No they shouldn't - lets talk about prosecution of Clinton
Posted By: just me on 2009-06-15
In Reply to: they should be prosecuted for war crimes - steady eddie
Listening to this reminds me of why I don't talk to my mom about politics. She is ignorant of the facts.
You may not like them and no, they were not perfect but they did what they had to do for the safety of the country.
Unlike what Clinton did during his administration. There is plenty there to prosecute him for.
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I know, lets just talk about....(sm)
Obama's b/c. It's perfectly okay to try to discredit the guy who isn't even in office yet over a bunch of unsubstantiated rumors, but let's not talk about the guy who is in office now who has single-handedly brought this country to it's knees as well as destroyed all credibility of this country on a global scale. Again, Bush is still running new legislation through that will affect us for years to come unless it can be reversed. How about that new agreement with Afghanistan? Yeah, that would be the one that will directly impact our people over there -- not in a positive way. It sounds to me like you have a good case of *out of sight, out of mind.* That's a pity.
Lets talk about the mammas
Who out there has sent a child to Iraq?
Lets talk about the torture of our soldiers by our enemies
Electrocution, beatings, broken bones, etc, etc, oh and their favorite of all times....beheadings.
The witch hunt should end here. What happened, happened. It's done and your god is in their now. I may have not liked what went on in the last administration (reason why I voted them out), but there is no reason to burn Bush/Cheney at the stake. What the other side does is 100 times worse.
Yeah, lets talk about Billo the Clown and not the guy that died in US custody! (sm)
Wow...that's what I call total disregard for others.
Let's talk about the Clinton family hypocrisy on...
law enforcement, and then the Kennedy family hypocrisy on law enforcement...if we are going to talk about ANY family and law enforcement in politics...shall we??
Genocide? Talk about extreme. And Clinton's lies
Yes, it's not a newsflash that ALL politicians lie, Dem and Repub alike, but the guy was busted with his cigar in the ... err, his hand in the cookie jar, yet stood there and lied to everyone. Guess that's okay as long as he's DEMOCRAT. If you think Dems don't lie just as much as Repubs, then you are completely blind. It's just all in whose lies you are more willing to believe, and apparently for you it's Democrat. Please, if you can't admit one other darn thing, you all have to admit that they ALL lie to us. This country is going to hellina handbasket, but the people of the country share some of that blame. The economy is bad, but a lot of people bought houses they couldn't really afford (bad loan companies or not, they had to know), racked up credit card bills they could never pay, and the list goes on. WE share in the blame. The only way any change is going to happen, whether it's Repub or Dem on Nov. 4, is if we all pull up our sleeves and work toward it instead of lashing out at each other based on stupid party lines and making excuses and placing blame for every single thing that happens, even when it's a natural disaster like a hurricane, flood, etc. God help us all if there are a lot of other people that think like you do. You DO realize that while you're blaming Repubs for only believing what they read/see in media and not researching what they believe, a lot of what you say comes straight from the media and isn't even entirely accurate. Do yourself a favor and practice what you preach and do some truly unbiased research, not based in Dem or Repub muddle, before you reply. No hearsay, no op ed piece drivel, no blog spewing, but honest to goodness FACTS. Going to be hard to find when the media is so biased, but it's out there. Something tells me you won't bother because you've already made up your closed mind, as long as it's Republican affiliated, you hate it. That's your idea of being a broad thinker?
Clinton...talk about a rewrite on history...sheesh....
He was a waste of a good president. Ergo, he was an embarrassment, in more ways than one.
Where do you want your break, anyway?
Uhhh. BTDT. What part of burden of proof is on the prosecution
Give it up. Ain't happenin'.
Well lets see
try having a daughter wandering around like a ghost and a 2-year-old grandson wondering where his daddy is. Try having to explain to a 2 yo why daddy is never coming back. Yeah your right, the holidays are not great around here this year as I am sure they are not great for a lot of families who have lost someone in Bush's miserable war. So why dont you and Writer go natter elsewhere and let the grownups talk here.
lets see her
Okay, let's have Mrs. Palin on the interview shows. I want to see her interviewed by Bob Shieffer, Mat Lauer, Andrea Mitchell, George Stephanopoulous, Meet the Press, etc. We saw that she can really deliver a written speech well. I want to hear her personal views on foreign affairs and improving the economy. She has experience in Alaskan news, so I will expect a camera-ready, polished performance.
