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What's Ron calling himself today? Libertarian? Republican? Or has he moved on to something else

Posted By: oh, puhleeze on 2009-03-13
In Reply to: Ron Paul on EARMARKS.....please don't miss his point - it's called wasteful spending!.....MsMT

and, puh-leeze, LewRockwell.com as a source of anything but lunatic fringe "news"? LOL


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I mean Dean is a real republican, not like the ones today.


btw i am a libertarian
and did not vote dem or rep because they are pretty much the same party except for the image...
I am more libertarian/conservative.sm
The conservatives in office now are too extreme for me in many areas.
While I agree with some Libertarian

principles, they just get too weird on others.  You really can't bring all the troops home from everywhere, all at once.  Much as you'd like to, you really can't shut down the IRS on Monday, the FBI on Tuesday, the CIA on Wednesday, etc.  What has taken a century to evolve cannot just be abolished with the stroke of a pen.  And phasing-out does not seem to be in the Libertarian lexicon.  (cool alliteration??)


Having said that, I will add that I like the concept of everyone taking responsibility for themselves.  I like the idea of government doing only what government constitutionally must do and leaving us the H alone otherwise. 


We really have such a strange  way of going about things.  You may not shoot up drugs;  here's a nice free clean needle.  Marijuana is a gateway drug; pass the bourbon.  You may not learn about abstinence in school.  Instead, we will teach contraception (yeah, that's working out great)  here's a free condom, or an abortion, or we'll pay for you to raise your kids - forever.  Firearms should be banned; think the criminals will obey?  Does the government REALLY want everyone to stop smoking, considering all the taxes it reaps on cigarettes?


Am I the only one that thinks government sticks its nose way too far into our personal business?   And that with all these mixed messages it is creating really schizzy generations who have no clue what is expected of them?


Name calling? Point out 1 instance of "nasty name calling" in response to your posts
Your childlike accusations are patently false - but you are indeed welcome to your own opinion. I just don't have to agree.
The myth of the Clinton surplus...I'm a libertarian but I am sick of hearing this..SM
http://www.letxa.com/articles/16
I moved to GA from FL
4 years ago, met me a GA boy and now I'm here to stay lol. He took me out one night to a friends house where they were grilling "hamburgers" and "sausage". I had already told him before that I would never eat deer meat, and that it was gross (of course I never had tried it! I'm just picky!) Well after my second hamburger and a piece of sausage, I told his friend that it was awesome and what did he put in it? The answer?

Deer meat.

Been hooked ever since :)

It's great in chili and spaggetti too!
I was actually moved to pity him

Most likely, as McCain said about Obama, he is a "good man, a family man."  I think he has run a campaign that could be described as win at any cost, no matter what lie or deceit has to be used.  The black fellow who stood up and said, "please sir, I'm begging you" right before the little old lady, is anyone so dumb that they didn't recognize that man was planted?  Many, many people can't see past the end of their nose.


I'm voting for LOU DOBBS for president.  Seems he's about the only one these days who tells it like it is and fries both candidates.


The moderators moved it here from
at the request of other posters. Perhaps you should ask them your question.
Oh pleeeease. I bet you they were moved
Why were there 200 Russians in Iraq. What where they doing and what were they there for? They left before we bombed them. Do not forget. We just did not go over to Iraq and started bombing like Obama did with Pakistan. We gave ample warning to that country; just in time for Iraq to move the weapons.
Link please. It was moved to the top because U thought ...

it important to do so, so please move the link for this to the top too so we may see where the rebuttal '"facts" are verified.  Though, it is obvious that most of this is editorian/rhetoric/whatever you want to call it.


