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Posted By: true blue on 2008-11-13
In Reply to: Excellent point! Please see message. - Marmann

somehow purposely being herded through a squeeze shoot - by the time we have lost our jobs and insurance, we will be more than happy to accept socialism. none of this bail out is going to trickle down this far; in fact, we are the source of money with our pennies and dimes so they can have bonuses and vacations. When I got laid off last year, it was the first time in over 21 years that I had thanksgiving, christmas and new year's off. Reliant Energy in Houston is for sell. UTMB Hospital in Galveston just laid of 3800, they are the largest employer in this county. Everybody can't be bailed out. Buckle up, everybody.


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My MT pay is certainly not the main income....

in this household. Sure, we could lose our jobs, however, we are quite prepared for something like that. We have an emergency fund in place that would last at least a year (a year's worth of mortgage and utilility payments), we don't have a car payment, all credit cards are paid off and we have CDs, retirement funds, etc. It's called planning for the future and planning for the unexpected. We have paid into unemployment, so of course we would take it if we had to.


Of course not. That's one of the main reasons
what you seem to be missing is the fact that NOTHING has been decided on the fate of those prisoners in terms of where they will be housed OR how their trials will or (in some cases, in the absence of evidence) will not progress.

You want to get your drawers in an uproar? Here's the reality of the situation. Our legal system will ultimately be upheld and its integrity will be restored. Inthe process, it is quite possible that some of those prisoners will be released and never face a legitimate trial BECAUSE of the botch job the shrub did with this fiasco. We may very well find ourselves back at square one with some of them, but for me, preserving the integrity of our constitution/legal system and restoring human rights back into the equation is worth the price we may end up paying.
The main reason we went to war with Iraq
was the same reason Clinton said...because of Hussein's failing to comply with U.S. Sanctions.  I think GWB gave Hussein several more months to comply before he made a military move.  After 9/11 the patience with Hussein ran out, and we could take no chances with his noncompliance. The stakes were just too high.  I'm not disputing that some of the intelligence may have been faulty.  I think it has been proven that the CIA is not up to snuff, and the deterioration began way before GWB took office  but to say emphatically Bush lied is stepping way out on a limb.  Thanks for discussing issues Dem. It's a breath of fresh air from all the fighting that's going on.
If that's the main issue in voting for s/m
a presidential candidate,  I'll wear a big flag pin, say the pledge, put my hand over my heart, salute the flag 50 times, sing the Star Spangled Banner, and I'll get the job. Yep, that makes me presidential miteereal...
My main problem with Biden now is that....
not only did he lie (whether during the primaries or now, take your pick), but when he threw his friend, John McCain, under the bus in such a hateful, public manner, for the sake of politics...any integrity I thought he might have had went right under the bus with McCain. He may say he is blue collar anddown to earth, but the blue collardown to earth people i know and were raised with DO NOT throw friends under the bus.

Frankly, I believe that Bill and Hill and Joe Biden too were tellng the truth during the primaries...Obama isn't ready to be President. What did Biden say..."The presidency doesn't lend itself to on-the-job training..." and the things Hillary said too numerous to mention. And now, all of a sudden, they do a complete 180 and he's the man for the job. Honestly, how can ANYone believe ANY of them? Obama threw Wright under the bus, Biden through McCain under the bus...no holds barred by golly. And the thing is...that this is the BIG one...all of his followers do believe it. Or they don't believe it and they don't care. I tend toward the first...because they are like adoring throngs chasing a rock star. Amazing.

I am just wondering what all our world leaders who have a so-called bad image of us, are going to think of the hollywood production number tonight? How will any of them be able to take him remotely seriously? How is he going to be able to sit down and have a conversation with Ahmadinejad or Medvedev? Is he going to take Biden to all his meetings? I am not trying to bash Obama...it is a legitimate concern.
My main reason for voting for McCain because

1.  TRUST. Don't trust O.


2. TRUTH. He is more truthful than the O. I didn't hear him waver much from what he has been saying through the whole campaign, while O has changed his mind a few times.


3.  AMERICA. He believes in this country and its freedoms. O wants to curb our freedom.


4.  "MAVERICK". He does cross party lines and buck the system. O will vote specifically with the dems all the time,,, and I really hate the word Maverick.


5.  SAFETY. He will keep us safer. O would rather talk. Talking gets you nowhere with the radicals in the world today. The radicals give their word and the next day will kill.