Lets all say............
Obama doesn't have any experience, executive or foreign!!!! And yet, he's running for President.
At least Palin knows what executive experience is, which is more than Obama has.
Oh lets s/m
We need to lighten up around here. I'll start a thread and then I really have to get busy.
lets not go there
OK I can understand questioning his name given 9/11. But what the heck does it have to do with being black? Can you please tell me? I swear.
okay, lets go with that....(sm)
Let's say for the sake of argument that he is Muslim. With this in mind, he would be going to a christian church, all the while faking having the christian belief. So when Rev. Wright gets up and preaches, I can assume that since Obama is supposedly a Muslim and not a christian, that he would not believe what is being preached. If Obama is not influenced by what is preached in this church, then what's the big deal about Rev Wright and the supposedly big impact he had on Obama? 
You shouldn't take it there...
We shouldn't sit through any but nothing you said...sm
offers up a reason why we invaded Iraq. I expect the usual Sadaam was evil, brutal, murderous, and his sons ... (and all of it is true). So it is a good thing that out of this all we've taken them out, now what is holding us there. Let's face it, these folks are going to have to fight it out one day. The strongest will win, whether we leave today or ten years from now. Right now they have a PM who is a prior islamic extremist (see Lurker's post titled Disturbing) - we should not support that. Can you not see history repeating itself? Did our current leaders not shake hands with Saddaam? Did we not train up bin Laden? The way we are going about things in this war is not going to leave us any safer - if anything less so - the region is now even more incensed with hate than it was under Sadaam's thumb. I think our best chance at survival (though when our time is up, it's up) is protecting our homeland. Of course we need to keep our hands and ears in the Middle East, and definitely retaliate against any attacks on our soil or Embassies. It's the preemptive idea that I can't get down with.
We should never ever sit through a 9/11. If
Sadaam was responsible then by all means go after him and anyone willing to fight for him. What we are doing in Iraq has nothing to do with 9/11. In my mind, they are two issues until it can be proven that Saddam had a hand in the Twin Tower attack.
I was young during the Clinton Admin, so I didn't keep up with foreign affairs as much as I do now and I still do not indulge in them a great deal. But now as I look back I think he did a poor job in retaliating against anti-American attacks.
You shouldn't believe it because it just isn't so.
Believe me, Europeans would absolutely laugh at this.
I know....shouldn't even go there with her...
but it was, as you said...mildy entertaining. lol.
Why shouldn't it go on?
The debate will only take a couple of hours. Nothing is going to get resolved that quickly anyway.
I think what we shouldn't do is just
sit here and watch it go down. That simply isn't fair to the millions of families dependent on the industry and in the long run EVERYBODY suffers from it. I think we need to make them not only make more fuel efficient cars but also more affordable ones. Kill all the tax cuts for imports so we can compete in the market and start working on alternative fuels. I don't think anyone has a complete answer for all this yet, I know I don't, but to just sit here and let it happen is asking for even more disaster.
It shouldn't have to, but . . .
people in general suck and are selfish and have no desire to contribute to their communities, and these are almost always the same people that whine and moan about how they don't want governemnt involved.
It shouldn't have to, but . . .
people in general suck and are selfish and have no desire to contribute to their communities, yet these are almost always the same people that whine and moan about how they don't want government involved.
You shouldn't a-s-s-u-m-e
that because I am not in love with Obama that it means I supported Bush. I for one did not care for Bush at all! I found myself preferring to rub my ears with sandpaper then to listen to his speeches...kinda like I do now, but with Obama!
Then you shouldn't
call yourself a Christian because a Christian finds homosexuality to be sinful and immoral. Me and you worship different Gods, obviously. Mine says homosexuality is an abomination. Love has nothing to do with sodomy.
lets tar and feather them
This lying immoral corrupt administration needs to be tar and feathered and handed over to the families who lost loved ones in this illegal war and occupation of a nonthreatening country. I have lost no one, however, I gotta tell ya, if I had lost someone, I would not be as kind and soft spoken as Cindy Sheehan. I would be hell on wheels.
Just trying to help, sm lets people know there is ...sm
a message inside. If you put nm, no one will open your post because they think there is nothing inside.
lets just wait and see how it
all plays out. As for McCain being incontinent, I did not know that until you said so. That's a shame.