To that end, I am so tired of the he said this, she said that.  They ALL say one thing but mean another.  They and their teams are all spinners.  It is always a mystery because you never know what you are going to get when they get in there, especially since they are not the ones calling all the shots - there is congress too.


wow, glad I moved from Maryland
:-)
I heard they moved to Texas already. nm
dopeypeople
I am glad Beck moved to Fox.
nm
I just moved it up my list on NetFlix myself yesterday.
I should get it today or tomorrow so I can watch it when I hopefully have some down time over the holiday. I can't wait to see it. Love the NetFlix!
She was born in Idaho, but her family moved....
to Alaska when she was an infant. She was raised in Alaska.
wow when it's moved everything is erased!! maybe that's a good thing? Lol
but I still think this is the right place :)
The Anti-Republican Republican Who is Really a Republican
The whole anti-Republican Republican ruse might have succeeded, were it not for the fact that McCain's rhetoric was at odds not merely with his own voting record - 90 percent with Bush - and his own Bush-on-steroids agenda.

    Even as he was pledging to "change the way government does almost everything," the senator from Arizona announced his commitment to much, much more of the same.


    He pledged to maintain endless occupations of distant lands that empty the U.S. Treasury of precious resources that might pay for infrastructue renewal, housing and job creations initiatives for hurting Americans.


    He outlined trade and tax policies that would extend, rather than alter a failed economic status quo.


    He reintroduced flawed proposals for health care, education and entitlement reforms that Americans have wisely rejected.


    And he threatened to achieve "energy independence" by declaring:


    "We will drill..."


    "We'll drill..."


    "More drilling..."


    McCain's rhetoric was that of a liberated man declaring his independence from his party's failed president and corrupt Congresses.


    But his platform was that of Republican candidate who, for all of his talk of reform, offers the crudest continuity to a country that is crying out for change.


http://www.truthout.org/article/the-anti-republican-republican-who-is-really-a-republican


That's why Osamabama moved to Chicago insteady of staying in NY.
nm
Moved hubby's 6 weeks ago. Mine only last week. (nm)

After reading Huckabee's pronouncement I was moved to religious zeal.....
I found myself saying "Good God!" and "Jesus Christ!"
Bush staff wanted bomb-detect cash moved

(Almost five years after 9/11, just how committed is Bush to keeping Americans safe?)


Bush staff wanted bomb-detect cash moved





By JOHN SOLOMON, Associated Press WriterFri Aug 11, 5:56 PM ET



While the British terror suspects were hatching their plot, the Bush administration was quietly seeking permission to divert $6 million that was supposed to be spent this year developing new homeland explosives detection technology.


Congressional leaders rejected the idea, the latest in a series of steps by the Homeland Security Department that has left lawmakers and some of the department's own experts questioning the commitment to create better anti-terror technologies.


Homeland Security's research arm, called the Sciences & Technology Directorate, is a rudderless ship without a clear way to get back on course, Republican and Democratic senators on the Appropriations Committee declared recently.


The committee is extremely disappointed with the manner in which S&T is being managed within the Department of Homeland Security, the panel wrote June 29 in a bipartisan report accompanying the agency's 2007 budget.


Rep. Martin Sabo, D-Minn., who joined Republicans to block the administration's recent diversion of explosives detection money, said research and development is crucial to thwarting future attacks and there is bipartisan agreement that Homeland Security has fallen short.


They clearly have been given lots of resources that they haven't been using, Sabo said.


Homeland Security said Friday its research arm has just gotten a new leader, former Navy research chief Rear Adm. Jay Cohen, and there is strong optimism for developing new detection technologies in the future.


I don't have any criticisms of anyone, said Kip Hawley, the assistant secretary for transportation security. I have great hope for the future. There is tremendous intensity on this issue among the senior management of this department to make this area a strength.


Lawmakers and recently retired Homeland Security officials say they are concerned the department's research and development effort is bogged down by bureaucracy, lack of strategic planning and failure to use money wisely.


The department failed to spend $200 million in research and development money from past years, forcing lawmakers to rescind the money this summer.


The administration also was slow to start testing a new liquid explosives detector that the Japanese government provided to the United States earlier this year.


