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I think we have found common ground

Posted By: cj on 2009-06-09
In Reply to: If I were you....(sm) - Just the big bad

I don't usually agree with you, but in this case I do think we have found a common ground. I am amazed at the homophobia displayed here. I find it frightening that people can be so prejudiced. By the way, this is a pretty impressive list. Just think what we would have missed out on without the genius and talent of these individuals.


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Common ground! Woo-hoo! nm

Oil above ground..........sm
I live on an 88-acre farm that is bisected by a creek. When my grandfather was live, back in the 1940s, he used to see oil on the top of the water in the creek, so he always believed there was oil on our place. There are several companies drilling all around us, but none have drilled on our place yet. We are leased until September with the company we are with now, so they had better hurry up if they want to drill here. When they were doing the seisomgraph work, the blasts messed up our wells, too.
Breeding ground

I agree 100%.  When it's all said and done, there won't only be more of them, but they will have gained a lot of training and experience due to the extensive "practice" they've had in Iraq.  I'm just afraid they will take all that and bring it here to the US.  I'm also afraid this is going to continue for years and years.  I thought this whole thing was described as being swift when Bush declared war.


I also wonder which life was better for Iraqis:  Saddam Hussein's regime or George W. Bush's regime.


The videos that gt posted really hit me hard.  One of them gave a glimpse of what life was like before we got there and what it was like once we invaded and occupied their country.


I would feel much more secure if steps were taken in this country to protect us, but I feel that another terror attack is inevitable, and I'm afraid the next one is going to be much worse than 9/11.  I really fear for my daughter, son-in-law and grandchildren.  Even if a miracle occurs and we aren't all obliterated under Bush's regime, my grandchildren will be paying for his war for decades to come.


This whole thing was just wrong, wrong, wrong, and I, too, wish we would just get it over with, kick some serious *s* and get out of there.


I believe that her having a son with boots on the ground...
qualifies her as the "resident expert" much more than you, Think liberal. Would it not? She is getting her information first hand. Where are you getting yours?

Why does she take it personally? You might want to put your brain in neutral and let compassion take over for a moment...it is not fatal. Then, I am thinking, you would not have asked such a silly question.

"It has nothing to do with the troops." Excuse me, WHAT??

There was suffering, starvation and death in Iraq long before we got there. At the hands of their "President." He still has a higher death toll of his own people than the casualities of this war from start to now. I personally would love to see the war footage, the Iraqi interviews, etc., on the cutting room floor at CNN...at MSNBC...at the networks. What never made it to the screen. What never made it past major news outlets' editors. Yep, I would LOVE to see that.

"Liberal thinker..." the difference appears to me to be, in you and that woman who posted about her son, is that she is honest and was not speaking from any political position and defending her son (and the military in general) from your attack. If her son was sending different pics and telling her that the war is not working, we should get out, etc., she would not be ignoring what he said and posting here to further a political agenda. She would most likely be posting what her son said and agreeing with you. Because her son is there, he has first-hand knowledge, and she believes him. On the other hand you, when presented with positive evidence from the horse's mouth, totally ignore and minimize it, as if in your world it does not matter. I do not want to think that positives do not matter in your world, but your posting does not give me that.

You basically chastize her for believing him and ridicule her for being patriotic. So basically you not only discarded the information, you had to shoot the messenger too.

Apparently when one becomes a "liberal thinker" one must abandon all compassion and the ability to think for one's self outside of any agenda. It starts in the brain and finds it's way out the mouth, but never even hesitates on its way past the heart. Sounds like a pretty desolate world to me. Which probably explains these posts.
Ground invasion may be necessary.
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Who has left this hole in the ground? sm

Keith Olbermann's Special Comments on Bush:  Who has left this hold in the ground?  We have not forgotten, Mr. President.  You have.  May this country forgive you. 


http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/09/11/keith-olbermanns-special-commnet-on-bush-who-has-left-this-hole-in-the-ground-we-have-not-forgotten-mr-president-you-have-may-this-country-forgive-you/


Also enjoys one-on-one ground-level
Wonder if she follows indigenous rule and only slays what she can eat? Not likely, considering her affinity for guns. What a gal, what a gal!
I think Bush has run this country into the ground.
the better with Obama in office instead of McCain and whatever her name is?????
Yup - running it straight into the ground.
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You tred on danger uniformed ground. NI
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A government that taxes businesses into the ground...
is a main cause of offshoring. It costs more in taxes to do business in America than any other country in the world save one. And Obama wants to tax them even more, even the small business owners of the S corporation type. In order to fund a cut in tax for the people already in the lowest bracket who pay the lowest amount anyway. Thereby causing more small businesses to fail or cut back on staffing...causing more job loss instead of job creation. Sorry...that makes no sense to me.
Israel has lauched ground operation...(sm)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28404637


Notice the number of civilian casualties already.  I guess the US is going to ignore that as well.