Yes they will see increases when the O lets ...sm
the Bush tax cuts expire in 2010.
Everyone's taxes will go up.
Everyone.
Interesting how the O doesn't bring this fact up at all, like it will have nothing to do with him.
hmm...no you win....lets argue about that instead. nm
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lets get it straight abc
i said "Your can save us" what does that mean? That is what I said. I also said i think you are stalking me or something like that because you bashed me over and over and called me a stalker. I never said anything hateful in that post and never said your spelling sucks. Also, I am done arguing with you and all the people on this board like you. You know the ones that are just looking for a fight. The ones that LOVE to stir the pot and point out everyone's faults but their own. The ones that scream hate and prejudice and all that crap when someone voices an opinion that is slightly different than their own. Have fun tearing each other apart. I will post my beliefs and opinions and ignore the people that get on simply to stir up anger. 
Lets look at the big picture
Seems like each time a president leaves office everyone "hems and haws" at the list of people they pardon (especially those who dislike whatever president is leaving office). Every exiting president has had their list of people who should never have received pardons. Some yes, like first time offenders, people arrested for mairjuana, or caught turning back odometers, etc).
Maybe you should have also posted the list of people Clinton pardoned. All you said was "he pardoned some nice ones too". You make it sound like GW is pardoning hardened criminal while BC only pardoned some people who did petty crimes. Even though you didn't say that, by saying "he pardoned some nice ones too" it takes away from the seriousness of the people he did pardon. But since you didn't post Clinton's pardons I will. Now before anyone throws a fit because I know a lot of you think Clinton is the best thing since sliced bread, I'm just posting to show that he pardoned as many creeps as Bush is. (BTW - I didn't, have never, and do not support Bush - can't stand the guy, but at let's try to keep it honest here). Oh and my favorites are the money launderers, income tax evaders, bank fraud, conspiracy to defraud the government, issuing worthless checks, bank fraud, etc - all those things that helped to start bringing our economy down). Those and Roger Clinton, Marc Rich, and Susan McDougal, I did notice how he pardoned a lot of people who lied, but then again that was Clinton's whole 8 years in office - one lie after another, so doesn't surprise me he pardoned people who lied under oath.
You said something in regards to food stamps...look at #22 on Clintons list - Unauthorized use and transfer of food stamps. I found an interesting article called "10 Heated Presidential Pardons" that goes back to George Washington. I'll post the link. All I'm saying here is that each president throughout our history has pardoned some pretty bad people that should not be pardoned. GW is no different and no more worse than any of the previous. Here's the article - an interesting read.
http://www.kitv.com/presidential-race/17578058/detail.html
Here's the list of Clinton's pardons
[edit] Pardons
- Verla Jean Allen (1990 false statements to an agency of the United States).[4]
- Nicholas M. Altiere (1983 importation of cocaine)
- Bernice Ruth Altschul (1992 money laundering conspiracy)
- Joe Anderson Jr. (1988 income tax evasion)
- William Sterling Anderson (1987 defraudment of a financial institution, false statements to a financial institution, wire fraud)
- Mansour Azizkhani (1984 false statements in bank loan applications)
- Cleveland Victor Babin Jr. (1987 using the U.S. mail service to defraud)
- Chris Harmon Bagley (1989 conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute cocaine)
- Scott Lynn Bane (Unlawful distribution of marijuana)
- Thomas Cleveland Barber (Issuing worthless checks)
- Peggy Ann Bargon (Violation of the Lacey Act, violation of the Bald Eagle Protection Act)
