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Posted By: the pledge. nm on 2008-09-17
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And my politics and faith are hand in hand. Plus I'm just answering her question.
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The 2 issues you describe usually go hand-in-hand.
keep women out of power. The old 'barefoot-and-pregnant' story. As a feminist, I wouldn't vote for a candidate who was against EITHER issue. Being pro-choice has nothing to do with hating babies, etc. Pro-choice has to do with keeping a very personal, private choice just that: Personal & Private, between a woman and her doctor, and no-one else. If a woman hasn't any power over her OWN reproductive system, and whether or not the time is right (if ever) to bear a child, she certainly isn't going to be given much else to be in charge of, either.
The only reason this issue EVER became a hotbed political issue is that the religious fanatics in this country, who have been trying to control the reins of government, picked an issue that was certain to divide people. They took this choice out of the doctor's office and put it in the public eye so that the country could be divided, and in that way 'conquered'. Have to hand it to 'em, some of the campaign tactics, as repugnant as they are, have been pretty slick. Shows they've got some pretty fancy lawyers. The terrorist tactics (threatening, and even sometimes killing) docs who perform TABs; harrassing women entering family-planning clinics; and chasing some family planning clinics out of some towns.
There used to be a clinic a few blocks from my home, and every Friday this looney-tune and his whacked-out buddies would block park a truck with pictures of fetuses on it, and would block an entire sidewalk with their signs, fake babies (dolls), themselves, etc. I guess they think they're scaring people with their pictures & signs, but it only serves to infuriate them. In large part, the attempts to overthrow Roe vs Wade by the religious lunatics of the world is one of the main reasons I stopped voting Republican after Ronald Reagan, and voted Democratic instead.
And then of course there is the issue of our jobs. When that all started going down the toilet (or shall I say - to the Third World) I realized the 'trickle-down effect' I'd been led to believe when I was a Republican in the past was a lie. It doesn't trickle DOWN, the money only gushes UP -- to the ones who already have the most of it.
politics and religion go hand in hand...
Whether or not we like it, many of our laws are governed by religion. Without some sort of religion, who is to say that murder is "wrong," thus making it a religious argument, not a political one (by your methodology) and, yet, we still have a law against it.
I have seen some bullying get out of hand first hand
during the same grocery strikes that I referred to in the very small town where I grew up. Scabs were beat up and such. I am not saying it's the norm, but there can be tremendous pressure to vote one way or another--as can be seen right here.
LOL My dad taught me to
shoot with a 12-gauge shotgun that had belonged to his dad. That dadgone thing would kick so hard it's a wonder I didn't shoot myself! Went on to learn to shoot rifles and handguns. I don't hunt either but let's just say it wouldn't be a good idea to stand where I'm fixin' to shoot. LOL
First of all...who taught you how to
spell potato? Second of all....even if we let N. Korea be...there is no stopping them from nuking us if they really want to. You cannot reason with these people. Give em an inch, they take a mile. Being nice to them and bending to their threats won't make them like us any more. It will show weakness and they will continue to make threats to get what they want. The only time bullies stop is when someone is big enough to stand up to them.
I do not agree about what we were taught...
Just my opinion and FYI....
I do not agree with what you said *all jews are taught that the story of Job is a play and did not really happen* (or words to that effect). I am Jewish and had an orthodox father and I also had 8 years of formal studies on Saturdays and then Sundays, and in my Holy Scriptures from 1917 which I just checked (Old Testament) on page 924 is the story of Job, and we, where I come from, were never taught that the story of Job was not true.
Guess we were all taught somewhat different....all of us, everywhere...it's what makes the world go round actually.
Me too, GP......my dad taught me to shoot...
when the rifle recoil would still knock me on my little rear. I learned real quick to spread stance...lol. I was not and still am not a hunter...though my best friend is. To each his/her own...my brother and dad hunted. I can, however, defend myself and my property. And will...unless your guy is elected. I look for them to want to change gun laws. I know what he SAYS about it...I just don't believe him. :)
Excuse me but I was taught
abstinence only in school and if I would have had a daughter, I would never have allowed her on birth control pills, etc. because of the risk of blood clots, heart attacks, and it being almost a consent to have sex before marriage. I see nothing wrong with teaching abstinence only.
I always remember what my mom and dad taught me growing up
Treat others how you want to be treated. Don't call people names if you wouldn't want to be called names. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and if you don't like what is being said (this pertained more to racial slurs in public when they would look at me and call me a name) keep walking and soon you will not hear them talk anymore.
Hope the board will now come back to what it is meant for. You have a good night and don't let people get to you. You are a valuable person with valuable ideas and thoughts and that's what makes our country a wonderful place.
Shouldn't someone who taught school
for 20 years know it's 'twice as well to be thought half as good"? And besides, that slogan was stolen from the feminist movement. A woman has to work twice as hard and do twice as well to be thought half as good as a man."
