acceptance speech, 08/28/2008.


 


This is written in response to the post below that express the "bootstrap mentality" approach to Katrina and Bush/federal government response.  Bush never seems to be held accountable for any of his actions or lack thereof.  What I do know is that we deserve better from our so-called leaders.  I want someone in charge of the country who knows that what I am about to describe is unacceptable.  I am writing this because, at the very least, we should not allow our memories to fade away too quickly about the most shameful episode of leadership/federal agency failure and breakdown I have ever witnessed in my lifetime.   


 


As for the poster who said that "if you don't live here, you don't know what you are talking about":  Thing is that I do live in hurricane country on the Gulf Coast where to this day, 3 years later, we still welcome, house, employ, include, encourage and support Hurricane Katrina survivors/refugees.  Hurricane Gustav is poised to make a visit here on the opening night of the RNC and will be slamming ashore and doing its thing during the opening speech by you-know-who.  My memory of the last time we went through this is very clear.  Where it seemed fuzzy, research filled in the blanks.  I'm going to jump right in here. 


 


When Hurricane Katrina made landfall, President Bush was on one of his marathon vacations.  The August 2005 vacation, in fact, was the longest vacation of any US President (5 weeks).  By the time Katrina showed up, he already had been at the ranch for 3 weeks, so he was pretty well rested up.  On August 26th, Katrina strengthened to a Category 3 Hurricane and Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco declared state of emergency.  Blanco asked President Bush to declare federal state of emergency for Louisiana.  Next day, Bush interrupted his bike ride with Astronaut Lance Armstrong and declared a state of emergency in selected regions of Louisiana, Alabama, and Mississippi on Saturday, the 27th.  The declaration did not include any of Louisiana's coastal parishes, an oversight that would later be addressed in Congressional hearings.  Same day, New Orleans mayor Ray Nagin orders a voluntary evacuation of all residents from the city of New Orleans.


 


Go here to see a map of parishes not included in the declaration.  http://www.bobharris.com/content/view/637/1/.  This map is an eye-opener. Mr. Harris calls it upsidedownland.   Hello.  Inland parishes included, coastal parishes excluded.  Bushes parents live in the hurricane-prone city of Houston.  He probably should have know better. 


 


August 28th, within 9 short hours, Katrina doubled in size and strengthened from a category 3 to a 5.  Nagin's evacuation became mandatory.  During video conferences involving the president on August 28th and 29th, the NHC director informed Bush that Katrina might push its storm surge over the city's levees and flood walls, using such language "potential for nightmare scenarios," and that this has been known for at least the three decades he has worked at the NHC.  Previous warnings, such as the one made by the Houston Chronicle in 2001, told of a disaster that "would strand 250,000 people or more, and probably kill one of 10 left behind as the city drowned under 20 feet of water" following a severe hurricane making landfall on NO.  Other publications, such as Popular Mechanics, Scientific American,  and The Times-Picayune had given similar doomsday scenarios in which a sinking city would drown and its residents would be left homeless.


 

On  August 28th, the National Weather Sevice out of Baton Rogue and NO issued the following bulletin. This text is included in its entirety because the warning Bush decided to ignore just don't get any more clear than this.  Before reading this, keep in mind that in response, Bush alerted FEMA Director Michael Brown, aka "Brownie," and stayed put, on vacation, since he had "done his part." No shouts in tended.  This is the way cut and paste works.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Weather_Service_bulletin_for_New_Orleans_region
...DEVASTATING DAMAGE EXPECTED...
 
HURRICANE KATRINA...A MOST POWERFUL HURRICANE WITH UNPRECEDENTED
STRENGTH...RIVALING THE INTENSITY OF HURRICANE CAMILLE OF 1969.
 
MOST OF THE AREA WILL BE UNINHABITABLE FOR WEEKS...PERHAPS LONGER. AT
LEAST ONE HALF OF WELL CONSTRUCTED HOMES WILL HAVE ROOF AND WALL
FAILURE. ALL GABLED ROOFS WILL FAIL...LEAVING THOSE HOMES SEVERELY
DAMAGED OR DESTROYED.
 
THE MAJORITY OF INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS WILL BECOME NON FUNCTIONAL.
PARTIAL TO COMPLETE WALL AND ROOF FAILURE IS EXPECTED. ALL WOOD
FRAMED LOW RISING APARTMENT BUILDINGS WILL BE DESTROYED. CONCRETE
BLOCK LOW RISE APARTMENTS WILL SUSTAIN MAJOR DAMAGE...INCLUDING SOME
WALL AND ROOF FAILURE.
 
HIGH RISE OFFICE AND APARTMENT BUILDINGS WILL SWAY DANGEROUSLY...A
FEW TO THE POINT OF TOTAL COLLAPSE. ALL WINDOWS WILL BLOW OUT.
 