The British plot to blow up as many as 10 American airlines on trans-Atlantic flights was to involve liquid explosives.


Hawley said Homeland Security now is going to test the detector in six American airports. It is very promising technology and we are extremely interested in it to help us operationally in the next several years, he said.


Japan has been using the liquid explosive detectors in its Narita International Airport in Tokyo and demonstrated the technology to U.S. officials at a conference in January, the Japanese Embassy in Washington said.


Homeland Security is spending a total of $732 million this year on various explosives deterrents and has tested several commercial liquid explosive detectors over the past few years but hasn't been satisfied enough with the results to deploy them.


Hawley said current liquid detectors that can scan only individual containers aren't suitable for wide deployment because they would bring security check lines to a crawl.


For more than four years, officials inside Homeland Security also have debated whether to deploy smaller trace explosive detectors — already in most American airports — to foreign airports to help stop any bomb chemicals or devices from making it onto U.S.-destined flights.


A 2002 Homeland report recommended immediate deployment of the trace units to key European airports, highlighting their low cost, $40,000 per unit, and their detection capabilities. The report said one such unit was able, 25 days later, to detect explosives residue inside the airplane where convicted shoe bomber Richard Reid was foiled in his attack in December 2001.

A 2005 report to Congress similarly urged that the trace detectors be used more aggressively, and strongly warned the continuing failure to distribute such detectors to foreign airports may be an invitation to terrorist to ply their trade, using techniques that they have already used on a number of occasions.

Tony Fainberg, who formerly oversaw Homeland Security's explosive and radiation detection research with the national labs, said he strongly urged deployment of the detectors overseas but was rebuffed.

It is not that expensive, said Fainberg, who retired recently. There was no resistance from any country that I was aware of, and yet we didn't deploy it.

Fainberg said research efforts were often frustrated inside Homeland Security by bureaucratic games, a lack of strategic goals and months-long delays in distributing money Congress had already approved.

There has not been a focused and coherent strategic plan for defining what we need ... and then matching the research and development plans to that overall strategy, he said.

Rep. Peter DeFazio (news, bio, voting record) of Oregon, a senior Democrat on the Homeland Security Committee, said he urged the administration three years ago to buy electron scanners, like the ones used at London's airport to detect plastics that might be hidden beneath passenger clothes.

It's been an ongoing frustration about their resistance to purchase off-the-shelf, state-of-the-art equipment that can meet these threats, he said.

The administration's most recent budget request also mystified lawmakers. It asked to take $6 million from Homeland S&T's 2006 budget that was supposed to be used to develop explosives detection technology and instead divert it to cover a budget shortfall in the Federal Protective Service, which provides security around government buildings.

Sens. Judd Gregg, R-N.H., and Robert Byrd, D-W.Va., the top two lawmakers for Senate homeland appropriations, rejected the idea shortly after it arrived late last month, Senate leadership officials said.

Their House counterparts, Reps. Hal Rogers, R-Ky., and Sabo, likewise rejected the request in recent days, Appropriations Committee spokeswoman Kirsten Brost said. Homeland said Friday it won't divert the money.

___

Associated Press writer Leslie Miller contributed to this story.




Who's doing the name calling here? LOL
Try reading a little closer!

I said it was an ignorant post. There is a lesson in semantics here:Surly you can tell the difference between "ignorant poster" and ignorant post?

My post was not "name calling" - I simply pointed out the poster's opinions were not based in known fact.

As to name calling, I would point out your use of the term 'naïve' - what part of my post criticising Obama A DEMOCRAT - didn't you read? Why would you assume I give the Clintons a pass?

both parties are corrupt to the gills and Americans in general are ignorant of what they are actually do to us ALL and to the world.

Read a little closer before you rant :)
Why do they keep calling?