6. I believe he will TRY to cut government spending. This one is iffy since it depends on who runs the house and senate, but I believe he will try his darndest to get this done.


There are so many more reasons why I chose McC and those include those in the below posts.


Saw this on the main board, had to ask the Obama-ites here...
"We have a new administration coming in Washington in a few weeks already expressing a commitment to saving healtcare dollars by forcing an accelerated move to a nationwise EHR system. Will our work be in it at all? ? ? I've said it before, all it would take would be Medicare announcing in future it would no longer reimburse narrative-report costs to do away with most of our jobs within months."

Since a couple people have already told me I can't do my own research, I decided to go with that and just ask you know it alls if this is true or not....
MSM = Main stream media, not MSNBC. But it can be if you like. sm
I am not trying to cover my behind as you posted. The point I am trying to make is that Obama never made a statement condemning the murder of the slain recruiter at the hands of a Muslim convert like he did condemning the murder of George Tiller at the hands of a so-called right-wing extremist. What is the difference? Why is one condemned and the other is not. Is it because one is Christian and one isn't? They are both crimes of hate. As is the case of the man who beheaded his wife when she served him divorce papers.
Just for your info, I voted for McCain, main reason
because who the O associates with and now Chief of Staff?  Confirms everything that I thought.  Still have my McCain sign out in the front lawn.
Former Head of Star Wars: Cheney Main 9/11 Suspect
Former Head Of Star Wars Program Says Cheney Main 9/11 Suspect
Official version of events a conspiracy theory, says drills were cover for attacks

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet.com | April 4 2006

The former head of the Star Wars missile defense program under Presidents Ford and Carter has gone public to say that the official version of 9/11 is a conspiracy theory and his main suspect for the architect of the attack is Vice President Dick Cheney.

Dr. Robert M. Bowman, Lt. Col., USAF, ret. flew 101 combat missions in Vietnam. He is the recipient of the Eisenhower Medal, the George F. Kennan Peace Prize, the President’s Medal of Veterans for Peace, the Society of Military Engineers Gold Medal (twice), six Air Medals, and dozens of other awards and honors. His Ph.D. is in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering from Caltech. He chaired 8 major international conferences, and is one of the country’s foremost experts on National Security.

Bowman worked secretly for the US government on the Star Wars project and was the first to coin the very term in a 1977 secret memo. After Bowman realized that the program was only ever intended to be used as an aggressive and not defensive tool, as part of a plan to initiate a nuclear war with the Soviets, he left the program and campaigned against it.

In an interview with The Alex Jones Show aired nationally on the GCN Radio Network, Bowman (pictured below) stated that at the bare minimum if Osama bin Laden and Al-Qaeda were involved in 9/11 then the government stood down and allowed the attacks to happen. He said it is plausible that the entire chain of military command were unaware of what was taking place and were used as tools by the people pulling the strings behind the attack.



Bowman outlined how the drills on the morning of 9/11 that simulated planes crashing into buildings on the east coast were used as a cover to dupe unwitting air defense personnel into not responding quickly enough to stop the attack.

The exercises that went on that morning simulating the exact kind of thing that was happening so confused the people in the FAA and NORAD....that they didn't they didn't know what was real and what was part of the exercise, said Bowman

I think the people who planned and carried out those exercises, they're the ones that should be the object of investigation.

Asked if he could name a prime suspect who was the likely architect behind the attacks, Bowman stated, If I had to narrow it down to one person....I think my prime suspect would be Dick Cheney.

Bowman said that privately his military fighter pilot peers and colleagues did not disagree with his sentiments about the real story behind 9/11.

Bowman agreed that the US was in danger of slipping into a dictatorship and stated, I think there's been nothing closer to fascism than what we've seen lately from this government.

Bowman slammed the Patriot Act as having, Done more to destroy the rights of Americans than all of our enemies combined.



Bowman trashed the 9/11 Commission as a politically motivated cover-up with abounding conflicts of interest, charging, The 9/11 Commission omitted anything that might be the least bit suspicious or embarrassing or in any way detract from the official conspiracy so it was a total whitewash.

There needs to be a true investigation, not the kind of sham investigations we have had with the 9/11 omission and all the rest of that junk, said Bowman.

Asked if the perpetrators of 9/11 were preparing to stage another false-flag attack to reinvigorate their agenda Bowman agreed that, I can see that and I hope they can't pull it off, I hope they are prevented from pulling it off but I know darn good and well they'd like to have another one.