Thanks for creating a breeding ground for terrorists W!











Subject: Fwd: Fw: ISRAELI'S ASSESMENT OF OUR SECURITY


 
















































 















Juval Aviv was the Israeli Agent upon whom the movie ' Munich ' was based. He was Golda Meir's bodyguard -- she appointed him to track down and bring to justice the Palestinian terrorists who took the Israeli athletes hostage and killed them during the Munich Olympic Games. 
    
In a lecture in New York City a few weeks ago, he shared information that EVERY American needs to know -- but that our government has not yet shared with us.
    
He predicted the London subway bombing on the Bill O'Reilly show on Fox News stating publicly that it would happen within a week. At the time, O'Reilly laughed and mocked him saying that in a week he wanted him back on the show. But, unfortunately, within a week the terrorist attack had occurred.




 



Juval Aviv gave intelligence (via what he had gathered in Israel and the Middle East ) to the Bush Administration about 9/11 a month before it occurred. His report specifically said they would use planes as bombs and target high profile buildings and monuments. Congress has since hired him as a security consultant.




 



Now for his future predictions. He predicts the next terrorist attack on the U.S. will occur within the next few months.  




 



Forget hijacking airplanes, because he says terrorists will NEVER try and hijack a plane again as they know the people onboard will never go down quietly again. Aviv believes our airport security is a joke -- that we have been reactionary rather than proactive in developing strategies that are truly effective.      
    
For example: 
    
1) Our airport technology is outdated. We look for metal, and the new explosives are made of plastic. 
    
2) He talked about how some idjit tried to light his shoe on fire. Because of that, now everyone has to take off their shoes. A group of idiots tried to bring aboard liquid explosives. Now we can't bring liquids on board. He says he's waiting for some suicidal maniac to pour liquid explosive on his underwear; at which point, security wil l have us all traveling naked! Every strategy we have is 'reactionary.'       
    
3) We only focus on security when people are heading to the gates. 
    
Aviv says that if a terrorist attack targets airports in the future, they will target busy times on the front end of the airport when/where people are checking in. It would be easy for someone to take two suitcases of explosives, walk up to a busy check-in line, ask a person next to them to watch their bags for a minute while they run to the restroom or get a drink, and then detonate the bags BEFORE security even gets involved. In Israel , security checks bags BEFORE people can even ENTER the airport.      




 



Aviv says the next terrorist attack here in America is imminent and will involve suicide bombers and non-suicide bombers in places where large groups of people congregate. (i. e., Disneyland, Las Vegas casinos, big cities (New York, San Francisco, Chicago, etc.) and that it will also include shopping malls, subways i n rush hour, train stations, etc., as well as rural America this time (Wyoming, Montana, etc.). 
    
The attack will be characterized by simultaneous detonations around the country (terrorists like big impact), involving at least 5-8 cities, including rural areas.         
    
Aviv says terrorists won't need to use suicide bombers in many of the larger cities, because at places like the MGM Grand in Las Vegas , they can simply valet park a car loaded with explosives and walk away.




 



Aviv says all of the above is well known in intelligence circles, but that our U. S. government does not want to 'alarm American citizens' with the facts.




 



The world is quickly going to become 'a different place', and issues like 'global warming' and political correctness will become totally irrelevant. 
    
On an encouraging note, he says that Americans don't have to be concerned about being nuked. Aviv says the terrorists who want to destroy America will not use sophisticated weapons. They like to use suicide as a front-line approach. It's cheap, it's easy, it's effective; and they have an infinite abundance of young militants more than willing to 'meet their destiny'.           
    
He also says the next level of terrorists, over which America should be most concerned, will not be coming from abroad. But will be, instead, 'homegrown' -- having attended and been educated in our own schools and universities right here in the U. S. He says to look for 'students' who frequently travel back and forth to the Middle East . These young terrorists will be most dangerous because they will know our language and will fully understand the habits of Americans; but that we Americans won't know/understand a thing about them.     
    
Aviv says that, as a people, Americans are unaware and uneducated about the terroristic threats we w ill, inevitably, face. America still has only have a handful of Arabic and Farsi speaking people in our intelligence networks, and Aviv says it is critical that we change that fact SOON.




 



So, what can America do to protect itself?