No points for originality. Minus 1 point for grammar.
Tolerance is NOT what they're being taught......
What they are doing is pushing crap down the throats of little children, undermining what their parents are teaching them at home. My children were not taught homosexuality is "okay" but neither were they taught to hate others just because they live a lifestyle that is different. There is a huge difference. Public education is paid for by the "taxpayers", not the federal govt, who is allowing this garbage in the first place. Obviously the federal govt forgot where they get their money from as well!!
If tolerance is your ONLY argument, they why aren't they teaching tolerance of the Bible, prolife, etc. THe list could go on and on. We all know what is going on here..... PUSHING A GAY AGENDA in a public school.
Children are sent to school to learn knowledge skills, not how John and Matt like to live together, which in case you don't get it, is morality. The last place I want my children learning morality is at school. They should be taught that at home in the first place. They see enough garbage in school as it is.
children were being taught to accept the
lifestyle of homosexuals in their sex education classes, is that right? Might we assume that is why you don't teach them your views on this issue at home? Please explain the great truth you found in JTBB's post to us.
Your mamma taught you no manners. Nice to have
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Grandma taught me that only BORING people
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Maybe because the Christians taught the Muslims how to be ruthless...
murderers during the Crusades? Good enough reason for me.
Rush Limbaugh taught 'em how!
 Desperate to say something bad, even if they have to fake the film to do it! Because they know their loyal viewers are such sheep they'll believe anything they see on their show as gospel - even if it is debunked later!
What we were taught though was to SING the Star Spangled Banner...sm
Hand over the heart and sing the words. It amazes me that not everyone does that, but that is what I was taught. Most people do not even know the words.
Good point. I see no problem with both points of view being taught...
and letting indivdiuals decide. Isn't that what America is about?
Take heart, MT ME -
...Maybe they will knock the comet into the earth on July 4th and we won't have to worry about SCOTUS anymore, LOL!
or hopefully not, heh...
Take heart, AG. sm
Not all Jews believe like this poster. I was reading recently about a conference in Washington by conservative Jews, Ben Stein being among them, and a lot of others, including many Rabbis, who are distressed at the pro-abortion stance of some Jews, including the partial birth abortion stance. Not all Jews believe the same, just as not all Christians do. According to the Mishnah (Sanhedrin 4:5): Whoever destroys one life is as if he destroyed a whole world, and whoever preserves a life is as if he preserved the whole world. This was quoted at the conference. No one person speaks for all. Thank God.
ive got more heart than you ever will
you have no idea about my life so don't assume i haven't seen someone (MANY) with a lot less than me.
2 things i lack? you're one class act i can tell. again, you have no idea about my life so to make a personal attack is ridiculous, ruthless, and sad
Please take this old saying to heart - sm.
"If one person tells you you're dead, seek a second opinion.
If 50 people tell you you're dead, lie down."
Do you think maybe there's a reason the overwhelming majority of people on here think JTBB is a douche? So, when "ONE" (gee, I guess that would be YOU) person starts stroking her monkey and kissing her a$$, don't be surprised that the "MOB" calls you on it.
heart of darkness?
Heart of darkness? Because I want all to have their share in life and not suffer? Heart of darkness? WOW. I would call the super rich who give nothing back to society the heart of darkness. And to me Kruschev saying that was a dark mark on America that he was questioning how we, the richest country on earth, can have homeless when, Russia doesnt. Yes, I believe in socialism. Capitalism never has survived, it has always destroyed itself and from the way the world and America is going, Capitalism isnt gonna be around too much longer..It cant. It is an ideology for the few, the rich few, not for the working masses. No other industrialized country has capitalism like we do. they meet the basic needs for their citizens..Do you know what some super rich call the working class..**the unwashed masses**. I have a quite well off friend and he actually calls them that. I was shocked when he said it in front of me..So you go ahead and defend the capitalist fat cats who think of us as **unwashed masses**. I will defend the people.
Crushes my heart, actually
Doesnt it just crush your heart to think there are people out there that no matter how bad the country is being run, no matter that thousand are dying for a lie, no matter that hundreds died because FEMA just couldnt do the job, that senior administration officials outed a CIA operative, which endangered the United States and all who worked undercover with this operative, that Cheney met with oil officials, no doubt to create an energy policy favorable to the oil industry, on and on and on and on..they still defend this administration when the FACTS are in and more are coming in day in and day out. An upright person would see what is going on and even though they are die-hard republicans, they would realize it is time to bring this administration to task because it is THIS administration not the whole republican party..but no, instead of attacking and questioning this administration, they choose to attack us, *little people* on numerous political boards throughout the internet..
