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No, he's not Lincoln...(sm)

Posted By: Just the big bad on 2008-11-18
In Reply to: He's no Lincoln - Kaydie

However, he does seem to be influenced by Lincoln's approach to government--the same argument that pubs made that he was influenced by Ayers.


He's doing whatever Emmanuel says?  I think I'll wait for some proof of that.




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O reads Lincoln. O admires Lincoln.
O identifies with Lincoln (a Republican, I might add). O refers to Lincoln. O researches Lincoln. O appreciates Lincoln. O values Lincoln. O respects Lincoln. O holds Lincoln in high regard.

Nobody said O was Lincoln, but because of the affinity he has for Lincoln, it is very likely you will hear O linked with Lincoln hundreds and hudreds of times more. O. Lincoln. Get used to it.
He's no Lincoln
Getting sick of people interjecting Lincoln's name as though it will convince people that Obama is like Lincoln. He is NO Lincoln. Far from it.

Second Rahm Emanuel is advising the O and the O is doing what Emanuel says.
Then they should try Lincoln, too.
For approving Sherman's march to the sea.

Honestly, BB, are you getting all your news via msnbc suppositories these days?
Rembering A. Lincoln s/m

This might be a good time to do some research on the Civil War and it's causes.  It actually started years before the war.  The agricultural South demanded cheap labor (sound familiar?) and the more industrialized North trampled States rights (sound familiar???)  Members of Congress whupped up on each other (Republicans vs. Democrats???)  Eomotions ran high (sound familiar?????).   End result:  The saddest war of all time with brother fighting against brother, father against son. 


My G-Grandfather died on the battlefield where the December re-enactment takes place, one of some 2700 soldiers on both sides to die.  Family stories handed down tell that my G-Grandmother and other women would carry food to the soldiers in the evening when they stopped fighting and the Union and Confederate soldiers would talk and exchange tobacco together.  The Civil War was not entirely about slavery.


Do we see history about to repeat itself?  I think it is a serious possibility.  We had all better stop fighting about Republican/Democrat and get to the issues.  No one is talking in this election about serious issues...like illegal immigration and its impact on jobs and the economy. 


To the poster below with whom I have been talking about good ole Southern food, our menu will be pinto beans, johnny cakes and dried apple cobbler, prepared in cast iron pots, way better than the maggot-infested salt pork and hard-tack the soldiers ate as food was in very short supply.  There will be other food vendors preparing more modern fare.


Well there is always the Lincoln bedroom....
LOL. Bill and Hill rented that one out for campaign contributions. LOL. Sigh.
You could start by considering Lincoln's
and take it from there. Keep in mind, Lincoln was republican. IMHO, Obama could do worse when it comes to mentors.
I can hardly think of a poor man who ever ran for president. Lincoln maybe.
My Republican values are just as strong as they ever were.  But I have been disappointed in President Bush at times.  I will stick with him though.  But not without question.
Lincoln and civil rights

Although you are correct that Lincoln was a Republican, in those days, Republican was not what it is today, nor Democrat, no Tory nor Whig, etc. How could it be, the times they have-a-changed. He called himself a Democrat many times during his career and was extremely anti-slavery but did not fall in with the abolitionists. What with Republicans, Democrats, Whigs, Jacobins, etc. it would be really difficult to say one party abolished slavery.People from all sides supported and opposed it. Lincoln just happened to be president and the **War of Northern Aggression** quelled those who had seceded.


 Lincoln was very anti-war, did not like the idea at all so the civil war was distasteful to say the least. He did, however, have no problem enlisting and personally fighting in the European versus Sac Indians war which makes him not my most favorite president...but then, everyone makes mistakes. He did that in his younger years.