 



From an intelligence perspective, Aviv says the U.S. needs to stop relying on satellites and technology for intelligence. We need to, instead, follow Israel 's, Ireland 's and England 's hands-on examples of human intelligence, both from an infiltration perspective as well as to trust 'aware' citizens to help. We need to engage and educate ourselves as citizens; however, our U. S. government continues to treat us, its citizens, 'like babies'. Our government thinks we 'can't handle the truth' and are concerned that we'll panic if we understand the realities of terrorism. Aviv says this is a deadly mistake.& nbsp;  
    
Aviv recently created/executed a security test for our Congress, by placing an empty briefcase in five well-traveled spots in five major cities. The results? Not one person called 911 or sought a policeman to check it out. In fact, in Chicago , someone tried to steal the briefcase!




 



In comparison, Aviv says that citizens of Israel are so well 'trained' that an unattended bag or package would be reported in seconds by citizen(s) who know to publicly shout, 'Unattended Bag!' The area would be quickly & calmly cleared by the citizens themselves. But, unfortunately, America hasn't been yet 'hurt enough' by terrorism for their government to fully understand the need to educate its citizens or for the government to understand that it's their citizens who are, inevitably, the best first-line of defense against terrorism.




 



Aviv also was concerned about the high number of children here in America who were in preschool and kindergarten after 9/11, who were 'lost' without parents being able to pick them up, and about ours schools that had no plan in place to best care for the students until parents could get there. (In New York City , this was days, in some cases!)              




 



He stresses the importance of having a plan, that's agreed upon within your family, to respond to in the event of a terroristic emergency. He urges parents to contact their children's schools and demand that the schools, too, develop plans of actions, as they do in Israel .            
    
Does your family know what to do if you can't contact one another by phone? Where would you gather in an emergency? He says we should all have a plan that is easy enough for even our youngest children to remember and follow. 
  & nbsp; 
Aviv says that the U. S. government has in force a plan that, in the event of another terrorist attack, will immediately cut-off EVERYONE's ability to use cell phones, blackberries, etc., as this is the preferred communication source used by terrorists and is often the WA y that their bombs are detonated.        
    
How will you communicate with your loved ones in the event you cannot speak? You need to have a plan.  

He did not let it touch the ground - he didn't "wad" it up
If that's what you saw, then the only thing I can say is you were all for the Mexican flag flying above the American flag. This hero came in and cut it away from the other flag and did not let it touch the ground (which you obviously do not know is a sign of respect). But you cannot fold it properly by yourself. He also had the courage to stand in front of the camera and give his name and what he was doing. He did not wad up the flag, he put it under his arm to take back to wherever he went and give it the respect it deserves. The people who had their flag flying above the American flag should be arrested, deported back to Mexico where they can fly their flag above others, and their business should be shut down. What do you think would have happened if someone had flown the American flag above the mexican flag in their own country?

Get a grip!!!!!!!!
The longer this goes on, the bigger terrorist breading ground sm
Iraq becomes. This is getting past ridiculous. Now, I don't think we should just pull out, but I think we need to let them have it, and there will be more US casualties, and get out ASAP.
You take the moral high ground and watch video
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For me change. Bush had experience and look what he did...run our economy down to the ground..nm
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The breeding ground started long before Bush
I for one have never cared for allowing Iranian and Iraqi students into this country; I went to school over 20 years ago where Iranian and Iraqi students came to study, but we were always curious as to what they were really doing here. They were not sociable, did not want to tell you why they were here, and constantly went back and forth to their country several times a semester. They never even tried to fit in with their surroundings. They were openly vulgar and critical of the United States, but we allowed their sorry butts here to study?

If they want an education, let them get it in their own country and somewhere else. I don't feel sorry for them one bit. When we asked why we never saw any female Iranian/Iraqi students, they were always quick to let us know females were not important, did not need to be educated, and that God did not make females their equal. And they were always quick to let us know they believed ALL western females to be whore-like and sluts.
But doesn't shale oil extraction use huge amounts of ground water? sm
I've heard there are enviromental issues that we haven't really delved into yet, such as contamination of your drinking water if you're on a well.
I understand that, if the people on the ground in hurricane country werwe not immediately alarmed...
why on earth would someone expect George Bush to be? He was relying on the local and state authorities to do their jobs. Kathleen Blanco knows that she messed up...which is why she is no longer in LA politics. All I am saying that everyone should share the blame...not one man.
Well, we do have something in common...
I would vote for your dog before I would vote for any of the Democrats running.

Have a nice day, LD.
So you 2 have a lot in common.
Seriously, hon, let it go. Your childish jeering says volumes about your lack of emotional maturity.

And you have the superballs to snipe about Palin's intelligence? She's a governor. She's articulate. And intelligent.