Over the last 3 or 4 days I have gotten 6 or 7 calls (they call twice a day and always when I am sitting down to eat).  They are the democrats calling telling me all the wonderful things about Obama and I have to show my support and vote for him).  I keep telling them I am a registered democrat so they know who I am voting for and after they've gone on about him they then say "well you should vote your concious", but they always say it quite softly and one person I asked him to repeat what he said because I couldn't hear it.  The last one I told them if I'm voting my conscious why are you propping up Obama?


I don't understand if I'm a registered democrat why are the democrats calling me, shouldn't the republicans be calling me?  I have not received one call from anyone on the republicans side (and I haven't left my house since last Saturday when I went grocery shopping so know I haven't missed any calls).


This is just so frustrating.  I'd turn off my phone but I have friends and family that call me too.  Boy I cannot wait for the election to be over.


There was no name calling at all there nm
nm
Name calling. How like you.
xx
Again with the name calling?
What are you, 9?
Name calling

What are you a child with your name calling?  How can anyone take anything you say seriously when you act like a 5-year-old calling names?


 


name calling
I have bedbugs crawling all over me as I lie on the bed in this cheap motel.

Things zoom past me that I just don't get.

I am such a wrong poor widdle victim of meanies and misogynists, and I play the race card too. And I drank so much Kool-Aid that I cannot face unpleasant truths.

I refuse to grow up. And I can't put a sentence together.....

But you have a face only a mother could love...
I don't appreciate you calling me a liar
and neocons liars in general (BTW, I'm not a neocon), and I refuse to discuss the gross inaccuracies in the article above with a person who thinks we're all liars. It's blatant waste of time.
Like Pat Robertson calling for
of Chavez? Or telling the people of Dover not to pray to God 'cause God won't answer? Must be nice to have such a straight line to the Lord God. Yeah, that's REAL Christianity alright.
Can you stop with the name calling please?
The moderator asked that we be respectful, and "ignorant conservatives" is far from that. Branding a whole group of people based on the way one person posts shows very little tolerance on your part. I thought liberals were supposed to be tolerant and believe in the rights of EVERYONE...EVEN...GASP...OH NO...conservatives!!! You do not sound very tolerant and you walked ALL OVER this poster's rights. I guess it is a case of Do as I say...not as I do? It kinda makes any statement or point you wished to make here ring very hollow...at least in this ignorant conservative's view.
You keep calling me your friend...

...why is that?  I hope you don't generally treat your friends this way.


As far as me singling people out to torment -- it would only be you and it would be singular.  Plus, I didn't "single" you out, just saw your posts on a PUBLIC forum and as I said, they looked kind of mean and cruddy.  However, I would say you are the PLURAL stalker.  Come one, come all you will take them on and condemn and mock all that folks say on the liberal board!!  And then accuse them of all being the same person.   Lots of paranoia goin' on in that ole brain of yours, doesn't sound very healthy at all!!!   No, sir!!!


Can we stop with the name calling?
Just because you do not agree does not make the poster ignorant. Condescending, to say the least.

Obama's message of empathy is redistribution of wealth. Socialism 101. Why do you think because someone has been successful that obligates them to pay more than anyone else? If you check on a lot of those so-called rich, they give more heavily to charitable organizations, establish foundations, etc. They don't horde it all and count it daily and laugh maniacally because they have it and you don't. Class envy is a nasty, nasty thing.
Why not a flat tax? Ten percent across the board, we ALL pay it. THAT is fair. The rich already pay over 90% of ALL taxes in the coffers. Even THAT is not enough for you.

Perhaps Obama could keep his girls out of camp one year and put that 10 grand toward helping some of the less fortunate. Let him lead by example. Ah...but don't hold your breath. And it is not just Obama...any Dem. Lead by example...cut them a check every month, right of the top of your wages.

It is very naive to suggest that corruption resides only on the republican side. The Clintons have run corrupt administrations from Arkansas right on up. I refer you to the hail mary pardons, travelgate, whitewater, and on and on and on and on. If you are going to accuse, you should accuse across the board.