AIRBORNE DEBRIS WILL BE WIDESPREAD...AND MAY INCLUDE HEAVY ITEMS SUCH
AS HOUSEHOLD APPLIANCES AND EVEN LIGHT VEHICLES. SPORT UTILITY
VEHICLES AND LIGHT TRUCKS WILL BE MOVED. THE BLOWN DEBRIS WILL CREATE
ADDITIONAL DESTRUCTION. PERSONS...PETS...AND LIVESTOCK EXPOSED TO THE
WINDS WILL FACE CERTAIN DEATH IF STRUCK.
 
POWER OUTAGES WILL LAST FOR WEEKS...AS MOST POWER POLES WILL BE DOWN
AND TRANSFORMERS DESTROYED. WATER SHORTAGES WILL MAKE HUMAN SUFFERING INCREDIBLE BY MODERN STANDARDS.
 
THE VAST MAJORITY OF NATIVE TREES WILL BE SNAPPED OR UPROOTED. ONLY
THE HEARTIEST WILL REMAIN STANDING...BUT BE TOTALLY DEFOLIATED. FEW
CROPS WILL REMAIN. LIVESTOCK LEFT EXPOSED TO THE WINDS WILL BE
KILLED.
 

On August 29th, John McCain's 69th birthday, Katrina hits New Orleans as a category 4, levies break, Bush continues his itinerary.  He jets on off to Luke Air Force Base near Phoenix to join McCain and wish him happy birthday (kinda makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside).  Picture available on the website cited below.  Afterward, Bush spoke about Medicare to 400 guests at the Pueblo El Mirage RV Resort and Country Club in nearby El Mirage.   Not to worry.  Brownie's doin' a heck of a job.  August 29th:  FEMA press release: 'First Responders Urged Not To Respond To Hurricane Impact Areas Unless Dispatched By State, Local Authorities.'         


 


Five hours after the hurricane hit, FEMA chief Michael Brown asks Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff for approval to send 1,000 Homeland Security workers within 48 hours to the Gulf Coast to provide assistance.  Bush fires up the jet and heads out to Rancho Cucamonga, Calif. for talk on prescription drugs for seniors.  Back in NO, the 17th Street Canal levee breaks.  The Red Cross, while providing relief and support across the Gulf Coast, did not enter New Orleans to provide relief at the Superdome, or any other victim shelter in the city.


 


August 30th.  The Coast Guard reports that it has rescued some 1,200 people from rooftops around the area.  Of course, it's all over the TV.  The number of evacuees in the Superdome swells to 20,000, as people rescued or left homeless throughout the city are brought to the stadium. Gov. Blanco says the Superdome will have to be evacuated. Bush appears in Coronado, Calif. for a V-J Day commemoration.  Go to the website cited below for photo corresponding to the following caption:  President Bush plays a guitar presented to him by Country Singer Mark Wills, right, backstage following his visit…"  The photo is very telling.  For those of you who don't go ballistic when they read democratic commentary, you will find some fascinating information next to the photo. 


 


August 31st.  Evacuation of the Superdome begins.  Bush cuts vacation short by 2 days and returns to Washington after a brief fly-by over New Orleans where he observed the scene from above.


 


September 1st:  Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff claims "we have a tremendous array of forces that are currently deployed in New Orleans," as cable TV networks show live images of looting, Superdome residents awaiting evacuation and people stranded without food and water throughout the city.  Bush tells "Good Morning America" that "I don’t think anyone anticipated a breach of the levees."  That day, Newsweek reported, "The reality, say several aides who did not wish to be quoted because it might displease the president, did not really sink in until Thursday night. Some White House staffers were watching the evening news and thought the president needed to see the horrific reports coming out of New Orleans.  Counselor Bartlett made up a DVD of the newscasts so Bush could see them in their entirety as he flew down to the Gulf Coast the next morning on Air Force One. "


 


September 2nd:  President Bush takes aerial tour of New Orleans.  Relief copters grounded in New Orleans during Bush visit. 


 


September 3rd:  Construction equipment removed from broken levee after Bush visit. Louisiana Senator Landrieu Implores President to "relieve unmitigated suffering" and end FEMA's "abject failures" 


 


September 4th:  More than 4,600 active duty military personnel join almost 27,000 National Guard troops in Louisiana for disaster relief.  Jefferson Parish President Aaron Broussard lambastes FEMA's response on NBC's "Meet the Press"


 


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Katrina


In a September 26, 2005 hearing, former FEMA chief Michael Brown testified before a U.S. House subcommittee about FEMA's response.  He was questioned about why Bush's declaration of state of emergency of August 27 had not included the coastal parishes of Orleans, Jefferson, and Plaquemines (in fact, the declaration did not include any of Louisiana's coastal parishes, whereas the coastal counties were included in the declarations for Mississippi and Alabama).  Brown testified that this was because Louisiana Governor Blanco had not included those parishes in her initial request for aid (can you say pass-the-buck/fib?), a decision that he found "shocking."  After the hearing, though, Blanco released a copy of her letter, which requested assistance for "all the southeastern parishes including the New Orleans Metropolitan area and the mid state Interstate I-49 corridor and northern parishes along the I-20 corridor. 


