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No, you have it backwards. McCain was harping on how...sm

Posted By: oldtimer on 2008-09-13
In Reply to: Hey, it is the dems who attacked her from day one, old-timer... - sam

much experience he had and how little Obama had. When he picked Palin and said her experience was sufficient to be president is when all the republicans, and "independents" starting comparing Obama to Palin as far as what the perceive experience to be.


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excuse me, my moaning and harping
you don't know if i've ever moaned or harped. you're the one who needs to lighten up and you are rude, offensive, vulgar and should be banned
Progressives harping about camp finance reform for years.
We've heard virtually nothing out of the republican party on this issue (except resistance) until how. Why is that? Could it be because they never expected democrats to beat them at their own game?

Spare us the phoney outrage. As the law stands now, those small potatoes contributions up to $200 have not been an issue until Obama received such a landslide of them and raised more money than any other candidate in history.

You want somebody to do something about this? You will have to start at the beginning...swallow the bitter pill and enact campaign finance reform. Until then, you can raise all the questions you want to raise.

PS: Ghadafi's claims that foreign national fundraising is "legitimate" is pertinent to this argument how? Have you seen the global electoral map lately? The entire world has their eyes on this election (hoping against hope we will not elect another saber-rattler) and are entitled to have an opinion.

http://www.economist.com/Vote2008/ Take a look.
I think you have it backwards, backwards typist!
The right-wing Republicans do most of the bashing on this board. Not only do they bash Obama and anyone who supports him, they are also the ones who have posted the most despicable racial slurs and lies. Maybe you should try going forwards instead of backwards!
and besides you got it backwards

Wilson wrote that piece because the White House was trying to smear him because he wouldn't go along with their pretenses and lies....and when you go against the White House you are bound to lose.  Scooter turned out to be the fall guy for this. 


So anyway, no use trying to have a "lively debate" when your basic facts are radically different from most liberal's facts. 


BY the way, I would suggest for your own mental health that you get out in the world more.  You appear to LIVE on this board and spend the better portion of your waking hours reading posts and slamming the posters and cutting and pasting followed by more cutting and pasting.....it is mind-boggling. 


You know what backwards? sm
For months you have been sarcastic and spread false info about Obama. It's time now to stand up and admit, your choice lost. Obama did say even before the election that it would take time and maybe 10 years for the economy to turn around. Did you not hear that? I take umbrage to your snide remarks. Your sour grapes are hard to swallow I'm sure, but try to be a good American and give the HONEST MAN with NO AGENDA like OIL AND CRONYISM, a chance.

wow - didn't look backwards to me - nm
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BACKWARDS thinking?
Do a little research on McBush before you think he'll do a better job.

It's entirely IRResonsible to elect a 72-year-old bush wannabe with a half-baked right wingnut in the wings as second in line to the still most powerful office in the world.

Like war and paying for REBUILDING SOMEONE ELSE'S COUNTRY instead of your own?

THEN MCBUSH IS YOUR MAN
You've got it backwards!!
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Thanks, backwards typist

I opened my original post, and saw nothing wrong with it.  I'm not sure why it's so hard for some here to just go to wnd.com.  Another one to check out is ibd.com (Investors' Business Daily).


Incidentally, McCain isn't conservative enough for me, but I have little choice.  Sarah Palin is more my style.  Regardless of the outcome, I predict a future ticket with Sarah & Bobby Jindal, in no particular order.  Talk about a dream ticket!  In a very short time he's done wonders for New Orleans.


Yes, our country has gone backwards..
Any sick jackbutt that wants to do harm and get a gun can and always has. They don't get a license! Those of us who have the right to bear arms are the ones people like Obama want to go after. You don't hear him talking about the crime and violence, but instead those of us who want to keep our guns for our own protection. That's because he knows where most of the violence occurs and why. But you'll never hear him stand on a podium and preach that.

Just because he can have bodyguards WITH GUNS protecting his butt doesn't mean I do.

Just wait, he'll have so many criminals dumped back onto our streets it will be frightening.

This is what communist countries do...they take away any power from their people so government can dictate and run them any way they want and the people have no way to even stand up to wrongdoing, even by their own government, which has played itself over and over in this world.

