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I guess Harvard fails to provide that course, eh?

Posted By: nm on 2008-09-10
In Reply to: There is also such a thing as common sense. - Obama is missing it. nm

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we care about what is in his harvard

trained mind, not what he decorates himself with.


 


They're called ''Columbia, Harvard and 'Yale.'' nm
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Why settle for a Harvard graduate who sees a vision of a kinder world.
I didn't believe him initially. I felt he had a hidden agenda, pay back time for the wrongs done to his ancestors until I saw his family photos, mom and grandpa as white as mine. This guy was raised as a white boy. And maybe that is why he expects more from the black men (raise your kids).

Give him a chance. Listen to his speeches over the years. Research him.

Though honestly, I would vote for Lou Dobbs in a New York minute.
If he fails
We will succeed. We as a country together will succeed. It means we will not be thrown into socialism. Even Vladimir Putin has been telling the leaders of our country that they know first hand about socialism and it is not a path we want to take. So if he fails it means the country will succeed. Who wouldn't want that. It's not a person thing, if there was anyone else in the country trying to drag our country down the same hole I would be against it. I was born and raised in a free America. I grew up with the beliefs instilled in me that I can do anything I set my mind on doing and the harder I work the more I will benefit. But those ideas are now eroding away and the people who are trying to be successful and get ahead are being punished. I love the country the way it was (before Bush and Clinton that is). I love our founding fathers for risking their lives to create two of the most important documents of our history - The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. I don't want to see it re-written and our laws changed. It is perfect the way it is and nobody should be trying to re-write or do away with it (or just ignore it altogether). So if failure is the option so the country will succeed then by all means. This has nothing to do with past presidents and what they did or didn't do. This has to do with everything that is going on now (present day) and what is being planned for in the future.

I want the country and all Americans to succeed, and I want a leader who will back that and not punish us by taxing us more and spending all our money (and the money of our kids and grandkids) while lining the pockets of the rich (themselves and their buddies). I have lived a life of hard work and honesty and why I'm being punished to pay for the people who have not been honest, who went out and bought a house they could not afford and knew they couldn't afford but bought it anyway. The ones who racked up their credit cards, not with necessities but with all the latest and greatest gadgets and entertainment type things, vacations they couldn't afford and shouldn't have, and now I'm going to be taxed to help bail them out when I have done without (last vacation I took was 4 years ago and that was to go back for my moms funeral - oh yeah, what a great vacation that was), I'm sorry, but too many people are being bailed out of things they should be responsible for. Too many companies are getting bailed out and not using the money for what it is. Too many projects are now added to that atrocity of a spending bill that in no way will benefit the country and people, and only ensure a re-election for the politician and where is it coming from???? My hard working tax dollars. Anytime anyone tries to get ahead they are being punished. I'm sorry but I don't want to see that succeed.

Too much is wrong in Washington and as much as he is an great and eloquent speaker his actions are louder.
When all else fails.....(sm)

I have no idea why I can't get the link to hold. So....


Google:  The Rachel Maddow Show


It will be the video entitled "The torture documents are in the mail."


Unless you see a link down here....trying again.


what it fails to take into account...
you will find this many times on this board.... that calculator does not allow for the fact the President-elect is going to allow the Bush tax cuts to expire and we will all be paying more. if you search archives you will find the link to the calculator that shows you how much more you will be paying.
Why? Because she fails to see your brilliance?
You don't need adoration from others...

Truthseeker has been around a long time on this board. We do not need your synposis of her.

Personally, I think you are full of yourself...
Fails to explain the support he is getting from
all over the Arab world...predominantly Sunni Moslems, BTW. You forgot the part about burning Bush in effigy.
When all else fails, play the race card, right?
"You have a problem with someone speaking against THIS president, cause he is black and you can't stand it!"

This is what happens when you let Janine Garafalo tell you what to think.

