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Moved hubby's 6 weeks ago. Mine only last week. (nm)

Posted By: Backwards typist on 2008-11-12
In Reply to: Thank goodness my DH and I took all of our retirement - isit2012yet




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I only lost $1000 so far-Hubby lost $2000 in a week (sm)

so, I called his financial advisor yesterday and told him to put hubby in a "safe" plan. It's now in a money market fund that is part of his IRA.


I have no choice. I have to stay where I am. I have no "safe" available. Neither of us will be able to retire on what is now in our 401Ks and you're not the only one. We couldn't buy a car with Both our 401Ks, let alone live on it.


We are late starters for retirement  not until our late 40s funds (most of our employers did not offer pensions). We are now of the first retirement tier and although we own our home outright, if we live until we are 90, there is no way we can live off retirement 401Ks or SS.


My husband's father told him back in the 50s that we would experience something like what is happening today and stated it would be worse than the ཙ crash. It is sure starting to look that way, but we will survive some way, I hope.


We need to pray for the people on SS now that cannot survive. I, for one, would love to help them, but can't help ourselves at this moment.


 


Non-stop hate rhetoric for weeks and weeks on end
Red camp has been making character the issue by their own choice. They copped out on the national crisis and decided to go with the culture war. Well, now they have it and I am sure that GP is not the only one who is feeling a bit surly at this point. What is the O camp (and I am not assuming that GP is going that way since she has not said so) supposed to do? Did you think that they would simply quietly sit back and take lash after lash after lash and wait for the tribal warriors to suddenly develop a conscience and call a cease fire?
Here's to your hubby
challenges that lay ahead in reaching our destination and restoring the greatness of our nation, block by block, brick by brick. Cannot think of a better path to take than one of "community enrichment." Good luck to him and I'll just bet he will rise to the challenge and be the one who grasps the brass ring. Please keep us posted.
hubby always had his sm
in fixed funds.  People over the years made fun of him.  Now is the one laughing.  He has more in his retirement than any of them after the crash.  Doesn't pay to make fun of others.
Hubby says (and I believe him) that

he saw this coming. That a friend of ours who hoarded his money all these years will be going to the grocery store with a wheelbarrow full of cash just to buy a loaf of bread.


He also said that his father told him back in the late 50s that there would be a depression like you never saw, bigger than ཙ and worse. I'm beginning to believe it.


I'm starting to wonder about those 2. LOL


I moved to GA from FL
4 years ago, met me a GA boy and now I'm here to stay lol. He took me out one night to a friends house where they were grilling "hamburgers" and "sausage". I had already told him before that I would never eat deer meat, and that it was gross (of course I never had tried it! I'm just picky!) Well after my second hamburger and a piece of sausage, I told his friend that it was awesome and what did he put in it? The answer?

Deer meat.

Been hooked ever since :)

It's great in chili and spaggetti too!
My hubby and I feel that
we shouldn't just be handing money out to these banks to bail them out for their misdeeds and we shouldn't be bailing out people who were financially irresponsible.  I truly don't know what the answer is here, but how is it fair to bail out crooks on wall street and/or people who have overextended themselves?  The people we should be helping are the ones who were responsible with their money and finanaces and are now suffering because of crooks and low lifes who weren't responsible.  Those are the ones who deserve help.  The other ones made their beds.  Let them lie in it.
Your hubby is one of the lucky ones
My father didn't get his and neither did I.
Hubby and I both lost $5K. Not much

if it would have been 6-digits, but it wasn't. We moved our money to the Money Market IRAs. That stopped the fall, and I've been hoping to get back into something soon, but it doesn't look like it's going to happen.


We knew we didn't have enough to retire on, but were hoping it would be higher than it is now. Mine was doing great until November. His was really a flat line and I was planning on rolling his over to the company I am with last September.


Some people are destined to make money, others are destined to work their butts off to survive.  I know friends that....everything they touch, turns into money, while we work twice as hard and everything we touch, turns to dust.  Oh, well.  That's the breaks.


If her hubby worked an outside job
or paid into the system, she could collect half of his SS.
I was actually moved to pity him

Most likely, as McCain said about Obama, he is a "good man, a family man."  I think he has run a campaign that could be described as win at any cost, no matter what lie or deceit has to be used.  The black fellow who stood up and said, "please sir, I'm begging you" right before the little old lady, is anyone so dumb that they didn't recognize that man was planted?  Many, many people can't see past the end of their nose.


I'm voting for LOU DOBBS for president.  Seems he's about the only one these days who tells it like it is and fries both candidates.