Yes I have a heart and a brain
which are 2 things you lack. If you were raped by your father would you have the baby? Take a walk (not a ride) through the homeless or less than privledged areas in your community. Get a grip lady - deal with reality and stop turning away every time you see someone who has alot less than you. It's not murder you jack a-hole!
and she has a beautiful heart
to go along with her beautiful self
murderous heart
sounds to me as if you have the heart of a true American -NOT. How fitting for you to say such a thing on 9/11- typical democrat? I hope not. shame on you for wishing someone's death.
Well, bless your heart.
Don't you talk pretty, now? Did I mess in your post toasties?
Townhall meetings = can't prepare because you don't know what the questions will be. Obama will NEVER agree to that. If he has nothing to hide and he is prepared, why won't he do it?
ACK! HEART ATTACK!
Did someone just apologize on this board?!?!??!
By golly I think we are gettin somewhere! Maybe we ain't all rurnt!
(South Georgia :-D )
Bless your heart! nm
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Government take God....either he's in your heart
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Thank you from the bottom of my heart ...sm
for posting this, though I feel that it falls on deaf ears. Sadly the bigots and racists are still in denial. I am old and white and it is hard to pull the wool over my eyes too. I voted today for Obama/Biden. The going will be rough for whoever wins, but I have hope with Obama and I have not had this much hope in a long time.
This is so heart-wrenching. I know there is nothing I can say (sm)
to change your feelings on this. I am sure in many ways you are a very good person. But this is just so sad. Because I know there are many who agree with you....and the babies cannot speak up for themselves. But earlier you did say that the baby moving around inside a mother is alive, just doesn't have a soul, just like you feel your cat is alive but doesn't have a soul. Which would make abortion killing a human being who is alive. The law doesn't know when a person gets their soul and neither do you or I. God forbid we should kill a child and be wrong.
here's a girl after my own heart. I have
done my share of camping in the winter inside the house, too. We will probably have a cold winter, we usually do after a hurricane. I had whiskey barrel planters outside that had filled with water and never got any plants put in them and they froze solid that winter; I am 20 miles off the coast. My girlfriend went "skating" on the stock pond that winter and broke through the ice. She says her feet have been cold ever since. Looks like I will be spot heating again this winter, just where I happen to be in sweats and sweaters and an electric blanket or small heater. My son is a train engineer and he tried to tell the boys at the coal plant what would happen, but they were dems and their daddies were dems, etc., and oh, the ripple effect that is coming.
be still my pounding heart
Obama's personal habits are really no one's business but his own. He is honest about the difficulty of giving up an addictive habit especially during the most stressful part of his life so far. Your gripe tells us way more about your values than it does about Obama's. Camel, needle, stone.
Wow! What has this to do with 'grow a heart?'..sm
Do you want to tell me that I should be 'merciful' in judging Michelle?
This your sentence shows me that you do not find her beautiful.
I would not say that she is ugly, but beautiful she is certainly not.
MAYBE it was just the heart of a much better woman!!
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A socialist's heart revealed. sm
No socialist society has ever flourished. You must know that. Kruschev. My God. I can't believe you said that. Well, I am but a passing visitor and I just saw into the heart of darkness. Woweee.
Dick at the Heart of Darkness
Dick at the Heart of Darkness
By Maureen Dowd
The New York Times
Wednesday 26 October 2005
After W. was elected, he sometimes gave visitors a tour of the love alcove off the Oval Office where Bill trysted with Monica - the notorious spot where his predecessor had dishonored the White House.
At least it was only a little pantry - and a little panting.
If W. wants to show people now where the White House has been dishonored in far more astounding and deadly ways, he'll have to haul them around every nook and cranny of his vice president's office, then go across the river for a walk of shame through the Rummy empire at the Pentagon.
The shocking thing about the trellis of revelations showing Dick Cheney, the self-styled Mr. Strong America, as the central figure in dark conspiracies to juice up a case for war and demonize those who tried to tell the public the truth is how un-shocking it all is.
It's exactly what we thought was going on, but we never thought we'd actually hear the lurid details: Cheney and Rummy, the two old compadres from the Nixon and Ford days, in a cabal running the country and the world into the ground, driven by their poisonous obsession with Iraq, while Junior is out of the loop, playing in the gym or on his mountain bike.
Mr. Cheney has been so well protected by his Praetorian guard all these years that it's been hard for the public to see his dastardly deeds and petty schemes. But now, because of Patrick Fitzgerald's investigation and candid talk from Brent Scowcroft and Lawrence Wilkerson, he's been flushed out as the heart of darkness: all sulfurous strands lead back to the man W. aptly nicknamed Vice.
According to a Times story yesterday, Scooter Libby first learned about Joseph Wilson's C.I.A. wife from his boss, Mr. Cheney, not from reporters, as he'd originally suggested. And Mr. Cheney learned it from George Tenet, according to Mr. Libby's notes.