Puh-THETIC.
SP wardrobe fails to make silk purse from sow's ear.
How many hockey/soccer moms do you know that shop at Sak's and Neiman's?  Sour the net on Michell's makeover last summer and you will come up with some radically different rhetoric.  That $150,000 might be better sent down ticket to rescue GOP's one-woman disaster area Michelle Bachmann's tanked MN 6th district campaign against Elwyn Tinklenbeg after he raked in a cool million following her HUAC comments last Friday night.   
Yes, key word is FIGHT, you don't debate. You name call and badger, and when that fails
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When racism fails to gain political traction, switch to
We can see just how well that's working for the camp.
You can't provide them. Just say so. lol.
nm
So are you saying you are not able to provide
one single solitary link, citation or reference? I keep up with all sorts of news, though I must confess I am not a Fixed News fanatic. I am simply asking you to back up your own claim. Either you can or you can't.

It is as American as apple pie to challenge close election results and certainly is not a phenomenon confined to the blue side of the aisle. In fact, a fixed recount was the ONLY way W was able to slither into office in 2000 (can you say hanging chads?).

Are recounts only legitimate when they favor the GOP, as was the case of Saxby Chambliss in Georgia? Thank God we avoided one in Alaska. We could have ended up with a convicted felon being shunned in the Senate chambers and defeated GOP VP candidate/Gov Palin annointing, er I mean appointing herself as his successor. What a disaster that would have been.

In any case, recounts have their place. It does seem that Coleman's claim to victory may have been a tad premature, even though he did arrogantly concede that Franken did have the right to "purse official review." This was mighty big of him, considering it is mandated in Minnesota when the margins are less than 1%.

If you are defending Cornyn in his assertion that the process should "play it self out," why do you have such a problem seeing that happen in Minnesota? Could it have anything to do with the looming threat of supermajority? Suppose we just wait and see which way the ball bounces. If it doesn't happen to land in your court, better luck next time.


but they will also provide
energy and lessen our dependence on foreign oil.  Getting rid of our dependence on foreign oil is such a big thing.....I would think that would be top priority, but it doesn't seem to be.  I still say we look into solar, wind, biofuels, and go ahead and drill where we know we have oil.  It is just stupid of us to continue giving money to people who hate us.
Would you please provide a link so we can see what it really says?
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Can you provide support for this
All the research I have seen says that ectopic pregnancies cannot survive, that an embryo must be in the uterus to thrive. I would love to see some support/back up of this if you have any (I am honestly curious, not trying to be difficult!)

Thanks.
Just WHO do you think does provide jobs?
the middle class?
Can you provide a link to what you are saying? Thanks. nm
nm
I see sam has yet to provide us with evidence

are going to be given to people who are not paying tax.  Show me what in his plan describes a refundable (AKA non-wastable) tax credit.  So far, all I can see is that sam does not understand the basic concepts of socialism, Marxism, tax cuts and tax credits.  Tax cuts are a reduction in taxes, based on lowering a tax rate.  You cannot reduce a rate on tax in the absence of tax due.  Tax credits for the most part are paid against TAXES DUE.  The 2 exceptions in the US are the earned income tax credit and the child tax credit 


So show me where Obama has said that his tax credit would be a refundable/non-wastable credit.  Also, naturally, I am still waiting for sam's answer to my original question on how it is that progressive tax reform is only socialist when it is Obama reform but no other president who has reformed the tax structure is a socialist?  Please answer that question and the one about the refundable tax credit.  Direct answers would be very much appreciated. 


Please PROVIDE the examples.
Since these examples are so plentiful, you should have no problem coming up with a few of them.

Actually, this attempt to misdirect attention away from the REAL content of the posts, which you don't like, is what's boring. It's a trick you probably learned from Obama, who figures most people won't even notice that he's changed the conversation.

We notice that you're changing the conversation, so you lose.
Please PROVIDE the examples.
Since these examples are so plentiful, you should have no problem coming up with a few of them.

Actually, this attempt to misdirect attention away from the actual content of the posts, which you don't like, is what's painfully transparent and truly boring.

