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Not hypocrisy, just facts.

Posted By: sweetpea on 2008-11-03
In Reply to: WHAT? - MTQA

And yes, I do aspire to maybe some day be on that higher road with Gourdpainter, but right now I am too outraged by people like sam and her followers that have fed the fires of intolerance and diviseness.  Besides, this message was for Gourdpainter, not for you!.  Leave it up to you people to take the opportunity to attack anything and everything just because you're sucking on those sour grapes!


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Exactly, it's the hypocrisy!

HYPOCRISY

THE GOP'S FILIBUSTER HYPOCRISY



by: Robert Parry, Consortium News


Though seemingly forgotten by most TV talking heads, it was only three years ago, when the Republicans had control of both the White House and Congress - and "filibuster" was a dirty word.

    It was usually coupled with "obstructionist" amid demands that any of George W. Bush's proposals deserved "an up-or-down vote."


    Yet now, with the Democrats holding the White House and Congress, the Republicans and the Washington press corps have come to view the filibuster fondly, as a valued American tradition, a time-honored part of a healthy legislative process.


    Today, it's seen as a good thing that Democrats must muster 60 votes in the Senate to pass almost anything.


    When the TV pundits talk about Barack Obama's economic stimulus plan squeaking through the Senate, they're actually referring to a vote that might fall in the range of 60 or more yes votes to perhaps 38 no's, a three-touchdown "squeaker."


    The only thing close about the vote is whether the package can overcome a Republican filibuster and get 60 votes for "cloture." To reach this super-majority, Democrats have been forced to accept a higher percentage of tax cuts, even if leading economists consider tax cuts one of the least effective ways of stimulating the moribund economy.


    Yet, this anti-democratic fact about the GOP strategy - that it seeks to frustrate the will of the American majority, which rejected the Republicans and their policies in the last two U.S. elections - is rarely mentioned in the news.


    Nor is the fact that Republicans railed against even a hint of a filibuster when the Democrats were in the minority just a few years ago.


    Back then, when the Republicans controlled everything, the big story was how a threatened Democratic filibuster against, say, one of Bush's right-wing judicial nominations would be met by the Republican "nuclear option" - using a majority-vote on a rule change to eliminate the filibuster permanently.


    For instance, in 2006, when Bush wanted to put Samuel Alito on the U.S. Supreme Court, the move amounted to a direct threat to the Republic. Alito was a staunch believer in the imperial presidency, a promoter of a "unitary executive" who would wield unlimited powers at a time of war - and the "war on terror" promised to be an endless war.


    If confirmed, Alito would join three other justices - John Roberts, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas - who shared his extreme views, and possibly another, Anthony Kennedy, who was considered only slightly more moderate.


    In effect, the Alito nomination raised the specter of five right-wing justices effectively gutting the U.S. Constitution and its checks and balances in favor of Bush's personal rule.


    The Republic in the Balance


    With the future of the American Republic in the balance and Bush short of 60 votes in favor of Alito, a filibuster could have stopped this radical nomination in its tracks and could have forced Bush to select a less extreme nominee.


    Many in the Democratic "base" urged Senate Democrats to use the filibuster at this critical moment - a time when Bush was viewing himself as a new-age monarch and his political aides were fantasizing about a "permanent Republican majority," transforming the United States into a virtual one-party state with the Democrats kept around as a cosmetic appendage.


    As this drama played out, the Washington news media weighed in heavily against a Democratic filibuster, essentially repeating Republican talking points about the need to give the President's nominee an up-or-down vote and bemoaning the anti-democratic nature of the filibuster.


    Republican leaders thundered that any use of the filibuster against Alito or other Bush judicial nominees would force them to go "nuclear" by outlawing filibusters forever. Then, the Republicans could ram through whomever - or whatever - they wanted.


    Rather than call the Republicans' bluff, "moderate" Democratic senators joined a bipartisan group called the "Gang of 14," which agreed to forego filibusters except in "extraordinary circumstances." And despite the alarm of many Americans about Bush's moves to eradicate the Republic, this "gang" did not believe Alito's confirmation reached the "extraordinary" standard.


    So, when a few Democratic senators led by Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts tried to mount a filibuster, the Senate Democratic leadership refused to put up a fight, even as their former standard bearer was mocked by Republicans as a "Swiss Miss" for first urging the filibuster while he was attending an economic conference in Davos, Switzerland.


    Presidential spokesman Scott McClellan piled on Kerry at a White House press briefing. "I think even for a senator, it takes some pretty serious yodeling to call for a filibuster from a five-star ski resort in the Swiss Alps," McClellan laughed.