 


A couple of cliches thrown in for good measure:  A picture's worth 1000 words.  Actions speak louder than words. 


 


Go here for a Katrina Timeline.  August 25 to September 5.  The links embedded in this timeline make for a good read as well. 


http://www.ojr.org/ojr/wiki/Katrina_Timeline/


Go here for a corresponding timeline of Bush's vacation and a few photos.   http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/010936.php



I think Bush has run this country into the ground.
the better with Obama in office instead of McCain and whatever her name is?????
Only those that truly care for this country understand
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I can't understand people
fighting against themselves either.  Reaganomics was the beginning of this disaster.  The trickle down just didn't trickle.
I don't understand you people!!!

I don't understand how if Obama fails to act you condemn him, then when he does act, you condemn him for that same act you were requiring earlier...


I am one of those that voted for Obama.  Do I think he is perfect?  No, definitely not... do I think he has made some bad decisions?  Yes, definitely so...


However, I still feel like he is doing a good job as President of the United States.  He walked into a boatload of crap and is having to deal with it one step at a time with every once in awhile another load being dumped in.  Why can't ya'll give him a chance? 


I know he will make mistakes - what man has never made mistakes?  I know the problem is that his mistakes will have an effect on everybody in this country today and tomorrow and for many years to come, but he is trying!  Can you not give him a break sometime? 


I understand that many people use it now...
but legalize it, and how many more will. I have never tried it-why? Because it is illegal. I know that I am not the only person who obeys laws. I do not believe that marijuana is not addictive, nor do many doctors. I doubt that tax revenue would increase with pot, just black market prices would be forced down to compete and people would grow their own. We do not need to agree--we rarely do.
Yeah i see that, i posted immediately after
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It ain't Russia I'm immediately worried about...
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there are people in this country
without so much... a home, food, clothing, utilities, car, gas... the list goes on and if they can't afford those things, i would imagine it would be hard for them to afford for their kids to participate in sports at school even and this gal is complaining because she has to put snacks on separate shelves in her fridge for her kids to last a week....

maybe that family is going through hardship compared to what they are used to, aren't we all? i mean the cost of everything is going up, minus gas at the moment, but we count our blessings. we have a roof over our head, we have food in the fridge, etc.

i did feel bad for the retired couple...

oh and just to let you know... no acrylic nails here.... have better things to spend my money on .... plus i'm sure i couldn't type with those on anyway!


Well...first he said he was bringing the troops home immediately...
if he was elected. Now he is talking about a "phased" withdrawal. Was he lying then, or is he lying now? He said: "I never heard that kind of sermon." Then he said: "Yes, I did hear some of that." That is on tape on You Tube. Which place was he lying? He said he barely knew William Ayers. We know now that is a lie. There are several more.
People so silly in this country.
I undertand beter than U what this is!
Wow - people in this country actually LISTEN
ugh. DOUBLE ugh.
unselfish people DO think of country first,
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No, because the SANE people in this country say so..LOL
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You gotta understand mentality of people
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Yeah, some people have love of country. Some
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These tea parties represent the people of the country
and how we feel. We are sick of the over-taxation. We are sick of the government not listening to us, spending like there's no tomorrow, and spending money they haven't even printed yet. Then on top of that we're being taxed more and more so they can send it oversees to other countries all while doing Jack sh!t for the Americans. What's next that people who work will not get paid anymore, 100% will go to taxes or maybe we'll get $8 a month (like Cuba) to make us feel like we're getting something for all the hard work we do. There's more to these tea parties than that. You think people's lives being ruined by what government is doing to us is funny? There are over a million people who are involving themselves in the tea parties. Government is supposed to be "for the people". It is not. They are for themselves and screw the people. The governors of each state need to recall these pieces of garbage they sent to DC, because they are no longer representing us (the people who voted for them), they are for themselves and they care less about us.

Did you think the million man march was hilarious also? How about the original Boston Tea Party? Stamp Act? Oh, hey I guess you think the civil war was hysterical too.

I heard a show yesterday that CNN and MSLSD are not participating in the tea parties. What better way to say "screw the American people and the country. We don't care what they have to say". However, you know that if there was a party where everyone in this country was excited and wanted to pay more in taxes and was for bigger government, etc. CNN and MSLSD would be the first to be reporting it.