I won't answer your absurd accusations again and return the other readers to the program previously in progress. You just carry on with yourself.
In an effort to provide some information sm
I was on vacation when the posts were made, but a friend of mine copied them and sent them to me.  They were no exactly death threats, but under a post wishing President Bush Happy Birthday, there were two posts saying something to the effect that they hoped Bush died and burned in hell.   Also, every single thing you accuse conservatives of in this long post, every SINGLE thing, has been committed on this board by liberals.  You might also notice that most of the conservative posters have stopped coming over here, something the liberal posters have not been able to do, as their drive-by postings still appear sporadically and predictably.  
Please provide factual evidence of this...

....but MUST be from a nonpartison source absolutely.  Actually I thought it was just as much the case with the Republican party, but I freely admit that I have no concrete statistics at this point to back that up. 


 


Please provide substantiation for your claim.

After all, you are not GW who can manipulate the truth as he pleases.  But anyway, please provide the "burn in hell for eternity" quote that seems to appear over and over.  I notice that this "quote" also changes slightly each time it is "quoted."


I will provide an answer to your question

I feel it is in poor taste to adopt the moniker of a liberal-leaning poster on a liberal board and then post anti-liberal messages.  This is common sense and if you have to ask why it matters...well you are probably lacking common sense, as well as basic manners.


But thought I'd try explaining it anyway.


Signed,


??  (am changing to Teddy, a less ambiguous moniker)


Saddam Hussein would provide anyone...
with anything if he thought it would be used to help bring down the United States and would make a "deal with the devil" (Al Qaeda) in order to attack the US, and I think anyone who thought differently would be disingenuous to say the least. Mortal enemies are often joined together by their hatred of some other entity....in this case of the United States, and Americans.

As to the 18 generals lined up behind Obama...what about the hundreds not lined up with him?

We will definitely disagree on this one.

Have a good night.
can you provide me a source so I can hear it? x
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Please provide details and link regarding the...sm
42 meth labs in Wasilla. I have not heard of this. Was it while SP was in office as mayor there, or what?

I truly want to know....thanks.
6 mil provide a bit more of an incentive to recant.
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How did the McCain provide this info??...
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Show me where Obama has said he would provide
did not earn income. Try to stay on task with this Sam. The associations argument is a one-way conversation headed toward a dead-end destination. Let's talk PROGRESSIVE TAX...which is the central issue here.

SP seems to be fine with windfall profits....call them what you like, rebate of whatever, but they are still windfall profits redistributed oil company revenues to the owners of "collectively owned resources"...her words, not mine.

Did you look at the chart? Do you have any comment on those telling historical rates? What about McCain's intent to keep the progressive tax structure as is...since it has serve our CAPITALIST economy well in the past.

Your argument is bankrupt. No soup for you.
Interesting that you provide a link
directly addresses and refutes your allegations that Snopes is steeped in liberal bias.

Quote:

Is TruthorFiction.com a more reliable source?
TruthorFiction.com has condemned this anonymous attack against Snopes.com and lauded the website as an "excellent" and "authoritative" resource.

What's ironic about the claim that TruthorFiction.com is more reliable than Snopes is that when you compare the contents of the two, their findings rarely diverge in any substantive way (does that mean TruthorFiction.com is biased too?).

Where the sites do differ is in the depth and quality of their coverage. On Snopes.com the Mikkelsons go to great lengths to address the finer details of each text. They supply critical analysis, as well as background and contextual information. They cite sources.

Not to disparage TruthorFiction.com owner Rich Buhler -- who does maintain an up-to-date and generally trustworthy resource -- but by comparison his analyses tend to be perfunctory, and his sourcing minimal at best.

Snopes.com boasts a 12-year record of providing accurate, dependable information and analysis, and in that time has earned the confidence of the media, government agencies, the business community, and the general public alike.
Given all of the above, Snopes is surely the preferable resource.

You won'the provide links because you have none, and
FREEREPUBLIC???? Are you kidding me? They are known to be the whackiest of all the whackos. The majority of republicans even disown them, but that certainly explains a lot about your mentality.
Well a hand up will not provide the people of New Orleans with sm
what they need in this time of crisis.

What are you smokin'? Do you think these people don't need emergency money now, they have lost everything.