    In support of his filibuster, Kerry could line up only 25 votes, while the Republicans amassed 72 votes for cloture - a dozen more than the 60 needed to shut off debate. Those votes included 19 Democrats.


    On the final confirmation vote, however, Alito was approved by a much smaller margin, 58-42, meaning that he could have been kept off the Supreme Court if all those who considered him a poor choice had backed the filibuster.


    [As for the fate of the Supreme Court, Justice Kennedy turned out to be less of an extremist than some Republicans had hoped. He joined with more moderate justices in key 5-to-4 opinions that rebuffed President Bush's assertions of unlimited powers.]


    Reversing Majorities


    Despite the timidity of Senate Democrats in the Alito battle, an energized Democratic "base" - joined by Republican constitutionalists - fought on against the "permanent-Republican-majority" dreams of Bush, Karl Rove and the neoconservatives. In November 2006, the Republicans were repudiated at the polls.


    Suddenly in the congressional minority, the Republicans did a flip-flop on the filibuster, discovering the high principles behind the tactic. The GOP used the filibuster routinely in 2007 and 2008 to block Democratic initiatives, especially any challenges to Bush's expansive claims of executive authority.


    Typical of the modern Washington press corps, its leading voices changed, too, joining the Republican chorus hailing the filibuster as an honored tradition of democracy and finding value in the need for the Democrats to muster 60 Senate votes to pass any significant bill.


    Today, the press corps continues in that pattern, forgetting the GOP's earlier contempt for the filibuster and treating its use by the Republican minority against the stimulus bill as normal.


    There are rarely any comments about obstructionism, nor are the Republicans compared to the Southern segregationists who famously used the filibuster to resist civil rights laws in the 1950s and 1960s.


    Given this pass by the press, Republicans are making the filibuster their chief weapon in pressuring Obama and congressional Democratic to accept more of a Republican-style stimulus bill with less spending and more tax cuts, regardless of whether that represents the best hope for the U.S. economy.


    But the stimulus battle is likely to be only the first taste of the GOP strategy to hobble the Obama presidency. The Republicans can be expected to use the filibuster again and again to prevent many of the social and economic changes that the American voters endorsed in November 2008, policies like national health insurance and spending on long-neglected domestic needs.


    In this obstructionism, the Republicans appear to have a powerful ally in the Washington press corps that - with few exceptions - treats the GOP's promiscuous use of filibusters as some responsible application of a time-honored tradition. The press also forgets to remind the U.S. public that just a few years ago, the Republicans hated filibusters.


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Hypocrisy?

Congressional Budget Increased to pay GOP Staffers



February 25, 2009 12:04 PM


A ten percent increase in the budget for Congressional operations was needed because Senate Republicans wanted to retain previous staff levels despite having lost roughly 20 percent of their ranks in the 2008 elections, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) said Wednesday.


Congressional Republicans have been pouncing on any instance of wasteful spending they can find, but the congressional-operations line item will likely remain safe from their ire.


The one-tenth hike brings the budget for Congress itself to $4.4 billion.


Reid, asked about the increase at a press conference, initially dodged the question, speaking instead about spending in general.


The unsatisfied reporter repeated the question about a ten percent raise for the congressional budget. "How is that going to help get out of the depression?" she pressed.


Don't blame us, said Reid.


"We had a situation -- you should direct that question to Senator McConnell," he said, referring to the Senate Minority Leader, "because we had trouble organizing this year. He wanted to maintain a lot of their staffing even though they had lost huge numbers. And the only way we could get it done is to do what we did. So you should direct that question to Senator McConnell."


A McConnell spokesman didn't immediately return a phone call.


UPDATE: A GOP leadership aide is calling rubbish: "I just don't know how they can get away with blaming us for that 10 percent figure," he writes in an e-mail. "Republicans aren't getting a dime more in committee money for staff than we got last year. The entire pot of funding used to operate Senate committees and other 'inquiries and investigations' is around 3 percent of the total ($137 million of $4.4 billion). And the increase from last year's funding for the 'inquiries and investigations' account is less than 2/10ths of 1 percent of the entire bill."


He adds: "For perspective: all Senate operations funding increased 7 percent, the House funding increased 7.5 percent and the Architect of the Capitol funding increased 28 percent."


UPDATE II: A Democratic leadership aide picks up on the notion that "Republicans aren't getting a dime more," noting that while they aren't getting more, they aren't getting less, either, even though they have far fewer members.