- David Roscoe Blampied (possess with intent to distribute cocaine)
- William Arthur Borders Jr. (Conspiracy to corruptly solicit and accept money in return for influencing the official acts of a federal district court judge (Alcee L. Hastings), and to defraud the United States in connection with the performance of lawful government functions; corruptly influencing, obstructing, impeding and endeavoring to influence, obstruct and impede the due administration of justice, and aiding and abetting therein; traveling interstate with intent to commit bribery)
- Arthur David Borel (Odometer Rollback)
- Douglas Charles Borel (Odometer Rollback)
- George Thomas Brabham (Making a false statement or report to a federally insured bank)
- Almon Glenn Braswell (1983 mail fraud and perjury)
- Leonard Browder (Illegal dispensing of controlled substance and Medicaid fraud)
- David Steven Brown (Securities fraud and mail fraud)
- Delores Caroylene Burleson, aka Delores Cox Burleson (Possession of Marijuana)
- John H. Bustamante (wire fraud)
- Mary Louise Campbell (Unauthorized use and transfer of food stamps)
- Eloida Candelaria (False information in registering to vote)
- Dennis Sobrevinas Capili (Filing false statements in alien registration)
- Donna Denise Chambers (Intent to distribute cocaine)
- Douglas Eugene Chapman (Bank fraud)
- Ronald Keith Chapman (Bank fraud)
- Francisco Larois Chavez (Aiding and abetting illegal entry of aliens)
- Henry Cisneros (former HUD Secretary)
- Roger Clinton, Jr. Cocaine charges(half-brother of President Bill Clinton)[3]
- Stuart Harris Cohn (Illegal sale of commodity options)
- David Marc Cooper (Conspiracy to defraud the government)
- Ernest Harley Cox Jr. (Defraud of federally insured savings and loan)
- John F. Cross Jr. (Embezzlement)
- Rickey Lee Cunningham (Intent to distribute marijuana)
- Richard Anthony DE Labio (Mail fraud)
- John Deutch (former Director of Central Intelligence Agency)
- Richard Douglas (False statements to a government agent)
- Edward Reynolds Downe (Wire fraud, false income tax returns and securities fraud)
- Marvin Dean Dudley (False statements)
- Larry Lee Duncan
- Galen R. Elmore (Convicted of cattle theft)
- Robert Clinton Fain
- Marcos Arcenio Fernandez
- Alvarez Ferrouillet
- Henry O. Flipper - guilty of "conduct unbecoming an officer" (1882)
- William Dennis Fugazy
- Lloyd Reid George
- Louis Goldstein
- Rubye Lee Gordon
- Pincus Green
- Robert Ivey Hamner
- Samuel Price Handley
- Woodie Randolph Handley
- Jay Houston Harmon
- Rick Hendrick
- John Hummingson
- David S. Herdlinger
- Debi Rae Huckleberry
- Warren C. Hultgren Jr.
- Donald Ray James
- Stanley Pruet Jobe
- Ruben H. Johnson
- Linda Jones
- James Howard Lake
- June Louise Lewis
- Salim Bonnor Lewis
- John Leighton Lodwick
- Hildebrando Lopez
- Jose Julio Luaces
- James Timothy Maness
- James Lowell Manning, (1982, aiding and assisting in the preparation of a false corporate income tax return)
- John Robert Martin
- Frank Ayala Martinez
- Silvia Leticia Beltran Martinez
- John Francis McCormick
- Susan H. McDougal
- Howard Mechanic
- Brook K. Mitchell Sr.
- Samuel Loring Morison
- Charles Wilfred Morgan III
- Richard Anthony Nazzaro
- Charlene Ann Nosenko
- Vernon Raymond Obermeier
- Miguelina Ogalde
- David C. Owen
- Robert W. Palmer
- Kelli Anne Perhosky
- Richard H. Pezzopane
- Orville Rex Phillips
- Vinson Stewart Poling Jr.
- James G. Powell
- Norman Lyle Prouse
- Willie H.H. Pruitt Jr.[5]
- Danny Martin Pursley Sr.
- Charles D. Ravenel
- William Clyde Ray
- Alfredo Luna Regalado
- Ildefonso Reynes Ricafort
- Marc Rich
- Howard Winfield Riddle
- Richard Wilson Riley Jr., Cocaine and marijuana charges, His father was Clinton's Education Secretary.[4]
- Samuel Lee Robbins
- Joel Gonzales Rodriguez
- Michael James Rogers
- Anna Louise Ross
- Dan Rostenkowski - Former Democratic Congressman convicted in the Congressional Post Office Scandal
- Gerald Glen Rust
- Jerri Ann Rust
- Bettye June Rutherford
- Gregory Lee Sands
- Adolph Schwimmer
- Albert A. Seretti Jr.