The moderators moved it here from
at the request of other posters. Perhaps you should ask them your question.
Oh pleeeease. I bet you they were moved
Why were there 200 Russians in Iraq. What where they doing and what were they there for? They left before we bombed them. Do not forget. We just did not go over to Iraq and started bombing like Obama did with Pakistan. We gave ample warning to that country; just in time for Iraq to move the weapons.
Hubby and I heard different versions (sm)

Each household should get $275,000 to pay their mortgages, save, buy what they need, pay off credit cards, save, etc., but ONLY those who are really in need.


I heard each adult would get  $297,500 and $127,000 would go straight back to the treasury (taxes), and the rest for mortgages, credit cards, cars, homes, etc., etc., etc. It would get the economy going, get everyone out of debt (maybe), get the car companies working again, the banks working again, etc. etc. The difference between this one and the above one is that a 2-person household would get $595,000.


Both the above plans would only cost between $37 million to $50 million, instead of $700 billion.


Now, I don't know about the rest of you, but I could go for that. Hubby doesn't want that much, says he doesn't need it (ha!) but we have hardly any retirement so it would really come in handy. Plus we have been living in a basement because we couldn't afford to finish building our house. I think he forgot about the house.In reality, I'd be happy with $100,000.


In reality, why hasn't anyone brought these plans up to the powers that be?????? Could it be because we're only the little guy?


 


 


Hubby's father told him we would

see a depression in our lifetime that would be 10 times worse than the great depression. This was back in the ླྀs. My husband always hung on to that statement and believes this is it. It's coming and there is nothing that will stop it. That's why we have been buying extra canned and dried goods when possible. We always made sausage and smoked a lot of pork but of course, we can't have animals here because of zoning, so we buy from a local farmer.


I know how to make bread and butter and have plenty of flour stored, but butter is going to be another issue since we don't have a cow and the last dairy farmer went out of business 10 years ago.


 


Not wearing any special, but my hubby
wants to bring a cooler with some cold ones in it in case there is a long line. LOL
That's what I said to my hubby When Bush and Cheney..
...decided that we should go to war in Iraq, even when AL Qaeda was in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Decided that there were WMDs in Iraq, despite being told by an impartial panel (United Nations) that there were no such things.

We knew right then and there that this country was in deep trouble. We had an arrogant excuse of a president, who was bound and determined to follow his own agenda (or daddy's)no matter what the American people wanted.

I know how you feel, but this problem is NOTHING compared to the mess that the last administration left us in!
in the same boat! If hubby loses sm
job we are in a world of hurt. Have no bills but house and utilities, ins etc, no car payment but he has to have his job.

I have family and friends all over the place retired from the big 3 auto companies and are all worried about their pensions. Am originally from Michigan and it has kind of turned into a ghost town up there. Very sad. Never thought I would see the day when the auto companies would be in so much trouble. The auto companies have put a lot of food on a lot of folks table!
Link please. It was moved to the top because U thought ...

it important to do so, so please move the link for this to the top too so we may see where the rebuttal '"facts" are verified.  Though, it is obvious that most of this is editorian/rhetoric/whatever you want to call it.


To that end, I am so tired of the he said this, she said that.  They ALL say one thing but mean another.  They and their teams are all spinners.  It is always a mystery because you never know what you are going to get when they get in there, especially since they are not the ones calling all the shots - there is congress too.


wow, glad I moved from Maryland
:-)
I heard they moved to Texas already. nm
dopeypeople
I am glad Beck moved to Fox.
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I just moved it up my list on NetFlix myself yesterday.
I should get it today or tomorrow so I can watch it when I hopefully have some down time over the holiday. I can't wait to see it. Love the NetFlix!
She was born in Idaho, but her family moved....
to Alaska when she was an infant. She was raised in Alaska.
wow when it's moved everything is erased!! maybe that's a good thing? Lol
but I still think this is the right place :)
More Congressional Corruption - Feinstein Funnels $$ to Hubby

Paste the link into your browser or click the link at the bottom of this post:


http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/21/senate-husbands-firm-cashes-in-on-crisis/


That's why Osamabama moved to Chicago insteady of staying in NY.
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What's Ron calling himself today? Libertarian? Republican? Or has he moved on to something else
and, puh-leeze, LewRockwell.com as a source of anything but lunatic fringe "news"? LOL
After reading Huckabee's pronouncement I was moved to religious zeal.....
I found myself saying "Good God!" and "Jesus Christ!"
Bush staff wanted bomb-detect cash moved

(Almost five years after 9/11, just how committed is Bush to keeping Americans safe?)


