Around the world 150 at least countries engage in torrture and it is
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In Reply to: Granted, noone wants to see stuff like that, but...(sm) - Just the big bad
kept more or less secret. Only if the human rights groups interfere it gets publicized.
'Under U.S. law, the War Crimes Act of 1996 makes it a federal crime to violate certain provisions of the Geneva Conventions. The Act punishes any American, military or civilian, who commits a "grave breach" of the Geneva Conventions. A grave breach, as defined by the Geneva Conventions, includes the deliberate "killing, torture or inhuman treatment" of detainees. Violations of the War Crimes Act that result in death carry the death penalty.'
Read what the Vatican says about the torture in
Abu Ghraib...
“ The torture? A more serious blow to the United States than September 11, 2001 attacks. Except that the blow was not inflicted by terrorists but by Americans against themselves.'
— Archbishop Giovanni Lajolo, foreign minister of the Vatican.'
In Abu Ghraib 99 percent of the prisoners were innocent and were tortured and many killed.
As retaliation there was a wave of beheadings after the torture pictures of the Abu Ghraib inmates were made public.
Why publish more pictures? To endanger the troops in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan even more? No.
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As are 3rd World countries, because Dubya
THAT's where the outrage belongs.
Poor women in 3rd world countries shouldn't live
baby that they dont want, and cannot afford to feed. Making birth control (which is a large part of what the funding is all about, it's not all about abortions), will improve the quality of life for millions of people, as well as the slow down the biggest environmental disaster the Earth faces - the overpopulation of the human species.
But, the war on terror concerns all countries. Other countries
acknowledge the war on terror as concerning the world, so it is essentially a World War.
O is not going to engage in torture. He does not
believe in torture.
Bush's and Cheney's way DID NOT WORK.
How can you say that I am naive, maybe you are. Who knows?
Time will tell.
I can only pray, hope and wish that O will be successful in protecting and promoting the United States of America.
Typical when somebody tries to engage you in debate
you show them the door like you are the princess of this palace or something.
You haven't tried to engage in a debate.
All you've done is attack. We don't care for that low class type of behavior on this board. We want this to be a friendly, respectful place, but you and all the others from the CON board (assuming there actually are different people and not just difference voices in someone's head), can't stand respectful. You can't stand friendly. You're not happy unless you're intruding on someone else's space and bullying them.
You're just very distasteful people, and you have your own board. Please take your dumps over there. It's really starting to reek over here. <PHEW!>
Oh and you didn't engage in any McCain...
bashing did you? Not like you to be so hypocritical. Obama himself is why I will be easily voting a straight Republican ticket for the first time in my life. Not a thing any of you "dems" had to say. ALL him. Sure not going to blame it on anonymous posters on a posting board...lol.
Funny how you say good night everyone...and then bash "pubs" in your parting shot.
lol.
Don't waste your energy trying to engage
I don't argue with brick walls.
Before opening mouth - engage brain.
You're calling Palin an "under-educated butt?"
And your great accompishment is that you know how to type on a message board? What a maroon!
Please feel free to exit the country when McCain/Palin win. You and your tiny little mind will not be missed.
North Korea: Engage, Appease, Oppose
A little bit of history on North Korea and the dilemma. Read the rest of the article from the link below.
"So it's another step backwards again with North Korea.
In defiance of a Security Council resolution (1718) passed after its first nuclear test in 2006, it has now announced a second. It has also implied that it has solved some at least of the problems it encountered in the first.
The actual technical achievement remains to be examined. But the test itself represents a continued belligerency whose destination is unknown. "
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8066719.stm
I say they are going to other countries because ---
they get an incentive to go to the other countries,not because they are taxed too much - take away that incentive and see how many of them give the jobs back to us Americans!
And on $250,000 a year, I do not think that an extra $7500 is going to break the business - they will just find that many more deductions to lower their tax obligations.
Here are other countries that think --
Here are some of the other countries that think mandatory civil service is a good thing.
Which one of these countries would you like to live in? Or send your children to?
People's Republic of China
Albania
Colombia
Cyprus
Iran
South Korea
Russia
Serbia
Singapore
Turkey
Ukraine
So, because some other countries.....(sm)
have worse torture methods....that makes it okay for us to torture? Yeah....that almost made sense. So much for morality, holding ourselves to higher standards, being civilized....but hey, we're Americans, so it must be okay for US to do it.