- Patricia Campbell Hearst Shaw
- Dennis Joseph Smith
- Gerald Owen Smith
- Stephen A. Smith
- Jimmie Lee Speake
- Charles Bernard Stewart
- Marlena Francisca Stewart-Rollins
- Fife Symington III - former Arizona governor
- Richard Lee Tannehill
- Nicholas C. Tenaglia
- Gary Allen Thomas
- Larry Weldon Todd
- Olga C. Trevino
- Ignatious Vamvouklis
- Patricia A. Van De Weerd
- Christopher V. Wade
- Bill Wayne Warmath
- Jack Kenneth Watson
- Donna Lynn Webb
- Donald William Wells
- Robert H. Wendt
- Jack L. Williams
- Kavin Arthur Williams
- Robert Michael Williams
- Jimmie Lee Wilson
- Thelma Louise Wingate
- Mitchell Couey Wood
- Warren Stannard Wood
- Dewey Worthey
- Rick Allen Yale
- Joseph A. Yasak
- William Stanley Yingling
- Phillip David Young
- Keith Sanders
- Darren Muci
- John Scott (not a full pardon)
[edit] Commutations
- Ronald Henderson Blackley
- Bert Wayne Bolan
- Gloria Libia Camargo
- Charles F. Campbell
- David Ronald Chandler - federal death row inmate[1].
- Lau Ching Chin
- Donald R. Clark
- Loreta De-Ann Coffman
- Derrick Curry
- Velinda Desalus
- Jacob Elbaum
- Linda Sue Evans
- Loretta Sharon Fish
- Antoinette M. Frink
- David Goldstein
- Gerard A. Greenfield
- Bob F. Griffin, former Speaker of the Missouri House of Representatives, who was serving two years on bribery charges[3]
- Jodie E. Israel
- Kimberly Johnson
- Billy Thornton Langston Jr.
- Belinda Lynn Lumpkin
- Peter MacDonald - Navajo Chairman (sentence for 14 years in 1993 for fraud and racketeering convictions.)
- Kellie Ann Mann
- Peter Ninemire
- Hugh Ricardo Padmore
- Arnold Paul Prosperi Florida attorney, tax fraud. managed Clinton's 1967 campaign for student-council president.[2]
- Melvin J. Reynolds - Democratic Congressman from Illinois - bank fraud and obstruction of justice
- Pedro Miguel Riveiro
- Dorothy Rivers - lead official in Jesse Jackson’s Rainbow/PUSH Coalition, plead guilty to theft of 1.2 million dollars in federal grant money
- Susan Rosenberg
- Kalmen Stern
- Cory Stringfellow
- Carlos Anibal Vignali - convicted of cocaine trafficking
- Thomas Wilson Waddell III
- Harvey Weinig
- Kim Allen Willis
- Kemba Smith
- Antonio Camacho Negron - FALN militant
only if we win LETS HOPE
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lets describe you
You are the most intelligent man on the face of the earth. No one understands your amazing gifts. No one gets your subtle humor. And yet, here you sit, wasting your intellect on a bunch of young women. Maybe you need to grow up and seek out your own kind.
There is no need to ban them. If we do, lets add - see message
Lets add to the list Keith Olberman, Chris Matthews, Rachel Maddow, David Shuster, Wolf Blitzer, Anderson Cooper, Alan Colmes (you already said Hannity), Thom Hartmann, Joy Behr, and a whole slew of others who spew their hate.
I may think these above mentioned names are nothing but hate-spewing propaganda pushers, but others out their enjoy listening to them. There is no reason to ban any reporter/radio/talk show host. This is America and this is supposed to be land of the free, not "Land of lets only let liberals say what they want and shut down everyone else whom I don't agree with".
As for Michael Savage. He's great. He tells it like it is. He is neither a republican or democrat and has gone after both political parties. Also there is nothing wrong with O'Reilly. He has guests from both sides on, and actually lately I've been watching him and he is tending to lean more to the left, although he calls himself an independent. He is defending Obama on a lot of issues I don't agree with. But he's entitled to his opinion and I have mine.
I don't know what Savage did to have him banned from great brittain, but there is no reason to ban him or any other talk show/radio personality from the US. Especially when they are doing nothing to deserve being banned. They do that in socialist countries, and as fast as the current admin is trying to turn the US into a socialist country as far as I know we still have our freedoms of speech - as long as it isn't inciting hate and fear - in which I'm surprised Olberman, Cooper, Mathews, and Maddow have not been banned yet for.