Bush staff wanted bomb-detect cash moved





By JOHN SOLOMON, Associated Press WriterFri Aug 11, 5:56 PM ET



While the British terror suspects were hatching their plot, the Bush administration was quietly seeking permission to divert $6 million that was supposed to be spent this year developing new homeland explosives detection technology.


Congressional leaders rejected the idea, the latest in a series of steps by the Homeland Security Department that has left lawmakers and some of the department's own experts questioning the commitment to create better anti-terror technologies.


Homeland Security's research arm, called the Sciences & Technology Directorate, is a rudderless ship without a clear way to get back on course, Republican and Democratic senators on the Appropriations Committee declared recently.


The committee is extremely disappointed with the manner in which S&T is being managed within the Department of Homeland Security, the panel wrote June 29 in a bipartisan report accompanying the agency's 2007 budget.


Rep. Martin Sabo, D-Minn., who joined Republicans to block the administration's recent diversion of explosives detection money, said research and development is crucial to thwarting future attacks and there is bipartisan agreement that Homeland Security has fallen short.


They clearly have been given lots of resources that they haven't been using, Sabo said.


Homeland Security said Friday its research arm has just gotten a new leader, former Navy research chief Rear Adm. Jay Cohen, and there is strong optimism for developing new detection technologies in the future.


I don't have any criticisms of anyone, said Kip Hawley, the assistant secretary for transportation security. I have great hope for the future. There is tremendous intensity on this issue among the senior management of this department to make this area a strength.


Lawmakers and recently retired Homeland Security officials say they are concerned the department's research and development effort is bogged down by bureaucracy, lack of strategic planning and failure to use money wisely.


The department failed to spend $200 million in research and development money from past years, forcing lawmakers to rescind the money this summer.


The administration also was slow to start testing a new liquid explosives detector that the Japanese government provided to the United States earlier this year.


The British plot to blow up as many as 10 American airlines on trans-Atlantic flights was to involve liquid explosives.


Hawley said Homeland Security now is going to test the detector in six American airports. It is very promising technology and we are extremely interested in it to help us operationally in the next several years, he said.


Japan has been using the liquid explosive detectors in its Narita International Airport in Tokyo and demonstrated the technology to U.S. officials at a conference in January, the Japanese Embassy in Washington said.


Homeland Security is spending a total of $732 million this year on various explosives deterrents and has tested several commercial liquid explosive detectors over the past few years but hasn't been satisfied enough with the results to deploy them.


Hawley said current liquid detectors that can scan only individual containers aren't suitable for wide deployment because they would bring security check lines to a crawl.


For more than four years, officials inside Homeland Security also have debated whether to deploy smaller trace explosive detectors — already in most American airports — to foreign airports to help stop any bomb chemicals or devices from making it onto U.S.-destined flights.


A 2002 Homeland report recommended immediate deployment of the trace units to key European airports, highlighting their low cost, $40,000 per unit, and their detection capabilities. The report said one such unit was able, 25 days later, to detect explosives residue inside the airplane where convicted shoe bomber Richard Reid was foiled in his attack in December 2001.

A 2005 report to Congress similarly urged that the trace detectors be used more aggressively, and strongly warned the continuing failure to distribute such detectors to foreign airports may be an invitation to terrorist to ply their trade, using techniques that they have already used on a number of occasions.

Tony Fainberg, who formerly oversaw Homeland Security's explosive and radiation detection research with the national labs, said he strongly urged deployment of the detectors overseas but was rebuffed.

It is not that expensive, said Fainberg, who retired recently. There was no resistance from any country that I was aware of, and yet we didn't deploy it.

Fainberg said research efforts were often frustrated inside Homeland Security by bureaucratic games, a lack of strategic goals and months-long delays in distributing money Congress had already approved.

There has not been a focused and coherent strategic plan for defining what we need ... and then matching the research and development plans to that overall strategy, he said.

Rep. Peter DeFazio (news, bio, voting record) of Oregon, a senior Democrat on the Homeland Security Committee, said he urged the administration three years ago to buy electron scanners, like the ones used at London's airport to detect plastics that might be hidden beneath passenger clothes.

It's been an ongoing frustration about their resistance to purchase off-the-shelf, state-of-the-art equipment that can meet these threats, he said.