"This would be funny if it wasn't from someone associated with the the so-called party of fiscal responsibility," writes the aide. "This is the height of hypocrisy and utterly fails to acknowledge the fact that in the past, when the spread has been like it is now, the minority party gets far less money than what they eventually got. It was an unprecedented deal that is more outrageous when you realize that they will end up voting against the bill."


Hypocrisy...........sm
Yet the government has the audacity to demand proper accounting of the auto makers, banks, etc., when it doesn't know a debit from a credit.


Hypocrisy, you say? sm
Have you never said that you would not do something and then find yourself in the position where you would have to choose between that something and something far worse? I sure hope not, because I have and it is not a pleasant place to be.

I'm not going to argue the point further, but I would like to say I think it must be wonderful for you and the others who would nail Ms. Palin to the barn door that you live such perfect and blameless lives that you can judge her for her deeds.
Do you really not see the hypocrisy?
The Christian bible also has this fun little book in it called Revelations where it includes a happy little tale about Armageddon where all the right-thinking believers get to rule the earth while the the non-believers meet their doom in a battle royale.

Just to clarify...were you educated in an Islamic school? Or do Christian schools teach that it's okay to hate and condemn groups of people, too?
Facts are facts - sorry you don't like it cos it doesn't support your candidate
You can't change facts. That's what makes them facts. You may not like it but that's the way it is.


I can't believe what I'm seeing...the HYPOCRISY is astounding....sm
If a democrat gets in in 2008, they'll be crying again for an exit strategy. True partisanship; they ride whatever wave that's in.
Agree about the hypocrisy going on.
Are you rich and make more than 250K a year?  Are you happy with the way the pubs have used their power for the last 8 years?  Do you know that if JM gets to be prez he will tax your healthcare benefits as part of your income, whatever amount your employer pays towards your healthcare benefits will be counted as part of your income, and that he will give you 5K to pay for health insurance when health insurance costs the average family 14K a year?  Good luck in finding health insurance with $5,000.  The policies of both candidates are listed on their websites. There is stark contrast between the two.
Yes, hypocrisy is breathtaking, but that's
No contest to the concept that children are off limits. But in the aftermath of all that mind numbing controversy, something else was taken off the debate table. Any voter who dares to bring policies on family values, sex education, access to birth control, abstinence and abortion prevention up for inspection will now be portrayed as a child abuser. This not only gives SP and party a distinct head start in the race away from debate on that part of their platform, but it also allows her to now trot them out to olster hone her hockey mom, superwoman, I can have it all and do it all well pitch, all the while, so far, not articlating a single issue or policy.
That's no hypocrisy, its truth (sm)

Look at the previous posts from pubs.  Key words include marxist, communist, socialist, illegal alien, Muslim (like that's a bad word), anti-American, terrorist, and the list goes on.  So, according to your standards, pointing this out is a smear tactic?  At least the McCain campaign actually knows what a smear tactic is.


Your opinion, so you see it as hypocrisy.
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The ultimate hypocrisy coming from you! nm

The hypocrisy is mind baffling...sm
In the very same week that they come out criticizing the Clinton administration for the VERY same thing. They have a clear shot on 150 Taliban militants and do what - nothing.

Newt Gingrich even said this is equivocal to figthing a part-time war.
Abuse of power/hypocrisy seems to be
What is clear is that, slimy or not, she still used her office in an inappropriate manner to influence the outcome of a family dispute. What's ethical about that? The slimy trooper and the disposition of his divorce/custody case is supposed to be left up to the family courts and it not typically resolved by manipulation and interference by the Governor's office, now is it? Ethically challenged ethics clean-up maiden. Not my idea of a great pick.
Assessing sincerity vs hypocrisy of
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Not deflecting....just showing your hypocrisy.
Acceptable in a Democrat, does not affect his ability to be President...but a Republican is a poon dog.

Takes the air out of the criticism somewhat doncha think?
Hypocrisy is aplogizing and blaming someone else
Voters are tired...real tired...of this party's double speak.
You know, I hate hypocrisy. You want to direct me
back to God's Word?

When you can show me in God's Word where He approves of what Osambo approves, then we can talk.

Let's talk abortion, gay marriage, taxes, lying, cheating, subversion of government, indoctrination of preschoolers, redefining marriage, etc., a whole litany of what Osambo stands for and compare it to God Almighty's Word.

I warn you in advance. You are up against an adversary you do not want to tackle with because you are ill prepared to defend your comments and beliefs in the light of Scripture.

Ready to go for it, old girl?

