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My main problem with Biden now is that....

Posted By: sam on 2008-08-28
In Reply to: My problem with Biden was - disgusted

not only did he lie (whether during the primaries or now, take your pick), but when he threw his friend, John McCain, under the bus in such a hateful, public manner, for the sake of politics...any integrity I thought he might have had went right under the bus with McCain. He may say he is blue collar anddown to earth, but the blue collardown to earth people i know and were raised with DO NOT throw friends under the bus.

Frankly, I believe that Bill and Hill and Joe Biden too were tellng the truth during the primaries...Obama isn't ready to be President. What did Biden say..."The presidency doesn't lend itself to on-the-job training..." and the things Hillary said too numerous to mention. And now, all of a sudden, they do a complete 180 and he's the man for the job. Honestly, how can ANYone believe ANY of them? Obama threw Wright under the bus, Biden through McCain under the bus...no holds barred by golly. And the thing is...that this is the BIG one...all of his followers do believe it. Or they don't believe it and they don't care. I tend toward the first...because they are like adoring throngs chasing a rock star. Amazing.

I am just wondering what all our world leaders who have a so-called bad image of us, are going to think of the hollywood production number tonight? How will any of them be able to take him remotely seriously? How is he going to be able to sit down and have a conversation with Ahmadinejad or Medvedev? Is he going to take Biden to all his meetings? I am not trying to bash Obama...it is a legitimate concern.


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My MT pay is certainly not the main income....

in this household. Sure, we could lose our jobs, however, we are quite prepared for something like that. We have an emergency fund in place that would last at least a year (a year's worth of mortgage and utilility payments), we don't have a car payment, all credit cards are paid off and we have CDs, retirement funds, etc. It's called planning for the future and planning for the unexpected. We have paid into unemployment, so of course we would take it if we had to.


My main feeling is that we are
somehow purposely being herded through a squeeze shoot - by the time we have lost our jobs and insurance, we will be more than happy to accept socialism. none of this bail out is going to trickle down this far; in fact, we are the source of money with our pennies and dimes so they can have bonuses and vacations. When I got laid off last year, it was the first time in over 21 years that I had thanksgiving, christmas and new year's off. Reliant Energy in Houston is for sell. UTMB Hospital in Galveston just laid of 3800, they are the largest employer in this county. Everybody can't be bailed out. Buckle up, everybody.
Of course not. That's one of the main reasons
what you seem to be missing is the fact that NOTHING has been decided on the fate of those prisoners in terms of where they will be housed OR how their trials will or (in some cases, in the absence of evidence) will not progress.

You want to get your drawers in an uproar? Here's the reality of the situation. Our legal system will ultimately be upheld and its integrity will be restored. Inthe process, it is quite possible that some of those prisoners will be released and never face a legitimate trial BECAUSE of the botch job the shrub did with this fiasco. We may very well find ourselves back at square one with some of them, but for me, preserving the integrity of our constitution/legal system and restoring human rights back into the equation is worth the price we may end up paying.
The main reason we went to war with Iraq
was the same reason Clinton said...because of Hussein's failing to comply with U.S. Sanctions.  I think GWB gave Hussein several more months to comply before he made a military move.  After 9/11 the patience with Hussein ran out, and we could take no chances with his noncompliance. The stakes were just too high.  I'm not disputing that some of the intelligence may have been faulty.  I think it has been proven that the CIA is not up to snuff, and the deterioration began way before GWB took office  but to say emphatically Bush lied is stepping way out on a limb.  Thanks for discussing issues Dem. It's a breath of fresh air from all the fighting that's going on.
If that's the main issue in voting for s/m
a presidential candidate,  I'll wear a big flag pin, say the pledge, put my hand over my heart, salute the flag 50 times, sing the Star Spangled Banner, and I'll get the job. Yep, that makes me presidential miteereal...
My main reason for voting for McCain because

1.  TRUST. Don't trust O.


2. TRUTH. He is more truthful than the O. I didn't hear him waver much from what he has been saying through the whole campaign, while O has changed his mind a few times.