MSLSD is so far off on what is really happening in this country I'd like to see them go off the air. Maddow, Olberman, Matthews, etc. They're all a bunch of whiny @ss punks who are throwing a tantrum because their station is losing millions of dollars because more people are turning to stations that will give them the truth, and are turning off CNN & MSLSD.


Absolutely.... of all the racist people in this country,
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Not enough people in this country have the guts for a tax revolt.
Unfortunately, the game is rigged against that too, because you need to be able to defeat an incumbent in the primary (in order to have another candidate of your party), and many incumbents run unchallenged in their primaries. This means you have to vote against them in the general election by voting for a candidate of another party. Many people find this very repugnant to do unless the candidate is truly very moderate.

When you really look at how the major parties have rigged the electoral process to keep themselves in office, you can see the extent of the corruption. On the other hand, when you look at countries that have more than two major parties, those don't work any better because two of them will get together to collude against the third party, etc. Israel is a good example of the mess you get into with multiple parties, none of which can get elected by themselves. They end up forming "alliances" with other parties and it gets very complicated just trying to figure out "who" is going to be in power or what they will do.

Perhaps there's a really big question here: Is mankind capable of competent self-government that is free of corruption, influence-peddling, secret deals and lies? I am beginning to think not.
I understand completely....people can see the same situation in 2 different ways....
I am not trying to bash your opinion either...and I will just touch on this briefly and leave it alone. Wanting regime change in Iraq did not originate with George Bush. It originated during the Clinton administration:

Clinton: Iraq has abused its last chance

President Clinton addressed the nation from the Oval Office
Clinton spells out Iraq's non-compliance
Iraq repeatedly blocked UNSCOM from inspecting suspect sites.

Iraq repeatedly restricted UNSCOM's ability to obtain necessary evidence.

Iraq tried to stop an UNSCOM biological weapons team from videotaping a site and photocopying documents and prevented Iraqi personnel from answering UNSCOM's questions.

Iraq has failed to turn over virtually all documents requested by the inspectors.

US Forces:
There are 15 U.S. warships and 97 U.S. aircraft in the Persian Gulf region, including about 70 aboard the aircraft carrier USS Enterprise. More than 12,000 sailors and Marines are in the region.

U.S. sources said eight of the warships, equipped with cruise missiles, have been moved into the northern part of the Gulf, within easy striking distance of Baghdad. More troops and jets have been ordered to the region.

More than 300 cruise missiles are available for use against Iraq, and there are air-launched cruise missiles aboard 14 B-52 bombers on the British island of Diego Garcia, sources said.

Britain has 22 strike aircraft in the region.

Pentagon unveils details of Operation Desert Fox
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- From the Oval Office, President Clinton told the nation Wednesday evening why he ordered new military strikes against Iraq.

The president said Iraq's refusal to cooperate with U.N. weapons inspectors presented a threat to the entire world.

"Saddam (Hussein) must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons," Clinton said.

Operation Desert Fox, a strong, sustained series of attacks, will be carried out over several days by U.S. and British forces, Clinton said.

"Earlier today I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces," Clinton said.

"Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors," said Clinton.

Clinton also stated that, while other countries also had weapons of mass destruction, Hussein is in a different category because he has used such weapons against his own people and against his neighbors.


'Without delay, diplomacy or warning'

The Iraqi leader was given a final warning six weeks ago, Clinton said, when Baghdad promised to cooperate with U.N. inspectors at the last minute just as U.S. warplanes were headed its way.

"Along with Prime Minister (Tony) Blair of Great Britain, I made it equally clear that if Saddam failed to cooperate fully we would be prepared to act without delay, diplomacy or warning," Clinton said.

The president said the report handed in Tuesday by Richard Butler, head of the United Nations Special Commission in charge of finding and destroying Iraqi weapons, was stark and sobering.

Iraq failed to cooperate with the inspectors and placed new restrictions on them, Clinton said. He said Iraqi officials also destroyed records and moved everything, even the furniture, out of suspected sites before inspectors were allowed in.

"Instead of inspectors disarming Saddam, Saddam has disarmed the inspectors," Clinton said.

"In halting our airstrikes in November, I gave Saddam a chance -- not a license. If we turn our backs on his defiance, the credibility of U.S. power as a check against Saddam will be destroyed," the president explained.


Strikes necessary to stunt weapons programs

Clinton said he made the decision to strike Wednesday with the unanimous agreement of his security advisors.

Timing was important, said the president, because without a strong inspection system in place, Iraq could rebuild its chemical, biological and nuclear programs in a matter of months, not years.