No I shouldn't have. I was describing me, not you. SM
Yes, but the government shouldn't be
encouraging companies to outsource either. Our country has way messed up priorities when the only people making big bucks are entertainers and greedy CEOs. Meanwhile, we've got unemployed people and poverty. Hey, let's send our money, our technology and our private data to a country that HATES us.
So it shouldn't be allowed
because everyone might suddenly become gay and there would be no offspring? How about artificial insemination? This is a new one on me!
Shouldn't your pen name be "ROBOT"?
Sorry you couldn't do better......shouldn't have
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It shouldn't be about race
But for a lot of people it is. I won't vote for him, but race has nothing to do with it. Interestingly, my 79-year-old aunt thinks we should vote FOR him because of race. She says "Oh, we owe it to them."
Interesting too, I think Obama's commercials have been playing the race card recently - the white one. All of his recent commercials in my area have shown him with his mom and grandparents in cozy home-spun settings.
They should hate this shouldn't they?
nm
shouldn't have said illegal, but
does all that make you think this election is going to be legitimate? Why, oh why can't people just do things straight up and let the people really be heard. I am sick of the whole thing, and honestly do not believe it really matters who wins either way... they are all politicians
I"m hearing it and why shouldn't they
get money for a bailout? Wall Street and the banks did, but WS and the banks are HOLDING ONTO the money for BONUSES, not to bail themselves out. GM and Chryler need it to KEEP JOBS.
The bailout was wrong in the first place because everyone would want money, but that's the only thing they could come up with at the time. What's done is done but I don't think we ought to keep throwing money out there. NP and Barney Fife are too free with money that's not theirs and they should be thrown out of office.
Shouldn't you be concerned about where
all those millions given to Louisiana to rebuild went to? They went to state park projects in the northern part of the state and then LA governor lost track of where the other millions went to.........
If you're so worried about the residents of NO and want to blame the government for all their woes, maybe you should ask why Mayor Negan had the casinos going full blast the day before the hurricane was due to hit? Why wasn't he getting all his federall funded citizens out of NO? Louisiana has always been a state of corruption much like Illinois and until their citizens demand better, they won't get it! On second thought, with so many criminals ran out of New Orleans, maybe it would be a better place to live!!!! They're probably all back by now though, robbing, stealing, and murdering those those who actually do work for a living....
Shouldn't you have considered all that BEFORE you
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We shouldn't nuke them.
Sheesh...that would be stupid. Once we nuke them, everyone will pull out the nukes and you can kiss our planet good bye. You won't have to worry about co2 emission and going green then.
What should happen is that the UN grow some balls and actually stand up to bullies like this instead of cowering back like they have always done.
What does this tell you about quacks that run other countries? Threatening to nuke us unless we apologize? And you are worried about us waterboarding. Give me a break!!! These are also the psycho freaks Obama wants to have tea and crumpets with to discuss things. What a joke! Good luck with that one Barry.
If the UN apologizes, that gives N. Korea some control and that is what they are wanting. N. Korea is all about making threats to make them look big and bad anyway. We should definitely keep a close eye on them, but we shouldn't bust down the door yet. I personally feel other countries need to step up and carry the big stick for a while. Not only can we not afford another war, but we don't have enough military numbers to do it either. Why can't other countries grow some balls and actually stand up to bullies like this? They always make us do it and then they complain about us. Like the French.....wouldn't they be speaking German if we didn't put our nose in their business and help them?
This man shouldn't be preaching to anyone.
Rev. Wright Says 'Them Jews' Won't Let Obama Talk to Him
The Rev. Jeremiah Wright says he doesn't have any regrets over his severed relationship with President Obama.
FOXNews.com
Wednesday, June 10, 2009
In a racially charged interview, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright said that President Obama hasn't spoken to him since they parted ways last year, because "them Jews aren't going to let him talk to me."
He suggested White House advisers were keeping the two separate.
"Them Jews aren't going to let him talk to me. I told my baby daughter, that he'll talk to me in five years when he's a lame duck, or in eight years when he's out of office," Wright said, according to Virginia's Daily Press. "They will not let him ... talk to somebody who calls a spade what it is."
Obama left Wright's Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago last year following the very public controversy over his inflammatory sermons.
Wright sporadically has granted media interviews and made public appearances since. In the Daily Press article, he also claimed that the president did not send a delegation to the recent world racism conference in Geneva for fear of offending Jews.