Let's talk about the Clinton family hypocrisy on...
law enforcement, and then the Kennedy family hypocrisy on law enforcement...if we are going to talk about ANY family and law enforcement in politics...shall we??
And the word is hypocrisy, thanks for proving my point!
Making a generalized statement about the tremendous crowds that Obama draws being moochers is really about the most pathetic, ridiculous thing I have ever heard.  You make me laugh!!
Typical Republicant hypocrisy. Ya gotta love it!

He questions "whether encouraging homemakers to become lawyers contributes to the common good," and then he turns around and marries a LAWYER!


This isn't surprising to me at all.  Bush's is doing nothing but taking us backwards in time, whether it regards science or civil rights.  The only area that is moving forward by leaps and bounds and progressing at an alarming rate is the price of gasoline.


Facts are facts. No bash intended.
It will be this stellar record from which voters will be assessing her and her running mate.
If you're offended, too bad. Facts are facts...
I know Muslims in this country who have turned from the hateful evil beliefs that were forced down their throats. They did not have the freedom to learn anything else growing up. But after they gained their freedom and came here, they were able to receive the Word of God and they have told me that NEVER were they taught anything about loving others, just other Muslims, and that the God they learned about spoke of nothing but killing and hate... so if Obama is receiving large donations from those middle eastern countries, as you say, and he is grounded in Muslim culture, being taught this in school for years as a child, do you honestly think he doesn't carry some of those beliefs with him? He's never denounced it.

Here ya go.........

http://bibleprobe.com/muhammad.htm
stating facts folks, just the facts....if it's getting
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Folks want facts, you give'm facts and still
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This poster wants facts, facts, facts...
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Poster wants facts, facts, facts.....
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Excellent post!!!! The hypocrisy is astounding...Very good info! nm


When you can't fight facts for facts
then it's buh-bye....well buh-bye to you too....I'll have a dicussion with someone who will discuss and not blame.
When you can't fight facts for facts then it's buh-bye.

Facts, stick to the facts...sm
The subject here is the media and their treatment of Gov. Palin, which continues to this day, to this minute, by the liberal left.

Tthe media threw down their gauntlet as soon as she was picked on that Friday, and hounded her for almost a full week.

And you think she should have waved a white flag at them in her acceptance speech? She put them on notice, that she is above them. And continues to be, with grace and style.

She's not whining, and neither are we.

I just shake my head at your audacity.

The media is the one that started this with her, and you would do well to remember the facts in her case.




IN this case, the facts are the facts.........
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You don't have any facts. HELLO???!!!!! NM

You don't have any facts! sm
Are you actually saying you know more than those doing the investigation?   My, you are a powerful person!  Will we be seeing your name soon in the headlines as "she who knows all" heading the investigation?  Share your knowledge!  Inquiring minds want to know!
Oh I'd like to see what facts you have
to back that one up.
My facts came from....
the Summary of Ferderal Individual Income Tax Data and yours came from some self-proclaimed non-partisan watchdog group.  Tell me who I am going to believe?


Facts
Thanks for the FACTS.
Facts
We know for a fact that the person impersonating Stephen Crockett is not actually Stephen Crockett and we know for a FACT that people who have been trolling the conservative board for the past week spouting profanity, vile innuendos also posts on the L-board under different monikers. This person's posts has been turned into the FBI for their implied threats on the president, so this is serious. This is no longer a game, so if you truly are not the one posting under several different monikers on the C-board then you have nothing to worry about. However, somebody here does have something to worry about.

And oh, BTW, I am not Nan, Brunson, or any of the usual suspects you might think.
Some more facts

http://www.ipcc.ch/about/procd.htm


Above is the web site for IPCC, everything you ever wanted to know which is not much if you are a nonbeliever. They have been around since 1988 and include the World Meteorology Organization among others. It is a worldwide, inclusive organization with contributors from just about everywhere.


I don't know how global warming is seen as a step towards socialism, quite a stretch. All we want is for people to act more responsibly towards the earth we all share. Alternative fuels have been around since pre WWII. We know how to do it. We just don't and again, it's all about money all the time. What is wrong with using alternative sources of energy, it hardly makes one a socialist. If we used natural oils, say corn oil for cars.. the farmers who have suffered financial losses and loss of family farms would be back in business. Somebody would have to grow all that corn. Then it would have to be refined. Then, automobiles would have to be converted to be able to run on oil. All the automobile workers who have been laid off (13,000 Chrysler over the next 3 years - another one bites the dust) could work again. Cars would need to be built differently and the existing cars would need to be converted. Seems like the whole thing would be putting a lot of Americans to work. Whether you believe in global warming or not how could implementing these changes be harmful or turn us all into socialists. Its a good thing.


whose facts? Yours? Or the ones fed to you?

it's your choice......that's for sure....


