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Posted By: MT on 2005-07-07
In Reply to: P.S. I don't recall anyone posting a near death threat to the - President. I don't recall anything even

I was on vacation when the posts were made, but a friend of mine copied them and sent them to me.  They were no exactly death threats, but under a post wishing President Bush Happy Birthday, there were two posts saying something to the effect that they hoped Bush died and burned in hell.   Also, every single thing you accuse conservatives of in this long post, every SINGLE thing, has been committed on this board by liberals.  You might also notice that most of the conservative posters have stopped coming over here, something the liberal posters have not been able to do, as their drive-by postings still appear sporadically and predictably.  


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    Yea, you get an A for effort.......now
    poverty will go through the roof under Obama.

    Unemployment will skyrocket under Obama because there will be millons fewer jobs when he is done taxing the h@ll out of corporations and smaller businesses to the point they have to cut employees.

    Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae - well, there's enough blame on both sides to go around for that fiasco and remember you have the power to kick their sorry butts out of office.



    But he will make not effort to
    stop the continuing or our jobs being shipped to India because we are just unskilled labor workers and India is cheaper than we are. 
    Thank you for your effort, TH! You made
    a terrific try with this issue and I think you have a great idea! Don't give up, you are doing a great job discussing this.
    No effort required. Just one finger.
    (And that would be the middle one, of course.)
    At least they make an effort to be fair

    the other major media (especially MSNBC) is far to the left.  So your point IS?


    I wish Tim Russert was still here.  He was someone you could trust to be totally objective and get the answers.  RIP Tim.


     


    It does take a lot of effort and time to plan how
    xx
    Congratulations! Your nonsupport of the war effort is working! sm
    You must be so proud. What the left has realized finally come to fruition.  Why exactly do you think the Taliban and all the other islamic terrorists feel emboldened?  Got a clue? 
    What it probably is....is the ongoing effort of those who shall remain nameless...
    but have a lot to gain by Obama losing this election.
    It takes no effort at on on the part of 'cleverness'

    Wonder if Nancy Grace will make an effort to
    to bring this to light and declare how sick and cruel this was. And then question on and on and on why this would have happened. She works for CNN....doubt it.
    Next time, make the effort to remove the pictures. SM

    They don't come out.  Also, the colors obscure the names of the people who made the quotes making them worthless.  How is one to argue about who said the quote if you can't read it.  


    I think actually picking up a book might require too much effort......easier to blather......nm
    x
    You can't provide them. Just say so. lol.
    nm
    So are you saying you are not able to provide
    one single solitary link, citation or reference? I keep up with all sorts of news, though I must confess I am not a Fixed News fanatic. I am simply asking you to back up your own claim. Either you can or you can't.

    It is as American as apple pie to challenge close election results and certainly is not a phenomenon confined to the blue side of the aisle. In fact, a fixed recount was the ONLY way W was able to slither into office in 2000 (can you say hanging chads?).

    Are recounts only legitimate when they favor the GOP, as was the case of Saxby Chambliss in Georgia? Thank God we avoided one in Alaska. We could have ended up with a convicted felon being shunned in the Senate chambers and defeated GOP VP candidate/Gov Palin annointing, er I mean appointing herself as his successor. What a disaster that would have been.

    In any case, recounts have their place. It does seem that Coleman's claim to victory may have been a tad premature, even though he did arrogantly concede that Franken did have the right to "purse official review." This was mighty big of him, considering it is mandated in Minnesota when the margins are less than 1%.

    If you are defending Cornyn in his assertion that the process should "play it self out," why do you have such a problem seeing that happen in Minnesota? Could it have anything to do with the looming threat of supermajority? Suppose we just wait and see which way the ball bounces. If it doesn't happen to land in your court, better luck next time.


    but they will also provide
    energy and lessen our dependence on foreign oil.  Getting rid of our dependence on foreign oil is such a big thing.....I would think that would be top priority, but it doesn't seem to be.  I still say we look into solar, wind, biofuels, and go ahead and drill where we know we have oil.  It is just stupid of us to continue giving money to people who hate us.
    Would you please provide a link so we can see what it really says?
    //
    Can you provide support for this
    All the research I have seen says that ectopic pregnancies cannot survive, that an embryo must be in the uterus to thrive. I would love to see some support/back up of this if you have any (I am honestly curious, not trying to be difficult!)