Communist, socialist, fascist? No.....more like honest and a realist. I love my country, but I am not so blinded by patriotism that I can't see our faults.
What other industrial countries would that be? sm
England had an immediate revolt as did France when they realized how their economy would be affected. This is no argument. Japan has reported it cannot meet the guideline deadlines. In fact, nearly every country who signed (in a wise move, Russia did not) is having a major problem this. This is a giant pink elephant. The United States and the Bush administration continue to draw criticism for its refusal to ratify. President Bush refused to ratify the Protocol in 2001, claiming that it would hurt the U. S. economy, costing $400 billion and over 4.9 million jobs. This agreement is grossly unfair because it exempts 80% of the world, including developing countries like China and India. Tell me the good part of this.
Finding a way to GET ALONG WITH other countries would
!
The problem with that is now most countries
think of us as the bully. Now we can say we don't care what anyone else thinks, but we should. We need to. Preemptive is a sure way to make more Americans suffer. I am certainly not suggesting we sit and do nothing when we are attacked, but let's go after the people that came after us. That wasn't Iraq until after Saddam was out, AL Qaeda started in. Let's be real, the only reason we went there to begin with was for oil.
I too agree that we need both some drilling and a lot of work on new energy sources, new ideas, etc. We also need people to be more responsible. No, I don't call myself naive for saying that. Everyone needs to do their part.
Let's also be realistic, no candidate is going to do what they promises with spending until they get in there and start crunching numbers. They can promise whatever they want, but when the time comes it most likely won't happen. They can want to do a lot, but that doesn't mean they'll be able to. McCain's plan is not great either - we already have Greenspan saying that we cannot afford it.
well you mentioned those countries
in reference to our new socialist societies and you brought up the revolution, so ...
Other countries are 100% for Obama
It's very worrisome to think about that. I saw cover pages on a couple of papers in the news where they're saying nex to to Obama's picture "I am the one," in another one "The Messiah."
Other countries are not so crazy about him
I mentioned in another post that a lot of other countries do NOT want him to be the president. People in other countries are describing concerns as he says he is going to change the world and they like their countries just the way they are. The only countries that do want him as our president are our enemies.
Has to make you think about that one.
Do you know why other countries support O?
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Return them to their own countries......... sm
if they must be released at all. The left is screaming that we should not interfer with other countries' governments, that we should not force our democratic way of life on them. They certainly were not concerned in the least with our own citizens' human rights when they flew planes into the towers and the Pentagon and in a field in PA.
I say, if they must be released, release them to their own country where they can receive a trial according on their own laws.
But not all countries welcome the US' interference..nm
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The "other countries" as you say are
taking in the "safe" detainees...the ones that charges were dropped, etc. What is left will be the dangerous ones and guess who's country is going to be stuck with them?
O better get a good plan for the dangerous ones and he better NOT bring them into our country. I don't care what anyone says, they don't deserve to be in our country and having the same rights as citizens at trial.
List of countries we have bombed
Here are the countries we bombed between WWII and 1999:
China
Korea
China
Guatemala
Indonesia
Cuba
Guatemala
Vietnam
Congo
Laos
Peru
Guatemala
Cambodia
El Salvador
Nicaragua
Grenada
Libya
Panama
Iraq
Bosnia
Sudan
Afghanistan
Yugoslavia
There are atrocities in lots of countries
and nobody seems to give a dam@. We are only interested in countries that have something we want.
Please notice countries in the EU maintain
as sovereign nations, each with their own cultures, languages, laws, etc. The idea is to identify common interests and to unite under certain criteria for the betterment of the region AND of each member state. It is sort of similar to the concept of the United States, only it is a union of separate nations with overarcing federal republic standards which each member nation strives to meet.
These are the 16 countries in the Middle East...s/m
Countries in the Middle East, they are all Arab
States, except Israel and Iran.
Bahrain
Gaza Strip
Iran
Iraq
Israel
Jordan
Kuwait
Lebanon
Oman
Qatar
Saudi Arabia
Syria
United Arab Emirates
West Bank
Yemen
People are so ignorant! Other countries with
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No other leaders of other countries bowed
At least none that I'm finding. I could be wrong but I've been searching to see if other world leaders like France, PM Gordon Brown, Swiss, or any other leaders that attended the summit if they bowed. I'm not finding anything. Only the One.
U. healthcare IS a disaster in other countries.
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other countries started to takie in Gitmos and to you I say also
blah, blah, blah. Heard that already lots of times.