"If Saddam can cripple the weapons inspections system and get away with it, he would conclude the international community, led by the United States, has simply lost its will," said Clinton. "He would surmise that he has free rein to rebuild his arsenal of destruction."

Clinton also called Hussein a threat to his people and to the security of the world.


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"The best way to end that threat once and for all is with a new Iraqi government -- a government ready to live in peace with its neighbors, a government that respects the rights of its people," Clinton said.

Such a change in Baghdad would take time and effort, Clinton said, adding that his administration would work with Iraqi opposition forces.

Clinton also addressed the ongoing impeachment crisis in the White House.

"Saddam Hussein and the other enemies of peace may have thought that the serious debate currently before the House of Representatives would distract Americans or weaken our resolve to face him down," he said.

"But once more, the United States has proven that although we are never eager to use force, when we must act in America's vital interests, we will do so."


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There were limited bomb strikes at that time. And then we had not been attacked. George Bush did not invent the idea of regime change in Iraq. No, it did not turn into full fledged war at that time...but we had not lost 3000 of our citizens either.

Also, please check out the Iraq Liberation Act passed and endorsed enthusiastically by Democrats. And if you check closely...the same democrats who are decrying going into Iraq now were all for it then. When I look at the entirety of it...and I remember well Clinton saying from the oval office he was going to bomb Iraq and why he was going to do it...I agreed with him and I agreed with Bush. That is what I absolutely hate about politics...that partisan lockstep. If a Democrat President thinks we should bomb and/or invade Iraq, the Democrats are all behind him. Remember, the majority of Democrats voted this time to go in too. It was not George Bush alone. And the intelligence he used to make his decision is the same intelligence Bill Clinton had. I don't want to make argumentative. Just stating facts. And it is the totality of it that makes me say what I said about Bush. I do not believe for one minute that he went into Iraq knowing there was no WMD, any more than I think Clinton bombed Iraq knowing there was no reason to do so.

So far as I can see, John McCain did not say he was for more war. Even Obama has said that we cannot just pull out. So no matter who is elected, we are there for awhile. The say in Iraq for 100 years was misquoted and misrepresented by the Obama campaign and others...what he said was that there "could" not will be an American presence in Iraq for 100 years if necessary, like bases, advisors, etc. Not fighting soldiers. Like we had bases in Germany, bases in Korea, etc. Those wars had been over a long time and we still had bases there. He did not say we would be fighting in Iraq in a hundred years. That being said, if we are attacked again, he is certainly not afraid to fight. We can't afford a President who is not willing to fight. Clinton did not react to the first world trade center bombing, the khobar towers bombings, the embassy bombings, or the bombing of the USS Cole. Had he done so, we might not have had 9-11 and we would not have gone into Iraq. If Clinton had accepted bin Laden from the Sudan when they offered him...if, if, if. The war in Iraq was not the product of one man.

Again, not trying to be argumentative, but I do not understand how a huge group of people can blame one man for all the ills of this country and congress gets a pass. Bush by himself can't do very much. I mean I got pretty disgusted with Clinton at the end, and I didn't much care for a lot of the things that happened during his admin, but I did not blame him personally for it. That is not how the government works.

Yes, there are some things I did not like about the Bush admin and still don't like...but I don't demonize him and make him the poster chld for everything wrong with the country...I blame Congress. THey are the ones who can change things. And they haven't done diddly.
Wrong! I happen to love my country and its people.
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Rights under Saddam? Any country where people are tortured, mutilated, and killed is no better
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And that hurricane is GWB
Kind of funny the economy took a huge nose dive while on Bush's watch but the reichwing want to blame Obama who isn't even in office yet.......it isn't even logical......predictions based on what? The Republicans trashed our constitution, wiped their arses with the bill of rights, put us in another Vietnam based on lies so Halliburton and Blackwater could get rich and then rewarded all their buddies with high profile jobs and record profits and said screw the middle class. WAKE UP! What a joke.
Hurricane housing, a way to help!
Just got this email from my brother:

 

We are forwarding this information about hurricanehousing.org - it was assembled by the progessive people of moveon.org and has been publicized by local mainstream media.  While we are unspeakably upset by the lack of timely federal emergency aid, we are gratified by grassroots caring and hope that this disaster will serve as a moral reawakening beyond its terrible pain and loss.  Please consider the following....

 
We're sure you've seen the horrifying images on TV of destruction left by Hurricane Katrina, and the many, many people left with nowhere to go.

You can help. MoveOn.org just launched a website, www.hurricanehousing.org, to connect your empty beds with hurricane victims who desperately need a place to wait out the storm.


You can post your offer of housing (a spare room, extra bed, even a decent couch) on http://www.hurricanehousing.org or search there for housing if you need it.


