Ignorance abounds

• What an egotistical person....... - sm
  • Yep, our founding fathers did lay the foundation...(sm) - Just the big bad
    • No, the Republicans, for the most part, are trying to - save and respect the Constitution, unlike O.nm
      • That's not what Bush said...(sm) - Just the big bad
        • Bush is not really a republican - he's in his own circle - I just gotta be me
    • Why is it our country's responsibility to evolve with - the world? you seem to miss the point
      • Oh boy....(sm) - Just the big bad
        • So you believe we need separate parties to - run our country instead of common sense? How sad!
          • Nope....that's not what I said...(sm) - Just the big bad
          • Common sense does not exist with the dems - Easy to see that.....and really scary.nm
          • We had a dictator with the last administration......nm - sm
            • And making BIGGER government isn't a dictator? - we definitely have that now! NM
          • trash or treasure? gotta have checks and balances...... - sm
            • More lambs to the slaughter.....oh lordy, gotta have - those parties...what would we do!!!!!
            • You don't need parties for checks and balances - nm
      • Yeah......who needs laws? - sm
        • Ignorance abounds on this board........ - sm
          • Ignorance abounds - Tli

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In my town a lady has been arrested for trying to abort her unborn child by ingesting an assortment of dangerous substances, normal household cleaning agents and other substances found in every home.  Okay, I an definitely against abortion BUT if it's no big deal for those who choose abortion to go out and purposefully abort their child and this lady is trying to do the same thing only differently, what's the difference?   If she can be arrested, then shouldn't ALL mothers attempting abortion be arrested? 

This is as asinine as saying abortion is okay because the fetus isn't REALLY a child but on the other hand after the Laci Peterson murder in which she was carrying a child, a law was then passed that if a woman was killed while carrying a child, that person would be charged for 2 murders, not one, because the fetus IS a child!!!

Of course, there is really no way around trying to excuse it.  If the fetus is a living thing if the mother is killed while pregnant, then isn't the fetus a living thing that deserves life, thereby abortion being murder?  So absolutely asinine the laws we pass that just contradict one another!  

by Gretyl Macalaster

PORTSMOUTH - The evidence for impeachment of the president and vice president is overwhelming, former CIA analyst and daily presidential briefer Ray McGovern told a room full of people at the Portsmouth Public Library Monday night.

McGovern, who provided daily briefings for former presidents Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush as well as other high ranking officials during his 27 year CIA career, said he has witnessed a "prostitution of his profession" as the Bush administration lied to the American people about the evidence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

"Don’t let anyone tell you the President was deceived by false intelligence … they knew," McGovern said.

For the next 40 minutes, he relayed a series of events leading up to 9/11 which illustrate the President’s desire to go to war with Iraq well before 9-11, that reliable CIA evidence showed that Iraq did not have weapons of mass destruction and was presented to the administration and the "facts were fixed" in order to legitimize the invasion.

"The estimate which said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction was prepared to the terms of reference laid down by Cheney in a speech on Aug. 26, 2002. It was the worst estimate of intelligence and came to the wrong conclusions, but it was designed to do that," McGovern said.

McGovern has been an outspoken commentator on intelligence-related issues since the late 1990s and since 2002 has been publicly critical of Bush’s use of government intelligence in the lead-up to the war.

The recent report detailing Iran’s stopping its nuclear weapons program four years ago, is an example of how the administration knows it can no longer hide such "incontrovertible evidence" from the American people in the fallout from the misinformation they received on the Iraq War, McGovern said. He added that he had almost given up on believing their were people still working at the top with a conscious and enough people at the top willing to let analysts do their job and accept independent analysis.

In late 2005, Congress requested an estimate on Iranian nuclear capabilities.
"My former colleagues got really good, incontrovertible evidence that the program, such as it was, has been ordered stopped since 2003. The evidence was such that not even Cheney could deny it. That’s why the report was not produced until three weeks ago," McGovern said, adding that the Bush administration has been putting "spin" on their rhetoric ever since.