The administration's most recent budget request also mystified lawmakers. It asked to take $6 million from Homeland S&T's 2006 budget that was supposed to be used to develop explosives detection technology and instead divert it to cover a budget shortfall in the Federal Protective Service, which provides security around government buildings.

Sens. Judd Gregg, R-N.H., and Robert Byrd, D-W.Va., the top two lawmakers for Senate homeland appropriations, rejected the idea shortly after it arrived late last month, Senate leadership officials said.

Their House counterparts, Reps. Hal Rogers, R-Ky., and Sabo, likewise rejected the request in recent days, Appropriations Committee spokeswoman Kirsten Brost said. Homeland said Friday it won't divert the money.

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Associated Press writer Leslie Miller contributed to this story.




I said this weeks ago........
Dan Tacredo came on TV many times letting us know that in his state alone thousands of loans have been given to illegals. In order to do this, real estate companies had to doctor documents so banks perceived these folks as legitimate borrowers. They lied about so much it is sickening. Now, he is demanding an investigation into those corrupt real estate companies who falsified the documents and the banks who gave the loans. No one forced these guys to loan to illegals. They did it out of greed and I hope to heck they pay dearly. But then, it all got real quiet about the illegals and all their garbage they're unloaded on us. You heard a little blurb about how thousands of homes have just been left/abandoned overnight by these illegals cause they "lost their jobs"....jobs I might add they should not have had in the first place, let alone an illegal mortage to boot.

Where is all the hooplah about that? And yes, you add the free medical care, free education, and even scholarships awared to illegals, taking spots from legal citizens, and all the food stamps, free housing, etc., they get and you better believe everyone who thinks it was no big deal...lets all feel sorry for the poor illegal, I hope they're happy, now that they're going to be footing the bill for their sorry butts for the rest of their lives!!!
Well, looking at what O has done in just 3 weeks....
I think maybe even YOU would have been better. LOL.
In the last couple of weeks,

I've received several envelopes in the mail that were sealed with a few inches torn open at the top of the envelope.  One of them was a check from my part-time employer, and it was easy to see through the envelope that it was a check folded in half.  (At least they didn't remove the contents like they did with you.)


I've never experienced anything like this in my life, and I wonder if this has been happening to any other liberals out there. 


He said that he would veto it weeks ago.
It was a waste of time. Congress should have done better at being creative in making some changes. He told them he wouldn't pass it. Little putz. Anyhow, I am not crazy about the increased cigarette tax. Not that I smoke, just don't agree with the method. I think Congress better figure out pretty quick that they need to reduce spending or trim the fat off somewhere else before they will get funds for SCHIP. They are just being stubborn (that's ALL of them).
You know, they should have told us this two weeks ago....sm
but I suppose it took that long for it to make sense to Bush (yes, and I did vote for him, bash away).

But someone, anyone....should have explained this before.

And I agree. They need to give us the entire details once they know them, so we know what's really going on, not just innuendo and fear tactics....from both sides, really.

They are going to need to explain more about the return on investment part of it in another article I read here the other day. If they play it right, there should be no raised taxes, and this will help the economy tremendously.
Two weeks of unemployment once.

That's it.


The rest of my life as a single mom was spent working two (sometimes three) jobs at a time in order to support us.


Now, it's getting really difficult for me because I couldn't afford my health insurance any more, my car was repossessed, and even my phone was turned off because I can't work like I used to since becoming ill almost three years ago with pancreatitis (which was finally found to be caused by cystic fibrosis).  So my pancreas is a wreck, and my lung function is getting progressively worse.  I've filed a claim for Social Security disability, but I very well may have passed on by the time I receive a hearing date, since I'm getting sicker, and my disease is incurable.


Only 2 weeks in office and already
By what criteria? What he may or may not do? The stimulus package is only in the debate stage at this point, so no one can say what it will end up looking like. Before passing judgement and handing out indictments, suppose you at least wait until the verbs move from the subjunctive into the indicative moods and while you are at it, don't forget to factor in by way of comparison 8 years of lies, corruption, enrichment of corporate America and the wealthy on the backs of the middle class, scorched earth foreign policy, circumvention of the Constitution at every turn and that teeny-tiny thing we call torture
Well, I did quit for a whole 3 weeks
one time. After that, I went downhill the next couple times I tried.Made it a whole 5 hours.
I posted a few weeks ago about
an article I read at this link: http://www.opednews.com/articles/The-Real-Bailout-Needed-is-by-Steven-Leser-081227-715.html

and there is a follow-up where some of the responses to the first article are addressed by the author at this link: http://www.opednews.com/articles/The-Real-Bailout-Needed-is-by-Steven-Leser-090104-322.html