The civil rights act I have always believed rests with LBJ. He is not my favorite either. In fact, I did not like him much at all, but he did, in his predecessor's memory, carry the civil rights act to fruition. I remember him saying on the day that he signed it, the south is lost to Democrats as of this day. Here is a link of the timeline. It is pretty straightforward, comes from LBJ for kids site so it is not overly lengthy or boring.


http://www.lbjlib.utexas.edu/johnson/lbjforkids/civil_timeline.shtm


omg. Lincoln and roosevelt. Nuff said. nm
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There's a special on PBS tonight about Lincoln

The author stated Lincoln suspended the right of habeus corpus and the constitution to justify his causes....so maybe this is why O is following along those lines.


Hope it's not on late. I can't stay awake past 8:30 anymore.


 


A message from Abraham Lincoln-1863

Abraham Lincoln's Thanksgiving Proclamation


(1863)






The year that is drawing towards its close, has been filled with the blessings of fruitful fields and healthful skies. To these bounties, which are so constantly enjoyed that we are prone to forget the source from which they come, others have been added, which are of so extraordinary a nature, that they cannot fail to penetrate and soften even the heart which is habitually insensible to the ever watchful providence of Almighty God. In the midst of a civil war of unequalled magnitude and severity, which has sometimes seemed to foreign States to invite and to provoke their aggression, peace has been preserved with all nations, order has been maintained, the laws have been respected and obeyed, and harmony has prevailed everywhere except in the theatre of military conflict; while that theatre has been greatly contracted by the advancing armies and navies of the Union. Needful diversions of wealth and of strength from the fields of peaceful industry to the national defence, have not arrested the plough, the shuttle, or the ship; the axe had enlarged the borders of our settlements, and the mines, as well of iron and coal as of the precious metals, have yielded even more abundantly than heretofore. Population has steadily increased, notwithstanding the waste that has been made in the camp, the siege and the battle-field; and the country, rejoicing in the consciousness of augmented strength and vigor, is permitted to expect continuance of years, with large increase of freedom.

No human counsel hath devised nor hath any mortal hand worked out these great things. They are the gracious gifts of the Most High God, who, while dealing with us in anger for our sins, hath nevertheless remembered mercy.

It has seemed to me fit and proper that they should be solemnly, reverently and gratefully acknowledged as with one heart and voice by the whole American people. I do therefore invite my fellow citizens in every part of the United States, and also those who are at sea and those who are sojourning in foreign lands, to set apart and observe the last Thursday of November next, as a day of Thanksgiving and Praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the Heavens. And I recommend to them that while offering up the ascriptions justly due to Him for such singular deliverances and blessings, they do also, with humble penitence for our national perverseness and disobedience, commend to his tender care all those who have become widows, orphans, mourners or sufferers in the lamentable civil strife in which we are unavoidably engaged, and fervently implore the interposition of the Almighty Hand to heal the wounds of the nation and to restore it as soon as may be consistent with the Divine purposes to the full enjoyment of peace, harmony, tranquillity and Union.

In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand, and caused the seal of the United States to be affixed.

Done at the city of Washington, this third day of October, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, and of the independence of the United States the eighty-eighth.


By The President: Abraham Lincoln

William H. Seward, Secretary of State



On 2/16 on history channel a program about Lincoln
Think its called Stealing Lincolns body. Looks interesting.

I'll be sure to watch this one tonight. I saw it advertised the other night when I was watching Sense and Sensibility.
Reality: Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley, Kennedy,
Truman, Nixon x2, Ford x2, Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton x2, Wx3....all targets of assassination, 4 successful....not to mention RFK, MLK, Medgar Evers, etc.

Assassinations happen. I have seen 17 of them in my own lifetime. Of the 17, at least 8 of them were directly related to hate speech. What is REALLY frustrating is to witness the same tired cycle play itself out over and over and over again and have people attempt to extract the hate speech out of the equation. Intentional or not, it was there during this campaign out of the mouths of McCain and Palin, their campaign staff and their followers. To deny this is insane and indicates to me that the value of human life for some is very tenuous and equivocal.