A mainstay of the attack pieces against Charlie Sheen have been that he is not credible enough to speak on the topic of 9/11. These charges are ridiculed by the fact that Sheen is an expert on 9/11 who spends hours a day meticulously researching the topic, something that the attack dogs have failed to do, aiming their comments solely at Sheen's personal life and ignoring his invitation to challenge him on the facts.

In addition, from the very start we have put forth eminently credible individuals only for them to be ignored by the establishment media. Physics Professors, former White House advisors and CIA analysts, the father of Reaganomics, German Defense Ministers and Bush's former Secretary of the Treasury, have all gone public on 9/11 but have been uniformly ignored by the majority of the establishment press.

Will Robert Bowman also be blackballed as the mainstream continue to misrepresent the 9/11 truth movement as an occupation of the fringe minority?

Bowman is currently running for Congress in Florida's 15th District.

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http://www.prisonplanet.com/article...mainsuspect.htm

Just my feeling
To the republicans that have posted today on the liberal board..I enjoyed reading your posts..They were thought-worthy and kind of telling a bit about the posters.  I hope and wish we can keep this board as an insightful debating board..Cause, let me tell ya, the bickering and anger, displayed from both sides, just kills me..it upsets me so..You have my word, I will try my best and If I stray into nastiness, both liberals and republicans, please call me on it..
I know the feeling..its like we are
in a paralel universe to America (like in Mirror Mirror for you old Star Trek fans:) Its scary. I keep waiting to hear Rod Serling say something about the Twilight Zone..and it just gets worse all the time.
I had a feeling you did......sm
so I gave you a little nudge....was pretty sure you wouldn't be keen on that one....

:-)

feeling better?
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Bad feeling?
Well then by all means put another "cowboy" only this time a Military Cowboy in the white house and see what that does not bring.  Maybe if someone would sit down and talk to our enemies instead of throwing bombs on them we could actually get something done in our own country.  I don't like McCain's attitude, reminds me of my grandmother - look at them, decide you don't like them and walk away.  It is time to put differences aside and come together - whether he is a smooth talker or not, at least people are talking.
Wow, feeling a bit touchy are we? After all...
Excuuuuuze me for asking.
Ask Mrs. Bridger.....I have a feeling she knows; that's why
nm
I have the cure for your feeling.
If my posts make you uncomfortable, by all means don't read 'em.

Guy goes to the doctor and says "Doc, ya gotta help me. It hurts when I do this". Doctor says "Well then, don't do that!"

Get it?


Far be it from me to talk you out of your feeling of unfairness. sm
However, posts have been deleted on both boards.  There are two specific posters who are targeted by the liberals repeatedly (and you quoted one here).  Besides, liberals are sissies. This whole thing is like holding your breath until you turn blue because you can't have your way!  How do you exist in other political forums.  Most of the ones I frequent would laugh me off the board.  My last post here. This is just beating a dead horse.
Trust your instincts, know the feeling.sm
Even scarier, some people (sheep) will believe this.
So, ho wlong have you been feeling this hostile
some might conclude that the candidate with a double-digit lead would be the stronger of the two, but that logic evidently escapes you.
I just get the sick feeling in my stomach
that we are screwed either way. Neither of them have the answer. I don't care for either of their plans. All I have left to go on is which of their morals line up more with mine, and that's Mccain/Palin. I have tried to find the "hope" in Obama's plan, but the fact that the first thing he will do is sign the right to choose act when he becomes president just doesn't sit well with me. I just can't vote for him knowing he will do that. It goes against everything my faith stands for. Blast me all you want, but I am a Christian first, American second.

If we could just mush them together we might have a good candidate! We need the bionic man doctor....
I have a feeling that his plane is leased and when...sm
the campaign is over he will have no need of it for he will be flying in Air Force One. You are right about his income though. His Senate salary is miniscule when compared to the royalties from his books.
By me too - glad you're feeling better!
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I have a feeling they just want their 15 minutes of fame.

Lately, people will do anything to get their own "15 minutes of fame." That's why you have so many reality shows.


I think it's all despicable and they should not have shown that on TV. Now every other "15 minute" famer will do something on the same order to see if they can get in the newspapers or on TV. Watch and see. There's still 6 days left.