Now all those O lovers can flame all they want. I really do NOT care!!!
it should be.....backwards thinking
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Backwards politicians nm
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you have it all BACKWARDS, move on!
We all know that politics is a 'dirty' business. You said it yourself.
Why do you attack Obama and not McCain. They all have skeleton in the closet, some more, some less.
Actually, we all do, don't you?

not Backwards Typist--the one above
nm
What is that BACKWARDS VOTER?
hahaha
you've got it backwards
your family may face hardships with the bailout but they are nothing compared to what will happen without saving this industry. The failure of the automotive industry will be the final straw in the total destruction of the American economy. 3.5 million being temporarily jobless, as you state, is only the tip of the iceberg. To begin with, those 3.5 million are, for the most part, not the ones responsible. they are simply working people just like you and I who also want to be able to care for their families. Put yourself in their shoes too. Secondly, and more importantly, the domino effect of this would cause millions of others to lose their jobs and benefits. Just think what happens then. Government programs will be caring for all of those people, and all of that will be coming out of YOUR pocket. That's millions of people collecting unemployment and God knows how many other businesses forced to close. And that "temporarily unemployed" statement. Where do you expect these millions of people are going to go to find work? There will be nothing temporary about it. Now factor in the crime that will result from people not being able to affording housing and food and other basic necessities for their families. Add to that the demoralizing effects of this rampant unemployment on society. You really need to look at the bigger picture.
I'm with both you and Backwards Typist on this.....sm
There's only supposed to be one president at a time, but we've had two since the first week of November.

Obama shows contempt and disrespect for the current administration and president, every time he holds a press conference or releases press regarding everything that's wrong in America and how he's going to fix it all.

Of course, he's already warned us that it's going to get worse, so he'll be able to keep blaming Bush for the next four years.




Thanks Backwards typist
It's hard to describe the feelings I have. Of course everyone wants him to do well because that would mean it would be good for our country, but DH and I have said over and over they are putting him on a pedistal (sp?), some people are coming out actually equating him with Jesus and what if he happens to do something wrong, what if he fails. Since he has not taken the office yet you can't say he won't or will fail.

It's just a very very scary time now and I for one will not be sleeping without worry. What I know is that he has promised everyone everything and now they are coming to collect. So when our "so-called" enemy countries come back with you better do what I want or else, he's going to have to do what they want. Just horribly horribly unsettling.

I want issues. Like you I come to this board to hear issues. I used to love the links people provided, but now there are some posters who just keep coming on attacking. Hopefully in a week things will settle down and we can get to business. But for now I don't see that happening.

So people who read this...issues, issues, issues. Articles (and please not the "he's like us cos he eats chile dogs and cheese fries" articles). What are his plans, what is he putting in places, what is Pelosi arguing with him about, how's it going to affect us, when is he going to give us that welfare money he promised in his campaign, when is he going to tax the companies who take jobs overseas, why has he now decided not to tax the rich like he promised during the campaign. These are the issues I want to hear. Not about people chanting his name with glee.
I saw the picture, Kaydie...the B is backwards!
The police have serious doubts about her story, as well. You are very gullible!
I have to confess to backwards typist
they are usually flimsy opinions with no fact, looking for arguments so u are right, i do nont read them.... also what I posted was for dems only so why did u read it? looking for trouble i guess huh?
Well, please, next time, if you aren't a dem and I say dems only, just skip it and we will both be happier.
Thank you.
gnah
Hiya Backwards Typist...how are you? sm
I agree with a lot of what you have posted in this thread.

Unfortunately, I really think the Obama administration will not let anyone sink...they will throw a lifeline called socialistm....we will all be owned by the government, and be paying for it for decades to come. Bush opened the door a crack, and Obama is going to prop it open, and take full advantage of the American people.

Most of them won't know what has hit them, until it's too late.



Obama has bent over backwards to
The Republicans don't care about everyday people like most of the ones who post on this board. They only care about the richest of the rich. The Republicans are obstructionists and just waste space in DC. It's time they're voted out.
That's 'cause you've got it on backwards. NM
The shapeless part goes in the front...or maybe it's the back. Scrooge it, I guess it doesn't really matter. You ain't going nowhere anyway without yo' man!
Amen! Backwards, could not agree more.nm
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by the way, backwards typist - I like hearing your viewpoint -
I am not bashing anybody - I respond sometimes to comments with my own opinions, but I respect that you have the right to yours also.

I never call anyone a liar on this board - but if I see something I think is incorrect, I will try to correct the information if I can...

Also, I agree with the issues needing to be discussed and not bashing - for example, I asked who would vote for SP in 2012 and it turned into "she's better than him" or "he did this" below. I truly wanted to know who would vote for her in the primaries.

But, I don't think it is just the dems tearing down the pubs - I am standing on the fence (neutral to party sides) and I see it going both ways...
I'm with backwards typist, Kaydie, and la difference..nm
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Totally agree with you Backwards typist
Sorry haven't been on in awhile and just saw this message. I totally agree with you. The only thing that's going to happen by taking our guns away is that we will not be able to defend ourself. The criminals will still have their weapons.

