Oops, sorry, should state posting.

• Rahm Emanuel wants forced civil service - Kaydie
  • Rahm Emanuel is not the president-elect....(sm) - Just the big bad
    • I saw that Rahm said he does not agree with Obama on some subjects - but - Amanda
      • Nice cover - but you know what the COS's job is, right? - Harbinger
    • He's no Lincoln - Kaydie
      • Saw on the news today that - sm
        • And a leader who is actually not intimidated when - questioned about what he reads. nm
      • No, he's not Lincoln...(sm) - Just the big bad
      • O reads Lincoln. O admires Lincoln. - O emulates Lincoln.....sm
        • Perhaps BO should read the following then. - Harbinger
          • What makes you think he hasn't? - nm
            • If he read those words, he apparently doesn't take them to heart. - That's a real shame.
              • Huh? - nm
    • I believe that Rahm Emanuel...sm - m
    • Prepare to grab your ankles then. - Harbinger
      • Do you have the slighted idea - what you are taling about?
        • Slighted Idea? What are you talking about? - Harbinger
          • If it "will not be tolerated in America" why - are you so worked up about it?
            • Here are other countries that think -- - Harbinger
              • I think I would prefer Germany, - Switzerland, Finland,
                • Go for it. - Harbinger
            • how can "mandatory" be a good thing?? - cj
      • Again....(sm) - Just the big bad
        • Is that all you got? - Harbinger
          • Obamatron -- adding that to the list of names I've been called here...LOL (sm) - Just the big bad
            • ROFL - sm
              • Louis Farrakhan is a "conservative media outlet" sm - m
            • Join the club - apparently I'm a 'bible-thumping christianist' lol - Harbinger
              • Religiously politically incorrect? (sm) - Just the big bad
                • Settle down - I was just poking fun at your remark. - Harbinger
                  • Sorry about that...(sm) - Just the big bad
                    • A very happy Thanksgiving to you. :) - Harbinger
      • I sure hope the uniforms look good and are - made in American.
  • Not a credible source - gourdpainter
    • He's not takling about 4H - he's talking about MILITARY TRAINING. - Harbinger
      • Show me a CREDIBLE link - gourdpainter
        • Are you saying that's not Rahm Emanuel? - Harbinger
      • Civil Defense - sm
        • Like containing disorderly citizens? nm - Many people will get confused on this
          • I am sorry you are unable to understand what CD is. - sm
            • Yes, we have had CD, but no it has never been MANDATORY. - Harbinger
              • From a post below in case you missed it. - sm
                • Maybe that's where all the execs and sm - m
              • Alarmist much? - sm
                • Better to bury my head in the sand? - Harbinger
    • Crap. The more I am looking into videos - of O, here is one where he is contradicting.
      • We've BTDT with this subject. - The reference was made to....sm
        • If they want to believe the worst, let them. - Put your energy toward a better cause.
    • Does this help. Homeland security force. - Taking away freedom of speech, section 899A (3)
      • S. 1959 - sm
        • So we do have a bill to try to prevent - homegrown terrorism? But not yet
          • So you think we are going to have a - racial civil war? -nm
            • Why have civil defense. NM - For what reason?
              • From Change.gov - sm
                • Thank you - very much for poasting this. NM
                  • Oops, sorry, should state posting. - I am tired today. NO MESSAGE BELOW
    • I would favor community service. We are talking about military (sm) - Many people will get confused on this
    • Community service and CIVIL service - not the same thing nm - Many people will get confused on this
  • 3 months in barracks for everyone 18-25!!!!!! nm - Land of the Free (no more?)
  • Not forced. Not compulsory. - What's the problem?
    • What part of "you don't have a choice" don't you understand - Kaydie
      • As this has already been discussed - Kim
      • I agree with you and so does most of family. - We just said good-bye to freedom
        • I couldn't agree more - it's very sad - Kaydie
      • Nazi Germany was created during a long cold winter - Lesson in history
        • Sounds like us and more soon when (NM) - GM looses almost 3 million jobs.
    • That is not what we are talking about. - I agree to community service NOT
  • Rahm shouldn't hold his breath. sm - LVMT

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I posted the source of your information.  That is all.  I know that most of us, yourself included, feel it is important to cite sources.