3.  AMERICA. He believes in this country and its freedoms. O wants to curb our freedom.


4.  "MAVERICK". He does cross party lines and buck the system. O will vote specifically with the dems all the time,,, and I really hate the word Maverick.


5.  SAFETY. He will keep us safer. O would rather talk. Talking gets you nowhere with the radicals in the world today. The radicals give their word and the next day will kill.


6. I believe he will TRY to cut government spending. This one is iffy since it depends on who runs the house and senate, but I believe he will try his darndest to get this done.


There are so many more reasons why I chose McC and those include those in the below posts.


Saw this on the main board, had to ask the Obama-ites here...
"We have a new administration coming in Washington in a few weeks already expressing a commitment to saving healtcare dollars by forcing an accelerated move to a nationwise EHR system. Will our work be in it at all? ? ? I've said it before, all it would take would be Medicare announcing in future it would no longer reimburse narrative-report costs to do away with most of our jobs within months."

Since a couple people have already told me I can't do my own research, I decided to go with that and just ask you know it alls if this is true or not....
MSM = Main stream media, not MSNBC. But it can be if you like. sm
I am not trying to cover my behind as you posted. The point I am trying to make is that Obama never made a statement condemning the murder of the slain recruiter at the hands of a Muslim convert like he did condemning the murder of George Tiller at the hands of a so-called right-wing extremist. What is the difference? Why is one condemned and the other is not. Is it because one is Christian and one isn't? They are both crimes of hate. As is the case of the man who beheaded his wife when she served him divorce papers.
Just for your info, I voted for McCain, main reason
because who the O associates with and now Chief of Staff?  Confirms everything that I thought.  Still have my McCain sign out in the front lawn.
Former Head of Star Wars: Cheney Main 9/11 Suspect
Former Head Of Star Wars Program Says Cheney Main 9/11 Suspect
Official version of events a conspiracy theory, says drills were cover for attacks

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet.com | April 4 2006

The former head of the Star Wars missile defense program under Presidents Ford and Carter has gone public to say that the official version of 9/11 is a conspiracy theory and his main suspect for the architect of the attack is Vice President Dick Cheney.

Dr. Robert M. Bowman, Lt. Col., USAF, ret. flew 101 combat missions in Vietnam. He is the recipient of the Eisenhower Medal, the George F. Kennan Peace Prize, the President’s Medal of Veterans for Peace, the Society of Military Engineers Gold Medal (twice), six Air Medals, and dozens of other awards and honors. His Ph.D. is in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering from Caltech. He chaired 8 major international conferences, and is one of the country’s foremost experts on National Security.

Bowman worked secretly for the US government on the Star Wars project and was the first to coin the very term in a 1977 secret memo. After Bowman realized that the program was only ever intended to be used as an aggressive and not defensive tool, as part of a plan to initiate a nuclear war with the Soviets, he left the program and campaigned against it.

In an interview with The Alex Jones Show aired nationally on the GCN Radio Network, Bowman (pictured below) stated that at the bare minimum if Osama bin Laden and Al-Qaeda were involved in 9/11 then the government stood down and allowed the attacks to happen. He said it is plausible that the entire chain of military command were unaware of what was taking place and were used as tools by the people pulling the strings behind the attack.



Bowman outlined how the drills on the morning of 9/11 that simulated planes crashing into buildings on the east coast were used as a cover to dupe unwitting air defense personnel into not responding quickly enough to stop the attack.

The exercises that went on that morning simulating the exact kind of thing that was happening so confused the people in the FAA and NORAD....that they didn't they didn't know what was real and what was part of the exercise, said Bowman

I think the people who planned and carried out those exercises, they're the ones that should be the object of investigation.

Asked if he could name a prime suspect who was the likely architect behind the attacks, Bowman stated, If I had to narrow it down to one person....I think my prime suspect would be Dick Cheney.