MoveOn will pass requests from hurricane victims or relief agencies on to volunteer hosts, who can decide whether or not to respond to a particular request. The host remains anonymous until they reply to someone looking for housing.


The ______(this was my brother's name) just posted an offer. We hope you will too, or pass this on to people you know in the Southeast:


http://www.hurricanehousing.org


Housing is most urgently needed within reasonable driving distance (about 300 miles) of the affected areas, especially New Orleans.


Thanks!


Hurricane Betsy
 This morning I saw some 40-year-old video, some network news, some home movies, of Lyndon Johnson on September 10, 1965. Hurricane Betsy went through New Orleans on September 9, at 155 mph. 18 hours later Johnson was standing on a box with a flashlight yelling out, this is your president speaking, I am here to help you. He and the mayor and other people were riding around in amphibious vehicles. The Secret Service was really PO'd because they felt the couldn't protect the president like they were supposed to but he went about his business anyway. Granted, the levees did not break and things on the ground were different  than Katrina but the point is, 40 years ago, the president of the united states knew there was a hurricane on the way and he responded to that hurricane18 hours after it had passed - IN PERSON!!! 
Geez. Now you are using the hurricane...
the evening shift has arrived. Good evening! did you even look at the video of your dem buddy yucking it up? You don't have any moral high ground here.
First because of a hurricane. Now because of Wall St.
an earthquake in California. Or maybe because his favorite show is on TV that night.

I want somebody with some actual ballz in the white house, not an aged wimp.
Hurricane Katrina: A sign from God.
God is telling us that Bush is an idiot who destroys everything in (and out of) his path, and it's time for Americans to wake up.
Hurricane watch is unnerving. Sorry about
For more substantial posts to keep the real issues alive. You will not have to deal with me much longer. I'll be distracting myself from the Cat4/5 storm that looms off the coase by doing some research and puttin' it out there. Enjoy the calm before the next round of storms!
So will you still feel that way the next time a hurricane wipes
that might not be such a BAD thing....
Millions could get to DC for the inauguration, but couldn't get out of NO before the hurricane...
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Oil above ground..........sm
I live on an 88-acre farm that is bisected by a creek. When my grandfather was live, back in the 1940s, he used to see oil on the top of the water in the creek, so he always believed there was oil on our place. There are several companies drilling all around us, but none have drilled on our place yet. We are leased until September with the company we are with now, so they had better hurry up if they want to drill here. When they were doing the seisomgraph work, the blasts messed up our wells, too.
Breeding ground

I agree 100%.  When it's all said and done, there won't only be more of them, but they will have gained a lot of training and experience due to the extensive "practice" they've had in Iraq.  I'm just afraid they will take all that and bring it here to the US.  I'm also afraid this is going to continue for years and years.  I thought this whole thing was described as being swift when Bush declared war.


I also wonder which life was better for Iraqis:  Saddam Hussein's regime or George W. Bush's regime.


The videos that gt posted really hit me hard.  One of them gave a glimpse of what life was like before we got there and what it was like once we invaded and occupied their country.


I would feel much more secure if steps were taken in this country to protect us, but I feel that another terror attack is inevitable, and I'm afraid the next one is going to be much worse than 9/11.  I really fear for my daughter, son-in-law and grandchildren.  Even if a miracle occurs and we aren't all obliterated under Bush's regime, my grandchildren will be paying for his war for decades to come.


This whole thing was just wrong, wrong, wrong, and I, too, wish we would just get it over with, kick some serious *s* and get out of there.


I believe that her having a son with boots on the ground...
qualifies her as the "resident expert" much more than you, Think liberal. Would it not? She is getting her information first hand. Where are you getting yours?

Why does she take it personally? You might want to put your brain in neutral and let compassion take over for a moment...it is not fatal. Then, I am thinking, you would not have asked such a silly question.

"It has nothing to do with the troops." Excuse me, WHAT??

There was suffering, starvation and death in Iraq long before we got there. At the hands of their "President." He still has a higher death toll of his own people than the casualities of this war from start to now. I personally would love to see the war footage, the Iraqi interviews, etc., on the cutting room floor at CNN...at MSNBC...at the networks. What never made it to the screen. What never made it past major news outlets' editors. Yep, I would LOVE to see that.

"Liberal thinker..." the difference appears to me to be, in you and that woman who posted about her son, is that she is honest and was not speaking from any political position and defending her son (and the military in general) from your attack. If her son was sending different pics and telling her that the war is not working, we should get out, etc., she would not be ignoring what he said and posting here to further a political agenda. She would most likely be posting what her son said and agreeing with you. Because her son is there, he has first-hand knowledge, and she believes him. On the other hand you, when presented with positive evidence from the horse's mouth, totally ignore and minimize it, as if in your world it does not matter. I do not want to think that positives do not matter in your world, but your posting does not give me that.

