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Just stop the conspiracy by showing your BC, why hire three law firms...HMMM

Posted By: sm on 2008-12-05
In Reply to: Conspiracy Nuts - 2crazy




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Just stop the conspiracy by showing your long form BC, why hire three law firms...HMMM


Just stop the conspiracy by showing your long form BC...HMMM


And no matter how many there are Obama will keep his law firms busy blocking them...
and spending, spending, spending.
I support the plan to LOAN the money to the mortage firms in crisis.
At 2% interest.

Why should they be GIVEN a huge wad of cash to bail them out. If you or I were in desperate straits, our only option would be a loan, not a gimmee. Either way, Congress is going to have to give them the money. But I think we should expect a pay-back plan to be set forth BEFORE they get the dough, and not just give them a blank check for 700 billion.
and who will you hire?
Me - MT with 30 years of experience in the field of MT or

person X - just graduated from an MT program.

Sorry - education is not all there is to it. Much to be said for experience. Obama does not have it. McCain does.
when you hire lobbyists

to go to Washington to get FEDERAL (i.e. yours and mine) pork barrel money for a state and then give the residents a "rebate" you tend to be liked by voters.  Many interviewed were unaware of the trooper scandal, the per diem charges for staying in her own home, etc. Majority of people do not pay attention to governmental affairs -- too busy chasing wolves and chopping their forefeet off.


 


Maybe the Dems will hire another
of thosed neat speed readers.  Talk about absolute arrogance and disrespect.  Gosh that was fun! 
Would you hire somebody who on 3 separate occasions
description?
Would you hire someone who can't can't to four? Thinks J-O-B-S has three letters
And his list goes on and on ad nauseum.


He's the real joke in the #2 slot this year, on the dem. side
Yes, many of them hire good-looking women
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What is so interesting that Joe the Plumber has to hire a publicist team? nm
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New Bush rule makes it easier to hire foreign workers

Dec 10, 8:43 PM EST


Administration changes to farm worker hiring afoot


By SUZANNE GAMBOA
Associated Press Writer


WASHINGTON (AP) -- As it prepares to leave office, the Bush administration is moving to make it easier for U.S. farming companies to hire foreign field workers, which farmworker groups say will worsen wages and working conditions.


Farm groups said that changes to the H2A visa program, used by the agriculture industry to hire temporary farm workers, were posted on the Labor Department's Web site at midnight Tuesday but have since been taken down.


Labor Department spokesman Terry Shawn said whatever was posted wasn't the final version of the new rule, which Shawn said would be released Thursday and published in the Federal Register on Dec. 18.


The Bush administration published a proposed version of the new rule last Feb. 13 and received nearly 12,000 public comments, Shawn added. The next version will be a final rule and can take effect 30 days after publication. Some of its provisions would take effect in mid-January and others later in the year, the farmworker groups said.


Farm worker advocates and the United Farm Workers union said the version that appeared on the Web site would lead to a flood of cheaper workers.


"The government has decided to offer agriculture employers really low wages, low benefits, no government oversight to bring in foreign workers on restricted visas and thereby convince them they should do this instead of hiring undocumented workers," said Bruce Goldstein, executive director of Farmworker Justice, a group that advocates for farmworkers.


The changes in the posted version would drop a requirement that an employer get the Labor Department to certify it faces a worker shortage before it can get visas for foreign workers; instead, employers would be allowed to simply attest in writing to a shortage. That version of the new rule also would change the method for calculating wage minimums for workers and relieve employers of a requirement to recruit in states or communities where other employers already are hiring farm workers, Goldstein said.


But Assistant Labor Secretary Leon Sequeira said Wednesday evening the agency is not dropping the obligation to obtain certification, which is required by law.


Paul Schlegel, American Farm Bureau public policy director, said many of the changes will make the program a little less burdensome for employers. He said existing laws prevent employers from hiring foreign workers if the jobs can be filled by U.S. workers.


"My members want to make sure they have a legal supply of labor," said Schlegel, who added that he had not reviewed all the proposed changes.


The rule changes are a part of a pattern of last-minute regulatory changes being rushed into effect by the Bush administration before President-elect Barack Obama's Jan. 20 inauguration.


The effect is to make it harder for Obama to change course on some policies favored by Republicans and the business community.


"We are hopeful that the Obama administration would recognize the utter mistake and unfairness of this proposal," Goldstein said. Congress has a procedure for reversing the rules, he said.


Many of the last-minute changes by the Bush administration have come in the area of public lands and the environment, including easing regulations on mining waste and allowing handguns in national parks. Another pending rule would grant greater leeway to railroads to transport hazardous materials through densely populated areas.