Good grief. There are mannnny Americans who still live paycheck to paycheck and if the little they have is wiped out, they have nowhere to go. But some people don't see it that way. I call them the I got mine generation.
Then why didnt O just provide the REAL documents
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No bridger, you don't provide the links every time. That's

the point.


Mrs., if there ever was anyone posturing in a contest, you would definitely be the winner. 


I don't intend to argue with you.  I have cautioned you because you are putting this board and its owners at risk. 


I don't click on links people provide because my
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I worry every time I provide the government

Where will this end up?  How long will it stay there?  How will it be used?  Do I trust the guy presently in office?  Congress?  Will I trust the next crop of office holders?  There is a reason why people are going *off the grid* 


 


Please provide verifiable quotes to back up your claim.
I am not right or left and think you are all pretty much full of it but I have to see allegations made without proof. I haven't seen the staunchest of Republicans doing anything of the sort. I really hate when people throw things out without any kind of fact behind it.
Do not cut and paste long text...provide links!
Sheesh!
Please provide a reference showing that you were the first to mention Alinsky?
As you can see by the post below, the first reference to Alinsky found on this forum was made by Jules on 09/02/2008 regarding Alinsky's son's letter to the Boston Globe. Could you please provide us with an earlier reference indicating that you were the first to have mentioned Alinksy?
You can't provide any examples of "gross inaccuracies in the article" because there aren
Why don't you prove me wrong?  Is it because you CAN'T?
Provide a link to the document with that title. None of the official copies I've seen use the wor
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Good don't guess. It's my guess though.nm
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You cannot type it word for word, just provide a link.
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My guess would be

THREE!



guess what
Now you know how it feels, don't you?
That's anybody's guess. sm
But I think it is an educated guess to think most democratic voters in this election were against the war and most republican voters were for the war. Just my guess.
I guess your'e in the 39%
Bush approval rating dips to 39 percent - poll

Wed Oct 12, 9:47 PM ET

President George W. Bush's job approval rating has fallen to a new low of 39 percent in an NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll released on Wednesday.

Bush's approval rating dipped in the poll below a mid-September ranking of 40 percent. The survey also found only 28 percent of respondents believed the country was headed in the right direction, NBC reported.

Bush's political challenges have been piling up in recent weeks, from criticism over his handling of Hurricane Katrina, to growing unease over rising gas prices to conservative discord over the nomination of Harriet Miers to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Many conservatives are outraged that Bush picked the White House insider with no judicial experience instead of a judge with clear-cut conservative credentials who could be counted on to move the high court firmly to the right.

Twenty-nine percent of people surveyed said Miers was qualified to serve on the highest court in the United States, while 24 percent thought she was not qualified and 46 percent said they did not know enough about her, NBC said.

The poll also found that strong majorities did not believe that recent charges against former House Republican leader Tom DeLay of Texas or a federal investigation of Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, a Tennessee Republican, were politically motivated, NBC said.

DeLay has been indicted in Texas on money-laundering and conspiracy charges linked to campaign financing. Frist is being investigated over a stock sale.

With the 2006 congressional elections a year away, 48 percent of respondents said they preferred a Democratic-controlled Congress, compared with 39 percent who said they preferred Republican leadership, NBC said.

The 9-point difference was the largest margin between the parties in the 11 years the NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll had been tracking the question, NBC said.

The poll of 807 adults was conducted from Saturday to Monday and had a margin of error of plus or minus 3.4 percentage points
where are you? I guess some way
from Houston, too close to it myself! you are right about the crime wave, up just about everywhere. have your kids told you what Sugarland and Ft. Bend County are like now?

Anyway, nobody is going to hire a medical Transcriptionist with 143 days experience on her resume and I don't feel inclined to hire a president with that, either.

Immigration is not the problem; invasion is, lawbreakers are a problem. We just had a pastor on TV in Houston who has had 5 wrecks, all caused by uninsured motorists and that is the least of it. I personally have seen what is happening to our ER's, unfortunately, the media says little about it. I understand 87 hospitals in southern California have folded. No private hospital can withstand the onslaught of all this clinic business. But, of course, the actual clinics designed for this are only open during regular business hours. Well, just a few thoughts of mine.