You basically chastize her for believing him and ridicule her for being patriotic. So basically you not only discarded the information, you had to shoot the messenger too.

Apparently when one becomes a "liberal thinker" one must abandon all compassion and the ability to think for one's self outside of any agenda. It starts in the brain and finds it's way out the mouth, but never even hesitates on its way past the heart. Sounds like a pretty desolate world to me. Which probably explains these posts.
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Ground invasion may be necessary.
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Who has left this hole in the ground? sm

Keith Olbermann's Special Comments on Bush:  Who has left this hold in the ground?  We have not forgotten, Mr. President.  You have.  May this country forgive you. 


http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/09/11/keith-olbermanns-special-commnet-on-bush-who-has-left-this-hole-in-the-ground-we-have-not-forgotten-mr-president-you-have-may-this-country-forgive-you/


Also enjoys one-on-one ground-level
Wonder if she follows indigenous rule and only slays what she can eat? Not likely, considering her affinity for guns. What a gal, what a gal!
Yup - running it straight into the ground.
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I think we have found common ground
I don't usually agree with you, but in this case I do think we have found a common ground. I am amazed at the homophobia displayed here. I find it frightening that people can be so prejudiced. By the way, this is a pretty impressive list. Just think what we would have missed out on without the genius and talent of these individuals.
You tred on danger uniformed ground. NI
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A government that taxes businesses into the ground...
is a main cause of offshoring. It costs more in taxes to do business in America than any other country in the world save one. And Obama wants to tax them even more, even the small business owners of the S corporation type. In order to fund a cut in tax for the people already in the lowest bracket who pay the lowest amount anyway. Thereby causing more small businesses to fail or cut back on staffing...causing more job loss instead of job creation. Sorry...that makes no sense to me.
Israel has lauched ground operation...(sm)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28404637


Notice the number of civilian casualties already.  I guess the US is going to ignore that as well.


Thanks for creating a breeding ground for terrorists W!











Subject: Fwd: Fw: ISRAELI'S ASSESMENT OF OUR SECURITY


 
















































 















Juval Aviv was the Israeli Agent upon whom the movie ' Munich ' was based. He was Golda Meir's bodyguard -- she appointed him to track down and bring to justice the Palestinian terrorists who took the Israeli athletes hostage and killed them during the Munich Olympic Games. 
    
In a lecture in New York City a few weeks ago, he shared information that EVERY American needs to know -- but that our government has not yet shared with us.
    
He predicted the London subway bombing on the Bill O'Reilly show on Fox News stating publicly that it would happen within a week. At the time, O'Reilly laughed and mocked him saying that in a week he wanted him back on the show. But, unfortunately, within a week the terrorist attack had occurred.




 



Juval Aviv gave intelligence (via what he had gathered in Israel and the Middle East ) to the Bush Administration about 9/11 a month before it occurred. His report specifically said they would use planes as bombs and target high profile buildings and monuments. Congress has since hired him as a security consultant.




 



Now for his future predictions. He predicts the next terrorist attack on the U.S. will occur within the next few months.  




 



Forget hijacking airplanes, because he says terrorists will NEVER try and hijack a plane again as they know the people onboard will never go down quietly again. Aviv believes our airport security is a joke -- that we have been reactionary rather than proactive in developing strategies that are truly effective.      
    
For example: 
    
1) Our airport technology is outdated. We look for metal, and the new explosives are made of plastic. 
    
2) He talked about how some idjit tried to light his shoe on fire. Because of that, now everyone has to take off their shoes. A group of idiots tried to bring aboard liquid explosives. Now we can't bring liquids on board. He says he's waiting for some suicidal maniac to pour liquid explosive on his underwear; at which point, security wil l have us all traveling naked! Every strategy we have is 'reactionary.'       
    
3) We only focus on security when people are heading to the gates. 
    
Aviv says that if a terrorist attack targets airports in the future, they will target busy times on the front end of the airport when/where people are checking in. It would be easy for someone to take two suitcases of explosives, walk up to a busy check-in line, ask a person next to them to watch their bags for a minute while they run to the restroom or get a drink, and then detonate the bags BEFORE security even gets involved. In Israel , security checks bags BEFORE people can even ENTER the airport.      




 



Aviv says the next terrorist attack here in America is imminent and will involve suicide bombers and non-suicide bombers in places where large groups of people congregate. (i. e., Disneyland, Las Vegas casinos, big cities (New York, San Francisco, Chicago, etc.) and that it will also include shopping malls, subways i n rush hour, train stations, etc., as well as rural America this time (Wyoming, Montana, etc.). 
    