Obama gives me a bad feeling, like he's a scheister,
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I had a feeling he would talk to McCain.... sm
I think he has a lot of respect for McCain.
My, my. Feeling a little grumpy this morning?
Hope your petty snipes make you feel better.
Sheehan Feeling the Glare of the Spotlight

Some Are Focusing Anger on Protester



By Michael A. Fletcher
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, August 17, 2005; Page A03



CRAWFORD, Tex., Aug. 16 -- Cindy Sheehan rode into town 10 days ago, a forlorn mother with a question for her president: Why did my son die in Iraq?


But now the same wave of publicity and political anger that she rode to become a nationally known symbol of the antiwar movement threatens to crash down on Sheehan herself.







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Cindy
Cindy Sheehan hugs a supporter at her protest site in Crawford, Tex. Conservatives have criticized her, and she says some sympathetic groups have agendas she does not share. (By Jason Reed -- Reuters)



Conservative commentators and Web sites are taking aim at Sheehan with the same ferocity she has aimed at President Bush. In part, they are using her own words against her -- reciting such controversial comments as her vow to refuse to pay taxes to a government waging an "illegal" war and her desire to see Bush impeached.


The backlash is becoming a new object lesson in how saturation media coverage and the instinct for personal attack are shaping political debate. Some independent commentators said the pushback on the right has succeeded at scuffing the public sympathy and deference she had earned as the mother of a fallen soldier, and has shown how virtually any subject relating to the Iraq war and Bush's presidency is viewed through a partisan lens.


"Cindy Sheehan has emboldened the progressives who oppose the war and caused the conservative diehards who are behind the war to go into a defensive mode," said Michael Harrison, publisher of Talkers magazine, a trade publication for talk radio. "Cindy Sheehan is going to be a target, and they'll probably go through her past to find what they can to discredit her."


Since her son, Casey, 24, was killed in Iraq last year, Sheehan, of Vacaville, Calif., has traveled the country trying to drum up opposition to the war in Iraq. She has participated in peace conferences, demonstrations and a mock congressional hearing about the "Downing Street memo" -- notes of a meeting with British Prime Minister Tony Blair and his top advisers that said the Bush administration had decided to go to war and molded intelligence findings to support that decision.


In that time, Sheehan, 48, a soft-spoken woman who says she was radicalized by her son's death, has engaged in her fair share of inflammatory rhetoric.


"It's obvious Cindy Sheehan has become a political player, whose primary concern is embarrassing the president," Fox Television personality Bill O'Reilly wrote Tuesday in an online column. "She is no longer just a protester."


Bush, Sheehan said, lied to the American people about the war and should be impeached. She is refusing to pay taxes in hopes that the Internal Revenue Service will come after her to collect. "I'm not supporting a government that wages an illegal, immoral war," she said. "I want them to come after me, so I can put the war on trial."


Still, she said some of the statements attributed to her are distortions. Contrary to a letter attributed to her that is circulating widely on the Internet, she asserts that she has never said that the United States is waging the war in Iraq to protect Israel.


"I have said a lot of strong things, and I'll stand by everything I said," Sheehan said, adding that she thought the document had been altered. "But I didn't say that."


The scrutiny that has accompanied Sheehan's quick rise to prominence has extended to her family. Several in-laws have publicly criticized her protest -- announcing their displeasure in a release to the Drudge Report. News that Sheehan's husband, Patrick, has filed for divorce has been trumpeted by some bloggers as evidence of her extreme views.

Sheehan acknowledges that some of her views are becoming a distraction. Also, she said, some groups that have aided her protest have agendas -- including conspiracy theories about the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, and some vaguely anti-Semitic theories about the cause of the war -- that she says she does not share.

Consequently, she has asked that her campsite near Bush's ranch be restricted only to organizations of military families, or those who have lost loved ones in the war.







"

"Attention got focused on the messenger and not the message," Sheehan said. "My thing is ending the war in Iraq. But there are a lot of people who want to attach their horse to my wagon, because of the exposure I'm getting."


The increased scrutiny of Sheehan is coming as some residents here are growing irritated with the stream of antiwar protesters drawn to her vigil.


On Tuesday, a spokeswoman for Sheehan announced plans to move the camp from the drainage ditches next to the winding road about two miles from Bush's 1,600-acre spread to a field on a ranch offered by one of Bush's neighbors. The new camp would be about a mile from the president's ranch. All that would be left behind at the original site would be three tents and hundreds of white wooden crosses bearing the names of troops killed in Iraq.