I will not stop trying to stop the slaughter of the unborn in this country...
I never said you were a stupid wretch. What I said was, if you can watch that video below and not feel something, your heart must be seared over. If you can watch that video and advocate what you advocate, yes, I'm sorry, I find that cold. I am entitled to my opinion and all your ranting and name calling and belitting is not going to change that. Someone needs to speak for the child. You certainly aren't allowing it any rights, including the right to live. You are okay with that, I'm not.
I don't think it's a conspiracy ....
but the gist, that the FDA did approve it, is true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verichip

There are already things a bit like this now... with implants people get being tagged for identification. (Say your body is burned in a fire. You may be traced with your fake knee.)

But I could see the government coming up with this a a tracking device for say, child molesters. I bet a lot of people would LIKE that.
Not into conspiracy theories....
You hare serious anger issues.  And other issues as well.
9/11 and conspiracy theories

For a very long time, there have been people who claimed that 9/11 didn't happen as reported.  It's been claimed the black boxes were found by NYC firefighters, yet this was denied by the FBI.  It was claimed that the remnants of a plant were never found at the Pentagon.  There have been even more *theories* than this.


Up until recently, my common sense told me these *theories* were just ridiculous, and I never EVER gave them a second thought.


Now that I realize that every single thing this president has done has been dishonest, I'm not so sure about 9/11 any longer because I don't think there is anything this man WOULDN'T do, regardless of how heinous, to force Americans to *agree* with his policies by using fear, coercion and intimidation.  Most things I used to consider to be simply *unthinkable* are quickly becoming not only thinkable but possible and maybe even likely under Bush.


Lately, when I wake up every morning, I hope I will find that the last 5 years have just been a horrifically bad dream, just like that other famous Texan:  Bobby Ewing.


Oh, do I smell conspiracy?
The plot thickens!
No, not a conspiracy....it is a game that...
the poster enjoys...though one of the standard lines is "I won't play your game" and then does exactly that. Frankly, I could not care less. The posts all say the same thing, in the flowery elitist condescending language...should be patently obvious to anyone who would like to go into the archives. But it does not really matter...the poster has made it personal, and the posts are in direct opposition to everything the posterior states are liberal qualities.

I came on this board a few weeks ago and just asked posters to define what they viewed as a "liberal." I got varying descriptions...and then I got a couple of posters who said there were no true liberals in the Democratic party. And based on the description of liberal ideals of other posters, and applying that to how those same posters post...I am left with the idea that that person...the one who said there were no true liberals in the Democratic party...is probably the closest to the truth. LINOs I guess. Liberals in name only.

Have a good day.
I am not a conspiracy theorist, but it is odd
that this was posted the same day that one of Dennis Kucinich's brothers was found dead.
Conspiracy Theory..........

Author:  Taylor Caldwell


In The Captains and the Kings (1976) Caldwell takes on the global power brokers. In this book we find, running through the story line, a description of the way the international financiers and industrialists (all private consortiums owned by an elite of the world's richest families and persons) hijack governments around the globe; instigating wars and gaining control over the warring countries through manipulation of the enormous debts incurred during a war. Mentioned too is the Council on Foreign Relations; and while a disclaimer states that all persons portrayed in the book are fictional, it is clear that the Council on Foreign Relations, as well as another major organization of the globalists are both very real organizations. Also described is the idea that political systems everywhere, and certainly in the US, are almost totally dominated by the ruling elite; and that no one even gets into the running for a major political office unless the elite believes the person is under their control. It is explained that this can be direct control; e.g., the candidate takes a solemn oath to be true to that organization above all others; or indirect control: the candidate is known to have done something illegal or scandalous. The threat of public exposure can then be used to bend the person to the will of the elite. Politicians can also be compromised through a "set-up". When necessary the elite will play that hand (conform or be ruined by the controlled media). It is further explained that there have been a few who were not under the control of the elite (back in the 40s and 50s) and who had some success on their own. These individuals were not corruptible and in such cases very dirty tricks were employed against them. There is a figure in the book obviously symbolising JFK, who went along with the elitists (his father's cronies), but who once in power went his own way - resulting in his assassination.


Conspiracy theorists will never allow themselves
They are too busy spinning and doubting to embody that concept.
Conspiracy Nuts
Wow, now I know how crazy we must have looked supporting Gore in the recount and steadfastly hanging on to hope since he had won more of the popular vote. It's time to let it go and move on. Obama is the president-elect. Deal with it and focus your energy where it can be beneficial to someone. Yikes, get over it you sound like nut jobs.
conspiracy theory

Economic crisis well controlled so far, maybe to give the republicans a chance at winning and to keep Bush from being blamed.  Will they let the flood gates loose in January?  Let us go into full blown economic depression?  So far, they have only rescued themselves, not ordinary people.  Maybe there won't be anything left to help ordinary people?