Personally, I am not for giving anyone a free ride, but least of all the lenders that are largely responsible for the housing/financial crisis we are all faced with. I pay my mortgage and other bills on time, but with the economy the way it is, I fear that I may not be able to continue doing this (my husband is one of the many whose companies are now requesting employees take one day off per week without pay, and I have been less than fully employed for too long now, mainly due to some family issues that arose a while back, but now with the job market not so hot). Anyway, with the idea proposed in the above linked articles, it would help many, many Americans who are having a hard time, as well as those who made s t u p i d/greedy mistakes, etc., and at the same time the banks/creditors would be getting their money in the form of consumers paying their debts with bailout money (opt in or out), but paying it back, at least partially. IMO, it is a much better plan than what is currently being debated, but with the prospect of much of the money being paid back (by the taxpayers who accept bailout money as well as taxes paid by banks/creditors on the money they receive), allowing for many of the things that the government is proposing to still be done.
Where have you been the last 2-3 weeks, out of town??? sm
Janet Naplitano and the FBI and another alphabet soup group sent out a document to the president on what groups they considered "domestic terrorists." The list included returning war vets, people who oppose abortion, people who oppose gay or other similar ideas, etc. Basically it was anyone who did not agree with what the "Anointed One" and his party line. She also included the TEA party people.

Google DHS Domestic Terrorism memo.
I think I said that a few weeks ago about the Repub board.
Deja vu.
Hey Kaydie...12 days is less than 2 to 3 weeks!
A mind is a terrible thing to waste!

They are not neck and neck, McCain is not catching up, and the election is in 12 days!
This statement was put out 2 weeks before Obama
was put in as president. I have read down through this article and this is so slanted against Obama just makes you wonder why anyone would read much less believe things like this. I saw the interview with Donna Brazile. She was excited about the blanket that everyone got on the stage where Obama swore in- he left the blanket and she said she reached over and got it. It looked to be made out of fleece, not a big blanket and so what is the big deal? She was excited and maybe she used the wrong words but, so ?? I thought Joe Lowery's words were not offensive, he included all colors- did you read the entire statement? I know this Reich person was in the Clinton administration but have no idea if in Obama's.
It's gong to take more than a few weeks to undo
I am fully expecting the economy to tank in the meantime. I'm so thankful that during Clinton years I was able to buy my humble little condo with cash ($26,000) and only have to comeup with $144 each month to keep my roof. Otherwise, I'd be up the creek without a paddle now that my job bit the dust and am on that hostile market like so many others. Still trying to figure out how I can find one if we lose our electricity and can't pay the cable bill for the high-sped internet now that my husband's work just COMPLETELY DRIED UP a couple of weeks ago. He runs his own small auto transport business moving totalled cars for insurance companies. He was doing really well until the auto industry went into suspended animation last December. It just seems that all of a sudden people are not even driving anymore, not even having accidents....no claims being processed, no cars being moved around. It's getting pretty scary, so now I am coming off my high horse and after 30 years of transcribing medical reports, I have decided to bust mysef back to IC status, cave in on my benefits "demand" (even though I am 60 years old and need the coverage badly), accept a 20% cut in line rate since 6 years ago and take the first thing I can get my hands on. Hope at least I can find a company that doesn't try to make me wait a month or 2 for my first paycheck that has been shaved by 15% or 20% of the reported line count for the pay period.
Can we give him more than 4 weeks to do all that? (And your points are well-taken :0)......nm
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Doubt it; I've seen that for a few weeks now....
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Didn't take him BUT a few weeks to put this country
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I heard that a couple weeks ago, but don't know where and

another thing, which I find absolutely ridiculous - they are blaming the the pubs for all these investigations even though there were 250 nonprofit organizations unearthed that listed ACORN's New Orleans address.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/05/28/lawmaker-pushes-investigation-acorn-finances/


I didn't even know he existed 'til a few weeks ago,
mentioned him. Still know little to nothing about him, and wouldn't recognize him if he were standing 3 feet away from me. Not that that's a bad thing, or anything, but I would take that to mean that his message isn't being heard, and as a result, it would seem rather fruitless to waste a vote on him. The other 2 candidates are going to be running full-tilt, right down to the wire, and EACH of them is going to need every vote they can get in order to win without another Florida-esque hanging-chad fiasco like before.
Really? My Canadian friends have to wait 6 weeks for a CT.
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As far as a I know she should have registered 3 weeks ago. online or by mail...nm
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