 



The Facts
Obama's father was raised Muslim but not a radical Muslim and was NOT a practicing Muslim when he met and married Obama's mother. Obama's parents split, and his mother married an Indonesian oil manager, and they moved to Jakarta, Indonesia. Obama attended various schools in Indonesia for 4 to 5 years, including a Catholic. The only way any school he attended could be called Muslim is that most of the students who attended this school were from Muslim families, as Indonesia is primarily a Muslim country. He received a few hours of religious instruction per week in these schools. Obama's mother then sent him back to the U.S. to live with his grandmother. Obama has been a member of the United Church of Christ since the ྌs. Obama never received any indoctrination from his father, as his father was absent from his life since the age of 2. Obama was sworn into office with a Bible.

Get your information from somewhere else than false, inflammatory mass emails.
What facts do you need? sm
This is the whole article so a link won't do you much better. It was an AP article. The article was not complete rhetoric.

Yes, both sides do have problems. I am not disputing that at all. I'm just trying to prove again that you can't take everything at face value, politicians like to twist things and take snippets out if it is to their benefit. Notice, I said politicians - as in the whole species, not just Dem or Rep.
That's because you don't want facts and won't look for

.


Know your FACTS first
I am not afraid of a black man raised by a white family or a black family or any other family. Interesting post as you do not know my ethnicity but jump with in with your own assumption. What I am afraid of is ANY racism because I do believe in equality.
They are facts
that can be verified.
Facts
Perhaps if you stopped rah-rahing the Republicans and bad-mouthing the Democrats you could see the facts and realize that both parties and all 4 candidates are as crooked as a barrel of snakes. Both sides are to blame for this mess!
facts about him

It sounds to me as though you may be afraid of the truth.  I'd love to hear that you watched it and then come back here and continue giving him a free pass.


It already changed many voters' minds.


This is what happens when you have no facts
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FACTS, FACTS, FACTS, FACTS, FACTS
Biden Has Served As Obama's Top Foreign Policy Critic, Even Saying Obama Is Not Ready To Be President:

Biden Said Obama Is Not Ready To Serve As President. ABC's George Stephanopoulos: "You were asked is he ready. You said 'I think he can be ready, but right now I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training.'" Sen. Biden: "I think that I stand by the statement." (ABC's, "This Week," 8/19/07)

Biden: "If the Democrats think we're going to be able to nominate someone who can win without that person being able to table unimpeachable credentials on national security and foreign policy, I think we're making a tragic mistake..." (Sen. Joe Biden, "The Diane Rehm Show," 8/2/07)

Biden: "Having Talking Points On Foreign Policy Doesn't Get You There." ("Biden Lashes Out At Obama," ABC News' "Political Radar" Blog, blogs.abcnews.com, 8/2/07)

Biden Attacked Obama For Voting Against Funding U.S. Troops In Iraq And Afghanistan, Accusing Him Of "Cutting Off Support That Will Save The Lives Of Thousands Of American Troops." Biden: "And, look, Tim, if you tell me I've got to take away this protection for these kids in order to win the election, some things aren't worth it. Some things are worth losing over. That would be worth losing over. Hundreds of lives are being saved and will be saved by us sending these vehicles over which we are funding with this supplemental legislation. And I want to ask any of my other colleagues, would they, in fact, vote to cut off the money for those troops to protect them? That's the right question. This isn't cutting off the war. This is cutting off support that will save the lives of thousands of American troops." (NBC's "Meet The Press," 9/9/07)

Biden On Obama's Leadership On Iraq: "I Don't Recall Hearing A Word From Barack About A Plan Or A Tactic." (Jason Horowitz, "Biden Unbound: Lays Into Clinton, Obama, Edwards," The New York Observer, 2/4/07)

Biden On Whether He Would Meet Unconditionally With The Leaders Of Rogue States As Obama Said He Would: "Absolutely Positively No." Biden: "Would I make a blanket commitment to meet unconditionally with the leaders of each of those countries within the first year I was elected president? Absolutely positively no." (Sen. Joe Biden, Remarks At The National Press Club, Washington, DC, 8/1/07)

I realize it is painful to read but PROOF nonetheless.


I don't think you have your facts exactly right.
Even McDonalds pays better than minimum wage.