And you are......so far you haven't proven to be any of those things.
That might be more common than you think...
we ran across that while trying to sell our house. Every real estate agent looked up online how much we paid and then tried to get the price way down based on that number. Of course, they did not know that we bought it way below market value and that we put a lot of money and work into it.
The only thing I have in common with SP
is that we were both pregnant when we got married. My daughter is 19 and never been pregnant. I don't own a gun. I am not religious. And I don't have a tanning bed.
No, that just has to do with some common sense
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You need to get some common decency. nm
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No, but I do have common sense.
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Exactly! Thanks for being common sense
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Well, for those with common sense
it's no secret that MORE money will have to be printed to pay for all those ridiculous programs and trillions of dollars in junk stuff. The dollar is worth nadda right now, so it will be worth nil afterwards. How much lower can you go?

Anyone with half a brain knows even if we weren't paying for a wars, that wouldn't even touch the money needed to cover the trillion dollar screwover job he's doing to the American people. He can cut this and cut that and call it duplicate programs, blah, blah, blah, but what good is that when he turns around and ADDS and ADDS more and more trillions of dollars in spending programs?

Government has never and WILL NEVER be the ones who know how to spend your money. All you Obama lovers need to stop pointing fingers at the republicans. Republicans AND Democrats spend too much; that's why it continues to this day. Doesn't matter who is in office. BUT, this is one president who has absolutely gone crazy with spending..........and we thought Jimmy Carter was a nut!!
Common Decency
I have a very strong backbone and am not offended by anything posted on this board because I take into consideration the ignorance of the posters. I am, however, a decent human being who refuses to lower myself to your level by using a phrase that relates to one of the most horrific acts of our time. Your lack of compassion for the people who died in Jonestown says volumes about you!

Fortunately, since I do not come into personal contact with people such as yourself, I find this board very enlightening and have no intention of finding a different board to frequent.
Can I put a more common perspectiveon this?.....sm
I am sorry that I brought up Rush's drug problems and buying prescription drugs illegally through his housekeeper, or whatever. I guess what makes me mad is he puts himself out there as the moral majority, he presents himself as an ultimate authority passing judgement freely, but I am sure HE does not want to be judged. And as for Barack's drug use, how many of us, as stupid kids, might have taken a hit off a joint, or tried something. Perhaps he dabbled a bit in cocaine, I don't remember, and I am not excusing that at all, but it is NOT THE SAME as being addicted or a junkie. That is really slanderous talk.
Common sense would say

that prices may go down a tad bit, but don't be looking to get a car for free. Dealerships still have to at least break even on vehicles to survive.  They can't just give a car away for nothing.  Dealerships are hurting big time right now and people have the common misconception that they will sell something really cheap because they are hurting.  Well selling something and taking a huge loss isn't going to help that dealership so why would they do it?  These salesmen work on commission and they are starving here.  What is the point of working if they can't make anything off of a car to feed their family? 


If I were you....I'd just kind of shop around but I highly doubt that prices are going to drop dramatically.  Even if Chrysler files bankruptcy.....that doesn't mean dealerships selling them will file too.  It certainly won't help sales but it doesn't automatically mean they are going under too.  They still have a product to sell and to make money off of to survive.


Did your common sense tell you...(sm)
that I wasn't talking to you?  
Common sense...
some have it...some don't...
what makes these 2 so much different? They have a lot of common,
overlapping characteristics.

Where is your answer?
Have none?
Yes, well, you and the Dixie Chicks have a lot in common. sm
Only a few more years, Lurker.  Hopefully, the hatred most here feel for him will not have consumed them before then.
Lack of common sense

An 83-year-old woman is too old, most likely, to be of much assistance in Iraq.  Not ruling it out totally, but most likely this is the case.  I have gleaned from the posts I have read that the rah-rah-war conservatives doing most of the posting are fairly able-bodied, some in their 30s, some in their 50s and some older.  I am 52 and if I truly truly believed in this war I feel I would be over there doing what I could to support that effort (especially since many over there do NOT want to be there and have serious qualms about our involvement).  But go ahead, call me names and make even more ENDLESS excuses why you won't go.  Maybe even mention a 95-year-old or a 5-year-old that supports the war as examples of folks who aren't over there. 


In the meantime I read more and more that the Taliban and Al-Qaeda continue to grow and operate at ease and at will in a large area of Afghanistan near Pakistan. 