You bet that Obama will be able to work out a plan for all the Gitmos because HE IS SMART and POPULAR with dems AND FOREIGN LEADERS, who are more than ready to SUPPORT Obama!
Contrary to the Republicans who are just lurking and hoping for his DOWNFALL.
God bless Obama !
Yep, and now other countries can see how most Americans can be fooled by their media, etc - nm
Sorry, JTBB, other countries use worse torture than what was stated here.
They starve, cut off fingers, hands, pull nails out, burn private parts, and decapitate prisoners in other countries. Why do you call other people with their comments "nimrods?"
If you want to torture to stop, why don't you go to those countries and fight against their torture? No...you'd rather call the American people nimrods. What is it with you? You used to have thoughtful posts, but now all you do is spew hate for Americans that do not support your views.
You are becoming anti-American IMHO and its sad that you could let the present government blind you to everything. You're either a socialist, facist, or a communist without announcing it up front. You have absolutely made me furious with your one-sided posts since the election. I try not to read them, but sometimes I do get a good laugh at your outrageous statements.
What in the world are you
talking about ??? Oh, wait, I get it. The writer above said his mother said If Roe v. Wade is overturned, that's it for me. Out of that entire article that one sentence is what jumped out at you??? Our country is in a really really big mess both domestically and foreign policy-wise. The full and total attention directed towards the empire the Bush administration is so desperate to build will be what finally does us in and Roe v Wade is the most important issue on the table for you??. Prioritize, and by the way, we are killing babies, ones who are already here, the unborn ones in Iraq, in their mothers' wombs when their mothers are shot, men and women, American and Iraqi, British, Italian, etc. right now. Killing is killing is killing. It is what it is. It is not wrong in the US to kill the unborn but just fine and dandy in Iraq.
World War III....sm
With the news of Israeli conflict, Iran's missles, Iraqi War, I feared we were entering WWIII, so when I read this article today it confirmed my suspicions.
I don't know how in the world...
you turned this article which is about the major cheerleaders for the Iraq war, the neocons, into something that maligns the left. The only thing left about this article is me and the fact that I posted it on the liberal board. This article says neocons are upset. Neocons think the current administration is incompetent. Neocons regret what they have done in the past and would not do it again. None of this has anything to do with the American left or all those worldwide who thought attascking Iraq was a farce from the beginning. We have not turned on public opinion. We have been anti-war since before it started. Public opinion was very much against us in the early days of the war, in this country anyway, but some of us knew this would turn out to be the disaster it is. I myself was flabberghasted when I read what these neocons said. I never thought I would see the day Richard Perle or David Frum would have regrets and voice them to the public.
Just in your little world....
you are rather ad nauseum in your hate and bile...keep it up, you'll help her get elected....
How do you know what my world is.....
You make that assumption when in fact, you know nothing about my life. I come from a home where we were dirt poor but it was all I knew, so I didn't know we were poor. And there was no 2 of us as in your home. There was a single mom with two children. She worked a factory job where ladies there were treated horribly, making very little. We grew our own food when we could and I ate the same stuff over and over until I was sick of looking at it. But it was ours. No one said it was easy to get a job but my uneducated mother found a job and because she had no college education, she worked her butt off for very very very little. My clothes were homemade and not store bought like the girls I went to school with. She worked 2 or more jobs to have something under the tree at Christmas. She took a cheese sandwich to lunch everyday (and nothing else) and went to work burning up with a fever because as far as the boss cared, they could find somebody else to put in your place. My mother gave and gave and hasn't gotten anything financially to show for it to this day. Work is all I knew. I applied for a PELL grant to go to college (and for the poor, they can also get those, even those that aren't really considered poor can get them). I worked more than one job, went to classes, and then went to work again. I didn't know what a free ride was and never knew anything about welfare, etc. My mother NEVER took a dime from the government. I bought a piece of a junk car to get around in...seemed good enough for me, because that's all my mother had as well. You just prayed it kept running.
"we are just not buying into the mentality that we should just be lucky to have jobs and we should just work hard for our money" That is called entitlement mentality. Our community is packed full of those that feel entitled. Have another child, feel entitled. Too good to flip hambugers?, no problem, feel entitled.
"I totally disagree with you and I am not all that intereseted in what people who have money think or what their opinions are about what to do with my money." Really? Obama is rich and feels perfectly at ease telling you what to do with your money and what he wants to do with your money! That doesn't bother you? I have no problem with a social program for those unemployed who needs food/clothing/shelter until they get back on their feet. That is not what happens....it becomes a way of life for millions who get very used to not having to do anything but feel "entitled".