Otherwise no where in my short post did I challenge the veracity of the information you provided.

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Many people were confined against their will just because someone wanted them "out of the way." These were normal people with no mental illness - that is why it is so difficult - don't blame the liberals. Blame your state.

CONFINING THE MENTALLY ILL


In the legal space between what a society should and should not do, taking action to restrict the liberty of people who are mentally ill sits in the grayest of gray areas.

Our notions about civil and constitutional rights flow from an assumption of "normalcy." Step beyond the boundaries and arrest and prison may legally follow. Short of that, government's ability to hold people against their will is severely and properly limited. Unusual behavior on the part of someone who is mentally ill is not illegal behavior. Freedom can't be snatched away on a whim, or on the thought that a person is hard to look at, hard to hear, hard to smell.

It was only a few decades ago that the promise of new medications and a change in attitude opened the doors of the mental hospitals and sent many patients into society. There, they would somehow "normalize" and join everyone else, supported by networks of out-patient facilities, job training, special living arrangements and regular, appropriate medication. But the transition has been imperfect, long and difficult.

In some parts of urban America there is little professional support for those with mental health problems. A new generation of drug and alcohol-fueled mental illness has come on the scene. People frequently end up on the street, un-medicated and exhibiting a full range of behaviors that are discomforting at the very least and threatening at their worst.

Written last Thanksgiving:  "Some would argue that two different nations actually celebrated: upright, moral, traditional red America and the dissolute, liberal blue states clustered on the periphery of the heartland. The truth, however, is much more complicated and interesting than that.

Take two iconic states: Texas and Massachusetts. In some ways, they were the two states competing in the last election. In the world's imagination, you couldn't have two starker opposites. One is the homeplace of Harvard, gay marriage, high taxes, and social permissiveness. The other is Bush country, solidly Republican, traditional, and gun-toting. Massachusetts voted for Kerry over Bush 62 to 37 percent; Texas voted for Bush over Kerry 61 to 38 percent.

So ask yourself a simple question: which state has the highest divorce rate? Marriage was a key issue in the last election, with Massachusetts' gay marriages becoming a symbol of alleged blue state decadence and moral decay. But in actual fact, Massachusetts has the lowest divorce rate in the country at 2.4 divorces per 1,000 inhabitants. Texas - which until recently made private gay sex a criminal offence - has a divorce rate of 4.1. A fluke? Not at all. The states with the highest divorce rates in the U.S. are Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, and Texas. And the states with the lowest divorce rates are: Connecticut, Massachusetts, Maine, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, and Vermont. Every single one of the high divorce rate states went for Bush. Every single one of the low divorce rate states went for Kerry. The Bible Belt divorce rate, in fact, is roughly 50 percent higher than the national average.

Some of this discrepancy can be accounted for by the fact that couples tend to marry younger in the Bible Belt - and many clearly don't have the maturity to know what they're getting into. There's some correlation too between rates of college education and stable marriages, with the Bible Belt lagging a highly educated state like Massachusetts. But the irony still holds. Those parts of America that most fiercely uphold what they believe are traditional values are not those parts where traditional values are healthiest. Hypocrisy? Perhaps. A more insightful explanation is that these socially troubled communities cling onto absolutes in the abstract because they cannot live up to them in practice.

But doesn't being born again help bring down divorce rates? Jesus, after all, was mum on the subject of homosexuality, but was very clear about divorce, declaring it a sin unless adultery was involved. A recent study, however, found no measurable difference in divorce rates between those who are "born again" and those who are not. 29 percent of Baptists have been divorced, compared to 21 percent of Catholics. Moreover, a staggering 23 percent of married born-agains have been divorced twice or more. Teen births? Again, the contrast is striking. In a state like Texas, where the religious right is extremely strong and the rhetoric against teenage sex is gale-force strong, the teen births as a percentage of all births is 16.1 percent. In liberal, secular, gay-friendly Massachusetts, it's 7.4, almost half. Marriage itself is less popular in Texas than in Massachusetts. In Texas, the percent of people unmarried is 32.4 percent; in Massachusetts, it's 26.8 percent. So even with a higher marriage rate, Massachusetts manages a divorce rate almost half of its "conservative" rival.