Bowman said that privately his military fighter pilot peers and colleagues did not disagree with his sentiments about the real story behind 9/11.

Bowman agreed that the US was in danger of slipping into a dictatorship and stated, I think there's been nothing closer to fascism than what we've seen lately from this government.

Bowman slammed the Patriot Act as having, Done more to destroy the rights of Americans than all of our enemies combined.



Bowman trashed the 9/11 Commission as a politically motivated cover-up with abounding conflicts of interest, charging, The 9/11 Commission omitted anything that might be the least bit suspicious or embarrassing or in any way detract from the official conspiracy so it was a total whitewash.

There needs to be a true investigation, not the kind of sham investigations we have had with the 9/11 omission and all the rest of that junk, said Bowman.

Asked if the perpetrators of 9/11 were preparing to stage another false-flag attack to reinvigorate their agenda Bowman agreed that, I can see that and I hope they can't pull it off, I hope they are prevented from pulling it off but I know darn good and well they'd like to have another one.

A mainstay of the attack pieces against Charlie Sheen have been that he is not credible enough to speak on the topic of 9/11. These charges are ridiculed by the fact that Sheen is an expert on 9/11 who spends hours a day meticulously researching the topic, something that the attack dogs have failed to do, aiming their comments solely at Sheen's personal life and ignoring his invitation to challenge him on the facts.

In addition, from the very start we have put forth eminently credible individuals only for them to be ignored by the establishment media. Physics Professors, former White House advisors and CIA analysts, the father of Reaganomics, German Defense Ministers and Bush's former Secretary of the Treasury, have all gone public on 9/11 but have been uniformly ignored by the majority of the establishment press.

Will Robert Bowman also be blackballed as the mainstream continue to misrepresent the 9/11 truth movement as an occupation of the fringe minority?

Bowman is currently running for Congress in Florida's 15th District.

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http://www.prisonplanet.com/article...mainsuspect.htm

Joe Biden-Hunter Biden..so much for change

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2008/08/hunter-biden-joe-biden-anthony-lotito.php


I think BB has a point here in that the main point on the board is political discussion, and let'
face it, there is SO MUCH going on right now, changes, problems, disasters, and so much debate on what should/could be done, but so many tims the political discussion disintegrates in a finger-pointing, name-calling exercise, spouting religion all over the place. Yeah, our spiritual beliefs are dearly held and we would all strive to be the best we can be, and do whatever we can whatever the ideology is, but sometimes I wonder, since we have a board EXPRESSLY for Faith isuues, where relgious debates/discussions/forums, etc are welcome, why does THIS board have to be turned into RELIGION BOARD PART II, especially if one ideology wants to dominate or ridicule/condemn those who come on here for lively inteligent discussion, debate of issues in Congress and in our lives, and just want their beliefs held separately? CNN is not EWTN or any other Christian network, and there are constant informative, bright, lively, balanced discussions from all over the political spectrum on the credentialed news stations, as well as C-Span, but they are not constantly hiding behind a cross, rosary, bible, star of David, or whatever....can we not strive to do the same and put religious debate on the Faith board?? Just a thought to ponder, MHO, it might work beter, who knows?
Because you posted on the Main board not Politics board.
It was removed, as we do not have an option of moving from Main to Politics.

This could have easily been avoided had you posted on the correct board.

The response from another poster to not post political viewpoints on this board was becuase you posted it on the Main board.
Go Obama/Biden! I don't like it and will VOTE OBAMA/BIDEN!

Obama has shown great judgment in the people who surround him.  He picked a great VP choice, and his wife is impeccable as a helpmate and is a fantastic role model for the American children.   