    Thanks.
    Just WHO do you think does provide jobs?
    the middle class?
    Can you provide a link to what you are saying? Thanks. nm
    nm
    I see sam has yet to provide us with evidence

    are going to be given to people who are not paying tax.  Show me what in his plan describes a refundable (AKA non-wastable) tax credit.  So far, all I can see is that sam does not understand the basic concepts of socialism, Marxism, tax cuts and tax credits.  Tax cuts are a reduction in taxes, based on lowering a tax rate.  You cannot reduce a rate on tax in the absence of tax due.  Tax credits for the most part are paid against TAXES DUE.  The 2 exceptions in the US are the earned income tax credit and the child tax credit 


    So show me where Obama has said that his tax credit would be a refundable/non-wastable credit.  Also, naturally, I am still waiting for sam's answer to my original question on how it is that progressive tax reform is only socialist when it is Obama reform but no other president who has reformed the tax structure is a socialist?  Please answer that question and the one about the refundable tax credit.  Direct answers would be very much appreciated. 


    Please PROVIDE the examples.
    Since these examples are so plentiful, you should have no problem coming up with a few of them.

    Actually, this attempt to misdirect attention away from the REAL content of the posts, which you don't like, is what's boring. It's a trick you probably learned from Obama, who figures most people won't even notice that he's changed the conversation.

    We notice that you're changing the conversation, so you lose.
    Please PROVIDE the examples.
    Since these examples are so plentiful, you should have no problem coming up with a few of them.

    Actually, this attempt to misdirect attention away from the actual content of the posts, which you don't like, is what's painfully transparent and truly boring.

    I won't answer your absurd accusations again and return the other readers to the program previously in progress. You just carry on with yourself.
    Please provide factual evidence of this...

    ....but MUST be from a nonpartison source absolutely.  Actually I thought it was just as much the case with the Republican party, but I freely admit that I have no concrete statistics at this point to back that up. 


     


    Please provide substantiation for your claim.

    After all, you are not GW who can manipulate the truth as he pleases.  But anyway, please provide the "burn in hell for eternity" quote that seems to appear over and over.  I notice that this "quote" also changes slightly each time it is "quoted."


    I will provide an answer to your question

    I feel it is in poor taste to adopt the moniker of a liberal-leaning poster on a liberal board and then post anti-liberal messages.  This is common sense and if you have to ask why it matters...well you are probably lacking common sense, as well as basic manners.


    But thought I'd try explaining it anyway.


    Signed,


    ??  (am changing to Teddy, a less ambiguous moniker)


    Saddam Hussein would provide anyone...
    with anything if he thought it would be used to help bring down the United States and would make a "deal with the devil" (Al Qaeda) in order to attack the US, and I think anyone who thought differently would be disingenuous to say the least. Mortal enemies are often joined together by their hatred of some other entity....in this case of the United States, and Americans.

    As to the 18 generals lined up behind Obama...what about the hundreds not lined up with him?

    We will definitely disagree on this one.

    Have a good night.
    can you provide me a source so I can hear it? x
    x
    Please provide details and link regarding the...sm
    42 meth labs in Wasilla. I have not heard of this. Was it while SP was in office as mayor there, or what?

    I truly want to know....thanks.
    6 mil provide a bit more of an incentive to recant.
    su
    How did the McCain provide this info??...
    xx
    Show me where Obama has said he would provide
    did not earn income. Try to stay on task with this Sam. The associations argument is a one-way conversation headed toward a dead-end destination. Let's talk PROGRESSIVE TAX...which is the central issue here.

    SP seems to be fine with windfall profits....call them what you like, rebate of whatever, but they are still windfall profits redistributed oil company revenues to the owners of "collectively owned resources"...her words, not mine.

    Did you look at the chart? Do you have any comment on those telling historical rates? What about McCain's intent to keep the progressive tax structure as is...since it has serve our CAPITALIST economy well in the past.

    Your argument is bankrupt. No soup for you.
    Interesting that you provide a link
    directly addresses and refutes your allegations that Snopes is steeped in liberal bias.

    Quote:

    Is TruthorFiction.com a more reliable source?
    TruthorFiction.com has condemned this anonymous attack against Snopes.com and lauded the website as an "excellent" and "authoritative" resource.

    What's ironic about the claim that TruthorFiction.com is more reliable than Snopes is that when you compare the contents of the two, their findings rarely diverge in any substantive way (does that mean TruthorFiction.com is biased too?).

    Where the sites do differ is in the depth and quality of their coverage. On Snopes.com the Mikkelsons go to great lengths to address the finer details of each text. They supply critical analysis, as well as background and contextual information. They cite sources.