You take one conspiracy nutjob

who is obviously a disturbed man who owns guns and you blame Fox News for what he did.  Are you kidding me? 


I've said this before and I will say it again.....Fox News has the highest ratings....higher than MSNBC and CNN combined.  A lot of people are not happy with the way are country is being run and they obviously like what they hear on Fox or they wouldn't be watching it. 


Fox News is not the root of all evil.  Government corruption, however, is.  So why don't you try holding ALL politicians accountable for their actions instead of blaming Fox News and Bush for everything.


I call it a conspiracy theory because it is...
You mention scientists, demolition experts, police, eye witnesses...but someone had to be responsible for whatever you think might have happened, and therein lies the conspiracy theory. So who do the scienists, demolition experts, police, and eyewitnesses think is behind whatever they think they know or saw? And do you have any documentation for any of this? Especially since people actually SAW the planes fly into the buildings...unless you are saying the planes were flown into the buildings to cover up the "demolition" Or the "demolition" just happened to be planned at the same time the planes flew into the buildings? And if there were no planes and the eye witneses to that (including most of the world on television) were all victims of mass hallucination...what happened to the people on those non-existent planes? They never existed either?

Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me. No offense intended...just calling it like it is.
oh yes -- the vast media conspiracy

to hide the TRUTH from the American public!!!!! That's rich.  You're mask of sanity is slip-slip-slipping.  PAY NO ATTENTION to the man behind the curtain - we at Faux are the ONLY media you can trust!  Really. . . we mean it . . . we would never deceive you . . . we have Rove, Morris, Malkin, Coulter, O'Reilly, Hannity . . . a virtual treasure trove of impartial commentators.


 


Yay! Another conspiracy theory for your scrapbook.
You can fess up now. You're Michael Moore.

Right?
The left wing conspiracy...Hehe!
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Tomy DeLay just indicted for conspiracy.
It is just one scandal after another with these guys.
Looks more like fact that the machines are flawed than conspiracy..sm
And debating about whether the machines, chads, cards, etc are functioning properly would best be done BEFORE the election than afterwards. Duh!


Conspiracy theories about Vincent Foster...sm
Vincent's death will always be a mystery. I wasn't there, you weren't there, so who is to say what actually happened? Personally, I don't believe the Clintons are murderers, or at the top of some killing machine as some wing nuts suggest. That's not a small accusation, and to make the claim there should be lots of evidence to back it up.

If the Clintons were smart enough to have so many people murdered w/o a trace, then why in the world would he allow himself to be drug through the mud on a sex scandal and ML still alive to tell her story? Another mystery. And what does Vincent Foster have to do with the sex JB scandal anyway? Most of what I read is s-p-e-c-u-l-a-t-i-o-n. I had to say that slow because somebody going to miss it. Anyway, I have no doubt right wingers would give Regan, Bush Sr, and Bush Jr the benefit of the doubt with these type of accusations flying around. I've seen it done, over and over.

Check out the link below. I don't buy any of it, but it's tit for tat since right-wingers are so sure Clinton has a stack of dead bodies somewhere. The psychology of it all is that we are more likely to trust (give the benefit of the doubt or assume innocence until proven guilty) our party.

Albeit nearly 30 years after the fact, Juanita's story is the only one that makes me say *hmmmm, maybe.* I've seen her on interviews and she seemed genuinely distraught. It is unfortunate that she waited 20 years to speak out and did not press charges (that I know of). Now her story is just, well, her story.

The rest of the women, who *claimed* Clinton raped or harrassed them turned around then and took benefit from their claims in some monetarily or fame seeking fashion. Sorry if I think their stories hold little to no merit.
The pathology of the conspiracy theorist's mind
tacit dismissal. They will find flaws in this decision and hang on like mad dogs. Mark my words.
I think perhaps you are a closet republican because that is quite the conspiracy theory.
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ah...I see your post below...interresting conspiracy theory....sm
I don't agree. Bush and Cheney will be well out of it in 2009. The changes that come will be all Obamas and dem congress.

Not arguing, though... I won't waste anymore of your time.


you live in a chronic state of conspiracy theory
how sad for you
lol, not it isn't, it's trying to show conspiracy theories are silly no matter what.
party on
What facts have you researched to dismiss this as conspiracy theory?nm
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Unless it's a crazy conspiracy-theory driven right winger
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Nah, just that 'vast left-wing conspiracy' thing

lot of that going on nowadays!