I get your point, but my main point is -
why should the government be allowed to tell people what they can and can't eat? Everyone says the government is too involved in our business anyway, so if they should stay out of one part of our lives, they should stay out of all parts of our lives!
Biden
I think it is a good choice. Biden's a decent guy and fills in the foreign policy gap that Obama has. I think it was a tough spot for Obama to find a VP. He picks someone like Biden who is experienced and has military/foreign policy behind him and he gets criticized for being establishment and not keeping with his "change" message. He picks an outsider change person and he gets criticized for having no experience or military/foreign policy behind him. He picks Hillary and half the Democrats love him for it and get energized, while the other half of Democrats are angry at him and let down, and ALL of the Republicans are happy and energized to support their candidate whom to this point most have had a hard time getting excited about. It will be very interesting to see if McCain picks Romney or not. I think it would help him in some ways and really hurt him in others. I'm looking forward to the VP debate - Biden against anyone! Sure to be fun.
Joe Biden
So why no conversation on Joe Biden?
You mean like when Biden said...
Obama wasn't qualified for the job and now he is? LIke that kind of talking about both sides of mouth??
More on Biden...
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/washingtonpostinvestigations/2008/08/biden_familys_lobbyist_financi.html
did Biden just really say this
"reduce not just the interest but reduce the principle." Okay, so we worked out butts off for years to keep up with our mortgage on a house we could afford and they are going to basically going to give it to the people who didn't????? Why am I not in a Million dollar home that the government is going to give me 'cuz I can't pay for it?????
Thank you, Biden still out did her, tho...
and you would think with 36 yrs experience as a Senator he would know better, especially about the responsibilities of the VP.
Biden

I hope that anyone who hasn't seen this interview will click on the link and view it.  Biden answered each of her questions fully and completely.


I personally believe that Jon Stewart/Stephen Colbert will have a field day with this one!  The questions reminded me of one of Colbert's "Better Know a District" segments. 


Biden
He was in Evansville, Indiana at 8:30 this morning.
Biden........
Biden has a lot of experience, especially in foreign policy, but as a speaker he is too impulsive and he seems to have a temper, sometimes.
But still a great choice as running mate for Obama.
Biden was right about this...
...VP Biden told CNN that former VP D*ck Cheney is "dead wrong" in denouncing the White House's national security policies.

"The last administration left us in a weaker posture than we've been any time since World War II: less regarded in the world, stretched more thinly than we ever have been in the past, two wars under way, virtually no respect in entire parts of the world."
Joe Biden knows what he is doing?
HA!  That is a laugh! 
That's Obama bin Biden
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what? said about biden by a white.
where do you get racism out of that?
My problem with Biden was
something I heard a few days ago about his being one of the first to tighten up on bankruptcy laws which might be fine except for the fact one son just out of law school just happened to be working for a credit card conglomerate.
Obama/Biden looking better and better.
I guess we're all human, but still.... 
if obama/biden

were for preemptive war, suspension of habeas corpus, torture, and no oversight of corporations resulting in Halliburton, Enron, and banking industry scandals, I would not consider voting for them, no matter how compelling their personal stories or charming they may be. That is why I vote democrat.


 


DO we want to examine Joe Biden's...
"the presidency does not lend itself to on-the-job training" to "Barack Obama is ready for the job." ? ALL politicians are going to have those "words out of their own mouths" contradicting "words out of their own mouths." It is the nature of the beast.
Biden prefaces his

remarks with his fondness for JMC as a person and honors his service.  He does NOT think his policies are right for the country.   Big difference.


 


Palin/Biden
I don't know, I heard Obama denounce bringing the kids into the politics and he seemed pretty forceful and pretty snarly himself.  My opinion is the kids ought to be off limits but when the candidates (both of them) trot them out, that takes the "hands off" out of play for me.  They can't have it both ways.  If they really care about the kids, leave them out of the spotlight TOTALLY.  Although I admit the little girl licking her hand and smoothing the baby's hair was pretty endearing..............BUT fairplay, don't show that and then say that it isn't fair to talk about the unwed daughter's pregnancy....so leave her off the camera, don't trot in the boyfriend to participate too.  Ridiculous!
Biden was right, but, of course, now he suddenly
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Biden Caught In A Lie

Biden caught in a lie





This really couldn’t have come at a worse time for Joe Biden. Speaking on Fox and Friends, Sen. Biden, the Democrat VP nominee denied reports from ABC news that if elected, he planned on pursuing criminal charges against the Bush Administration.