"Ethnic cleansing is going on in Gaza. Ethnic cleansing of the Zionist is a sin and a crime against humanity, and they don't want Barack talking like that because that's anti-Israel," Wright said.
Wright said he voted for Obama in November and has no regrets over their severed relationship.
"Regret for what ... that the media went back five, seven, 10 years and spent $4,000 buying 20 years worth of sermons to hear what I've been preaching for 20 years?" he said.
Yes, but lets just keep the facts straight. NM
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lets debate, not attack
Do I, really? I only attack when I am attacked and anyone looking over the posts, archives and all, will see that..Post something to debate and I will debate, however, dont start throwing insults during the debate if it isnt going your way..which has happened..I can remember a debate on Global Warming..We debated, as soon as it was looking good towards my opinion, I was told I knew nothing, I was stupid, etc..You want a debate..lets do it..I belonged to the debate club of my college, I love debates..Come on..introduce something to debate on and I will debate you, as I bet so will other liberals..Lets debate and stop attacking..attacks gets us no where, debates just might open a few eyes..
Lets take care of those kids already here
Some have such loud voices when trying to stop a woman from chosing what decisions to make about HER body but, yet, you hear nothing from these same people when it is shown there is so much child abuse, children living with drug and alcohol addicted parents, children living in poverty, not getting a good education, not getting the immunizations they need, not getting health care, on and on. Lets take care of those already on this earth..
Lets bash the pastor.
According to dictionary.com, the meanings of the N-word are “deeply disparaging and are used when the speaker deliberately wishes to cause great offense.” They go on to say, conversely, “it is sometimes used among African-Americans in a neutral or familiar way.” Since he whispered the statement behind what he thought was a cold microphone, it is highly unlikely that Rev. Jackson intended to cause great offense and his use of the word probably falls into the latter category of usage.
For example, the N-word can become much less offensive and even assume neutrality within historical discourse, literature, poetry, cinema theater and the like. One could further argue that within certain contexts (i.e. rap music, conversations within the black households, neighborhoods and businesses, to name a few) connotations of the word can be construed so as to convey a sense of community…even a brotherhood, of sorts. Language is fluid, dynamic and vital in its nature, not static or one-dimensional. Context, message, intent, environment, speaker and audience all impact the ultimate nuance of meaning in all forms of communication.
I agree with you and take deep offense at the use of the N-word, regardless of who says it. However, I would like to comment on some of the other points you raised in your post. A careful read of the actual statement shows that Rev. Jackson did not use this epithet to personally attack Obama. Rather, he was referring to the black population as a whole. Granted, his choice of words was extremely poor (at least from a white perspective), but the statement was not meant for public scrutiny. It was spoken from one black individual to another, much the same was that Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s statements were made from black preacher to black congregation.
As a white person, I do not believe I can sit in judgment one way or another regarding his choice of words when taken completely out of context, in the same way I am not qualified to criticize the sermons of Rev. Wright. I would like to think that I am intelligent enough to understand that, having lived in the US as a white person both before and after the civil right eras (1948 to present), I have not experienced life in America the same way black people have. They are entitled to their own “take” on their own lives. Who am I to tell them how to “tell it like it is?”
One last point. I am sure that much flap and bruhah will ensue over this unfortunate news. However, the very fact that Rev. Sharpton, you, I, the media and countless others will be having this debate over our outrage and dismay is a testament as to just how effective Rev Jackson and other early leaders in the civil rights movement were in defining the key issues, defying status quo of his times, enlisting support for the cause, effectively engaging his opposition in ongoing bipartisan initiatives over nearly 4 decades and producing fruitful, far-reaching and substantial bodies of legislation from which today’s black community continue to reap bountiful benefits and blessings. They weathered storms of protests, incarceration, series after series of setbacks and reversals, and buckets of bloodshed in their efforts to secure the civil liberties and rights that reach far beyond the black community to encompass other forms of discrimination against women, gays, immigrants and the poor, to name a few…all so casually taken for granted and so easily dismissed in the blink of an eye with one ill-chosen, unfortunate slip of the tongue.
For those of us whose memories reach further back than the latest round of CNN sound bytes and chat room chatter, we probably would forgive Obama should he decide not to denounce Rev Jackson’s support, nor would we feel driven to force him to abandon his own pastor of 20 years for the sake of our own righteous indignation.
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