The pic isn't showing up for me so I am not
sure what one you are referring to, but I have seen video and pics of him saying the allegiance with his hand over his heart. There is a big snopes.com article about the whole thing and follows in line with with Chele said.

www.snopes.com/politics/obama/anthem.asp
I think that showing them would....(sm)

definitely make it more dangerous for our troops in the middle east.  I'm not sure how the rest of the world would look at it though.  Here's the problem I see.  If the photos are very damning, then it would again bring to the forefront pressure (from the public as well as other countries) to do prosecutions.  I'm not so sure Obama wants to deal with that pressure since he hasn't been too excited about prosecutions anyway. 


I personally wish they would go ahead and get it all over with (prosecutions, that is).  If we lose a couple dems in the process, well, then so be it.  If they were in on it, then they need to go anyway.


I think that showing them would....(sm)

definitely make it more dangerous for our troops in the middle east.  I'm not sure how the rest of the world would look at it though.  Here's the problem I see.  If the photos are very damning, then it would again bring to the forefront pressure (from the public as well as other countries) to do prosecutions.  I'm not so sure Obama wants to deal with that pressure since he hasn't been too excited about prosecutions anyway. 


I personally wish they would go ahead and get it all over with (prosecutions, that is).  If we lose a couple dems in the process, well, then so be it.  If they were in on it, then they need to go anyway.


Hmmm
Is funny, doing transcription, since 1982, but in the last 15 years, feel like one of those slaves you speak about...all work, no pay...???
Hmmm. sm
Lots of creepy things went on back then.  Someone from this board e-mailed me several times threatening me.  Yes, they sure did.  What does it accomplish writing a post like this. I know the former owner. She is a good person and an honest one.  It's cowardly to write this when you know she can't respond.  It's funny, I tried to post this originally and it said I was using a word not allowed here and that word was her name.  If you want to post in a forum that is going to be this regimented, more power to you.
Hmmm.

The Democrats have suddenly developed a keen sense of morality. John Edwards has been banned from making a speech at the democratic convention for having an affair and lying about it.


In his place Bill Clinton will be speaking.


What am I missing????


Hmmm
TALENTED - -   Oh, my where this conversation has led.
hmmm
Can I get back to you on that Katie?
Hmmm...sm

And Rep. Broun really thinks congress, the senate, the supreme court and any other government branches I forgot would let this happen? People would not protest?  Does he (and you, OP) really believe America has become that weak? Never underestimate Americans, my friends.


HMMM...

GR said, "I would wager a bet that if we were back in the 50s and 60s people wouldn't be hiding behind the smoke screen of birth certificates, Ayers, abortion, gay marriage, etc."


You are right, back then they would not have elected Obama. 


Hmmm......(sm)

Team Bush plans to party on






Jan 3, 2005 | Elisabeth Bumiller of the New York Times paid a recent visit to the Washington headquarters of President Bush's inaugural committee, where 450 paid staff members have been busy planning concerts, balls and other events for the three-day swearing-in extravaganza.


The Bush camp has been taking some heat for the estimated $40 million it will raise and spend on the big party; such criticism seemed especially apt before the White House upped its initial paltry sum of $15 million for tsunami relief to $35 million, and then again later to a more worthy $350 million. (Though there are still plenty of ways to measure even the latter as modest at best.) Others had already taken note of what the $40 million could buy for some of the woefully underfunded U.S. troops in Iraq.


Nonetheless, Bush's legion of party planners were ready to defend their cause. Gordon C. James, a deputy director of inaugural events, pointed out that a presidential inaugural has never been canceled, even during world wars. He double-checked the history books to make sure: "The celebrations went on," he told Bumiller, "that's the lesson we learned."


Technically speaking, James is correct, though according to this recent AP piece, at the height of World War II in 1945, Franklin D. Roosevelt "opted for a low-key inauguration to mark the start of his fourth term, with a simple swearing-in ceremony, a brief speech from the South Portico of the White House to a small crowd and a modest luncheon."


Meanwhile, another "senior inaugural official," who according to Bumiller "asked not to be identified," called the unflattering comparisons regarding the $40 million a "political shot." The official added that "people are not going to demand the cancellation of the Rose Bowl parade or the Oscars."


http://dir.salon.com/politics/war_room/2005/01/03/party_on/index.html


Hmmm......(sm)

Clinton won't be acting on her own accord.  She'll be acting on behalf of the Obama administration.  So, while she might not like the approach Obama has, she'll just have to suck it up and go with it.  I think it would be in HER best interest to go with Obama on this one instead of going renegade, especially if she is still considering running for president in the future.  If she does go renegade, the democratic party will eat her alive, especially considering Obama's popularity, something I'm sure she's well aware of.


I personally liked the pick of Clinton for SOS.  Actually there really weren't that many differences between her and Obama on most issues.  The differences they did have were just emphasized because they were running against each other.  That's what candidates do -- point out differences between themselves and thier opponents.