The move followed complaints by about 60 of Bush's neighbors, who petitioned McLennan County officials to expand a no-parking zone around the camp, in an effort to avert the traffic tie-ups that have become commonplace as the protest has grown. Also, Monday night a truck dragging chains and a pipe demolished some crosses; the driver, Larry Northern, 46, of Waco, Tex., was charged with criminal mischief.


Sheehan has promised to remain encamped throughout Bush's five-week stay here and to return whenever the president does. She also announced plans for a series of nearly 1,000 candlelight vigils Wednesday night across the country. Liberal advocacy groups MoveOn.org Political Action and Democracy for America are organizing the protests.


"All of this other BS just clouds my message," Sheehan said. "My message is that of a brokenhearted mom sitting down in front of George Bush's ranch, wanting to know why my son died."


I'm feeling safer and securer. I don't know about you...JOKE! --NM
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Ever get the feeling this is a proxy war between Bush and Iran?

Bush sent weapons to Israel.  Iran sent weapons to Hezbollah.  Bush must have figured that Americans wouldn't tolerate any more of his wars, so we're fighting Iran through Hezbollah via Israel.  Reminds me of a chess game.  I think this is the fault of Papa Bush.  He should have given Georgie more GI Joes to play with as a kid.


Now that there is an agreed cease fire, Israel is stepping up the offensive.  (Any surprises here?)  I wonder how many more innocent people they will kill in Lebanon - including Christians - and how much more of Lebanon's infrastructure they will destroy before they finally cease their fire.


I have a feeling that Ditzy is emptyjoy from last night?
for some reason Ditzel sounds a lot like mtjoy... just saying nothing but insults
I have the same feeling. I hear the background noise already nm
nm
What about feeling the baby move inside your body? sm
So the baby I felt moving in my tummy at 20 weeks gestation wasn't alive?
See message about spelling and superiority feeling inside sm
I do feel superior now when it comes to spelling and grammatical skills Shelly/Kendra. I also feel superior that my candidate won, while all along you two were saying he wouldn't. I feel very smart, very smart indeed. Good night MTs.
Your mistaking feeling duped/foolish with hatred
They are two totally different things. I really really really do not hate the guy. I voted for him in the primaries. We were on the phone battling with our families cos they were for Clinton and we were trying to tell them about the Os plans, issues, etc.

We like that the O is a nice looking man, has a nice looking family, has a good strong voice when giving speeches, is physically fit (minus his smoking and possible cancer that lies ahead for him) and especially glad he will not be throwing any "rodeos" for foreign diplomats that come to our country.

However, once he was elected over Clinton the truth started coming out and we felt like quite the fools for buying into his lies. And now his lies are just blatantly out there and he doesn't care if people know he's lying. Our only ignorance was blindly buying into his bull without doing more research on him. The O worshippers/lovers who are cutting down people who have any question about his acquantances, history, citizenship, etc are the ones who are showing their true ignorance. My DH tells me all the time read everything and do not count on one source for information. They have an agenda. Knowledge is what will free the mind.
I think BB has a point here in that the main point on the board is political discussion, and let'
face it, there is SO MUCH going on right now, changes, problems, disasters, and so much debate on what should/could be done, but so many tims the political discussion disintegrates in a finger-pointing, name-calling exercise, spouting religion all over the place. Yeah, our spiritual beliefs are dearly held and we would all strive to be the best we can be, and do whatever we can whatever the ideology is, but sometimes I wonder, since we have a board EXPRESSLY for Faith isuues, where relgious debates/discussions/forums, etc are welcome, why does THIS board have to be turned into RELIGION BOARD PART II, especially if one ideology wants to dominate or ridicule/condemn those who come on here for lively inteligent discussion, debate of issues in Congress and in our lives, and just want their beliefs held separately? CNN is not EWTN or any other Christian network, and there are constant informative, bright, lively, balanced discussions from all over the political spectrum on the credentialed news stations, as well as C-Span, but they are not constantly hiding behind a cross, rosary, bible, star of David, or whatever....can we not strive to do the same and put religious debate on the Faith board?? Just a thought to ponder, MHO, it might work beter, who knows?
Because you posted on the Main board not Politics board.
It was removed, as we do not have an option of moving from Main to Politics.

This could have easily been avoided had you posted on the correct board.

The response from another poster to not post political viewpoints on this board was becuase you posted it on the Main board.
I get your point, but my main point is -
why should the government be allowed to tell people what they can and can't eat? Everyone says the government is too involved in our business anyway, so if they should stay out of one part of our lives, they should stay out of all parts of our lives!