I am thankful for the NRA - was so sad when Charlton Heston got sick, but I'm glad they are there protecting our rights.
Thanks Backwards Typist - aint that the truth
Brother, talk about trying have a serious discussion. Anytime someone says something negative about what's going on currently they have to say Bush this or Bush that, when the conversation wasn't even about Bush to begin with. It's like what I heard earlier by a democrat on TV. He said if you make fun of Bush it's okay, if you make fun of Obama its not. If you make fun of Palin it's okay if you make fun of Helen Thomas or some other democrat it's not. This is getting very one-sided and it's sad to see what is happening to the country.

I still stand by my original message though that I'm sick and tired of seeing all these specials about the life and times of Obama treating him as though he founded a whole new country, when we've been around for over 200 years and have done very well before he came along.

Thanks for the support BT - knew I could you on you for some clear thinking and sanity. I ended up having to just shut it down today and it was quite frustrating having to repeat the same thing over and over, gave me a headache.
Ignore the negativity truck, there, backwards typist.
nm
Gotta give Backwards Typist credit...

for picking an appropriate name for herself.


backwards as usual, it's because BUSH DVETOED REGULATION sm
My goodness, do you not have any of the facts? I'm finished with you.

Sounds like a great idea, Backwards Typist

But gently, gently...don't want to accidentally hurt her.


(LOL...I get the idea that she'd be kickin' OUR butts instead!!!)


backwards, you didn't read the post, just the headline PAY ATTENTION
loser
You have that completely backwards, it was President Clinton's administration that had a balance
for the firs time in modern history; not only that, there was a government surplus. George came, and I think you can following the bouncing ball here....trillions of dollars in deficit left behind...talk about rewriting history!!!! I wish people would stop making ludicrous statements without one work to back it up............
Why are you McCain people so desperate? You are just like McCain. No plan. Just criticism of the
other candidate.  I guess you want the same old thing we have had for the past 8 years.  God forbid McCain win with that wild woman, Palin.
McCain
Not only will he refuse to get out of Iraq unless there is some sort of clear victory, even if it takes "100 years" or "1000 years" (his words), jokes about how to handle Iran is "Bom, bom, bom, bom, bomb Iran" (to the tune of a Beach Boys song), he also wants to kick Russia out of the G8 and not let China or India in. Way to place nice with the up-and-coming superpowers - I'm sure that will do great things for our country in years to come.

There are certain things I like about him (strict belief in Geneva Convention, willing to work across party lines), but his warmongering side scares the you-know-what out of me.
McCain's age
Whether his military uniform helps his image depends on what kind of world we want to be living in tomorrow, not the one we live in now. A lot of people will be showing up at the polls to say that status quo is not acceptable, especially when it comes to solving problems by waging wars. Concerns over his age, senility and/or Alzheimer’s are legitimate if you do the math. Those possibilities are very real and could just as easily happen early in his term as later. He has shown some early signs like his problems with word retrieval, mispronunciation, confusion, forgetting what he is saying and blank staring spells.

The teleprompter comment is also kind of a cheap shot. Besides that, it is not true, unless you believe everything you hear on Fox or YouTube. He is an excellent orator and delivered very spontaneous and inspiring responses in the town hall meetings during the primaries and in news conferences. YHe is a much better speaker than McCain.

McCain....you mean
I can't believe anyone would vote for him after what Bush just did to us for 8 years.
Well, McCain's gas in his car came from
oil from a country that supports terrorism. McCain a supporter of terrorism? You can interpret this any way you like.
if McCain gets in

that will be the tenor of the New Secretary of State.


 


Why McCain?
http://www.johnmccain.com/Undecided/WhyMcCain.htm
McCain looks

like he hurts.  It makes me uncomfortable to watch.  Obama has a significantly larger amt of data in his mind (constitutional law professor, etc) to sort through, gather, and assemble before he responds to a question.  It is to his favor that he does not immediately yelp out an answer like a trained seal. 


 


Thank you. I think McCain's age ... sm
Is what worries me so much about this situation. I mean, people die at different ages, it's true, but if McCain were 20 years younger, I don't think I'd be quite as worried. But he's 72, has had skin cancer several times, and I read (haven't verified) that both his father and grandfather died suddenly of heart attacks when they were younger than he is now. Now that might not mean anything. After all, isnt' his mother in her 90s? But it just worries me. It would be different if he wanted Palin to have a cabinet position where she could, I don't know, hone her skills, cut her teeth in Washington, so to speak, but to put her is a position of leading our country if something happens to McCain? It just makes me very nervous.
Oh, of course. McCain will get the best...sm
Healthcare. Too bad for the rest of us peons though!

Still, the best healthcare in the U.S. can't turn back time and make him young again. He is really getting up there, and the campaign must be wearing on him. I don't know how any of them can stand all the travel that comes with campaigning.

The New McCain!