    Not to disparage TruthorFiction.com owner Rich Buhler -- who does maintain an up-to-date and generally trustworthy resource -- but by comparison his analyses tend to be perfunctory, and his sourcing minimal at best.

    Snopes.com boasts a 12-year record of providing accurate, dependable information and analysis, and in that time has earned the confidence of the media, government agencies, the business community, and the general public alike.
    Given all of the above, Snopes is surely the preferable resource.

    You won'the provide links because you have none, and
    FREEREPUBLIC???? Are you kidding me? They are known to be the whackiest of all the whackos. The majority of republicans even disown them, but that certainly explains a lot about your mentality.
    Well a hand up will not provide the people of New Orleans with sm
    what they need in this time of crisis.

    What are you smokin'? Do you think these people don't need emergency money now, they have lost everything.

    Good grief. There are mannnny Americans who still live paycheck to paycheck and if the little they have is wiped out, they have nowhere to go. But some people don't see it that way. I call them the I got mine generation.
    I guess Harvard fails to provide that course, eh?
    x
    Then why didnt O just provide the REAL documents
    nm
    No bridger, you don't provide the links every time. That's

    the point.


    Mrs., if there ever was anyone posturing in a contest, you would definitely be the winner. 


    I don't intend to argue with you.  I have cautioned you because you are putting this board and its owners at risk. 


    I don't click on links people provide because my
    x
    I worry every time I provide the government

    Where will this end up?  How long will it stay there?  How will it be used?  Do I trust the guy presently in office?  Congress?  Will I trust the next crop of office holders?  There is a reason why people are going *off the grid* 


     


    Please provide verifiable quotes to back up your claim.
    I am not right or left and think you are all pretty much full of it but I have to see allegations made without proof. I haven't seen the staunchest of Republicans doing anything of the sort. I really hate when people throw things out without any kind of fact behind it.
    Do not cut and paste long text...provide links!
    Sheesh!
    Please provide a reference showing that you were the first to mention Alinsky?
    As you can see by the post below, the first reference to Alinsky found on this forum was made by Jules on 09/02/2008 regarding Alinsky's son's letter to the Boston Globe. Could you please provide us with an earlier reference indicating that you were the first to have mentioned Alinksy?
    You can't provide any examples of "gross inaccuracies in the article" because there aren
    Why don't you prove me wrong?  Is it because you CAN'T?
    Provide a link to the document with that title. None of the official copies I've seen use the wor
    nm
    This will get you the information

    www.operationmilitarypride.com


     


    some information...

    I had the privilege and honor of seeing Mother Teresa some years ago in D.C. The audience was made up of a few ordinary people and mostly political and/or media types. The woman did not mince words. She did not hesitate to tell everyone in the audience how she felt that intolerance, indifference, selfishness, materialism and consumerism, the treatment of and attitudes towards the poor, the sick, the imprisoned run rampant were things that incited people to take up arms against each other, to hate one another, etc. and that Americans might want to look a good look at themselves and give some thoughtful prayer to what part they may play in the situations they so despised. Some of the people were so moved by her that they talked to her about going to India. They wanted to work in her clinics, her hospitals, on the streets. She laughed out loud and I will never forget what she said. She said, and I quote, ** You do not have to go to another country to do God's work. Take a look around you. Man's inhumanity to man is evident everywhere. Go into your own cities and find the poor, the needy, the imprisoned, the sick, the haters with hardened hearts, whatever. They will always be with us and they are everywhere. I believe sincerely that peace is God's work, perhaps in the highest form. You think we live in peace here in this country; as Mother Teresa said, look around you. The war is but 1 faction of a very very sick society, a sick world. I was born into peace and nonviolence. I have practiced it all my life. Protests are really quite a small part of my nonviolent lifestyle. There is plenty enough hatred, violence, intolerance and indifference to keep the peacekeepers busy until the end of time, right where they live, wherever that may be.  We also unfortunately have, in this country, warmongering and war profiteering and people in power who could care less about exploiting our troops and whomever they may be fighting. War is a big money maker for some folks. I do protest here but these days it is mostly letters to the editor, letters to senators, clergy, manning phones, that sort of thing. Another thing I believe is that the Creator is the changer of hearts and minds, not men, and that prayer changes things. You asked what I did besides whine on the other board, where were my legs...you asked for it, here it is.