Another very naive point..stopping nuclear proliferation. It is NOT going to happen. It cannot happen. For it to happen, all parties have to be on board. Russia will never surrender its nukes. Iran will never surrender its nukes. If Israel ever surrenders it's nukes, they have signed their death warrant. Can we not be realistic about this??
thanks for calling me stupid ...
who knows? If you are half as smart as you think apparently think you are, yes indeedy -- maybe you could do it ... if you had become governor of a State!

I am tired of the slick, coached peoplel who simply regurgitate what the punduits tell them too. At least, for now, she is a real person ....

I can see why you like Obama -you have the same superiority attitude with a condescending nature ... LOL

that said, I really do not like him BUT I may vote for him - I truly haven't made up my mind yet.

LOL ....


It's about the issues, not the name-calling.
nm
Calling all rebpublicans.
nm
Calling all pubs.
xoxoxoxo
No sam, I'm not calling for anyone's head
this.  Why are you making it so dem/pub?
rude you are. Calling
someone an 'old man' is showing a complete lack of respect.
thanks for calling me a liar --

on your party as I am a registered democrat -- got my "Are you supporting Obama?" call just last week.  I told her then that I was undecided, but over the last few days, I have finally come to a decision.  I'm voting McCain. 


Your immaturity disproves your credibility (are those words too big for you?).


Your name calling reflects more on you....
than the object of it. Does it make you feel smug and superior?
I'm not the one calling him the messiah........sm
Check out some of the Obama supporter web sites if you don't believe that his own people are calling him that, Louis Farrakan for one. Here is what Farrakan has to say.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OowxMcVTjTE

Farrakan says: "You are the instruments that God is going to use to bring about universal change. And that is why Barack has captured the youth. And he has involved young people in a political process that they didn't care anything about. That's a sign. When The Messiah speaks, the youth will hear. And The Messiah is absolutely speaking."

He is being tauted as the messiah by many of his supporters. IF he were the messiah, he would be coming down from heaven on the clouds riding a white horse and wielding a sword. Read Revelation 19:11-16.
calling names

Vie:


I don't know which side of the bed or as I tend to think you crawled out UNDER, but to call people names on top of your irrational delusional rants about who said what here - you are truly asking to bet your feelings hurt here.  As far as your comment about 'what are you going to say when you stand in front of God' to "M/SM"; I am sure they will say that they are glad they are NOT YOU.  Don't go away mad - just go away..


Smears, name calling and
unsubstantiated accusations do not pass for intelligent political dialog. Seems like you have had plenty of time since November to absorb the reality that this kind of doo-doo is what lost the election for McC and his rogue sidekick. You might want to come up with a more inspired strategy.
Do you EVER stop the name-calling?
nm
There you go - another name calling insult
Can you try to have an adult convesation here instead of proving us right by repeatedly name calling and "trying" to ridicule those who don't agree with you.
But calling me a liar when you know nothing about me is...
so mature. At any rate, I did not make bad decisions. We bought the house three years ago (at the height of the market) and still paid less than it is worth today--in a West Coast state, no less. I would say that our decisions were just fine. And we did it without family money. My investment is sound and I will be fine. I just don't care for the fact that people who are defaulting on loans can refinance at lower rates, but if you are a responsible person who pays on time every time, you are SOL. This should irritate you, as well, if what you say is true. My big point was that even though my property assessment by the state went down in value, we will still b e paying more in taxes this year. That was it. And no, I am not lying.
Why the name calling? Isn't this a place where...
...people can feel free to express their opinions?  Your post was just plain rude.
Calling all brainboxes.........
Yup, just what I thought.
I'd say that's the pot calling the kettle black, gt. sm
It's not up to you to judge who is Christian and who is not.  Anyone who wishes for someone to burn in hell along with his family has no business especially judging anyone's Christianity.  Good Lord.