Or take abortion. America is one of the few Western countries where the legality of abortion is still ferociously disputed. It's a country where the religious right is arguably the strongest single voting bloc, and in which abortion is a constant feature of cultural politics. Compare it to a country like Holland, perhaps the epitome of socially liberal, relativist liberalism. So which country has the highest rate of abortion? It's not even close. America has an abortion rate of 21 abortions per 1,000 women aged between 15 and 44. Holland has a rate of 6.8. Americans, in other words, have three times as many abortions as the Dutch. Remind me again: which country is the most socially conservative?

Even a cursory look at the leading members of the forces of social conservatism in America reveals the same pattern. The top conservative talk-radio host, Rush Limbaugh, has had three divorces and an addiction to pain-killers. The most popular conservative television personality, Bill O'Reilly, just settled a sex harassment suit that indicated a highly active adulterous sex life. Bill Bennett, the guru of the social right, was for many years a gambling addict. Karl Rove's chief outreach manager to conservative Catholics for the last four years, Deal Hudson, also turned out to be a man with a history of sexual harassment. Bob Barr, the conservative Georgian congressman who wrote the "Defense of Marriage Act," has had three wives so far. The states which register the highest ratings for the hot new television show, "Desperate Housewives," are all Bush-states.

The complicated truth is that America truly is a divided and conflicted country. But it's a grotesque exaggeration to say that the split is geographical, or correlated with blue and red states. Many of America's biggest "sinners" are those most intent on upholding virtue. In fact, it may be partly because they know sin so close-up that they want to prevent its occurrence among others. And some of those states which have the most liberal legal climate - the Northeast and parts of the upper MidWest - are also, in practice, among the most socially conservative. To ascribe all this to "hypocrisy" seems to me too crude an explanation. America is simply a far more complicated and diverse place than crude red and blue divisions can explain.

they are adding police and only in the big cities do they have paid firemen. The rest are volunteers.

I look at it this way: If a state can't stay in the black, then they have to cut spending some place that wouldn't jeopardize the safety of the citizens. Threats of cutting essential services like Barney Fife stated today are unjustified. Cut the non-essential services first.

Our governor talks about cutting back on services, laying off government workers, which I think is a good idea because government is too big anyway, but then he turns around and spends more money on non-essential items. Doesn't make sense.  

I see they also accused you of being me (and/or others) in your more current posts using the ?? moniker.  In reading your posts there, it was obvious you were sincerely looking for debate, and all you did was ask intelligent questions that should have led to an intelligent debate.  Instead it lead to more personal attacks and name calling, without EVER once addressing the ISSUE you were attempting to address.  I'm sorry you were treated so badly there.  You did nothing to deserve their wrath, other than act like a normal respectful human being with valid questions, and they have little tolerance for people like that. 

If you search further down on this board, you'll see where I attempted to debate one of them here well over a month ago.  The person, who I was fooled into believing was sincere about being here to debate, clearly didn't have any responses, though she promised to respond later and never did.  She had the golden opportunity to add something of value and continue the debate process I had begun, but she chose to ignore that and I suppose found more pleasure in insulting others, adding nothing of substance or value to this board, as they constantly do to their own board. 

They constantly accuse liberals on this board of being heinous people, their most favorite accusation seeming to be how hateful we all are, yet I think they honestly don't realize how hateful they come across constantly.  Or maybe they do.  Who knows?

Sorry.  Didn't see that. 

I see that now.  (Not sure what I was thinking when I posted that.)

Like you, when I can afford to give to a charity, I have always chosen to give to the Salvation Army.

sorry 'bout that.........