    1. I train service dogs for the disabled. I do this for all sorts of people, some of whom happen to be veterans whose welcome home from their government is, in my opinion, nothing short of betrayal. The wonderful projects, facilities that have sprung up to help these vets are all and I mean ALL privately funded, quite a few of the dogs I train have been purchased or **sponsored** meaning covering all costs and it is quite expensive,  from the bleeding heart liberal pinko commies as you refer to us. They pay the fee, anywhere from $12,000 to $25,000 so that people who cannot afford it or whose government does not think them or their service  important enough to provide them everything they could possibly ever need can get something they desperately need. My portion of this 2-year training program is the last leg, the month where trainer, new owner and dog are put together to learn the mechanics of what they are doing together and to learn each other. At this point the dog, its care, individualized training, all vet bills have been paid for. Normally I charge for this month of training that I do one-on-one.  I have NEVER charged 1 red cent to any veteran for my services and I never will. This is one of the ways I support the troops but not the mission. You see, it can be done.


    2.  I have belonged to a prayer and meditation for peace group since I was a child. If I go somewhere where I can't find one, I start one or I hook up with the Mennonites or Friends, the original civil disobeyers. We PRAY for peace, for everyone, everywhere.


    3.  I work with St. Vincent de Paul (Catholic organization for the needy),


    4.  I do meals on wheels (substitute only now, too busy with everything else),


    5.  I go with a group of Indians to elementary schools throughout the Tampa Bay area in full regalia with drums, flutes and stories to share with them to try to give them a good honest look at indigenous people. This seems to be going over very well. We have more dates than we can actually handle. I am very proud to do this work.


    Those are my legs and I have had them for a long time.  As I recall, this is our board, the L board, so I can post whatever I like and you don't have to read my posts because you always find fault with whatever I said but I will continue to **preach to the choir** as long as I feel like it because it is the liberal board and the liberals don't mind hearing about nonviolence. As Ghandi said, an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. And, for further perusal, here's a bit of history on Ghandi.


    After one year of a none too successful law practice (in England), Gandhi decided to accept an offer from an Indian businessman in South Africa, Dada Abdulla, to join him as a legal adviser. Unbeknown to him, this was to become an exceedingly lengthy stay, and altogether Gandhi was to stay in South Africa for over twenty years. The Indians who had been living in South Africa were without political rights, and were generally known by the derogatory name of 'coolies'. Gandhi himself came to an awareness of the frightening force and fury of European racism, and how far Indians were from being considered full human beings, when he was thrown out of a first-class railway compartment car, though he held a first-class ticket, at Pietermaritzburg. From this political awakening Gandhi was to emerge as the leader of the Indian community, and it is in South Africa that he first coined the term satyagraha to signify his theory and practice of non-violent resistance. Gandhi was to describe himself preeminently as a votary or seeker of satya (truth), which could not be attained other than through ahimsa (non-violence, love) and brahmacharya (celibacy, striving towards God). Gandhi conceived of his own life as a series of experiments to forge the use of satyagraha in such a manner as to make the oppressor and the oppressed alike recognize their common bonding and humanity: as he recognized, freedom is only freedom when it is indivisible.


    Aho.


    Where did this information come from?....
    the Obama website? I am not trying to start a fight either, but what makes this information any more accurate than the other poster's? Who has independently verified any of it?

    The only one who knows how "indoctrinated" Obama is with the Muslim religion or how much he ascribes to it, supports it or it influences him, is Barack Obama. And I think anyone who thinks differently is fooling himself/herself.

    As to the United Church of Christ...it has a flagrantly racist agenda, and regardless of what he says he has to know that if he was listening to any of the sermons...Jeremiah Wright did not wake up the morning of Obama's candidacy a racist and that church did not turn racist overnight...

    Don't trust Obama. I have read up about his Chicago days and ties to Daly...the most corrupt political machine in the history of this country.

    Nope, don't trust him. Not a bit.
    Information is the key
    Ladies/gentlemen, we can go back and forth on the candidates and their character, however, as we all know candidates can and will promise anything while running for president and promises are conveniently forgotton once in office.  To find out what is in a candidate's heart, read each party's platform which is easily assessible on the internet. The platform will let you know what the candidates will be focusing on once in office. Since each candidate's economic or tax plan really cannot be tested until they are in office, look for issues that concern you morally. Regardless of which candidate wins, let's vow to be united once it is over.
    I believe you get your information
    from blogs.
    where do you get this information?
    I have not heard anything whatsoever about this - can you give me something more?
    Add the URL for this information.