“That’s not true. I don’t know where that report’s coming from,” Biden told Fox & Friends.


Here you go Joe. See if this jogs your memory just a bit.



Poor old Joe. I expect the “Dump Biden” movement to pick up steam in the next few days.


h/t FreeRepublic


Biden and Clinton

Anyone else read the article where Biden says Hilary Clinton might have been a better choice as a VP than him?  How true.  Hilary doesn't scare me nearly as much as Obama does!


Joe Biden? LOL -the scariest of them all.
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Joe Biden and MBNA...
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZDU4OTdhMTFhN2YwZTY3MmMzNGFhYzc3ODdhOTA0ZjQ=
Biden is good at saying what he

really means at times and then having to backtrack.  Just like what he said about Obama's experience until he was picked #2 and now Obama is experienced.  LOL.  Or how about when Biden criticized an ad the Obama campaign released stating,"I thought that was terrible by the way" and "if I'd have had anything to do with it, we never would have done it."  Now he is saying it is okay because McCain's campaign ads are just as bad and therefore McCain has no reason to complain about Obama's ads.  LOL! 


I seriously wonder what Obama was thinking when he picked Biden.  I bet they cringe every time he is interviewed.


Biden is much worse. I think the guy has
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Obama + Biden....sm
oreos with no milk....








less than nothing there
Who said I was for Biden -- I just don't happen to
trying to start an argument on this board.  I don't like the woman.  Do I have to like her to vote for McCain?  Some would say yes, since if elected she will probably be Pres in a year or 2 when McCain kills over.  She's probably the biggest turnoff to me in McCain's whole campaign.  Why couldn't he have picked someone else -- like Hillary?
Biden 's quote
Or, to quote JOE BIDEN:
"I think he CAN be ready, but right now I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training."

I do not agree with Biden's statement. It is not clear to me what motivated Biden to say this after Obama chose him as running mate.
And Biden said this some time ago.



but whoa, what about Biden
guaranteeing that we would have a "crisis" in the first 6 months of an Obama presidency -- as the enemy would definitely test him -- and as frosting on the cake, biden then saying, "it may not look like we will be handling it right", but "we will!" Good grief. If you care about the safety of Americans, you better vote McCain/Palin.
Just a guess, but I think that Biden because of ...sm
his position in the Senate Foreign Relations Committee may have already known about the news that came out today about AQ when he gave his opinion on this subject.
Biden will when he makes his run for
@
Again, Biden handled EVERY

question asked of him.


Tell me WHICH question he didn't answer.


Oh, that's right.


You can't. 


Well, Biden is against abortion.

I think a woman should have a right to choose no matter what the circumstance.  And all of you saying you want to pay more taxes for these children born out of wedlock like Palin's daughter, then you're being hypocritical.  You either want to pay more for these programs or you don't. 


Just because someone wants to adopt a child doesn't mean they are good parents. 


FYI to poster in this thread; STDs do take lives.  AIDS kills.  If the doctor doesn't treat the patient and educate them on safety especially homosexuals, an STD will take a life. 


Where in the world is Biden?

All three are out campaining - Obama, McCain & Palin.  And they are campaining hard.  All 3 of them.  So where in the world is Biden and why is he not out campaigning?  The last I saw they had him stuck in a plane by himself somewhere probably on his way back to his mansion to keep his mouth shut.  Another person who is not out anymore is Richardson.  Haven't seen him since he slipped and let it known that Obama keeps lowering his idea of rich.


So c'mon, where are they hiden Biden?


Biden is even less qualified.......sm
the only thing he can say without screwing it up is "HI! I'm Joe Biden!!!"