The Bush hawks presented themselves as protectors and exporters of American values. But they were so feverish about projecting the alternate reality they had constructed to link Saddam and Al Qaeda - and fulfilling their idée fixe about invading Iraq - they perverted American values.
Whether or not it turns out to be illegal, outing a C.I.A. agent - undercover or not - simply to undermine her husband's story is Rove-ishly sleazy. This no-leak administration was perfectly willing to leak to hurt anyone who got in its way.
Vice also pressed for a loophole so the C.I.A. could do torture-light on prisoners in U.S. custody, but John McCain rebuffed His Tortureness. Senator McCain has sponsored a measure to bar the cruel treatment of prisoners because he knows that this is not who we are. (Remember the days when the only torture was listening to politicians reciting their best TV lines at dinner parties?)
Colonel Wilkerson, the former chief of staff for Colin Powell, broke the code and denounced Vice's vortex, calling his own involvement in Mr. Powell's U.N. speech, infected with bogus Cheney and Scooter malarkey, the lowest point in his life.
He followed that with a blast of blunt talk in a speech and an op-ed piece in The Los Angeles Times, saying that foreign policy had been hijacked by a secretive, little-known cabal that hated dissent. He said the cabal was headed by Mr. Cheney, a vice president who speaks only to Rush Limbaugh and assembled military forces, and Donald Rumsfeld, a secretary of defense presiding over the death by a thousand cuts of our overstretched armed forces.
I believe that the decisions of this cabal were sometimes made with the full and witting support of the president and sometimes with something less, Colonel Wilkerson wrote. More often than not, then-national security adviser Condoleezza Rice was simply steamrolled by this cabal.
Brent Scowcroft, Bush Senior's close friend, let out a shriek this week to Jeffrey Goldberg in The New Yorker, revealing his estrangement from W. and his old protégé Condi. He disdained Paul Wolfowitz as a naïve utopian and said he didn't know his old friend Dick Cheney anymore. Vice's alliance with the neocons, who were determined to finish in Iraq what Mr. Scowcroft and Poppy had declared finished, led him to lead the nation into a morass. Troop deaths are now around 2,000, a gruesome milestone.
The reason I part with the neocons is that I don't think in any reasonable time frame the objective of democratizing the Middle East can be successful, Mr. Scowcroft said. If you can do it, fine, but I don't think you can, and in the process of trying to do it you can make the Middle East a lot worse.
W. should take the Medal of Freedom away from Mr. Tenet and give medals to Colonel Wilkerson and Mr. Scowcroft
Let's get to the heart of what I originally posted...
CBS, the same network that trotted her back out on Sunday, filed a brief with the US District Court stating emphatically that she was not covert at the time of the incident, therefore the reporters in question should not have to reveal their sources. CBS, like the good liberal mouthpiece it is, was trying to defend the first amendment...freedom of speech and the right of reporters to keep their sources anonymous...you know, to PROTECT whistle-blowers. Any other time, you would be FOR that.
I was pointing out the hypocrisy...CBS filed a brief stating they did not believe she was covert. And then they bring her on their network, supporting her statement that she was.
You cannot have it both ways.
Both of those are facts.
And, logically speaking...if a person goes to the CIA every day, sits at a desk in the CIA offices, gets a check from the CIA, chances are that person works for the CIA. And since when do covert operatives get a desk job and walk in and out of Langley every day? Surely common sense should win out here. While she was covert at one time, she was not at the time of the incident.
There is much more common sense evidence on the side of that than on the side that she was still covert.
What about Richard Armitage? Is he a liar too?
I think his dad died of a heart attack at 70? nm
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Well, duh. But she's only a heart attack or a stroke
Bless your heart.....I know you're trying
he said NONE of that stuff about any of his other opponents ability. 'nuf said.
You talk about not for the faint-at-heart,
www.100abortionpictures.com/Aborted_Baby_Pictures_Abortion_Photos/
And you are worried about legal wild game?
Oh, no...... those bleeding heart liberals
than we all sit around a campfire with them holding hands and singing Kum Ba Ya, all the while their plotting to slit your throat. No doubt there may be a few innocents in the bunch, but even then, one cannot be too careful. Even the innocents are being used by the terrorists to do their ugly deeds and they will do them just to keep their families safe or they use the mentally retarded to do their sick deeds!
Well, guess he has had a change of heart because
was not talking about last week, I was talking about seeing him yesterday and it is surprising how Obama is bringing everyone together!
O.k..Cyndiee, 'grow a heart', will you?..sm
I am an Obama fan.
I'd like to see some of the bleeding heart Bush haters sm
stick flowers in the Islamic terrorist's guns. They would certainly get a chance. They will kill them first.
Let's not. Divert, bas, name-call to ur heart's content.
Seems like you are the only one who is allowed to dominate this board. This is what democracy looks like. Deal.
If it is moving and a heart is beating its alive.
Your denial does not change that.
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