"I am talking about rich people who do not pay taxes and get all the tax breaks and credits while I pay higher in percentage of taxes on everything, such that I cannot even survive on what I am making now." Obama is one of those.
I don't know where you live but there are PLENTY of help for the disadvantaged in my community. Taxpayer dollars have built new low income housing, single family housing at that, to the tune of millions. While my mother still lives in a home over 100 years old, those living in a brand new home (complements of taxpayers) at a reduced price, while they are able to ride around in a brand new vehicle. They have 24 hour security protection even though I am already paying for that once by the name of local police.(I don't have private security protection). They have ellaborate wrought iron fences that surrounds their little estate that costs taxpayers to the tune of thousands and thousands (I don't have a wrought iron fence around my home). Like this is going to keep out any unsavory people. Right!! THey just drive right in.
In addition, the people who really need this are the single moms and elderly who are struggling. This type of housing takes any incentive away to do anymore than they have to to to live there. After all, just one spouse has to work so they can say they don't make anymore than they do, and this affords them free housing, food, healthcare, and free babysitter by the name of Head Start. Why isn't the other spouse working? Because they may hit that magic number by a couple of dollars that put them over the "entitlement" line. My mother's highest grossing income ever was 11,000 dollars and she NEVER took a handout. She is now of Medicare age and living paycheck to paycheck. If I offer to help her pay bills, she will not accept it. I have gone in and taken her electric bill and just went down and paid it before she knew it.
"have you ever had to decide whether to buy groceries or to pay the electric bill that is going to be shut off" You make 40K a year and can't pay your electric bill? I'm certainly not implying that's a lot of money, but sister, my mother's total for the year is $10,800 and she pays her electricity, buys her groceries, pays home insurance, pays gas bill, small phone bill all with that. And that's on top of her health care bills and medication. She has just underwent breast cancer and mastectomy and still has managed, so don't tell me you can't afford to live on 40K a year. My husband and I raised two children on less than that and he didn't want me working for a lot of those years so I could be there with the children. And there are two of you working. Mother drives around in a jalopy of a car without air conditioning and we are in the humid south. She now has watched her beautiful neighborhood turn into HUD housing (also paid for by me), loud obnoxious children who manage to walk around in Tommy Hilfiger and other such expensive clothes but their two parents can't afford to pay their own rent? Same parents have new model vehicles sitting in their front yard while mother drives around in a wreck. Nobody paying for her house.
My daughter and her husband didn't make that until just recently and they still managed to put money away for hard times just in case and good thing, he lost two jobs back to back with downsizing and mergers. They never went to a movie, ate at home every night, no newer vehicles, just what they already had.
"the republicans just seem to want to get rid of dead weight and just use people as servants" (Where have you been?) When Obama gets through taxing you to death to pay for his own "social programs", just who do you think will be dead weight. Who do you think will be servants then? How in the world could you possibly think you will be better off financially by being taxed more to pay for more garbage programs? You will then definitely be a servant....to the government!! That's what welfare states are....that's what our public education system is.....they can't turn a page in a book without the government telling them it's okay. They can't teach what needs to be taught unless the government tells them what to read, how to teach. This didn't start with Bush...it started a long time ago. Public education is completely dependent on government funds and that is what has turned all the students in them into servants. It's a reality now, not after the next election. It's been a reality for several decades now.
As far as crime is concerned, even our local police chief (who is black) said the people committing crimes are and will continue to be just plain thugs, criminals. They have no excuse. Honest hardworking people do not just start going out and committing crimes because the economy is bad. What happens is little Johnny can't get his $200 sneakers and $80 jeans anymore (which is the parent's fault in the first place), so he feels "entitled" and goes out and robs, steals, and kills for money to buy them. Those who will do those things will do them regardless. It has nothing to do with the economy.
I'm not saying it is easy but if my mother can live o less than $11,000 a year, I feel 40K a year is doable, unless for some reason you have out of control debt through no fault of your own (credit cards, expensive vehicles, luxury items, etc.). I know unexpected medical bills can put many right over the top and I understand that. My husband's medical bills due to a chronic condition is growing every day and that is a concern for us but I see people with things they want but don't need and they complain they don't have enough money. I was listenign to a cashier at WalMart the other day griping about how she just didn't know how she was going to buy her baby's Bday present, and yet, she had hair braids that cost $180 to get done (I asked her, while she went on and on about how long it took to get it done)and salon nails to the tune of $50 a pop and yet she couldn't afford her baby a birthday present?!!