The Ugly New McCain



 
Wednesday, September 17, 2008; Page


Following his loss to George W. Bush in the 2000 South Carolina primary, John McCain did something extraordinary: He confessed to lying about how he felt about the Confederate battle flag, which he actually abhorred. "I broke my promise to always tell the truth," McCain said. Now he has broken that promise so completely that the John McCain of old is unrecognizable. He has become the sort of politician he once despised.







The precise moment of McCain's abasement came, would you believe, not at some news conference or on one of the Sunday shows but on "The View," the daytime TV show created by Barbara Walters. Last week, one of the co-hosts, Joy Behar, took McCain to task for some of the ads his campaign has been running. One deliberately mischaracterized what Barack Obama had said about putting lipstick on a pig -- an Americanism that McCain himself has used. The other asserted that Obama supported teaching sex education to kindergarteners.


"We know that those two ads are untrue," Behar said. "They are lies."



 

Freeze. Close in on McCain. This was the moment. He has largely been avoiding the press. The Straight Talk Express is now just a brand, an ad slogan like "Home Cooking" or "We Will Not Be Undersold." Until then, it was possible for McCain to say that he had not really known about the ads, that the formulation "I approve this message" was just boilerplate. But he didn't.


"Actually, they are not lies," he said.


Actually, they are.


McCain has turned ugly. His dishonesty would be unacceptable in any politician, but McCain has always set his own bar higher than most. He has contempt for most of his colleagues for that very reason: They lie. He tells the truth. He internalizes the code of the McCains -- his grandfather, his father: both admirals of the shining sea. He serves his country differently, that's all -- but just as honorably. No more, though.


I am one of the journalists accused over the years of being in the tank for McCain. Guilty. Those doing the accusing usually attributed my feelings to McCain being accessible. This is the journalist-as-puppy school of thought: Give us a treat, and we will leap into a politician's lap.


Not so. What impressed me most about McCain was the effect he had on his audiences, particularly young people. When he talked about service to a cause greater than oneself, he struck a chord. He expressed his message in words, but he packaged it in the McCain story -- that man, beaten to a pulp, who chose honor over freedom. This had nothing to do with access. It had to do with integrity.


McCain has soiled all that. His opportunistic and irresponsible choice of Sarah Palin as his political heir -- the person in whose hands he would leave the country -- is a form of personal treason, a betrayal of all he once stood for. Palin, no matter what her other attributes, is shockingly unprepared to become president. McCain knows that. He means to win, which is all right; he means to win at all costs, which is not.


At a forum last week at Columbia University, McCain said, "But right now we have to restore trust and confidence in government." This was always the promise of John McCain, the single best reason to vote for him. America has been cheated on too many times -- the lies of Vietnam and Watergate and Iraq. So many lies. Who believes that in Afghanistan last month, only five civilians were killed by the American military in an airstrike, instead of the approximately 90 claimed by the Afghan government? Not me. I first gave up on the military during Vietnam and then again when it covered up the death of Pat Tillman, the Army Ranger and former NFL player who was killed in 2004 by friendly fire.


McCain was going to fix all that. He was going to look the American people in the eyes and say, not me. I will not lie to you. I am John McCain, son and grandson of admirals. I tell the truth.


But Joy Behar knew better. And so McCain lied about his lying and maybe thinks that if he wins the election, he can -- as he did in South Carolina -- renounce who he was and what he did and resume his old persona. It won't work. Karl Marx got one thing right -- what he said about history repeating itself. Once is tragedy, a second time is farce. John McCain is both.


cohenr@washpost.com


or like when McCain said . . .
Obama called her a pig and then on Monday said he didn't
it has to do with McCain and

Bush systematically deregulating  (savings and loans - Keating 5) and wall street so that the souless corporations can do whatever they want without any limits.  they have removed the safety factors built into the system after the great depression. Well, now we have the situation that deregulation brings.  As Romney said at this years' repub convention - McCain is going to go at all the regulations on industry with a weed wacker. 


 


McCain
Respecting his service to his country is one thing.  He is only one of thousands who have done the same thing. or worse, died for their country, and are just as deserving of being honored as McCain.  Trusting him to lead this country is another thing entirely.
Seeing as McCain may not . . .
live out his term, she is running for the top spot.
Does McCain even know what he is saying.

Maybe he had better hit the beach with the flip-flops.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c


 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioy90nF2anI&feature=PlayList&p=2F671A7FEF92B36B&index=3


 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK_9sI7hzAc&feature=PlayList&p=2F671A7FEF92B36B&index=10


 


 


He said, he said. I believe what McCain said,
you believe what Obama said. McCain said he told Obama he was going to suspend his campaign and when Obama spoke just now he stated the same thing, only says "I didn't know he meant it now" or some such. I don't buy that. He just didn't think McCain was serious. Turns out he was.