It common sense - if we can afford one
Simple as that.  You can twist it around as much as you want, but the truth is the money is there, and it is just about priorities.  I am not trying to personally attack you.  I have not resorted to childish name calling or anything like that, I just think your view is warped, and you obviously think my view is wrong, and we will obviously never agree on this issue.
Exactly, that is the common thread in Democratic...
party these days. And the only way to end that stalemate in Waashington is for that, for lack of a better word...crap to stop. McCain and Palin are reaching across the aisle, saying they are willing to work with democrats to stop the stalemate...country first. McCain says he wants Democrats and Independents in his cabinet. Country first. This election is a no-brainer for this Independent. McCain/Palin.
There is also such a thing as common sense.
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You would say that. Common sense is lost to the
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Common sense and ethics

seems to become less and less around these days.  I  agree with your post.  The b/c issue is so the least of my worries and I simply don't understand exactly what it is the supporters of same want to accomplish.


I fear we haven't seen anything yet.  Heard on CNN (which of course some will say is  not credible) that the unemployment rate could reach 20% within the next few months.  I should think with MTs not having enough work now, that would keep them sufficiently busy worrying.  I don't know what Obama will do.  All I know to do is pray.  I think it is entirely possible that Bush AND the congress have put us so far in the tank there may not be any way out economically.  My guess is that we will be taken over by one of our creditor nations and there goes what's left of our freedom, certainly the freedom to get on the internet and state our thoughts.  But then Bush has bought himself a ranch in Argentina isn't it?  So if his residence in Big D doesn't suit him along with the condition he has left this country in, he has an escape.  Unfortunately most of us can't afford that luxury so we'll be left to deal with the mess he and the idiot congress have left us along with a massive debt in proportions I cannot begin to comprehend.


Yes, there are many more things at this point that are far more important than the b/c issue.  Wouldn't surprise me if these lawsuits are being filed to dupe people who believe everything they hear.  As I've said before, I do not believe that those who are keeping this b/c thing rolling posting the same thing over and over and over are actually MTs.  I think they are promoting a political agenda.  I have said this before and I notice no one has posted challenging my thoughts.


I had a great holiday.  Thanks for asking.  I hope you had a great time too.


No, some of us have values and common sense.
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It is just common sense that the economy has to ...sm
come first before any big changes are made. When change is made it needs to be slow and deliberate.
thought u would have enough common sense

when I posted my original post FOCA I was responding to some people below, if you do not like my posts or are sick of hearing about the video, then common sense tells you, dont read my posts.  A blah blah blah post or I'm sick of hearing it post, really doesn't have anything constructive to offer to the conversation.  If you are sick of hearing it, move on already.  No one asked you to comment.  And what the heck is a diest anyway?  My what they come up with these days. 


Agree. You'd think it would be common sense.
Tax breaks for the top 2% and corporations, or tax breaks and programs to get the economy going again for working people. I don't understand why so many working-class republicans fight against their own interests.
Ron Paul's common sense
never fails to restore my faith in the democratic process. His ideas are rooted in thoughtful, down-to-earth analysis and free of partisan affiliation and agendas. It makes me proud when an elected official has the guts to stand up and speak against US involvement in the Middle East, call it exactly what it is and in the next breath expouse the wisdom of centrism when speaking on the economy and the bail outs. I hope he's around for many years to come.
What we need is a common-sense quotient.
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Sorry Shelly, but the common thread
parental responsibility versus government interference. You folks can't have it both ways. I have no problem, big or otherwise, understanding these concepts, but you, on the other hand, need to take off those blinders. Government interference in responsible parenting applies to both situations in exactly the same context, that being one of expecting laws to act as the eyes, ears and voices of reason for parents on behalf of their children.

What's that you say? Parents don't have time to be with their children while in the library? Huh? If they don't, what makes you think the government sould be held responsible for this?

I'm not interested in straw issues. Rather, I want to see the constitutional ban on government censorship enforced with clenched teeth while parents stop whining and expecting government to do their jobs for them. Government censorship is a steep and slippery slope. I can't think of ANYTHING that poses more of a threat to our democracy than that and am happy to see a deputy AG nominee who understands that.
Glad to know there are still posters with common
JTBB wouldn't know facts if it bit her in the butt. Same posts over and over, bashing Bush with absolutely NO facts but when facts are presented back, JTBB absolutely goes bezerk and starts ranting more and more about Bush. Made all these accusations when Obama was running for president, bashing Bush and actually rambled on and on about HIM destroying the constitution? Well, Bush has signed things into law which are against the constitution BUT I think it's about time JTBB got off the Obama love fest wagon and realize her precious Obama is just about to sink this country..........he doesn't even BELIEVE in the constitution let alone our civil rights.

Hope your post shuts JTBB up for a while until the Bush rants start again....
That is the ONLY common sense thing he
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