How in the world
can they compare the republicans to Hitler. I do believe that McCain wants smaller government.....not bigger government. A comparison of Hitler and Obama sounds much more feasible.
Why in the world does he need one
Is he running for office too?
How in the world
can you say the economy was doing great before the Dems took control of Congress? Bush has borrowed, borrowed, borrowed and now he's borrowing even more so his cronies can take billions before he leaves office.
What in the world
is this country coming to????? For goodness sake! I did not vote for Obama, but the man is human. I was nervous. Good grief!!! He is about to take a very big step in his life with responsibility that most of us in our right minds would not take. He looked nervous and excited to me coming towards the steps, and I am sure he was very nervous when he was being sworn in. I wish you people would just grow up.
Many of you sound like high school girls - - did you see Michelle's dress.... blah, blah, blah..... Bush had an embarrassed look on his face..... blah, blah, blah.....
GROW UP!
In a PC world, you
have to be politically correct at all times. Many people are sensitive about their children with disabilities. I could see where his comment could be offensive. However, it does not personally offend me and I have an autistic son myself.
I think a lot of people need to simmer down. Yes, it was a bad joke and he probably should not have said it, but his main point was that he sucks at bowling....nothing more.
Political correctness has really hurt our country. Any time someone says anything about color, sex, or race.....certain people will jump up and scream about it. Being the president, you are under a much bigger magnifying glass.
It is my opinion that he probably shouldn't have said it....but it isn't the end of the world. However, I'm sure if this had been Bush's goof.....the liberal media and dems would all be screaming about it.
So what? Not everyone in the world wants to become
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How in the world is
this going to boost the economy? Joe Biden said yesterday that he would tell his family not to go anywhere in confined spaces like airplanes, subways, etc. The White House had to back peddle and rephrase what he said but I personally agree with Biden. You won't see me flying anywhere, etc. until I know for sure how serious this is. Less people are flying. No one is flying to Mexico. Do you know how devastating this will be to airlines, etc. if more and more people don't fly because of this? The airlines are already hurting.
Blame Mexico? It is true that this started in Mexico, but things happen. I don't hate Mexicans. I'm just tired of paying for illegal ones. I don't blame them for this flu. It could have started anywhere, etc. and as much as people travel...something like this was bound to happen some time.
I think your post sounds more like a conspiracy theory and I don't get into those. Besides, we have no vaccine for this. Money may have been given for research into a new flu vaccine but there is currently no vaccine for swine flu. So I really don't see where you get that we got a vaccine and now all of sudden....boom....everyone has the swine flu.
This is something that cannot be blamed on the current administration. I personally don't like the idea of Obama having been in Mexico with this all going on but we didn't know at the time. I personally feel that Obama has handled this swine flu thing well. He has tried to be informative yet to keep people from panicking at the same time. I personally do not feel that this is something we can hold over Obama by saying he hasn't kept us safe because the swine flu is in the US. I think that is just insane to say. Besides, the normal flu strain kills thousands of Americans each year and no one thinks a thing about that.
Why in the world would say
something like that? I know for a fact that these people take their religion very seriously. I don't think we should be making rude comments about other religions.
Why in the world would they
create such a program when common sense tells you that you have to give people more than what they paid in. Did they really think this was going to be sustainable? I'm sorry but free Viagra? I can't even get birth control covered by any health plan I've ever had and Medicare is making sure old farts can get a hard on for free.
I think if it was God' will to take him out of the world
He would have done it a lot more gentleman-like than this...heart attack at night...take him in his sleep...etc. I don't think He would have done it this way.
Of course, I cannot say what God does or doesn't do, because I'm not Him, but I just don't believe He would do it this way. I believe this was Satan's work, because it obviously hurt the pro-life movement instead of helping it. There will always be another Dr. Tiller around the corner, so killing them does not help anything, except to paint us as extremists (which we're not).
I just feel horrible for his family. I couldn't imagine losing my husband this way. It always terrifies me to think that I may not get to say goodbye.
I believe this man was wrong for what he was doing, but he didn't deserve this. I do hope they sentence the guy who did it appropriately.
Why in the world would we allow
people who aren't citizens have a say in our elections? If you want the right to vote, become a citizen....sheesh.
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