The attack will be characterized by simultaneous detonations around the country (terrorists like big impact), involving at least 5-8 cities, including rural areas.         
    
Aviv says terrorists won't need to use suicide bombers in many of the larger cities, because at places like the MGM Grand in Las Vegas , they can simply valet park a car loaded with explosives and walk away.




 



Aviv says all of the above is well known in intelligence circles, but that our U. S. government does not want to 'alarm American citizens' with the facts.




 



The world is quickly going to become 'a different place', and issues like 'global warming' and political correctness will become totally irrelevant. 
    
On an encouraging note, he says that Americans don't have to be concerned about being nuked. Aviv says the terrorists who want to destroy America will not use sophisticated weapons. They like to use suicide as a front-line approach. It's cheap, it's easy, it's effective; and they have an infinite abundance of young militants more than willing to 'meet their destiny'.           
    
He also says the next level of terrorists, over which America should be most concerned, will not be coming from abroad. But will be, instead, 'homegrown' -- having attended and been educated in our own schools and universities right here in the U. S. He says to look for 'students' who frequently travel back and forth to the Middle East . These young terrorists will be most dangerous because they will know our language and will fully understand the habits of Americans; but that we Americans won't know/understand a thing about them.     
    
Aviv says that, as a people, Americans are unaware and uneducated about the terroristic threats we w ill, inevitably, face. America still has only have a handful of Arabic and Farsi speaking people in our intelligence networks, and Aviv says it is critical that we change that fact SOON.




 



So, what can America do to protect itself?




 



From an intelligence perspective, Aviv says the U.S. needs to stop relying on satellites and technology for intelligence. We need to, instead, follow Israel 's, Ireland 's and England 's hands-on examples of human intelligence, both from an infiltration perspective as well as to trust 'aware' citizens to help. We need to engage and educate ourselves as citizens; however, our U. S. government continues to treat us, its citizens, 'like babies'. Our government thinks we 'can't handle the truth' and are concerned that we'll panic if we understand the realities of terrorism. Aviv says this is a deadly mistake.& nbsp;  
    
Aviv recently created/executed a security test for our Congress, by placing an empty briefcase in five well-traveled spots in five major cities. The results? Not one person called 911 or sought a policeman to check it out. In fact, in Chicago , someone tried to steal the briefcase!




 



In comparison, Aviv says that citizens of Israel are so well 'trained' that an unattended bag or package would be reported in seconds by citizen(s) who know to publicly shout, 'Unattended Bag!' The area would be quickly & calmly cleared by the citizens themselves. But, unfortunately, America hasn't been yet 'hurt enough' by terrorism for their government to fully understand the need to educate its citizens or for the government to understand that it's their citizens who are, inevitably, the best first-line of defense against terrorism.




 



Aviv also was concerned about the high number of children here in America who were in preschool and kindergarten after 9/11, who were 'lost' without parents being able to pick them up, and about ours schools that had no plan in place to best care for the students until parents could get there. (In New York City , this was days, in some cases!)              




 



He stresses the importance of having a plan, that's agreed upon within your family, to respond to in the event of a terroristic emergency. He urges parents to contact their children's schools and demand that the schools, too, develop plans of actions, as they do in Israel .            
    
Does your family know what to do if you can't contact one another by phone? Where would you gather in an emergency? He says we should all have a plan that is easy enough for even our youngest children to remember and follow. 
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Aviv says that the U. S. government has in force a plan that, in the event of another terrorist attack, will immediately cut-off EVERYONE's ability to use cell phones, blackberries, etc., as this is the preferred communication source used by terrorists and is often the WA y that their bombs are detonated.        
    
How will you communicate with your loved ones in the event you cannot speak? You need to have a plan.  

He did not let it touch the ground - he didn't "wad" it up
If that's what you saw, then the only thing I can say is you were all for the Mexican flag flying above the American flag. This hero came in and cut it away from the other flag and did not let it touch the ground (which you obviously do not know is a sign of respect). But you cannot fold it properly by yourself. He also had the courage to stand in front of the camera and give his name and what he was doing. He did not wad up the flag, he put it under his arm to take back to wherever he went and give it the respect it deserves. The people who had their flag flying above the American flag should be arrested, deported back to Mexico where they can fly their flag above others, and their business should be shut down. What do you think would have happened if someone had flown the American flag above the mexican flag in their own country?

Get a grip!!!!!!!!
I no more understand it than I understand the extremely poor taste and blasphemous sm
post with pictures on the other board.  Are we clear now?
The longer this goes on, the bigger terrorist breading ground sm
Iraq becomes. This is getting past ridiculous. Now, I don't think we should just pull out, but I think we need to let them have it, and there will be more US casualties, and get out ASAP.
You take the moral high ground and watch video
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