McGovern also addressed the reasoning he believes is behind the threat of war with Iran. He said he believes Israel thinks they have a pledge from the White House to deal with Iran before Bush leaves office and relayed the story of the U.S.S. Liberty, which was attacked by the Israelis in 1967 and covered up by the United States. Thirty-four U.S soldiers were killed and about 170 were seriously injured.

"It seems to me, that on June, 8, 1967, Israel realized it could literally get away with murder," McGovern said.

McGovern said he also believes Congress will be of little help. Recently House Speaker Nancy Pelosi admitted to learning about torture and illegal eavesdropping in briefings, but said it was her understanding when briefed, that she will not share the information with anyone else, including other members of the House Intelligence Committee.

McGovern called Pelosi out on violating her oath to uphold the Constitution "against enemies, foreign or domestic" by allowing acts in violation of the Constitution to continue by not saying "diddly."

He added that although an impeachment bill currently in Congress is gaining more support, Democrats are shying away because of the influence of lobbies and political analysts telling them to "wait it out" until the election.

Charges in the impeachment bill sponsored by Dennis Kucinich, are very detailed and "as good as any," McGovern said, and referenced the illegal eavesdropping of American citizens. He added that the President has "admitted" to this "demonstrably impeachable offense."

"The argument for impeachment is overwhelming," Randy Kezar of Kingston said after the event. "Impeachment is constitutionally required."

McGovern’s visit was co-sponsored by NH Codepink, Seacoast Peace Response, NH Peace Action, NH American Friends Service Committee, Seacoast 9-11 Questions Group, NH Veterans for Peace and Witness for Peace-N.E.

I just love it when people try to wallow around in righteous, indignant self pity.  If you're so concerned about the plight of the Jewish people, why don't you go and help out your grandmother? 

Ask yourself this question.  Since Great Britian and the UN thought so highly of Jews as to actually declare them a separate nation, why didn't they create that nation in Europe?  My guess is that there were 2 reasons.  Number one would have to be the *not in my backyard phenomenon.*  The other was simply as a controlling interest in the region.  The reality is that Britian didn't give a rat's butt about the Jews.  They just picked the most susceptible minds (at the time) to carry out their plans.  They sold the idea of backing Isreal through religion and still do, just like the US does.  One big clue to this is exactly how much we actually back Israel.  We have brought them up to the level of nukes while they are still just fighting against homemade bombs.  We (the US) look the other way when Israel kills hundreds of Palestinians, but will run a prime time special if 2 (not 200, just 2) Israelis are killed.  Yeah, that's a fair fight.  We back other leaders in the middle east, but only to a point (Saddam for example).  Once they get to a point where they may actually become a threat to Israel (a holding interest for the west) we always manage to call them a threat for some other reason and level the playing field. 

I really wish people would look at the big picture on this one.  From a political standpoint, Israel is nothing more than a bishop in a chess game.

by ill-informed punkinheads who pretend to know something about our political situation. Just spewing the same worn out talking points that don't amount to squat.

As a Christian, I would appreciate it if people would leave this type of subject out of our children's education.  It is not unreasonable to ask since we have given up God and prayer in the schools to accommodate those who do not believe. 

There are some people who will ridicule the act as well as the person as you can clearly see when we get on the subject of homosexuality.  But you cannot group all of us into this category.  I do not agree with that lifestyle but having no reason to treat them poorly.  That is what I want to teach my children.  We may not agree but we cannot be mean to them. 

However, I cannot stand by and allow the teaching that homosexuality is okay.  It is too controversial of a topic for that to be taught in schools.....just like religion.  I can teach my children acceptance of people without teaching acceptance of a lifestyle we don't agree with and I would appreciate it if schools wouldn't undermine my authority on that subject. 

You don't see me going around forcing religion on children who I know has parents who don't believe in God and don't want their kids hearing about God.

Just take a look at this administration. 

Give up on trying to reason with this MT person.  When she still doesn't get it - even when her actual words are presented to her - this is not a normal mind. 

There was nothing ignorant in that post.  I agree with oldtimer that the hate being spewed at McCain's and Palin's rallies is scary.  And I don't like the fact that they are encouraging it.  I am afraid for Obama.  He's a good, decent, honest man and there are a lot of crazed people out there.